Discontinued MistVape Touch

DanTeDays

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I needed a way to check for hot spots so I got some hemp fibers and when I "vape" them I can get some darkening of the fibers which shows where the coil is hot. If I get a "hot spot" that covers 70% of the load I'm calling it good. Several rotations should give almost 100% extraction, I'm hoping. I did find that what looked good visually wasn't always good. I had a few that had a hot spot to the side which only covered 20 or 30% of the load. Some were fine as is.
This adds another 10 or 20 minutes to each build but it has to be done.
So this brings up another topic, is it worth offering hemp fibers on my website? I'm thinking $5/oz with $3-4 shipping. If no one is interested that's fine but I had to buy a kilo of fibers and that will last a long time so if you need some let me know.

Additional 30 minutes for quality control is appreciated.
Pretty certain that this sentiment will be echoed by others.
 

Shit Snacks

Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
I needed a way to check for hot spots so I got some hemp fibers and when I "vape" them I can get some darkening of the fibers which shows where the coil is hot. If I get a "hot spot" that covers 70% of the load I'm calling it good. Several rotations should give almost 100% extraction, I'm hoping. I did find that what looked good visually wasn't always good. I had a few that had a hot spot to the side which only covered 20 or 30% of the load. Some were fine as is.
This adds another 10 or 20 minutes to each build but it has to be done.
So this brings up another topic, is it worth offering hemp fibers on my website? I'm thinking $5/oz with $3-4 shipping. If no one is interested that's fine but I had to buy a kilo of fibers and that will last a long time so if you need some let me know.

Sounds great to me! Just make sure you don't undervalue your time as the build process becomes more involved ofcourse :tup:

I also think offering hemp fiber is a great idea, for concentrates and filters, all around a good thing to have. I was actually going to send some with my current Touch to my buddy when I have a new one, and then he can order more directly from you when he gets more stems etc.
 

drterps

Well-Known Member
id be interested in hemp fiber but don't think you can ship it to canada? have access to a rosin press so want to try that with mvt...

which option is better for less charring / more even extraction the turbo tube or wooden tube? or should i just get both? my technique is getting better but still have hotspot/char issues especially when going from weak battery to fresh one..
 

peaceonearth

high since 1968
#88 :D

Discovered this thread just a few days ago, still plowing thru it but… haven’t been this excited about a vape in a long while! Checks every one of my boxes for the attributes I’ve been holding out for in an on-demand wood portable. From what I’ve read it seems to combine the best virtues of Milaana, Underdog and Sticky Brick Jr… plus is stunningly gorgeous!

Came very close several times to getting a Mi but really wanted something more self contained, plus my personal preference is for a slightly narrower stem that’s not quite so airy (i.e. prefer the Underdog stem that goes inside the air-core oven to the outer-fitting glass one).

@HellsWindStaff thank you for your post about MVT being similar to Underdog, that was when I knew for sure this was the portable for me as I am completely in love with my UD.

That left the funky-looking battery door as being my only remaining reservation, so when I came to @mistvaporizer 's post about the beautiful re-designed batt door, it was icing on the cake :clap:

Also love the wood stem so will get ahold of @Alan.

I am PSYCHED! :nod:

:peace:
 

mistvaporizer

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Manufacturer
@HellsWindStaff namaste
yeah I try to stay on top of this thread and see if the Touch needs any revisions or if anyone is having issues. So far it has been pretty good, couple of hot spot units last batch and I adjusted one of those. Another one is on the way in for adjustment. Other than that, at the risk of jinxing myself, there have only been a few "repairs" (two for the same person) and a couple of those were user error (whoops I dropped it).
I made a wood stem with a really short tapered section so you can get the load away from the heat source more. As soon as I can I will make a few more and send them to testers.
Also added hemp fibers to the website, $12/ounce includes shipping in the US.
 

Farkas

Do you know about the bird?
Mine came today. Super pretty (nice work, Dave). I'll get some pics up at some point soon. May not be able to try it until the weekend, though. But you never know. :brow:

Edit: here's a quick pic. Resolution isn't the greatest.

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Fat Freddy

FUCK CANCER TOO !
@HellsWindStaff namaste
yeah I try to stay on top of this thread and see if the Touch needs any revisions or if anyone is having issues. So far it has been pretty good, couple of hot spot units last batch and I adjusted one of those. Another one is on the way in for adjustment. Other than that, at the risk of jinxing myself, there have only been a few "repairs" (two for the same person) and a couple of those were user error (whoops I dropped it).
I made a wood stem with a really short tapered section so you can get the load away from the heat source more. As soon as I can I will make a few more and send them to testers.
Also added hemp fibers to the website, $12/ounce includes shipping in the US.

Just wondering, is it easier to move the load a greater distance away from the coils than to simply adjust downward the temperature of the coils? I'm guessing that's the case?

Also, just today I accidentally knocked the bottom screen down onto the coils. Had no trouble removing the screen but reinstalling took a few attempts as I kept pushing it down too far and then it would fall onto the coil. I was wondering if a slightly larger diameter screen might stay put better if there was more pressure exerted from the "slightly concaved" screen, outward toward the glass i.d.? What say you?

:rockon::rockon::rockon::rockon::rockon::rockon::rockon::rockon:
 

mistvaporizer

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Manufacturer
@Fat Freddy the screen is the weakest point of the design. I have tried every available combo of stem and screen and this is the only one that actually works. The female stem can be Indian, Chinese or German and while they are all 14/23 the dimensions and construction are such that the German stem (Lenz is the manufacturer) is the only one that holds a 1/2" screen.
Maybe a cup screen that sits in the female stem might work. Thank you Fat Freddy I never would of thought of a cup screen in the heater if you hadn't asked :science:
I'll do some experimenting, that would be a sweet solution.
 

FreddieFresh

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I would be really appreciative if anyone who can make the MVT perform like a LSV can share their technique?

A lot of it will be in how you hit it. I can't stress draw speed enough. You'll need to hit it slow and steady for a few hits until the glass heater cover gets heated up. That's when it can really put out some solid hits and you can draw harder. Imagine puffing a joint or drinking something through a straw. You create a suction, drawing the vapor into your mouth first and then inhaling. When the vapor gets hotter think of it like a thick milkshake. You have to create a stronger suction, but you're still inhaling a little slower. If it cools off too much slow back down.

I also realized I was being too shy with the heat initially. Pushing it a little further and finding the limits of combustion can help you get the most out of it. The worst case scenario is you get an awful taste and have to clean some glass, so find out how far you can take it. Beyond that, theres a lot of variables that can factor into its performance like herb quality, grind consistency (I use slightly finer grinds with it,) battery life, ambient temps, etc.
 

mistvaporizer

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Manufacturer
I found that if I increase the inhale speed I get more or a hit. That doesn't explain it well but it is the only way I can think of to describe it. As the vapor temp goes up, as judged by how it feels, I let up on the button and increase the force of the draw. This seems to really up the hit. I thought the increased draw would cool off the coil and decrease the hit.
I've been spending a lot of time adjusting coils and one thing I found is that the coil retains a lot of heat. Much more than I would have expected. If I go red hot for a few seconds then let it settle down and try to adjust the coil it is too hot to touch comfortably, not hot enough to blister my finger. I would have expected the coil to cool very quickly but it has more btu's than I thought.
 

Fat Freddy

FUCK CANCER TOO !
@DDave is on version 3 of his mod, which uses a permanent glass filter, instead of a stainless steel screen, inside an 14/18mm glass stem.

Using this would alleviate the need for the screen inside the coil.


Though implementing the glass screen inside the 14mm stem would be great, though it would mean the chamber would be a set size.

If I understand correctly, it would appear that the keck clip would not allow a good fit with the MVT, yes?

Or can it be applied in this instance without the clip?

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FreddieFresh

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As the vapor temp goes up, as judged by how it feels, I let up on the button and increase the force of the draw. This seems to really up the hit.

This is what I've been doing to great effect. Although I may stay on the coil a bit more throughout the hit to try and maintain temps. Its somewhat similar to how I hit my SBJr. As you mentioned, the coil has a surprising amount of residual heat and especially once the glass gets hot, the MVT seems to give bigger hits and hot spot less with faster draws. Powerful little vape you've made @mistvaporizer

@Fat Freddy the female joint is completely encapsulated in the wood frame so there's nothing for the clip to hold onto in this case. It's a sacrifice I'm personally willing to make to have the female so protected.
 

Farkas

Do you know about the bird?
A lot of it will be in how you hit it. I can't stress draw speed enough. You'll need to hit it slow and steady for a few hits until the glass heater cover gets heated up. That's when it can really put out some solid hits and you can draw harder. Imagine puffing a joint or drinking something through a straw. You create a suction, drawing the vapor into your mouth first and then inhaling. When the vapor gets hotter think of it like a thick milkshake. You have to create a stronger suction, but you're still inhaling a little slower. If it cools off too much slow back down.

I also realized I was being too shy with the heat initially. Pushing it a little further and finding the limits of combustion can help you get the most out of it. The worst case scenario is you get an awful taste and have to clean some glass, so find out how far you can take it. Beyond that, theres a lot of variables that can factor into its performance like herb quality, grind consistency (I use slightly finer grinds with it,) battery life, ambient temps, etc.

Great summation, @FreddieFresh.

Being a fan of the Elevape SV, where draw speed (and coil orientation, of course) is everything, I had a pretty good idea as far as the technique needed here. I used a coarser grind, a fresh battery, and a preheat of about 10 seconds. Off the button at that point, waited a couple seconds, then began with a mediumish draw while back on the button for about four seconds or so before releasing and speeding up my draw to clear it. On the first go I was rewarded with a great, flavorful hit and impressive cloud, the latter of which I wasn't really expecting. Checking the stem I found a darkish spot pretty much dead center. Rotated the stem twice after that (also stirred once) for another four hits. Extraction was complete and I didn't bother saving the AVB. I can see if you hold the button too long or don't have enough draw speed that combustion is possible or even probable, but I think you can ride it easy enough after the initial learning curve that it shouldn't be an issue.

Overall, I'm very, very happy with the unit. More experimentation is warranted, of course, but it's a great looking unit that performs really well. Excellent job @mistvaporizer! :clap:
 

mistvaporizer

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Manufacturer
@Farkas thanks for the nice explanation. The draw speed can really make or break the vaping experience. I'm still learning.
Installing the coil so it heats evenly is a challenge and I am working on making it better.
This batch I am spending more time adjusting and testing each unit, doing a lot of vaping but I believe it is warranted. It is such a burden to have to vape all the time, :rofl:
I have found a company that can make the coils for me, the downside is I have to spend about $3,000 and have a large batch made. Also the turnaround time is 6 weeks, pretty sure I am putting the order in this week.
I thought I could do a batch of 50 in a month but I've been working on this batch full time for a month and it looks like another week or two. I obviously need to streamline the process big time, I do see some places where I can improve the process. The good reviews are a great impetus for me to keep it rolling.
I've been thinking of doing some engraving on the side that has the porthole. Maybe a Marijuana leaf, simple nature scene or a geometric design. Any input on the type of design you find appealing would be appreciated.
 
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paytonpenn

Level 30 Nature/Healer
Please no marijuana leaves. It's just my opinion but it looks tacky. And that is my short and kind opinion about that stuff.

Random geometric designs around the body are acceptable if this is something we can request and pay a little more for. But I think wooden bodies are best left simple and minimal. I think bands around the bottom would be cool.
 

Fat Freddy

FUCK CANCER TOO !
Please no marijuana leaves. It's just my opinion but it looks tacky. And that is my short and kind opinion about that stuff.

Random geometric designs around the body are acceptable if this is something we can request and pay a little more for. But I think wooden bodies are best left simple and minimal. I think bands around the bottom would be cool.

I agree with @paytonpenn . Leave that BEAUTIFUL maple canvas untouched by "enhancements" unless an individual owner elects to pay additionally for engraving of their choice. Just saying. :2c:

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mistvaporizer

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thanks I appreciate the input. It will be something that initially I engrave a Touch and offer it, like how I dealt with the custom frames. I'll make more custom frames next batch btw.
The engraving would be optional, at this point I have no idea what it might cost.
I'm not a big fan of the marijuana leaf but I wanted to see what people thought about it.
 

Cl4ud3

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I'm another one who would prefer something other than a marijuana leaf. The plain maple pops so much already but to me the MJ leaf is tacky as fuck and not the right direction we want to turn all the bigots and non vapists, especially when a lot of us are in non legal places. Some geometric design or something like a tree would be great but not the leaf.
 

Shit Snacks

Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
thanks I appreciate the input. It will be something that initially I engrave a Touch and offer it, like how I dealt with the custom frames. I'll make more custom frames next batch btw.
The engraving would be optional, at this point I have no idea what it might cost.
I'm not a big fan of the marijuana leaf but I wanted to see what people thought about it.

Yeah agreed, would be a pretty cool option, personalized vapes! People could put a name or quote on there... I do think geometric designs are nicer, but plain wood nicest of all probably. Interesting about the coils, if it saves enough time and reliable, could be a good investment
 
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