The Summit by Vapium (Formerly MARK 1)

I actually really like the use if USB-C.

It's going to become the new standard for everything, imo the faster things adapt the better. I really don't like the attitude of "until it's everywhere, I don't want it anywhere." It just makes for a longer time when a few of our devices are using one port while the rest use another.

Vapium said:

We apologise for the delay. We are now on and ready for your questions.

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"Still would like to know if the Plus buzzes when entering standby." There is a firmware update through the APP that now adds in this feature.

Just recieved my replacement summit from vapeworld. They sent me a brand new one instead of repairing my old one. Can't complain.

The new one has the new USB port, vibrates on turning on, reaching temp and now shutoff too. It also comes with 2 oil pads now for concentrate. Not sure if I'm going to try them though. Seem like might be messy.

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"Still would like to know if the Plus buzzes when entering standby." There is a firmware update through the APP that now adds in this feature.

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It does, or at least mine does, 'out of the box'. The 'buzz code' is different, although I suspect the app will let you change them further. Now two buzzes at turn on and turn off. Still 3 when you make temperature. But now one buzz for time out, and one buzz if you restart (remember, two on power up.....).

The unit is slightly bigger 'in all directions'. That is it's about .1 inches taller, wider and longer. The side profiles is about the same so there is a bigger 'flat top'. Nothing mechanical seems to interchange, including the buttons......the logo in the new one is 'backwards' (taller peak on the right), or maybe it's the original? It's also 20 grams or so heavier, 108 against 88 in my case. Really only noticeable if you have one in each hand I think.

The MP is much different (although they 'look alike'), it has a smaller metal tube that goes inside the internal tube leading to the bowl, not outside it like before. And it's longer. It should stay in place better (not that I ever had a problem with the original). The top cover, OTOH, is not as secure. You can now very easily push it off from the sides (the new metal liner of the lid helps this, as does removing the 'peg and hole' of the original. This, I think, can be a problem. I have had it come open in a coat pocket once, not a happy thing. It comes with a heavy rubber band (complete with logo), but that strikes me as a PITA for routine use. Time will tell, but like the USB C connector an 'improvement' I'm not sold on yet.

The foll plate that makes up the bottom of the bowl has also changed. It now has a single ring of holes near the edge with 15 more tightly packed in the center (over the tube to the MP). My guess is this will give less restriction as the unit fouls in use?

There is definitely a bigger battery, it took much longer to 'top up' the half charge it came with and after several 'sessions' it's still showing 4/4 for battery level, something the original never did. Battery life would seem to be much improved.

IMO useful improvements in two key areas we asked for: warning on timeout and more battery life. I've yet to be convinced the port change is a step forward, I've got maybe 20 vapes, flashlights and whatnot that use mini or micro USBs, but this is the only USB C. While the charging cable it comes with is nice, I've ordered others since I don't always charge at the desk (I'll need another for the glove compartment and 'power bank' for field recharges). It's also important, I think, to have a second cable available to ward off 'funny cable issues'? The bowl cover being less secure is, by my experience, a negative. I've only had one accident (out of not too many uses), but when that happened I wished the lid was more secure, not less.

In the main, more positives than negatives I think. In the 'only have one' case, I'd go with the newer one to get the alert on time out and more battery life.

BTW, good old Randy at PIU didn't have to wait long to get my money when he offered the "VS20" code for a 20% discount Monday morning. Nor did he dally about, I jumped on it Monday when I got the good word and had in in hand Wednesday! Not sure how you beat that. A full charge/overcharge and I'm using it early Thursday.....

OF

OK, I've been using the new version for a day or so now, long enough to need charging again.......

I just confirmed something I'd like any other Members who have both models to verify if you would: The new version is VERY much slower from a 'cold start'?

I charged both, cleaned them and loaded with the same herb in the same way. Each was set to the fourth step, 374F IIRC. This is where I've used the old one for some time now. They started together and 'made temperature' within a second of each other (a bit under a minute I think). The first one hadn't completed it's 3 beeps before the second place one started.

However, the old one was 'right there' with a full heavy hit. Not so the new, very thin. In fact when the session timed out and went to standby it still wasn't 'firing on all four'. I had suspected that the temperature was just lower on the new one, but setting it up a notch eventually got hotter than I expected (if I let it soak enough). And in the startup race they were basically tied so I think the bowl walls (what's regulated) really do reach the same temperature. But I think the new steel lid is sinking heat back out of the load as it's transferred in below. Until it's fully up to temperature vapor production will be lower than the old version. The non metallic (and therefore better insulator) old version is more like a blanket than a heatsink?

If anyone else has one of each, please repeat this and let us know? TIA.

So, as of now, my revised opinion is while the new one has some nice improvements (more battery, on board tool, better alarms, and abillity to 'fine tune' stuff on the app) it seems that in the unit's primary 'strong suit' (at least IMO), the ability to turn it on and quickly and discretely grab a hit or two on the sly, it's a big step backwards. By the time it gives you a solid hit from cold, the old version would be back in your pocket, shut down and cooling off........

OF

Thanks for the thoughtful reviews, OF. I'm still using the OG and just might until next year....or longer.

My VAS has passed.

Sungodv said:

Thanks for the thoughtful reviews, OF.

My VAS has passed.

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Yer welcome. Not to worry, VAS isn't linear. It's still out there, active, at this very moment it's probably sneaking up on you again from a different direction, stand by to duck.......

You'd just waste the money on fast women and false drugs anyway?

Regards,

OF

OF said:

But I think the new steel lid is sinking heat back out of the load as it's transferred in below. Until it's fully up to temperature vapor production will be lower than the old version. The non metallic (and therefore better insulator) old version is more like a blanket than a heatsink?


OF

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Can this be tested by trading the lids from the old one to the +?


Seems like a reasonable assessment, I've actually been only using the + here as a session vape its never felt like a fast to puff tool.

Dramma Lamma said:

Can this be tested by trading the lids from the old one to the +?


Seems like a reasonable assessment, I've actually been only using the + here as a session vape its never felt like a fast to puff tool.

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No (or I'd have tried it....). As I said, basically no parts interchange. The new one is a bit larger and different in most/all details?

As a session vape I think it's OK, but I think the key feature of the original (quick hit or two on the sly and back to the tasks of the day) got lost somehow. I think back to the early advertisement of the rock climber enjoying a quick 'top up' hit mid climb......not a realistic use with the plus I think.

I suspect, over time, my original will see more use for this reason.

OF

I had to send my unit back as it stopped charging. Vape world is sending me the summit plus back. Besides becoming less of a ripper and more of a sipper, are there further cons? I don't even think that's too much of a drawback, esp with more battery capacity it is contrary not to.

Vapium said:

"...There is a firmware update through the APP that now adds in this feature.

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Anybody know how many vibrations it gives when entering stand by?

Sungodv said:

Anybody know how many vibrations it gives when entering stand by?

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Yes, I do. And so do you. Or you did when you thanked me five posts up for the answer two above that????? I just checked again, still the same.

It beeps once entering standby. Twice for power on or off, and 3 times when reaching temperature.

OF

@OF I believe that the new Boundless CFC is worthy of another look to surpass the Summit in several important areas.

The CFC does not have haptic feedback, but it does have 20 second heat up time and a battery that is supposed to last for up to 90 minutes of vaping.

The Summit has one major advantage. The Summit has the small plastic cover for the mouthpiece to lessen the effects of a hot mouthpiece on the lips. The CFC gets uncomfortably hot.

The CFC is also less expensive.

I am hoping to do a side by side review in the near future.

Right you are OF, I may have missed it the first time...not sure. I see it now.

I have been away from Cannabis for a while now. That Da Vinci IQ sure looks cool.

Sungodv said:

Right you are OF, I may have missed it the first time...not sure. I see it now.

I have been away from Cannabis for a while now. That Da Vinci IQ sure looks cool.

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Not to worry, you got it now and that's what matters.

Bummer about the estrangement, I hope you're fixing that annoying detail. I don't know the IQ, but given my experience with Ascent I'd sure expect a solid unit from them. Good luck with it.

OF

It looks pretty nice, the IQ. Still too much for my tight rear end to spend on a vape. Yeah, had to abstain while job hunting. Who would think that I could stay away from the herb and even serve it to my wife for three months??
Never could leave it alone in my 20s.

Hello fellow vaporists.

I see this unit locally used at a good price.

Would someone please be kind enough to answer these two questions?
-How might this unit contrast with my arizer air?
-How reliable are these units generally (trying to decide how much risk is involved in buying used)

olivianewtonjohn said:

-How might this unit contrast with my arizer air?
-How reliable are these units generally (trying to decide how much risk is involved in buying used)

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I'd say it's faster and WAY more discrete than Air. Air shades it on taste (but not by a lot IMO) and battery life. IMO it's not a solid session vape, although you can use it as such, it really shines in the 'grab a quick hit or two on the sly' venue. IMO they complement each other, I have and use both.

They seem to be pretty reliable, I don't recall problems......for sure not commonly. If this is the original version (no cleaning tool onboard) it is a bit smaller, faster but has about half the battery life. Overall I prefer the original Summit to the new Summit +.

If it comes at anything like a good price I suggest you give it a try, you can always resell it? Not that I think that's all that likely.......

OF

I am thinking the original Summit is better than the Plus too. Not sure what they were thinking going with a semi-proprietary cable. Kind of defeats the inherent mobile nature they try to portray. That said, I don't ever take my Ver 1 out of the house anyway....

Sungodv said:

Not sure what they were thinking going with a semi-proprietary cable. Kind of defeats the inherent mobile nature they try to portray.

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With you there. They said (earlier in this thread) they did it so the cable can be plugged in either way (no 'up or down'), which I guess makes sense. While I've got a dozen or more mini and micro USB cables, I had to order more of these so I could have a station just for the new Summit on my charging rig

The plus model brings some welcome improvements like bigger battery and vibration warnings that it had timed out and is going cold in your pocket. But, in the process, it got a bit bigger in every way (including weight), slower to heat up to vapor and got a 'charging connector issue' resolved I didn't even know existed?

FWIW I'm finding the DT Gen 2 herb cart on a suitable 'mod' to power it has replaced the Summit in the 'grab a quick hit on the sly and get back to the day' duty. "All glass" vapor path (glazed ceramic) and vapor under 20 seconds from cold. Cheaper (under $100 total) if not as elegant, and gives you the option of a smaller package (fixed internal battery like Summit) or a slightly bigger mod that takes 18650 cells so you can swap in fresh batteries 'all day long' if that's what fits your pistol.

Both are useful of course, but I think Gen 2 is worth considering as it can fulfill most of the Summit functions (work in the same role) but with extra advantages for less bucks.

OF

OF said:

With you there. They said (earlier in this thread) they did it so the cable can be plugged in either way (no 'up or down'), which I guess makes sense. While I've got a dozen or more mini and micro USB cables, I had to order more of these so I could have a station just for the new Summit on my charging rig

The plus model brings some welcome improvements like bigger battery and vibration warnings that it had timed out and is going cold in your pocket. But, in the process, it got a bit bigger in every way (including weight), slower to heat up to vapor and got a 'charging connector issue' resolved I didn't even know existed?

FWIW I'm finding the DT Gen 2 herb cart on a suitable 'mod' to power it has replaced the Summit in the 'grab a quick hit on the sly and get back to the day' duty. "All glass" vapor path (glazed ceramic) and vapor under 20 seconds from cold. Cheaper (under $100 total) if not as elegant, and gives you the option of a smaller package (fixed internal battery like Summit) or a slightly bigger mod that takes 18650 cells so you can swap in fresh batteries 'all day long' if that's what fits your pistol.

Both are useful of course, but I think Gen 2 is worth considering as it can fulfill most of the Summit functions (work in the same role) but with extra advantages for less bucks.

OF

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@OF,

For a quick "hit and run" (the good kind) I suggest you look into the Boundless CFC. Temps are adjustable in 1 degree increments. Super fast heat up time. For "hit and run" the CFC shines. Trying to use up a completely full oven at one time as a session vape may lead one to long for the mouthpiece cover found on the Summit.

During a session the mouthpiece of the CFC gets HOT, not warm, Hot (at least to my lips). Grabbing a couple of hits, IMO is easier on the CFC and I am feel more secure leaving the CFC loaded than the Summit.

sickmanfraud said:

@OF,

For a quick "hit and run" (the good kind) It suggest you look into the Boundless CFC. Temps are adjustable in 1 degree increments. Super fast heat up time. For "hit and run" the CFC shines.

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Thanks for the tip. I did look into it not long ago (about the time Randy at PIU offered a tasty discount......go figure....). I was compared (not to favorably?) to the Air? It's fast for sure, 18 seconds to 360F, but Gen 2 is not only up to a higher temperature (390F) but is making solid vapor at that point so I think I have that covered well for a fraction of the price. I'm not sure about the value of one degree steps when they claim that at the end of the session (when conduction has had time) the center load temperature is ten degrees over the set value? I was also kind of put off with the claims of 'combination convection (at first) and conduction (later on in the session)' as a mode (which can't happen at the same temperature......), but marketing is what it is. And 'buzz words' sell.

Not that I'm a flavor snob I don't take the 'not all glass' part too lightly, no need to give up a feature 'for nothing'???? And the heat buildup is a concern.

I'll keep an eye on it for sure, but IMO I'm already doing at least as good a job with smaller, cheaper gear I already own. Hopefully a fellow Member (you perhaps?) will take the plunge and let us know what the bottom line is relative to the other choices out there?

One thing sure, this technology is in play big time. Lots of excellent gear out there, and serious efforts are being made to offer even better to us at lower prices? How cool is that? Friends and neighbors we're walking in tall cotton indeed.

OF

@OF,

I think you may have your vapes mixed up (or I do) but the CFC is $90 retail. It has a temp range to 230 C 460F.
http://www.puffitup.com/Boundless-CFC-p/bound.cfc.htm

I disagree with USB C being an odd or semi-proprietary connector. Most of my friends have USB C already. Its becoming pretty common, and honestly pretty forward thinking of the company to use it. USB C is superior to micro USB in almost every way IMO (except for being less common at the moment). Go buy pretty much any flagship android phone and it will have USB C. True the iphones dont have it, but prior iphones never had micro usb either. Most laptops and tablets are starting to incorporate USB C as well (even Apple).

Is it because the Summit works so well that the thread is dead? Vapium isn't posting anymore either...