My suggestion was for those with taste issues not melting mouthpieces.
Multi-brand Vivant Alternate
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My suggestion was for those with taste issues not melting mouthpieces.
the 2 problems are clearly related i imagine plastic does give off quite a bit of smell before it melts
To the contrary I only noticed a bad taste on the first 2 bowls but my mouthpiece melted all the same. Still Heaven's gate are sorting me out and sending another whole vaporiser unit (according to the broken English). Chinese sellers value their reputation too I guess!
Vitolo
Vaporist
I can not explain it, other than to say that my unit was well used prior to my getting it, and perhaps the vapor passing through it has removed the smell.
I have been told my whole life that my sense of smell is excellent.
I can smell a persons tears before they begin crying!.
I can smell that a cigarette has been lit outside my front door with the door closed.
My unit has no unpleasant odor.
My Odin had a plastic smell until I did 3 sessions, then it lost the odor.
I have had 4 different patients that have sensitivity to plastics and smells use my unit.
Sorry to contradict those of you that insist all of the units smell, but this unit is perfect, and has already been through over 2 dozen sessions at TOP heat...... and it does not have an odor or any other issue.
That blows my mind also... I said it before, and will say it again.
You do not do burn-offs to compensate for "new vape odors".
@Vivant .... I am going to compliment you on a fine working unit.
NOTE:
I have over 100 vaporizers at my home, and I find time to use the Alternate Daily.
I have one vaporizer that smells of plastic.. a generic no name pen type unit from China.
That I keep here to show people what a bad product smells like.
Again...... my unit smells fine.
The Vivant does have a plastic "look" to it.
Some individuals might see that plastic look, and subconsciously let their minds smell plastic.
I am not saying anyone here is doing that, but I am saying that this is a psychological reality, called Sensory Expectation, in which other senses (visual in this case) either elicit other sensory memories.... OR expectations.
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PPN
Volute of Vapor
I didn't noticed that info. I want to add i didn't used or even tested the Alternate , I only noticed the fact a 99% odor free unit is possible.
Vitolo
Vaporist
A Local Patient (well experienced Vaporist) received his Vivant Alternate yesterday.
He said it works wonderfully, and has absolutely no odor.
He is going to try mine later, and I will try his.
We will be specifically looking for any smell or flavor difference.
I will report back.... he will be here in 3 hours.
He said it works wonderfully, and has absolutely no odor.
He is going to try mine later, and I will try his.
We will be specifically looking for any smell or flavor difference.
I will report back.... he will be here in 3 hours.
justvapin
Enthusiastic Cannabis Consumer
Units are melting and cracking at an alarming rate. While there are units without issue being reported, that does not alleviate the fact that many, including me, are seeing serious issues. I have put mine away for now. I like the performance, but melting plastic is no bueno.
Vitolo
Vaporist
I read through the thread.
Most users that have issues are recent posters to the forum.
2, 3.... up to 8 posts... (with a couple of exceptions)
I see the same people chiming back in to re-state the issue.
Sorry, but I do not see units melting and cracking at an "alarming rate".
I see Vaporists with a higher number of posts (this may mean more experience) saying their units work well.
Here is one that thought he might smell something, but after great use he found no issue.
I am not going to quote the positive reviews......
... but I will point out that the negative statements are being re-spoken by the same few.
Read this article on faulty logic, and you will see examples of what I have been saying;
https://msu.edu/~jdowell/135/FaultyLogic.html
One form of faulty logic is Jumping on the bandwagon:
US 1899. A bandwagon carried the musicians at a political rally, beckoning others to follow. When used to refer to business practice, jumping on the bandwagon suggests following the crowd for the excitement of being part of the group, rather than any firm conviction in its direction or truthfulness.
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@Vitolo Not smelling plastic doesn't mean your unit is safe. I highly doubt it is a batch problem as mentioned by others in this thread. Units are melting indicating the plastic is not heat resistant enough for the temperatures used. Toronto vape mentioned this in their review before anyone posted about melting units. There are so many vape out there that there is no reason to risk your health. I personally wouldn't give medical patients this vape until they rectify the melting.
justvapin
Enthusiastic Cannabis Consumer
Sorry man, but I did not jump on the bandwagon, and I am no rookie....MY UNIT IS MELTING, and I am not using high heat. No higher than 400 degrees. There is no doubt about that. As well as a number of others. You come across like everyone who is saying they smell plastic or see melting just doesn't know what they are talking about. I am not trying to argue with you, but there is a real issue here, and you are coming across as if there is not.I read through the thread.
Most users that have issues are recent posters to the forum.
2, 3.... up to 8 posts... (with a couple of exceptions)
I see the same people chiming back in to re-state the issue.
Sorry, but I do not see units melting and cracking at an "alarming rate".
I see Vaporists with a higher number of posts (this may mean more experience) saying their units work well.
Here is one that thought he might smell something, but after great use he found no issue.
I am not going to quote the positive reviews......
... but I will point out that the negative statements are being re-spoken by the same few.
Read this article on faulty logic, and you will see examples of what I have been saying;
https://msu.edu/~jdowell/135/FaultyLogic.html
One form of faulty logic is Jumping on the bandwagon:
US 1899. A bandwagon carried the musicians at a political rally, beckoning others to follow. When used to refer to business practice, jumping on the bandwagon suggests following the crowd for the excitement of being part of the group, rather than any firm conviction in its direction or truthfulness.
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what sort of life must one lead for that to be the case lol
Vitolo
Vaporist
A life where one is always the first to smell smoke, or a fart or perfume, or the smell of foods about to become rancid, but not quite there yet.
You obviously read the post, as you quoted a selective sentence of your choice from it.
I think your question was answered when I made the post you referred to:
You obviously read the post, as you quoted a selective sentence of your choice from it.
I think your question was answered when I made the post you referred to:
@luke00978 @jdent3 etc.
I don't think anyone is saying your own concerns aren't valid. Materials safety has been a concern to many ever since vaporizers were a thing. With that said, clearly some experienced vaporists are enjoying this vape and we have to respect each other.
Our forum rules address the topic, but I will summarize here. If materials safety discussion starts dividing a thread it's time to move it to General Vaporization Discussion as a topic on the materials themselves, not a vape in specific.
No vape is best for everyone's needs. All glass is the way to go for some.
I'm going to stick my neck out and utilize temporary thread-reply bans instead of warning points here. Please use the time to take a breather don't continue to antagonize or insult other members. We all have to be nice to and respect each other here.
I don't think anyone is saying your own concerns aren't valid. Materials safety has been a concern to many ever since vaporizers were a thing. With that said, clearly some experienced vaporists are enjoying this vape and we have to respect each other.
Our forum rules address the topic, but I will summarize here. If materials safety discussion starts dividing a thread it's time to move it to General Vaporization Discussion as a topic on the materials themselves, not a vape in specific.
No vape is best for everyone's needs. All glass is the way to go for some.
I'm going to stick my neck out and utilize temporary thread-reply bans instead of warning points here. Please use the time to take a breather don't continue to antagonize or insult other members. We all have to be nice to and respect each other here.
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sorry my post count isnt as high as yours @Vitolo... but if you want to compare epeens, i have been part of this community longer than you...
point of the matter... someones post count has no bearing on their experiences..
Hello all!
I have been visiting this site since 2013, did not have an account because of privacy concerns.. (offtopic: why this site is not available in https?)
But now I had to create an account just to share my experience with this device called Alternate.
Today I received device, after checking and figuring out how to use this device I loaded the chamber with some basic tobacco, upon heating up first thing I tasted was.. really uncomfortable robot fart aroma, device itself oozes with that kind of smell, but I thought that at least air path would be free from that kind of smell.
The heating chamber itself functions just how I would expect it to function, but even after going for four 1 min sessions, temperature set to 180 Celsius, the robot fart smell did not disappear, rather it seems that it did intensify..
After that I said to myself alright, went to the alternate site and updated firmware of the device from 1.01 to 1.02. After that I set power on limit from 1 min to 5 min, and temperature setting was increased from 180C to 219C. The tobacco still remaining in the chamber, I started the device again now for 5min at 219C, the plasticy robot fart smell persisted, and so I was afraid to make full draws so I kept lightly puffing until 5 min were over.
So the aftermath is this, the smell remained from the beginning to the end, moreover it seemed to me that the smell did in fact intensify which is first time for me to encounter such a thing, and after thoroughly examining device after it cooled down I noticed one really weird thing, the top part of the device at the point where the plastic encircles that fine looking mesh was deformed. All it took was four 1 min 180C sessions + 5 min 219C session to have the mouthpiece deform on me.
I did read this thread and I noticed that there are people who have issues with this device, and people who do not have issues with this device.
My question to Vivant would be this: How is this possible to have such variance in manufacturing? Right now it seems to me there are two camps at which Alternate can fall into, the first camp would be called as the device name Vivant Alternate, and the second camp would be called Team Melting Robofart..
I may be a little bit sad and sound like I am rambling on my own but this is first time for me to encounter such a thing with a vaporizer. I have had some Chinese vaporizer it was called imag I think, it had that authentic robofart smell to it, but after using and cleaning it once the smell was gone..
Well I hope you as a company will be able to find a resolution to this problem, but ehh, I bought Alternate because I wanted to try those hybrid vaporizers, since my way of vaporizing is conduction first with pax and currently with pax 2 for 3 or four years. What I am trying to say with this is that there are many who are still sticking with their beloved conduction vaporizer but seeing that there is affordable hybrid vaporizer that wont bite you even if you did not like the extraction method, you could say that Alternate could become the gateway "convection" vaporizer but after experiencing this fiasco with my device it would be impossible for me to suggest this vaporizer to anyone who values their health or taste of smell.
I am sorry for my broken English in advance, not my mother tongue.
TLDR for anyone who does not want to bother:
it took four 1 min 180C sessions + 5 min 219C session to have the mouthpiece deform on me.
I have been visiting this site since 2013, did not have an account because of privacy concerns.. (offtopic: why this site is not available in https?)
But now I had to create an account just to share my experience with this device called Alternate.
Today I received device, after checking and figuring out how to use this device I loaded the chamber with some basic tobacco, upon heating up first thing I tasted was.. really uncomfortable robot fart aroma, device itself oozes with that kind of smell, but I thought that at least air path would be free from that kind of smell.
The heating chamber itself functions just how I would expect it to function, but even after going for four 1 min sessions, temperature set to 180 Celsius, the robot fart smell did not disappear, rather it seems that it did intensify..
After that I said to myself alright, went to the alternate site and updated firmware of the device from 1.01 to 1.02. After that I set power on limit from 1 min to 5 min, and temperature setting was increased from 180C to 219C. The tobacco still remaining in the chamber, I started the device again now for 5min at 219C, the plasticy robot fart smell persisted, and so I was afraid to make full draws so I kept lightly puffing until 5 min were over.
So the aftermath is this, the smell remained from the beginning to the end, moreover it seemed to me that the smell did in fact intensify which is first time for me to encounter such a thing, and after thoroughly examining device after it cooled down I noticed one really weird thing, the top part of the device at the point where the plastic encircles that fine looking mesh was deformed. All it took was four 1 min 180C sessions + 5 min 219C session to have the mouthpiece deform on me.
I did read this thread and I noticed that there are people who have issues with this device, and people who do not have issues with this device.
My question to Vivant would be this: How is this possible to have such variance in manufacturing? Right now it seems to me there are two camps at which Alternate can fall into, the first camp would be called as the device name Vivant Alternate, and the second camp would be called Team Melting Robofart..
I may be a little bit sad and sound like I am rambling on my own but this is first time for me to encounter such a thing with a vaporizer. I have had some Chinese vaporizer it was called imag I think, it had that authentic robofart smell to it, but after using and cleaning it once the smell was gone..
Well I hope you as a company will be able to find a resolution to this problem, but ehh, I bought Alternate because I wanted to try those hybrid vaporizers, since my way of vaporizing is conduction first with pax and currently with pax 2 for 3 or four years. What I am trying to say with this is that there are many who are still sticking with their beloved conduction vaporizer but seeing that there is affordable hybrid vaporizer that wont bite you even if you did not like the extraction method, you could say that Alternate could become the gateway "convection" vaporizer but after experiencing this fiasco with my device it would be impossible for me to suggest this vaporizer to anyone who values their health or taste of smell.
I am sorry for my broken English in advance, not my mother tongue.
TLDR for anyone who does not want to bother:
it took four 1 min 180C sessions + 5 min 219C session to have the mouthpiece deform on me.
ScoMonster415
Well-Known Member
Thanks to all for the responses. My post count is new here but I have been lurking on this message board for many years reading and gathering information on various vaporizers. I have owned a vapor bros box type vape, arizer extreme q and solo, thermovape, mflb launch box, dr. dabber pens, etc. and none have had that strong plastic smell especially in the oven area. Usually Chinese produced products that are of plastic have that strong chemical odor, but it is hard to say if the smell went away or just got masked with very terpy meds. Either way I beleive the plastic shell is unsafe at temperatures of 200 -220c.
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Vitolo
Vaporist
The patient I spoke of has just arrived.
We are currently doing our 2nd session using each others Alternates.
He is saying that my unit tastes better than his, and I did detect a foreign essence in his.
He explained that his first tests with his unit were using peppermint leaves for practice.
This may be the essence I detected.
He says my unit tastes fantastic... but I have done dozens of sessions through it, and have even done a couple sessions using wax rolled into a cotton swab
After we finish our sessions I will inspect his unit (and mine) with a jewelers loop under white light and inspect for differences and/or deterioration.
We are currently doing our 2nd session using each others Alternates.
He is saying that my unit tastes better than his, and I did detect a foreign essence in his.
He explained that his first tests with his unit were using peppermint leaves for practice.
This may be the essence I detected.
He says my unit tastes fantastic... but I have done dozens of sessions through it, and have even done a couple sessions using wax rolled into a cotton swab
After we finish our sessions I will inspect his unit (and mine) with a jewelers loop under white light and inspect for differences and/or deterioration.
That's very cool, Emily.
I'll wait for the new mouthpieces to come out then. It would be perfect if that happened before 20/4 (yeah, fuck combustion but also fuck your confusing murican way of writing dates!) so we can take advantage of the sales!
At this point I think it makes sense for me to wait for a European retailer to start selling the WPA and buy it then, for now the mouthpiece is the most pressing issue.
Have a great day everyone!
Hey @BaroneBarra , How funny, I grew up with a British background so I am quite used to the date/month/yr format and it was a total culture shock when I came to the states 18 years ago. However, I respect all cultures so either way doesn't bother me =P
I too hope the accessory parts come in by "20/4" =)
Will definitely keep you all updated, Thank you!!
Vitolo
Vaporist
Besides the fact that I clean my unit after each use, the units looked the same after our "exchange"
Neither unit has signs of deterioration.
Above: My unit after using it for 30+ sessions at 400º
Above: The other patients unit after doing 10 sessions at 380º
Neither show cracking or melting.
I will confess that I did not like the taste of his unit as much as mine, and he agreed mine tasted better.
So far it is my feeling that his unit tasted unusual to me due to his 1st couple of sessions using peppermint (and then he fessed up to doing one with lavender mixed with meds.)
Neither unit has signs of deterioration.
Above: My unit after using it for 30+ sessions at 400º
Above: The other patients unit after doing 10 sessions at 380º
Neither show cracking or melting.
I will confess that I did not like the taste of his unit as much as mine, and he agreed mine tasted better.
So far it is my feeling that his unit tasted unusual to me due to his 1st couple of sessions using peppermint (and then he fessed up to doing one with lavender mixed with meds.)
shaolinmilk
Well-Known Member
Just throwing in my 2 cents. They should have some kind of standard/regulation for herbal vaporizers. Anytime something melts especially after very little use, that should be a huge sign of concern. We all get vaporizers to replace combustion... when plastic starts melting, I'm not sure if that's more safe than straight up combustion.
With that said, I hope Viviant fixes the issue with plastic melting... this is a learning experience for you. I hope you guys take everything you learnt from this and create amazing products in the future like you do in the E-Cig world.
With that said, I hope Viviant fixes the issue with plastic melting... this is a learning experience for you. I hope you guys take everything you learnt from this and create amazing products in the future like you do in the E-Cig world.
IckiestOfTheSticky
Well-Known Member
Let's all please try to avoid statements that say someone is more experienced than someone else just because they have a low post count. I've been on this board for almost 9 years, and have participated in this community since that time. I had to create a new account a couple years ago because my old one was doxxed by someone at my work.
The point is, just because someone has a low post count doesn't mean they don't know what they're talking about.
People have different experiences, and places like this are an incredible value as it gives us a community to share those experiences, similar or different as they may be.
The point is that some users are having issues, some are not. This is the way product ownership goes, regardless of what type of product the topic covers.
My own personal unit took almost 120 minutes of continued use (approx 40 3 min sessions) before the taste I was experiencing started to fade away. I can still taste something I don't like from time to time once I stop producing vapor.
I have a spreadsheet I've kept of each session since I started with the Alternate, which covers data and observations about the unit after every single use. My observations might vary greatly from someone like Vitolo, and that's actually great. I remember him from the Inhalater days, and have always valued his input. Differing opinions is what makes this community great, because it generates discussion.
Let's please not forget about that, and keep it moving forward.
I have tried to be objective in my observations, and keep any emotion out of it, as we all should. If you're going to reply with something snarky, or with something that puts you above someone else, even through a suggestion that doesn't completely connect the dots that way, please don't. We don't need that kind of stuff here. Please know I'm not singling anyone out either, just a general rule of thumb.
We have a fantastic opportunity here with a direct line to Vivant, and they're providing great customer service by communicating back to this community. I don't want to lose that, and I think all of us at the end of the day can appreciate that fact.
EDIT - As a point of reference, here is what my unit looks like after 50 sessions and 132 minutes of continuous use. The rim of the cooling unit is definitely a little bit misshapen, but I think it's holding up extremely well, and as you can tell I clean my unit thoroughly each time I use it to try and ensure I notice any changes.
http://imgur.com/a/Oakcc
I tried inserting an image, but it's not seeming to work for me, and shows broken tags, sorry!
EDIT: TY Mod!! Appreciate the help
Modnote: Edited to display image
The point is, just because someone has a low post count doesn't mean they don't know what they're talking about.
People have different experiences, and places like this are an incredible value as it gives us a community to share those experiences, similar or different as they may be.
The point is that some users are having issues, some are not. This is the way product ownership goes, regardless of what type of product the topic covers.
My own personal unit took almost 120 minutes of continued use (approx 40 3 min sessions) before the taste I was experiencing started to fade away. I can still taste something I don't like from time to time once I stop producing vapor.
I have a spreadsheet I've kept of each session since I started with the Alternate, which covers data and observations about the unit after every single use. My observations might vary greatly from someone like Vitolo, and that's actually great. I remember him from the Inhalater days, and have always valued his input. Differing opinions is what makes this community great, because it generates discussion.
Let's please not forget about that, and keep it moving forward.
I have tried to be objective in my observations, and keep any emotion out of it, as we all should. If you're going to reply with something snarky, or with something that puts you above someone else, even through a suggestion that doesn't completely connect the dots that way, please don't. We don't need that kind of stuff here. Please know I'm not singling anyone out either, just a general rule of thumb.
We have a fantastic opportunity here with a direct line to Vivant, and they're providing great customer service by communicating back to this community. I don't want to lose that, and I think all of us at the end of the day can appreciate that fact.
EDIT - As a point of reference, here is what my unit looks like after 50 sessions and 132 minutes of continuous use. The rim of the cooling unit is definitely a little bit misshapen, but I think it's holding up extremely well, and as you can tell I clean my unit thoroughly each time I use it to try and ensure I notice any changes.
http://imgur.com/a/Oakcc
I tried inserting an image, but it's not seeming to work for me, and shows broken tags, sorry!
EDIT: TY Mod!! Appreciate the help
Modnote: Edited to display image
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Vitolo
Vaporist
This is so very true....
unless you look studiously at the posts made and find that every post made is a "bashing"post no matter the thread.
No place better!
Your unit looks great for 50 sessions!
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blackbur
Well-Known Member
i imagine there will be a lot of new memebers joining/low count posters posting due to the fact that the price of the vivant is attractive and to many is a chance to wet their feet in the vaporizing world. I agree with other posters, fc is a great forum because we have a platform to share our experiences and learn from eachother as well as communicate with manufactors and vendors..there arent many forums out there that have this kind of interaction for other devices/appliances.