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biohacker

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Thanks @OF, always nice to see you around the threads! I don't understand how the Vortex doesn't mate with water tools? They are designed for this purpose, no? I was going to go with the 18mm gong. Am I high on something other than flowers? lol
 
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biohacker said:
Thanks @OF, always nice to see you around the threads! I don't understand how the Vortex doesn't mate with water tools? They are designed for this purpose, no? I was going to go with the 18mm gong. Am I high on something other than flowers? lol
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You're welcome, glad to help when I can.

No, it doesn't always fit WTs, it usually fits your mouth on the deliver end:
http://www.planetvape.ca/pvhes-high-efficiency-vortex-stems-for-air-and-solo.html

If you want to use a WT with a GonG fitting, you'll need a stem that ends in an appropriate fitting. You can buy the vortex version:
http://www.planetvape.ca/pvhegong-vortex-high-efficiency-gong-for-air-and-solo.html

But it's more bucks than the standard:
http://www.planetvape.ca/pvhegong-high-efficiency-gong.html

and comes with thicker walls that actually slow the show down. Your call, but my advice is to steer clear of the Vortex with WT use. I found mine pretty useless compared to the more usual version, I gave it away a while back.

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Thanks again @OF, yes the gong version...i figured it would be thicker so stronger and less likely to break, and actually cooled the vapour down further? Are you saying that it impedes airflow more than the regular pvhes? Just kinda turned off the regular pvhes since the arizer's switchover to laser cut tiny holes on glass plates vs PV house made.
 
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biohacker said:
Thanks again @OF, yes the gong version...i figured it would be thicker so stronger and less likely to break, and actually cooled the vapour down further? Are you saying that it impedes airflow more than the regular pvhes? Just kinda turned off the regular pvhes since the arizer's switchover to laser cut tiny holes on glass plates vs PV house made.
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No, I'm saying thicker glass transports heat slower......the thinner ones make more vapor faster, which I assume is the goal?

Thin glass conducts faster than thick.

Being as the glass heated by hot vapor has to conduct that heat out again, being thicker it's also going to give hotter vapor (assuming all else equal)......right?

Your call, you asked for advice, mine remains the same.

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Those vapes that have been exploding and hurting people really badly are mostly e cig pen vapes yeah? I was wondering if it would be possible for a solo to explode whist using it? Mine seems to get very hot sometimes after a few sessions in a row.

Is it possible for the battery in a solo to explode? Would the casing contain it a bit if it did explode?
 
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VapeHeadz said:
I was wondering if it would be possible for a solo to explode whist using it? Mine seems to get very hot sometimes after a few sessions in a row.

Is it possible for the battery in a solo to explode? Would the casing contain it a bit if it did explode?
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All things are possible as the saying goes. In this case I suspect it's extremely unlikely. Assuming factory packs, of course. First off there's an industry standard protection PCB, same as in laptops and such. Ever hear of them exploding? There's also no danger of overheating (in theory) since the factory pack includes a 'thermal fuse' (protection) set at 70C IIRC. No matter how hot it might seem, the battery pack automatically disconnects when it gets hot.

The e-cigs I've disassembled had neither of these safety features......more toward the 'cheap (unregulated) junk' end of things IMO.

Should you vent in Solo, the base would no doubt blow out at the four tabs, leaving you holding the smoking tube (vape body) wondering what happened. While poorer for the cost of the replacement, you should be unharmed.......laundry or underwear costs not withstanding. IMO another credible level of protection built in.

I suggest you dismiss the worry here, Solo is for enjoying?

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Yeah, not really too worried about it but was just curious really.

Thanks for a great answer. My imac gets very hot as well (it's summer over here in Australia) and nothing bad happens.

I certainly enjoy my solo, I just ordered a 115mm FlowMaster Stem for Arizer Solo and Air
from my online vape shop, I've only ever used the two stock standard stems (straight and bent) so I am looking forward to trying it out.
 
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As a former chemistry student I just wanted to quickly add to the discussion:

my understanding of the battery-related (lithium-ion, specifically) explosions is that it stems from the electrolyte liquid used in the battery.

To make things as simple as possible, li-ion batteries work as follows: you have an anode on one side, a cathode on the other. As the battery is used, ions move from the former to the latter. As it's charged, the reaction is reversed, and the ions flow from the cathode to the anode. In order for this to occur, an electrolyte solution must be present. These electrolytes are flammable! I can't recall the specific reason that these solutions are flammable but I do recall it being true for most (if not all) li-ion batteries.

At any rate, as you can see, there is an inherent risk with *any* li-ion battery.

But please don't let me scare you! A properly made li-ion battery is extremely unlikely to go boom. If you read up on various incidents of li-ions spontaneously exploding you'll see that in most instances there was an identified manufacturing flaw.

Needless to say, if there was an issue with the manufacturing and installation of the lithium-ion batteries in our Solos, we probably would've found out awhile ago. No sense in worrying about it but a fascinating question to explore nonetheless.
 
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ShiningRam said:
As a former chemistry student I just wanted to quickly add to the discussion:

my understanding of the battery-related (lithium-ion, specifically) explosions is that it stems from the electrolyte liquid used in the battery.

These electrolytes are flammable! I can't recall the specific reason that these solutions are flammable but I do recall it being true for most (if not all) li-ion batteries.

At any rate, as you can see, there is an inherent risk with *any* li-ion battery.
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Careful here, flammables start fires (like with the Galaxy cell phones) not explosions like with exploding e-cigs (although there may be fire there, too). The explosion part comes from the package, specifically the sealed steel can. Not all Li-ions are subject to violent explosions. The case needs to be fairly strong, since modest pressures are generated under some charging conditions (top end IIRC?), but it's extreme pressures we need to worry about. If you look under the positive end of 18650s you'll see the pressure safety (usually a piercing point and pressure diaphragm). The explosion comes from boiling not burning the electrolyte. Non flammables ones would blow up just as readily AFAIK.

The energy released in such an explosion comes from the stored energy in the battery charge, not the flammable nature I think. At the instant the case bursts and starts stuff flying, the fire (from the flammables) hasn't quite started yet since there was no Oxygen inside?

Tossing one into the campfire will probably get you the same spectacular results I'd think.

In traditional bombs, not only is there a flammable but an oxidizer inside like with Black Powder where the Carbon and Sulfur are fuels (flammables) and the Nitrates provide the necessary Oxygen. Here the rapidly burning gasses rapidly raise pressure enough to burst the housing. Firecrackers only go 'bang' with intact wrappers. Slice one open and it fizzles. In explosives like say TNT the 'flame front' is much faster, the energy coming instead from breaking chemical bonds rather than combustion. When this burn speed is faster than the speed of sound, air can't get out of the way fast enough, so no confinement is usually needed for an explosion. Many over 10,000 feet a second, while sound is about 1100.

But it's the confinement that makes an explosion here, the difference between your cell phone melting down and your e-cig blowing your teeth out and putting you in the Emergency Room. Same Chemistry, different Physics/Engineering.

That's how I understand it, anyway.

Regards to all.

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Alegre said:
That is a huge tease if i have ever seen one!!
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OK, so what's the message here? "Whatever you do don't buy one of our products until you see the new one...."? In the mean time, there are real competitors after those same dollars. Customers to lose?

Perhaps a better call is to spring it and hope even folks who just bought the existing models (and of course love them.....) will then jump on the new model.

Not my call, but makes little sense to me. The new display could be cool or just a 'me too' deal, nothing special. I'm fine with the Solo format but would welcome an upgrade on Air. Time will tell I guess.

In the mean time, I'd best email my friends and tell them not to buy a new Solo or Air right now.......

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I'm with OF on this...it only works if they release this in the short term. If they release this say summertime, it would take away from people who plan on buying a solo or air. This new unit has peaked my interest, even though my air is barely a month old, I trust in arizer to knock this one out of the park. It kinda looks davinchi inspired, from the little glimpse.
 
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Amazing.
Maybe this company steered away from videos, non-vague instructions etc for various reasons in the past. I hope what I'm seeing is really the start of a wave of acceptance that will continue worldwide!
And it looks like they slipped an interesting sentence into the Solo quick start video guide...
"For optimal convection heating and pure vapor, lightly tap the materials leaving a slight gap" (1mm gap)
It's good advice and I often wondered what was the best or even advised way to "gap" a load.

Really makes me smile how much guessing we are left with now!!
I'm sure it will be pleasant to live with!
More pleasant than a lot of devices maybe.
Looking forward to more updates or pictures!
 
CarolKing

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One thing with Arizer they don't dangle a carrot and not follow through, I'm excited. Maybe after my next log vape purchase I will buy this instead of a Grasshopper. Hmmm....Too bad we didn't see more, I'm intrigued.

I tried finding more info about this new unit - Arizer's lips seemed to be sealed. Curious minds want to know.....

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It would be great if these new portables were ready around 4/20/17.
 
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In light of this news I'm feeling very glad I went the route of refurbishing my old Solo in lieu of buying a new unit. I can't really pat myself on the back, though; yeah, I'm just as stoked as the next guy but I never saw this coming. Calling it a 'stroke of luck' would probably be the most accurate way to describe this situation. :)

At any rate -- hell yeah!

I'm optimistic, albeit cautiously, after many disappointments in the past (not from Arizer specifically, just in a general sense). That said, I have no reason to think they won't deliver. I'll wait patiently! :drool:
 
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blackstone said:
And it looks like they slipped an interesting sentence into the Solo quick start video guide...
"For optimal convection heating and pure vapor, lightly tap the materials leaving a slight gap" (1mm gap)
It's good advice and I often wondered what was the best or even advised way to "gap" a load.
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They also say that metal screens cause harsher vapour and poor taste. Which isn't the case IMO.
 
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