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ccchase420
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somethings wrong and can't post the latest video, but it's on the channel!
KimDracula
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I like Moxie a lot. Way expensive, but good when it is affordable.
Recently I've had Goji OG (very fresh and sweet), Strawberry Fields (wonderful and subtle authentic-tasting strawberry flavor), and am working on some Grape Reserve right now. This latter one is interesting. I do get a vaguely grape-like, gassy flavor at the end of the exhale but the beginning tastes almost like a chocolate liqueur to me, or at least what I imagine what that would taste like.
I've been mixing in some Loud Pack flavors here and there as well as some Prime Extracts (Orange Slurpee Cured Resin is yummy with a Hazy edge to the citrus flavor) varieties. So far I prefer Loud Pack (Golden Lemons was awesome) and Moxie to the Prime overall at that kind of price point. I used to like West Coast Cure a lot but not so much any more.
Recently I've had Goji OG (very fresh and sweet), Strawberry Fields (wonderful and subtle authentic-tasting strawberry flavor), and am working on some Grape Reserve right now. This latter one is interesting. I do get a vaguely grape-like, gassy flavor at the end of the exhale but the beginning tastes almost like a chocolate liqueur to me, or at least what I imagine what that would taste like.
I've been mixing in some Loud Pack flavors here and there as well as some Prime Extracts (Orange Slurpee Cured Resin is yummy with a Hazy edge to the citrus flavor) varieties. So far I prefer Loud Pack (Golden Lemons was awesome) and Moxie to the Prime overall at that kind of price point. I used to like West Coast Cure a lot but not so much any more.
Baron23
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@ccchase420 - thanks for another great review.
I look forward to the Liger 3.0 review very much.
Glad the vid didn't go on any longer, by the end your eye lids were at half mast! haha
Cheers and thanks again.
I look forward to the Liger 3.0 review very much.
Glad the vid didn't go on any longer, by the end your eye lids were at half mast! haha
Cheers and thanks again.
herbivore21
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Oh man that Moxie goodness in your latest video reminds me of how one of my recent sugared up 6 star 120u full melt bubbles looked recently! The only difference is that tell-tale orange/yellow color that seems to come out in solvent extracts and hotter rosin pressing!
From that alone, I'd say it is worth the price
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dizaster096
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Cookies & Cream has a insane smell that matches its name perfectly.
Baron23
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@ccchase420 - thanks again for a great review of a great product.
I believe that most live resins we have seen you review had a soft consistency while this looks very much shatter like. Yes? No?
By the by, can't play the embedded video and needed to go to YouTube to watch it.
Cheers
herbivore21
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It is often in the way the purge is carried out that determines the final consistency of a solvent extracted product brother
I've made live resin that was similarly shattery (same color too actually lol) before but also got more slippery stuff. The starting material will also influence the consistency somewhat (this is very obvious to rosin makers I'm sure! Also incredibly relevant when making full melt hashes) but IME with solvents (especially live resin extracts), looking at the processing method first is usually warranted if we want to work out how something got to be a certain consistency
Baron23
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@herbivore21 - hello, my friend. Yeah, I was wondering because I had thought, with my incomplete knowledge, that they winterize wax in ice cold ISO to remove the plant lipids and that's how they got shatter like consistency but that the solvent/winterize process also removes much of the terps and perhaps other cannabinoids associated with flavor and the often discussed entourage effects.It is often in the way the purge is carried out that determines the final consistency of a solvent extracted product brother
With Live Resin, I thought that the purpose of the whole fresh bud freezing was to retain more of those terps and that winterizing it to make it shatter like would be counterproductive to that goal?
I suppose I'm not understanding this properly??
dizaster096
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Dewaxing and Winterizing are two different methods.
Most are doing single solvent extractions (Mixes of butane and propane or pure propane) with dry ice (subzero temps) and Buchner funnels and filters to separate plants fat/waxes without affecting terpenes
. Winterizing is done via secondary solvent and it loses a considerable amount of terpenes. Bret Maverick and others made the dewaxing method popular a few years ago.Bunch of factors on its consistency terpenes are natural solvents and some cultivar has some that are way higher than others changing its consistency. Purge times and flips will also have an effect. Shatter consistency doesn't really mean it has less terpenes because its crystalline consistency is intact and it's not releasing aromatic terps into air. The solvent mixture can also have an effect on color propane being lighter butane darker.
I've had live resins that are cyro frozen from same grower and done proper with very high quality material and the consistency can very strain to strain shatters, sugar waxes, saps.
To be honest i'd take a slow cured hydrocarbon extraction over live resin any time people cure cannabis for a reason to get rid of those monoterpenes. Many of the extracts i have the material is slow cured but you'd think its live resin from how loud smell is and the consistency. Live resin on average contains 11 % less sesquiterpenes by weight than non-live resin.
"Monoterpenes are light terpenes like myrcene, limonene, terpinolene and linalool. These aromatic compounds are responsible for the lighter, aerial and floral aromas of the cannabis scent. Sesquiterpenes, the heaviest terpenes, are compounds like caryophyllene and humulene."
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herbivore21
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Winterizing can be described as a a type of dewaxing man, but the other dewaxing methods (such as used by Indra, the OG of BHO) you raise are very important to differentiate from secondary winterization as you do for the reasons that you mention
I should highlight that different colors as a function of different solvents can actually be explained more specifically as a result of the length of contact between the various solvents and starting material. Different solvents have different polarities and other relevant properties and so should spend less or more time in contact with the starting material to avoid pulling out undesirable compounds respectively. This is true even of solvents that are usually known for very dark end results - look around in the share that dab stash thread for pictures of my crystal clear, insanely pale, almost colorless QWISO shatter from back before I ever started working with solventless methods and found them to be much better! This all supports and further explains on what you've shared about different solvents ending in different colored extracts of course
You and I are birds of a feather when it comes to preferring well cured resin over live resin (give me solventless over hydrocarbon extracts anyday though
)! I do wonder sometimes if people who only consume retail concentrates prefer live resin simply because the best cured resin products are in the extract artist's headstash and never made it to the shelves of the local collective/dispensary 
As someone who can make all of the above myself and choose whichever I prefer, I definitely always go for the bubble, dry sift or rosin from cured flowers!I haven't bothered with live resin or fresh frozen bubble in a very long time for the same reasons - I find it similarly harsh on the airways and the tastes are not as pleasant to my palette. Some varieties are better than others for live resin in these regards, I must admit.
Further to what you said above, many extract artists are very well versed in how to get all kinds of different consistencies in extracts from the exact same starting flower. I know many of the pictures I've shared here of radically different looking consistencies of extract all actually came from the same starting material! It definitely makes sense that you've seen a lot of variety in consistencies etc, even from the same extract artist.
ccchase420
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Baron23
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Thanks Chase and I can't imagine anybody not understanding your need to take a break from time to time, particularly given your relatively high production quality.
You asked for input, IMO if you need a break, just post that you are taking a break. A five minute full melt compilation would just be gravy. Maybe it would be like your out of office notice. LOL
Are you still waiting for final production parts from Josh? I ask because I'm still interested in your Liger 3.0 review when you get to it.
Cheers
ccchase420
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definitely have all the new flat coil stuff ready to rock, but i'm waiting for my new hexnail. it's a smart e-nail i am/was planning to do a simultaneous review for..but they are taking a while to get the unit to me i might just end up making my videos without it. i'm going to wait a little bit longer though i think it'll be here really soon.
ccchase420
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Baron23
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I don't know, @ccchase420. That hex is a hot number and while waiting may delay the equipment review, I would love to see a bit more of it in action.
I believe that the gals are hard at it getting back orders out so I hope you get it soon.
I liked the temp notes on your vid at the YouTube site. 565 is pretty cool. So is that is still with the barrel coil 20mm V3.0 in this vid?? Do you think the heat shroud is what makes the difference or do you think you could dab this stuff at 565 with a V2.0?
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ccchase420
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the heat shroud didn't do too much for temps, but it did tons for stability. i like having my window open to the right and the breeze passing through my room would create a lot of work for the heater rising and lowering temp constantly. shroud fixed that more or less, now it only variates by 2-3 degrees. the same goes for the temperature loss while actually dabbing. it does feel like it stays hotter longer with the shroud.
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Baron23
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Thanks Chase! As I was watching the melt shot, I was thinking that my comment was going to be "wow, that looks REALLY clean, is it?" and then of course you answered that during the review.something special this week. Terp sauce from Terp Preservation Society Of Humboldt
Would I be right to presume that you can see the difference when you q-tip out your insert also?
herbivore21
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Oh man this I gotta seesomething special this week. Terp sauce from Terp Preservation Society Of Humboldt
EDIT: @ccchase420 man you are not wrong about the density of these concentrates, a small dab goes a very long way!
Also the super clear melting is indeed something I have noticed with various high quality extracts!
Have a look at this 6 star full melt that I deliberately melted a little before stopping the application of heat:
That same clear glassy oil pools around the outside. Fascinating to see this same behavior from extracts made so differently!
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ccchase420
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definitely, the super clear stuff tends to leave less residue and vaporize at lower temperatures
tepictoton
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Instant Headsquish?
I hereby thank you for finding a word that expresses one of the main effects I never could explain in one simple word :Headsquish it is!!!
I take my head of to you surrrrrr!
Any idea if the sauce consistency has anything to do with a mixture of solvents being used? (propane and butane?) Any more info on the process being used would be welcome. For sure they are working with cryogenic temperatures?
I had the pleasure to meet the people of harmony extracts in Colorado a few weeks ago, and they also were carrying a similar product. Actually had it in glass vials, and I immediately noticed separation taking place in the bottom of the vial. They told me that was the terps separating from the thc-a.... Also noticed the nail staid almost perfectly clean, and yes, even smaller dabs needed.
So this seems much like it , although the harmony stuff was even more liquid. Maybe you should reach out to them and see if you can do a review of their product too.
Thanks for your wise word (s)!!!
I hereby thank you for finding a word that expresses one of the main effects I never could explain in one simple word :Headsquish it is!!!
I take my head of to you surrrrrr!
Any idea if the sauce consistency has anything to do with a mixture of solvents being used? (propane and butane?) Any more info on the process being used would be welcome. For sure they are working with cryogenic temperatures?
I had the pleasure to meet the people of harmony extracts in Colorado a few weeks ago, and they also were carrying a similar product. Actually had it in glass vials, and I immediately noticed separation taking place in the bottom of the vial. They told me that was the terps separating from the thc-a.... Also noticed the nail staid almost perfectly clean, and yes, even smaller dabs needed.
So this seems much like it , although the harmony stuff was even more liquid. Maybe you should reach out to them and see if you can do a review of their product too.
Thanks for your wise word (s)!!!
herbivore21
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The sauce consistency will no doubt owe to a high proportion of terps or other clear, solvent (I do not mean residual extraction solvent here necessarily - terps etc are a solvent in this sense too!!!) substances that dissolve the other more viscous cannabis actives.
I have noticed that anything that melts with a clear pool around it when you dab it has an overwhelming amount of flavor compared to anything else I've dabbed. As I showed above, I've mostly seen this from solventless concentrates so I know that it is not a residual extraction solvent related thing.
This is not so much about the kind of solvent used necessarily. I can envisage several different ways that this kind of product could be made. The most obvious to me is using some kind of cold trap to capture terps during the purge and/or fractional distillation/chromatography to isolate terps to add into a more traditional BHO.
The difficulty here is that a cold trap may capture some residual solvent. However, this cold trap collection could certainly be processed further with either of the other two methods mentioned to clean that up if a cold trap was used.
There are so many other possibilities for the clear, runny consistency. I'd be fascinated to see lab COA's from this product!
@ccchase420 do you have lab results for this product at your workplace that you could share?
Cheers
ccchase420
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no lab results, this was sent from up north. curious myself. a lot of people talk of re-added terps these days but i have yet to see any definitive proof or hear something that isn't just conjecture (not an insult to your post which was well thought out definitely!)