Crackdown on Legalized Marijuana
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As one activist put it, DC will be the "litmus test" for the rest of the country. Some of these guys in Congress have a hard on for DC's local affairs in general. I can think of two guys in particular.
As for the courts weighing in on the issue for the states? Here's a question for you:
"Who decides who decides?"
As for the courts weighing in on the issue for the states? Here's a question for you:
"Who decides who decides?"
CarolKing
Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
If the Trump admistration shuts down legal - the states are screwed. Federal law overrules state laws. Those cannabis enthusiast thought we were in the clear because Trump said he would be leaving it up to the states. I thought this would have been talked about with the governors and the president today. Why should this take so much time? We need this discussed, since it was brought up the other day.
jeffp
psychonaut/retired
Spicer said he won't shut down legal but he will come after the rest. This is very troubling if true - we have to hear it from Trump's mouth one way or the other - but this would cost him the reelection even on the primary level. On the upside I get the sense that he's sort of winging it in general and with that, he's open to having his mind changed. His confidant Roger Stone warned that going this route would be a big mistake and his listens to Roger.
If Trump did this one thing - decriminalize and leave it to the states - this would be the one thing that would fully and instantly derail his opposition.
If Trump did this one thing - decriminalize and leave it to the states - this would be the one thing that would fully and instantly derail his opposition.
grokit
well-worn member
It's part of their reversal on private prisons; they need 'criminals' to make a profit on them.
"It's economic incentive to keep marijuana illegal"
"It's economic incentive to keep marijuana illegal"
Except pharmas game plan is based on it being an Rx based drug. Because we can't be trusted with the stuff on our own.
Deleted Member 1643
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That's the phrase, thanks. Wasn't long ago thought we were in the clear on press freedom, etc.
The same guy who was caught bragging about groping women days before the last election?
![:\](/i/s/hmm.gif "Hmm :\")
The beauty of prison is that prisoners don't vote in the US., only Sessions' "good people" get to vote. Who's that gonna help? Making a profit on top is pure evil genius.
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grokit
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Baron23
Well-Known Member
Removing any rights from a citizen is proscribed except via due process in the judicial system at which time they can be remanded to the custody of the state.
I don't see private, for profit prisons fitting into this concept AT ALL.
I have opposed privately owned commercial prisons since the idea was first floated.
Conservative is one thing, that little fascist Sessions is another.
I don't see private, for profit prisons fitting into this concept AT ALL.
I have opposed privately owned commercial prisons since the idea was first floated.
Conservative is one thing, that little fascist Sessions is another.
CarolKing
Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
Maybe there is still hope that Sessions might go down. We will wait and see. Looks like he lied during confirmation hearings..
Legal cannabis would be in a better place if Sessions was out of the way.
Sessions spoke twice with Russian ambassador during Trump's presidential campaign, Justice officials say - The Washington Post
Washington Post › world › 2017/03/01
12 mins ago -
Legal cannabis would be in a better place if Sessions was out of the way.Sessions spoke twice with Russian ambassador during Trump's presidential campaign, Justice officials say - The Washington Post
Washington Post › world › 2017/03/01
12 mins ago -
Deleted Member 1643
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Great article, thanks. Didn't see it right away, but Sessions is key to this administration, along with Bannon. Should build momentum for a real investigation. What's going on with Russia?
Al Franken!
BabyFacedFinster
Anything worth doing, is worth overdoing.
Maybe there is still hope that Sessions might go down. We will wait and see. Looks like he lied during confirmation hearings..
Sessions spoke twice with Russian ambassador during Trump's presidential campaign, Justice officials say - The Washington Post
Washington Post › world › 2017/03/01
12 mins ago -
Yes, but supposedly Franken asked if he knew of anyone that made contact with the Russian's during Trump's campaign. He claims the contacts were before he was on the campaign and thus didn't technically lie. Dems are calling foul.
I would love to see Sessions go down on this, but it didn't seem too promising from the article I read, unfortunately. Maybe the story will change.
My belief on this "crackdown" is that they will continue to be vague, and every now and then send out a group of thugs to shut down a dispensary that they'll claim is a front for the black market.
They won't have the balls to come out and say exactly what will happen in the various States. That will cause them to exhaust resources on all the court injunctions they'll need to deal with. You already have several democratic governors and AG's saying they don't support a crackdown.
So he's gonna tell the most liberal of States what they will and won't do? He's gonna tell them that their silly citizen referendums don't matter?
I think not! You kicked a beehive sir.
No way can they fuck with the legality of it in the legal States. All they can disrupt is the sale of it. All the more reason to grow your own if possible.
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grokit
well-worn member
Could cannabis be the catalyst for the breakup of the united states?
I remember reading that without california, trump wins the popular vote by three million.
And of course his electoral college victory would have been in landslide territory.
California Just Approved a Petition to Put Calexit on the Ballot
"a marijuana farm in every backyard"
I remember reading that without california, trump wins the popular vote by three million.
And of course his electoral college victory would have been in landslide territory.
California Just Approved a Petition to Put Calexit on the Ballot
"a marijuana farm in every backyard"
seaofgreens
My Mind Is Free
I dunno guys, Fox News makes it out to be nothing. (Regarding Sessions and Russia.)
And we all know which is apparently the "real," news. Right?
And we all know which is apparently the "real," news. Right?
sickmanfraud
Well-Known Member
Big Pharma was instrumental to making cannabis a schedule 1 drug (no known medical benefit) just like crack, crystal meth and LSD.
Heroin and Cocaine have medicinal benefits so they are schedule 2.
I wonder how the Government folks FDA, surgeon general, Health and Human services can look at this travesty and keep these controls in place??"
BabyFacedFinster
Anything worth doing, is worth overdoing.
It now looks like the only hope for the near future is to convince Congress to change the federal laws on cannabis. Trump can't be trusted and Sessions is deaf to any sense of reason. Time would be wasted on trying to convince them otherwise.
It is now in the hands of the federal legislators that support legalization and the lobbyists that can sway others.
Cannabis will never catch a break. It will always have a hard existence, and will always need to fought for. Luckily, cannabis is endearing to so many and has quite a following.
It is now in the hands of the federal legislators that support legalization and the lobbyists that can sway others.
Cannabis will never catch a break. It will always have a hard existence, and will always need to fought for. Luckily, cannabis is endearing to so many and has quite a following.
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TeeJay1952
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@BabyFacedFinster Don't forget money, glorious money. The lifeblood of any politician.
mitchgo61
I go where the thrills are
It now looks like the only hope for the near future is to convince Congress to change the federal laws on cannabis. Trump can't be trusted and Sessions is deaf to any sense of reason. .
As of now, Sessions has bigger problems. Much, much bigger. Like staying out of prison.
Baron23
Well-Known Member
It wouldn't hurt my feelings to see him (Sessions) go.Maybe there is still hope that Sessions might go down. We will wait and see. Looks like he lied during confirmation hearings..
Sessions spoke twice with Russian ambassador during Trump's presidential campaign, Justice officials say - The Washington Post
Washington Post › world › 2017/03/01
12 mins ago -
I live in DC and saw that in this morning's WoPo. Couldn't happen to a nicer fascist.
Sessions' appointment was a great disappointment and quite upsetting to me.
I'm neithrer a fan of sedition or secession and would oppose that with all of my energy and might, personally speaking.
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Deleted Member 1643
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Wasn't he an architect of this administration's policies and counted upon to enforce them?A topic for another thread, but can't resist. Is it so surprising that a very large, economically self-sufficient state might develop it's own distinct, identifying values? Isn't this precisely what the new nationalism promotes? Why wouldn't Trumpists embrace California's secession? (Ideologically, that is.)
grokit
well-worn member
I agree with the spirit of your post, just a slight correction... heroin is definitely schedule one.
I think that heroin should be on schedule two just like cannabis, it would save lives.
All of the even stronger rX opiates already are on schedule two.
BabyFacedFinster
Anything worth doing, is worth overdoing.
As of now, Sessions has bigger problems. Much, much bigger. Like staying out of prison.
That would be awesome to watch. Of course, Trump would just stick some other prohibitionist in his place. Like was just said earlier, this is driven by money, so they'd find someone else to be their mule.
yogoshio
Annoying Libertarian
Just curious, but HRC lied under oath, and everyone here didn't care. Is it just the party difference?
Not sure where you're getting that idea.
http://www.sfchronicle.com/politics...400-billion-debt-worries-analysts-6812264.php
Not sure where you're getting that idea.
http://www.sfchronicle.com/politics...400-billion-debt-worries-analysts-6812264.php
grokit
well-worn member
Debt is a separate issue from the fact that california pays more to than it gets from the feds.
Deleted Member 1643
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Economic self-sufficiency isn't essential to California developing its own distinct identity, but it would help with actually seceding. Could be wrong about it being able to go it alone successfully. Up to Californian's to decide whether it's worth the risk, if it moves forward, which is admittedly unlikely. Still, an idealogical dilemma for nationalists.