TUBO evic/dual
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i think you are right, it could be triggering a failsafe mode. but i havent had time to dig into this algorithm, i need to write it out on paper to understand it properly if at all.
just to say this, i have 8 samsung 30Qs in rotation and havent seen this problem in a month or so and when, a reinsert of the battery solved everything for good. as i said its rare and random for me, and i use the same tubos regularly. weird. but it seems like the latest 30Qs i sent out were of inferior quality...they are from the same place as mine but a different amount.
its unfortunately unlikely something you can change in the settings yourself. yes i have seen it reduce to random amounts of watts possible. your experience sounds pretty uncool, i havent experienced this issue in that gravity.
i see. bowls is a relative size especially between the project and milaana/tubo id say. maybe we should compare amount of material
maybe someone can compare who has all of them. but what i meant was that i dont think the battery life would be extended on the tubo by reducing watts or the other way round i think it would not get limited by going 70watts on the project.well you are right, its not much for me to do, maybe ill add another profile in the future. id like to keep the interaction with the menu to a minimum or none at all. the tubo is preset with everything ready to rumble, the advanced user can enter the menu tho.
the three borotubes in the tubo are most likely the reason for the increased inertia of the tubo and maybe also the reason for the loss of energy to the system.
the tests i have seen (and you likely as well) feature a continuous discharge, that is not what is happening in the tubo. neither are we drawing 70 watts all the time, nor do we re-trigger the button constantly until the battery is dead. even if the chip overheats first and prevents this scenario. also it sits right behind the battery and shuts off at 70degC. my batteries only got really warm during my tests, not hot, 57degC with the IR-gun.
while the batteries you recommend should run cooler in the tubo. why so much head room? 30Q/VTC6/HG2 are capable of this application without overheating with head room if you consider the pulse rating and that we are not continuously drawing 70watts. also the ones you recommend are apparently not the healing for the heating issue.
for me there is no risk in using the batteries i recommend and therefore no reason to reduce battery life (capacity) by recommending the ones you named. and its not like you have to send the device in when your battery gets symptoms of age/heavy use.
Prolusio
Well-Known Member
Maybe I'm misunderstanding but are you saying you're using the Tubo firmware on your personal mod with other atomizers/the Project? If so; That's interesting, what benefits does that provide?
Just wanted to clarify my Tubo doesn't typically operate at or near 17A, that's just the absolute maximum I've witnessed it draw. I've only seen that high on my display for a brief moment during cold start heat up, typically the highest I see is ~16A which also drops off very quickly.. Just for accuracy it did technically reach 17A.
My Tubo is already operating under 40W normally during use so I personally don't feel the need to use a lower W profile. Especially with the informative points @funkyjunky raises and my abundance of batteries..But I'd be interested to hear if anyone does make or use one that functions well!
A "power saving" profile could be really handy for taking the Tubo out and about.. Maybe a "weak battery" mode, with a less demanding heater setting to squeeze some work out of those fake/weaker batteries? Dunno if that's possible/adviseable or not..But I love the idea of my Tubo getting more features, based on community input, with a relatively simple update! Another great Pro for the Tubo IMO.
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I also use HG2, they've been working fine for me so far!
happy 420!
first some fuel for the discussion with @KeroZen and other interested ones:
these three draws are high draw rate from completly cold(21gedC). the first draw is using a lot of energy during the whole draw, heatup of the tubes/bowl/material, pid overshoots. from the second on and on you can see that the heater is only briefly operating at full power.
up next, an aggressive preheat at 260C, NO draw for 25 seconds, followed by a fast draw at 220C.
ok, now to the exiting news.... its....a.....power adapter
yeah its big. its a proprietary power supply, namely RSP-200-4. and the wires are heavy gauge speaker cables, a bit stiff, but ok. they are necessary to avoid a big voltage drop over the length at such low voltage.
design of the tubo connector will be a little different for the final version, less prototypy.
i am really happy with it and the wire length is enough to place the box on the floor, behind the monitor or in plain sight it will be ready soon. we need to figure out shipping, as this is a bit heavy, maybe some could purchase the psu themselves and mount it into the wooden box provided by me, to save costs.
and maybe you have seen it, the white tubo, first of its kind, made from mdf wood. available as a wood choice as well.
hf everyone!
first some fuel for the discussion with @KeroZen and other interested ones:
these three draws are high draw rate from completly cold(21gedC). the first draw is using a lot of energy during the whole draw, heatup of the tubes/bowl/material, pid overshoots. from the second on and on you can see that the heater is only briefly operating at full power.
up next, an aggressive preheat at 260C, NO draw for 25 seconds, followed by a fast draw at 220C.
ok, now to the exiting news.... its....a.....power adapter
yeah its big. its a proprietary power supply, namely RSP-200-4. and the wires are heavy gauge speaker cables, a bit stiff, but ok. they are necessary to avoid a big voltage drop over the length at such low voltage.
design of the tubo connector will be a little different for the final version, less prototypy.
i am really happy with it and the wire length is enough to place the box on the floor, behind the monitor or in plain sight
it will be ready soon. we need to figure out shipping, as this is a bit heavy, maybe some could purchase the psu themselves and mount it into the wooden box provided by me, to save costs.and maybe you have seen it, the white tubo, first of its kind, made from mdf wood. available as a wood choice as well.
hf everyone!
Abysmal Vapor
Supersniffer 2000 - robot fart detection device
Happy 420 FJ ! Powerbank looks great ,i love it ! The design and all<3 ,for sure a great accessory addition the already great vaporizer,IMO its a must have for any HC user like mehappy 420!
ok, now to the exiting news.... its....a.....power adapter
yeah its big. its a proprietary power supply, namely RSP-200-4. and the wires are heavy gauge speaker cables, a bit stiff, but ok. they are necessary to avoid a big voltage drop over the length at such low voltage.
design of the tubo connector will be a little different for the final version, less prototypy.
i am really happy with it and the wire length is enough to place the box on the floor, behind the monitor or in plain sight
and maybe you have seen it, the white tubo, first of its kind, made from mdf wood. available as a wood choice as well.
hf everyone!
) !Currently ripping the tubo with some herb in the cap with a drop of concentrate and it fogs it up all white at 220 C
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Prolusio
Well-Known Member
I'd be down for a "DIY" kit. I quickly googled that power supply and it seems to be pretty easy to find in my area, looks like I can get it shipped to me for $8 from Mouser.
justvapin
Enthusiastic Cannabis Consumer
Just wanted to say that I really like this vape. Hits VERY hard. It has completely exceeded my expectations.
I can't believe the vapor production. NO HOT SPOTS or CHARRING. Complete extraction.
Tasty vapor. Lung busting hits. Low heat or high. Dead simple to use. Even a caveman could do it.
Happy 4/20 everyone.
I can't believe the vapor production. NO HOT SPOTS or CHARRING. Complete extraction.
Tasty vapor. Lung busting hits. Low heat or high. Dead simple to use. Even a caveman could do it.
Happy 4/20 everyone.
Abysmal Vapor
Supersniffer 2000 - robot fart detection device
Amen brother !
) Glad you are enjoying your tubo too ! I just tried to do a video and show off the thick vapor clouds i am getting, but my camera battery went off without me knowing and i did a full bowl session thinkin i am on rec and now i am out of my mind ,my fingers are trembling ,i will need a couple of hours till i get operational and shoot another session .I dont know if i will be saving anything on shipping since i am in the EU but i found this supply for 35 euro in a led store nearby,i guess those are pretty easy to find.
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muunch
hotboxing the cockpit
Words of wisdom I received from @Lookatmeglow in reference to optimal use of the GonG
"Put it on 480 and pull as hard as I can"
Just tried this with a fresh bowl and oh man....
"Put it on 480 and pull as hard as I can"
Just tried this with a fresh bowl and oh man....
Shit Snacks
Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
Anyone else on the west coast that received their Tubo? How long did it take?
Supposedly average time to the states via economy has been around 12 days and mine was sent March 30th, yet now its been over 20 days and still no package in the mail...
I hate to be one of those guys posting about shipping waits, but here we are lol
Supposedly average time to the states via economy has been around 12 days and mine was sent March 30th, yet now its been over 20 days and still no package in the mail...
I hate to be one of those guys posting about shipping waits, but here we are lol
RelaxedNow
Well-Known Member
I'm near Seattle. I paid for priority shipping, and it took 12 days. I have no idea what is normal.
little maggie
Well-Known Member
happy 420!
first some fuel for the discussion with @KeroZen and other interested ones:
these three draws are high draw rate from completly cold(21gedC). the first draw is using a lot of energy during the whole draw, heatup of the tubes/bowl/material, pid overshoots. from the second on and on you can see that the heater is only briefly operating at full power.
up next, an aggressive preheat at 260C, NO draw for 25 seconds, followed by a fast draw at 220C.
ok, now to the exiting news.... its....a.....power adapter
yeah its big. its a proprietary power supply, namely RSP-200-4. and the wires are heavy gauge speaker cables, a bit stiff, but ok. they are necessary to avoid a big voltage drop over the length at such low voltage.
design of the tubo connector will be a little different for the final version, less prototypy.
i am really happy with it and the wire length is enough to place the box on the floor, behind the monitor or in plain sight
and maybe you have seen it, the white tubo, first of its kind, made from mdf wood. available as a wood choice as well.
hf everyone!
I am not a DIY person but if you market one I will buy.
I have a quetion for you. What do you see or want as the future for the tubo? Are you planning on expanding or moving on to creating more and different equipment?
cool, yeah i would offer both, a complete use-out-of-the-box solution and a diy one (connecting the wires and closing the box mainly, no soldering or magic tricks).
my focus is the unit tho, maybe another model in the future.
making a power adapter for it seemed like the next logical step, doing a big battery pack seems also very interesting. and the no-button-press-hands-free software will in my opinion open up a more chill way to use it, for example with a longer whip, or bubbler/whip combo like in my videos.
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good question! this project has evolved mostly as we go and i like this fact a lot! i like to think that i am flexible, lets continue this!
my focus is the unit tho, maybe another model in the future.making a power adapter for it seemed like the next logical step, doing a big battery pack seems also very interesting. and the no-button-press-hands-free software will in my opinion open up a more chill way to use it, for example with a longer whip, or bubbler/whip combo like in my videos.
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Abysmal Vapor
Supersniffer 2000 - robot fart detection device
... I just played Flappy Bird or something It is nothing special you just control the height of the bird by pulsing the button,but woaahhh, lets make a flappy bird High score contest .This is the first vaporizer that i encounter that offers to play an arcade game after you are done with your session ...
vapen00b
Many vapes & accessories. Always happy to help
Lol Anyone noticed there is a Game in the options menu
Heheheh.. Yeah, that's a nice bonus.
To be honest, I was already excited to see that you recaptured your mega hit session on video... But I was wrong :/ Hope that's still to come!
Have a nice weekend, tubo heads
stickstones
Vapor concierge
Words of wisdom I received from @Lookatmeglow in reference to optimal use of the GonG
"Put it on 480 and pull as hard as I can"
Just tried this with a fresh bowl and oh man....
I kept pushing the gong screen loose and had a hard time reseating it. So I moved to an elb and ramped up the temp to 480 minimum. I'm still huffing hard on the back end and it kicks ass! Batteries die quicker, though. But I am digging the elb configuration.
little maggie
Well-Known Member
Can someone recommend the best batteries for the tubo? I have the original list with the recommended ones but it seems like now that people are using it they are finding some better than others.
LG HG2 are solid batteries, probably adequate for this application. Samsung 25r are 500mah smaller capacity, but 5A higher discharge rating. But I'd have thought the 20A HG2 would be fine.
First post in this thread! I have to say, this is a really interesting project. One idea that had been bouncing around in my head is, imagine a slightly scaled up version of this, designed for hydrotubes.
Most likely based around a 2-3 18650 mod (cuboid, rx200 etc), it would basically function like a cordless, on demand, vapexhale killer.
I lack the technical know how to make it a reality, so if anyone wants to develop the idea, you're more than welcome
I think it sounds like a killer concept for a dedicated 'vapour bong' setup
Abysmal Vapor
Supersniffer 2000 - robot fart detection device
Sofar i have experienced with and VTC 5 ,EFEST 35A ,Samsung 30q and i think i like the VTC 5 most of all.
Anyway as for the future of the tubo, I would like to see a version where the heater is stand alone unit which connects to the mod via 2.1mm to 510 cable., you will be able to use it with any TC mod you like ,big or small ,although i dont know if all TC mods can support its software.
Anyway i think this separation would also decrease the probability of overheating .
Welcome to the Tubo train ,dude ! This for sure is one awesome project. I just wanted to let you know that that there isnt any problem to use it with a hydratube in its current composition,except if you need to use the tubo as a stand,but this can be aided with some kind of wooden accessory,there is no need of redesign IMO.LG HG2 are solid batteries, probably adequate for this application. Samsung 25r are 500mah smaller capacity, but 5A higher discharge rating. But I'd have thought the 20A HG2 would be fine.
First post in this thread! I have to say, this is a really interesting project. One idea that had been bouncing around in my head is, imagine a slightly scaled up version of this, designed for hydrotubes.
Most likely based around a 2-3 18650 mod (cuboid, rx200 etc), it would basically function like a cordless, on demand, vapexhale killer.
I lack the technical know how to make it a reality, so if anyone wants to develop the idea, you're more than welcome
Anyway as for the future of the tubo, I would like to see a version where the heater is stand alone unit which connects to the mod via 2.1mm to 510 cable
., you will be able to use it with any TC mod you like ,big or small ,although i dont know if all TC mods can support its software.Anyway i think this separation would also decrease the probability of overheating .
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Yeah, I figured it would be doable in it's current state, and obviously a more versatile setup. I just like the idea of a nice, compact, solid base unit to act as a dedicated vapour bong. It could even run using vapexhale baskets.
I dunno, obviously it's a more niche idea with much less flexibility, but I'd be interested to see how many other people like the sound of it.
The cable idea is a stroke of genius though (providing it's doable).
The fact that it will work with any existing pieces is a definite plus, you could strap the mod to the side of the bong as well and you've transformed it into a self contained vapour piece.
Good thinking!
I dunno, obviously it's a more niche idea with much less flexibility, but I'd be interested to see how many other people like the sound of it.
The cable idea is a stroke of genius though (providing it's doable).
The fact that it will work with any existing pieces is a definite plus, you could strap the mod to the side of the bong as well and you've transformed it into a self contained vapour piece.
Good thinking!
Prolusio
Well-Known Member
Anyway as for the future of the tubo, I would like to see a version where the heater is stand alone unit which connects to the mod via 2.1mm to 510 cable
Yes! I was trying to imagine something like this but I've never seen a 510 cable like that before. A detached, 510 powered heater would be a really interesting use of the Tubo heater design.. I was picturing kind of like a Tubo mini log; would work with all the same glass pieces. Basically just the little heater block detached from the Tubo.
I guess log/desktop performance is basically what @funkyjunky is bringing to the Evic Tubo by making a power adapter.. But people who already own mods could just download the firmware (or use their own, I guess it's technically still just a coil for the mod), and try out the Tubo heater with their own devices! If this could work with the no-button draw system as well that'd be amazing.
little maggie
Well-Known Member
Odd battery experience: I bought new batteries when I got my tubo and zion: samsung 30q and LG H2 and disposed of my other batteries except the LG's I use with my milaana (LGDBHE4). I've always just left batteries in my Luc4 until I needed them until recently when I read that that's dangerous. So I charged all my batteries and put them in plastic cases. When i went to use them all of the new ones had lost their charge. The only ones that had stayed charged were my old batteries that I use with my Milaana. I wouldn't have noticed if I had still been leaving them in the charger. I think that's been impacting how quickly batteries lose charge on my tubo.
I want someone to tell me that it's ok to leave the batteries in the charger.
I want someone to tell me that it's ok to leave the batteries in the charger.
hehe i consider this a logical next step as well as the power adapterMost likely based around a 2-3 18650 mod (cuboid, rx200 etc), it would basically function like a cordless, on demand, vapexhale killer.
I lack the technical know how to make it a reality, so if anyone wants to develop the idea, you're more than welcome
have something in the works but need more time.you already told me about this connector in a pm, its indeed a very good concept and probably the way to go with a tubo510 attachment, thanks much! on to the to-do list you go! i dont see a lot of obstacles, maybe again the cable thickness to avoid voltage drop.Sofar i have experienced with and VTC 5 ,EFEST 35A ,Samsung 30q and i think i like the VTC 5 most of all.
Anyway as for the future of the tubo, I would like to see a version where the heater is stand alone unit which connects to the mod via 2.1mm to 510 cable
Anyway i think this separation would also decrease the probability of overheating .
yes that should all work
the heater is consisting of three parallel configured coils inside a glass tube design.also thought about an ac plugged analog model with just a button, more or less the size of the heater box, not sure if its worth to go the analog route.
there are some possibilities for this kind of heater.
i checked out your charger really quick. it does stop when your batteries are charged and it does recharge them when it detects that they lost power. this can only be done by the device if you leave them there. so in theory the device is made to leave the batteries on it. HOWEVER battery vendors tell you to never let them charge/in the charger unattended. so i cannot recommend against that recommendation, especially in my position.
its mostly a legal issue, likely nothing will ever happen. but IF the house burns down because of that one faulty battery/charger it will become relevant.
sickmanfraud
Well-Known Member
I want someone to tell me that it's ok to leave the batteries in the charger.
Not a good idea. There are chargers that can be used as a battery pack by using the charge in the batteries. I wonder if your charger could be draining the batteries because it thinks it is charging something.
Another battery tip is do not store batteries fully charged. I rotate my batteries so they each get used in a day or two (or 3) and are not left full indefinitely.
If you have 18650 batteries that you are not going to use for a while you should use the batteries for a session or two so the battery is not put away 100% full.