Silicone storage container safety.

lazylathe · Dec 28, 2016

Thought i would share this post from Reddit here as it seemed very interesting to me.
What silicone does to concentrates etc...
I do not have experience with concentrates so do not know the reality of this on the small amounts of silicone we use to store our concentrates in.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CannabisExtracts/comments/5kq3zv/silicone_containers/

It starts to get good about halfway down!

ginolicious · Dec 28, 2016

Very interesting. I guess I'm going to save my money and only use parchment paper from now on.

2clicker · Feb 20, 2017

thought this was a good thread to bring back up as i am looking to stop using silicone all together.

@herbivore21... can you post some info on the silicone mold issue you were discussing in another thread?

natural farmer · Feb 20, 2017

lazylathe said:
Thought i would share this post from Reddit here as it seemed very interesting to me.
What silicone does to concentrates etc...
I do not have experience with concentrates so do not know the reality of this on the small amounts of silicone we use to store our concentrates in.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CannabisExtracts/comments/5kq3zv/silicone_containers/

It starts to get good about halfway down!

So wouldn't a good soak in some fat make these industrial solvents leach in it and then we are good to go? In some coconut oil maybe or olive oil? My logic says we are only talking about the surface of the silicone touching the concentrates leaching chemicals, not the whole mass of it, right? I mean, those solvents are trapped in the spaggheti, they don't travel inside it...

damm · Feb 21, 2017

It's been slightly touched in Hydrocarbon how to handle?

rodders83 · Feb 22, 2017

No Goo is limonen then that stuff removes sticky stuff like a champ! Cueks though i swear i disliked Silicone as much as i disliked plastic but because i never have access i never bothered thinking about it. But i think even if i had the coating on parchments bothers me too.

Why not just use glass and melt off the bits that stick? Is the loss that much? I would not put a price on my health this is why big prices and prohibition fucks people over and thier health because they use chemicals and silicone containers just to get the most efficency or not have any lost product. Just take the loss imo and fuck the chemicals.

damm · Feb 22, 2017

rodders83 said:
No Goo is limonen then that stuff removes sticky stuff like a champ! Cueks though i swear i disliked Silicone as much as i disliked plastic but because i never have access i never bothered thinking about it. But i think even if i had the coating on parchments bothers me too.

Why not just use glass and melt off the bits that stick? Is the loss that much? I would not put a price on my health this is why big prices and prohibition fucks people over and thier health because they use chemicals and silicone containers just to get the most efficency or not have any lost product. Just take the loss imo and fuck the chemicals.

That's the perk of when I pickup my Bubble Hash; sure it's 80$ a gram but it's a glass container. Heatup the dabber and pick up some and dab dab

I used scrape it out of the glass and ball it up but meh i'm tired of dosing it that way... still only 20 mins work but it's hard work

herbivore21 · Feb 22, 2017

damm said:
That's the perk of when I pickup my Bubble Hash; sure it's 80$ a gram but it's a glass container. Heatup the dabber and pick up some and dab dab

I used scrape it out of the glass and ball it up but meh i'm tired of dosing it that way... still only 20 mins work but it's hard work

If people are selling their bubble hash in plastic containers, especially full melt, then IMO that is enough to put me off of that extract artist's product. Why the fuck would you work so hard to isolate the glands only to store them so lazily in a way that is likely to adulterate and render the product unsafe? It shows contempt for the clientèle IMO.

No silicone nor plastic is ever acceptable for use storing full melt bubble hash. Especially if it is 'ice wax' (which in too many cases means 'not quite fully dried bubble hash which looks more buttery/waxy due to the moisture'). Resin with too much water in it is a nightmare in contact with almost, if not all polymers IME.

The polymers that don't visibly leach to begin with (like nitrile/PTFE) often still get torn and impossibly enmeshed in sticky/not quite fully dried hash slabs. This is also why folks have noticed that thicker PTFE is a must in rosin and storage, since the average thinner sheets of PTFE can still tear/rip easily in contact with sticky resin. :2c:

@2clicker sorry bro too busy to revisit and explain all of this. However, we should all be aware that silicone can indeed become a home for various molds, even the silicones that are said to be 'mold resistant' (like those commonly used in household kitchen/bathroom applications) can only hold off against the fungal hordes for so long! If material with mold spores comes into contact and the silicone has enough ambient humidity around it or moisture swelled up inside of it, you'll get mold growing on the surface of the silicone over time (silicone is a polymer which swells up with solvents, this is why silicone will stink of iso long after you've rinsed it over and over with hot water!).

IMO, vitreous storage vessels (glassy substances) are a must.

damm · Feb 22, 2017

herbivore21 said:
If people are selling their bubble hash in plastic containers, especially full melt, then IMO that is enough to put me off of that extract artist's product. Why the fuck would you work so hard to isolate the glands only to store them so lazily in a way that is likely to adulterate and render the product unsafe? It shows contempt for the clientèle IMO.

I have made the mistake of buying bubble hash in plastic. It was horrible; like a plexiglass container with a silicone lid.

herbivore21 said:
The polymers that don't visibly leach to begin with (like nitrile/PTFE) often still get torn and impossibly enmeshed in sticky/not quite fully dried hash slabs. This is also why folks have noticed that thicker PTFE is a must in rosin and storage, since the average thinner sheets of PTFE can still tear/rip easily in contact with sticky resin.

Yeah that's one of the reasons i stopped balling up my hash is I suspected I might have been dabbing a little of my gloves..

herbivore21 · Feb 22, 2017

damm said:
I have made the mistake of buying bubble hash in plastic. It was horrible; like a plexiglass container with a silicone lid.

Yeah that's one of the reasons i stopped balling up my hash is I suspected I might have been dabbing a little of my gloves..

You were wise to abandon balling up the hash if you were not sure about the gloves getting gooped up in it. Better safe than sorry bro

I can't believe such expensive product could be retailed like that, it is the sort of shit that gives the cannabis community such a difficult time being taken seriously by the general public. There is so much lazy stoner-stereotype-confirming retail practice going on in the legal MJ markets atm.

I'll also add that some in the abovementioned reddit thread are concerned about items used in the polymer manufacturing process to bind the silicone together leaching out into lipid filled terpy stuff like cannabis resin over time, which is also a valid potential concern.

damm · Feb 22, 2017

herbivore21 said:
You were wise to abandon balling up the hash if you were not sure about the gloves getting gooped up in it. Better safe than sorry bro

I can't believe such expensive product could be retailed like that, it is the sort of shit that gives the cannabis community such a difficult time being taken seriously by the general public. There is so much lazy stoner-stereotype-confirming retail practice going on in the legal MJ markets atm.

I'll also add that some in the abovementioned reddit thread are concerned about items used in the polymer manufacturing process to bind the silicone together leaching out into lipid filled terpy stuff like cannabis resin over time, which is also a valid potential concern.

This was posted over on reddit in /r/seaents ... fortunately I am doing better than some

i'm not sure if that's good

I found a rec shop that sells shatter at 35$/gram for a good brand. It's only on parchment paper but it's not leaking through... it's not sticking to it like they're married

Sometimes it's just too damned hard to be safe.

Edit: They used Zinc Oxide on that. When they don't use Talc on the Silicone modes they use Zinc Oxide.

herbivore21 · Feb 22, 2017

damm said:
This was posted over on reddit in /r/seaents ... fortunately I am doing better than some i'm not sure if that's good

I found a rec shop that sells shatter at 35$/gram for a good brand. It's only on parchment paper but it's not leaking through... it's not sticking to it like they're married

Sometimes it's just too damned hard to be safe.

Edit: They used Zinc Oxide on that. When they don't use Talc on the Silicone modes they use Zinc Oxide.

I've seen the same thing happen with Oil Slick Slick Stack containers in the past on solvent extracted shatter. Ugh!

MinnBobber · Feb 22, 2017

herbivore21 said:
....(silicone is a polymer which swells up with solvents, this is why silicone will stink of iso long after you've rinsed it over and over with hot water!)....

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So do the silicone pores swell up with solvents and then sort of close over the solvent? Is the solvent then trapped in a closed pore where you can keep smelling it or how is it trapped?

Is it kind of like a skin pore opening up with heat and then closing up again?

Would hotter water, like 190 F, open up the silicone pores, clean out/ get at the trapped ISO?

What is the best way to clean silicone----and asking for all silicone misc parts, not just silicone storage jars?
Silicone seems to really attract/ pick up particles from the air and holds those misc particles tight

Does a really mild Dawn detergent solution in very hot water clean and not leave Dawn residue? I'm talking 5 drops in a pint of water level.
Very curious about silicone properties

herbivore21 · Feb 22, 2017

MinnBobber said:
.................................................
So do the silicone pores swell up with solvents and then sort of close over the solvent? Is the solvent then trapped in a closed pore where you can keep smelling it or how is it trapped?

Is it kind of like a skin pore opening up with heat and then closing up again?

Would hotter water, like 190 F, open up the silicone pores, clean out/ get at the trapped ISO?

What is the best way to clean silicone----and asking for all silicone misc parts, not just silicone storage jars?
Silicone seems to really attract/ pick up particles from the air and holds those misc particles tight

Does a really mild Dawn detergent solution in very hot water clean and not leave Dawn residue? I'm talking 5 drops in a pint of water level.
Very curious about silicone properties

IME pressurized steam is the best way to clean silicone, but nothing completely cleans it when it gets really gunked up.

Hot water at temps exceeding the boiling point of water (and the 190f you suggest above) will not get it completely clean IME. I have tried many such experiments.

I would never, ever use detergents as they are usually based on lipids/oils and hence can be expected to suffer from the same problems with swelling etc. You cannot be sure you'll ever get it out.

2clicker · Feb 23, 2017

herbivore21 said:
If people are selling their bubble hash in plastic containers, especially full melt, then IMO that is enough to put me off of that extract artist's product. Why the fuck would you work so hard to isolate the glands only to store them so lazily in a way that is likely to adulterate and render the product unsafe? It shows contempt for the clientèle IMO.

No silicone nor plastic is ever acceptable for use storing full melt bubble hash. Especially if it is 'ice wax' (which in too many cases means 'not quite fully dried bubble hash which looks more buttery/waxy due to the moisture'). Resin with too much water in it is a nightmare in contact with almost, if not all polymers IME.

The polymers that don't visibly leach to begin with (like nitrile/PTFE) often still get torn and impossibly enmeshed in sticky/not quite fully dried hash slabs. This is also why folks have noticed that thicker PTFE is a must in rosin and storage, since the average thinner sheets of PTFE can still tear/rip easily in contact with sticky resin.

@2clicker sorry bro too busy to revisit and explain all of this. However, we should all be aware that silicone can indeed become a home for various molds, even the silicones that are said to be 'mold resistant' (like those commonly used in household kitchen/bathroom applications) can only hold off against the fungal hordes for so long! If material with mold spores comes into contact and the silicone has enough ambient humidity around it or moisture swelled up inside of it, you'll get mold growing on the surface of the silicone over time (silicone is a polymer which swells up with solvents, this is why silicone will stink of iso long after you've rinsed it over and over with hot water!).

IMO, vitreous storage vessels (glassy substances) are a must.

van you speak to the microscope slide storage you use? i can get good quality boro slides dirt cheap.

can you explain how they "store"? im really curious as to how this physically works. do you sandwich the errl between two slides? and then where does that sandwich go into? something airtight i would imagine, but what and how?

thanks blood

damm · Mar 18, 2017

I found out that the Bubble Hash I've been getting has been using

Thick Wall Glass Concentrate Jars Child Resistant Glass

Thick wall Glass Concentrate Jars Glass

So if you can handle the plastic lid and a glass bottom; you have pretty cheap choices (under 1$/each)

Silicone storage container safety.

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