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The Extreme-Q Vaporizer

DevoTheStrange

Ia! Ia! Vapor Fthagn!
vape4life said:
I still don't understand the "efficiency" of elbow packs and how much more weed it saves compared to the bowl, etc.? Whether I use the elbow or the bowl, my vaped remains are nicely browned and fully utilized so how is the bowl wasted herb? Both provide ample amounts of thick vapour at the right temps, only the elbow helps gage usage a little more and requires no preheat time.

wallstreet said:
What I can say is this. By using the elbow, I can see how you can save more bud. At first , just like anything else, its been a new toy, and I have been "playing" with it considerably.

Thanks for all the advice. I might give the balloon a whirl soon.
The elbow pack method is more efficient because people tend to pack way less herb in the elbow than they would in the cyclone bowl to achieve the same desired effect. Takes much more herb in the cyclone bowl to give you the same kind of high you would get using the elbow pack method.
Using just the bowl is viewed as wasted herb because the high it gives from said bowl requires much more weed than it would if you just use the elbow.
you actually kind of answered your own question.
vape4life said:
only the elbow helps gage usage a little more and requires no preheat time.
Using the Elbow allows you to use the minimal amount of where you want to be. The bowl does not allow this so sometimes you can end up putting in more herb than you need
 
DevoTheStrange,

snatcher420

Well-Known Member
vape4life said:
I still don't understand the "efficiency" of elbow packs and how much more weed it saves compared to the bowl, etc.? Whether I use the elbow or the bowl, my vaped remains are nicely browned and fully utilized so how is the bowl wasted herb? Both provide ample amounts of thick vapour at the right temps, only the elbow helps gage usage a little more and requires no preheat time.

wallstreet said:
What I can say is this. By using the elbow, I can see how you can save more bud. At first , just like anything else, its been a new toy, and I have been "playing" with it considerably.

Thanks for all the advice. I might give the balloon a whirl soon.
Come on all you have to do is fill the cyclone bowl up with sweetleaf and then the elbow. Dump both out and you can see how much more leaf is used in the bowl as to the elbow..Which equals less used in elbow...With what is place in the bowl I can load 3 to 4 elbows. I've vaped for about 3 and half yrs now and I know for a fact that i use less now than i did before..I was burning 2 j's a day 3 on my day off..Now i'm lucky if i vape enough for 1 1/2 J a week. From just 1 elbow load i'll get 2 - 3 bags of vape set at 180c . 1 more after bumping up to 220c..I don't care to go higher temp than that.
 
snatcher420,

hereatlast

Well-Known Member
^^^ interesting. I don't think I used the elbow for bag filling ever, I think the Cyclone actually excels when the fan is blowing, although I generally did have to stir half-way through a bag.


Personally I hated the cyclone bowl, far too large IMO but it does do well w/ the fan under some circumstances. I think Arizer has a great unit, unfortunately I think the glass holds it back; I think there's more efficiency to be had from 3rd party accessories, at least IME. I switched from the Cyclone/Elbow combo. and haven't looked back :peace:
 
hereatlast,

vape4life

Banned for life
ok thanks guys for clearing that up. Yes, the elbow allows for about .2/.25g or so, and the bowl allows for probably up to a gram, so yes it's a smaller "container" HOWEVER to say that 1 elbow (.25g) gets you just as high as a 1/2 full (or more) bowl is a complete farce...HOW do you figure? Or are you just saying that if you put .25g in the bowl that it will be too "airy"?

I dunno, but personally .5g in the bowl gets me higher and for longer than a .25g elbow. Personally, in terms of efficiency, if it's going to help you use less because the bowl in the elbow is smaller, fine... but to say that you use less herbs isn't exactly accurate because that depends on what it takes to get YOU high.

With that said, I use elbows personally because I usually vape solo...however if I wanna REALLY feel it, I fill the cyclone, and as expected lasts much longer since there is MORE weed in it.
 
vape4life,

gramman

Well-Known Member
Huh. Well I have had my Q for about a week and can't really complain about efficiency. I think an elbow pack is great for when you are vaping solo. They also help thicken up your hits or bags. The cyclone bowl isn't an issue for me at all. I almost wonder if people are possibly packing it to tight, or packing it like a pipe bowl snug. Then I could definitely see it being inefficient, but only because its too tight.

I like to pre-heat the unit, drop a pinch in the bowl, let heat a minute, and start pulling. I get nice hits. They may not be super thick, but are great for just chilling. I definitely prefer the bag on 210-220 for those nice thick milky hits.

I will probably eventually try buying a different wand to improve my whip hits. But for now I am more than happy with the Q.
 
gramman,

gim

Well-Known Member
Wow. Why did I not try vaporizers before this?

I just want to thank this forum, in the end it was the best resource I found to research my first vape. I obviously ended up going with the Q after many nights of research, and I love it. I was dreading the eventual volcano purchase because I knew I wanted quality and had seen friends very cheap vapes. While searching for alternatives I came across this forum, and the Q.

What amazed me is the capability to simply breathe the air. There's virtually no harshness at all and I can go at my own pace.

I have not yet begun to experiment much with it, other than fan assisted whips are awesome.
The rest will come with time..
 
gim,

tdavie

Unconscious Objector
gim said:
I have not yet begun to experiment much with it, other than fan assisted whips are awesome.
The rest will come with time..
Here's something. I left my Extreme at g/f's house kinda permanently, and she keeps it on her nightstand. When watching TV or trying to get to sleep, she hits the power button, waits for it to come to temperature and then hits fan speed 1 on the remote. Takes her hit(s), and then turns it off.

No smoking in bed :)

Tom
 
tdavie,

Larams

Well-Known Member
Hello everyone, I'm also new to the forum and also a new owner of an extreme q. I just want to say thanks to all those who added there input to this thread. It helped me out a ton as I was trying to decide which vaporizer was right for me. I've had mine about a week and really like it so far. Still getting the hang of temps and how much get's the job done. The only question I have so far is what everyone does for bags?
Do you buy the kind Arizer sells or is there something cheaper that works? Not that I'm cheap really but I could see the bag cost adding up pretty quick because my 1st bag is already getting pretty gunked up inside and sticking to itself.
 
Larams,

gim

Well-Known Member
Larams- I have seen turkey basting bags suggested as cheap alternatives.
 
gim,

toxicc

E11001420
Here's the Da Buddha and my new Extreme-Q side by side. Very similar size, they go great together.

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Some people were saying that they got an Extreme manual with their unit, the manual i got is for the Extreme-Q.
 
toxicc,

vape4life

Banned for life
Extreme manuals were with the first batches of Q's...they must have printed the new Q ones. Also many Q's are NOT compatible with the battery pack....but the new ones should be. I had to send mine in.
 
vape4life,

ForbesDotCom

Well-Known Member
hereatlast said:
Personally I hated the cyclone bowl, far too large IMO but it does do well w/ the fan under some circumstances. I think Arizer has a great unit, unfortunately I think the glass holds it back; I think there's more efficiency to be had from 3rd party accessories, at least IME. I switched from the Cyclone/Elbow combo. and haven't looked back :peace:
Are you loving that vaporstore whip? Does it fit nice and snug on the Q? And does the regular bowl hold a good amount, or do you have to repack it a whole bunch?

I was looking at that whip kit with the VaporTower before i researched the Q.... but maybe i'll have to pick it up now if its so good. Thanks
 
ForbesDotCom,

vape4life

Banned for life
Are the bowls SUPPOSED to fit snug? With my old Q it was snug...with my new Q (battery compatible) the bowl is definitely not as snug and wiggles a little, but I figured that was the intent so the bowl wouldn't get "stuck" and possibly do damage... that's my rationalle anyways.

I also noticed my old Q had a rock solid temp and when I increased the temp it would just simply rise. My new Q sometimes is off/stuck by a degree and when I increase the temp, the readout shows that the temp actually drops significantly and then rises after that.

ForbesDotCom said:
hereatlast said:
Personally I hated the cyclone bowl, far too large IMO but it does do well w/ the fan under some circumstances. I think Arizer has a great unit, unfortunately I think the glass holds it back; I think there's more efficiency to be had from 3rd party accessories, at least IME. I switched from the Cyclone/Elbow combo. and haven't looked back :peace:
Are you loving that vaporstore whip? Does it fit nice and snug on the Q? And does the regular bowl hold a good amount, or do you have to repack it a whole bunch?

I was looking at that whip kit with the VaporTower before i researched the Q.... but maybe i'll have to pick it up now if its so good. Thanks
 
vape4life,

hereatlast

Well-Known Member
Couple things I've noticed about the VT whip, again all credit goes to FEAR420 for putting me on ;)

-There are two parts actually, each with screens. You fill up the bottom (or the top, turned upside down) and then screw the other piece on, what you have then is your product sandwiched, again the herb itself sits much closer to the element than the original cyclone

-Now that you mention it, the fit is SLIGHTLY different, after all it is the same joint size. The only discrepancy I've noticed between the VT fit and the cyclone fit is the following: every now and then the Cyclone would get sticky, causing a lot of people to pull a little too hard and damage the element (note: the theme seems to be that if the bowl gets stuck like that, wiggle it back and forth a little, DON'T twist), this has never been an issue with the VT. The VT then, fits very snugly but with no 'stickage.' (I think vape4life's rationale is right on, the wiggle while a little weird is for a reason)

-The amount you put in the VT piece is very variable, I've come to think of it as an elbow-pack type set-up with more variability in amount. What I mean is this, unlike the Cyclone bowl (and LIKE the elbow-pack) when you pack the VT, the material doesn't have an opportunity to move much, but it offers much more space than an elbow pack. I've put an elbow-pack's worth of herb in the VT and it worked, that said, you can also put close to a gram of product in the VT, something the elbow could never do.

-What I just wrote above should answer your question about constant repacking, not a problem (unless you choose to continually use a small amount of material). Here's a quick note on repacking: the VT gets HOT! Pulling the piece straight off the unit and trying to repack it will result in a prompt "ouch!" (or in my case, what the f#@% I'm a dummy!). The metal part of the piece gets REAL hot and that's the part you would generally use to unscrew the piece. All that said, just like the Cyclone, the glass on the bottom of the piece cools surprisingly quickly, and the metal actually does too. I've settled on waiting a minute or two to repack OR I now have a designated kitchen tool (looks like a rubber coaster, its really there to help the gf open hard-to-open glass jars) which I use to grab and unscrew the hot parts.


Whew, sorry for the long post but I hope that answers the question! Here's my consensus on the new piece: I've found that I usually use more material in one packing than I would in an elbow-pack; even though I'm using more at once I think I'm vaping more efficiently and overall more pleasantly now for a couple reasons.
First, the larger amount means that I repack less often, my high settles in before I'm reaching to repack I've found.
Next, even though I pack more at once, I pull more out of the herb in less hits, i.e. I'm taking bigger hits, than I would in the elbow-pack, my ABV has gotten a little darker (sure, I could do that with the elbow too I know). Actually, I think the VT excels when you put a little more in it, I've put a large amount in there a few times and its great for sitting around w/ friends. Still, I've conserved successfully a bunch of times by only using a small amount.
Finally, the VT offers a larger/milkier hit than I was ever able to get with the elbow (same bong). I think this last fact is mostly a function of the larger tubing that comes with the VT but the different surface area and lower-sitting location definitely plays a role, the inner diameter though is slightly wider.

Also, not a functional improvement but more aesthetic, the VT allows you to see the vapor pool up more when your hitting it. Because the VT has more empty space and a larger hole for the vapor/hot air to travel through you can watch the vapor swirl around and whatnot, shouldn't play a role in buying one but kinda cool.

Needless to say I'm happy with the purchase :lol: Hope that helps.
 
hereatlast,

ForbesDotCom

Well-Known Member
That was a great review!

Totally answered all of my questions. You might have persuaded me to finally get it... i've been looking at it for a while. thanks
 
ForbesDotCom,

the electrician

Well-Known Member
i dont know what bonus there is to gain from packing a whole gram in at once, unless that bowl will last you a whole day or something. and even then.

my method has worked wonders for me, and probably would for you too.
What you will need:
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1) A vaporiser with an 18.8mm ground glass joint surrounding the heating element. This is a common feature of any hands free box vaporiser (such as the vapor brothers) and many others (the extreme for example).

2a) An enlarging adapter with a 18.8mm female joint, depending on how small you want the bowl to be there are a choice of sizes it can reduce to. The one pictured is a 18.8 to 14.5mm, identical to this one. Other options are 12mm and 9.5mm (which I believe is the ID of most whip tubing).

b) I would suggest getting a downstem in addition to the 19 to 14 adapter to act as a wand and collect you a nice bit of resin. A lot of the impurities (plant matter thats fallen through) will collect in the adapter itself leaving more quality product in the downtsem.

3) a small screen, as small as you can find pretty much.

4) some tubing to make yourself a whip, luckily theres a thread all about it

5) a salt spoon for serving up weed



Instructions:
1) getting the screen into the right shape can be difficult, but I found the best way was to shape it around the blunt end of the glass stirrer that comes with the extreme.
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I managed to wedge it into place using a combination my little finger and a pen to steady it from beneath. Eventually it will look like this:
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2) fit the tubing into the downstem, or over the end of the adpater if youre on the 12 or 9.5mm route.
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3) take a heaped salt spoon of weed and load it up. Im guessing thats about 0.05g give or take.

4) temperature wise, in light of tdavies thread on the subject I like to use a constant 170 C, and get about 7 or 8 hits with visible exhale. For much thicker clouds turn it up to 195 C, you should get 3 power houses before it starts to give in.

5) its finished get wrecked. this will also work with bags if thats what you like



Whats the fucking point?
The majority of issues i have heard concerning the extreme stem from the gargantuan bowl, which can eat up all your weed and can be tricky to get a decent hit using the whip. Other styles of wand help reduce the problem, but still require far more weed than is necessary. with this method you can use as little as you like (im sure the famous 0.025g would work) and still results. there is no need to learn a method, or restrict yourself while inhaling; a fast draw will produce vapour faster and a slow draw will produce it more slowly.
 
the electrician,

hereatlast

Well-Known Member
Great Forbes I'm glad I could help!




Electrician, while packing a whole gram at once isn't in line with my normal usage, there is a bonus IMO. Actually, the bonus is more about the VT itself, I personally like the variability in amount I get with the piece. That said, what packing a gram in there has to offer for me is thick continuous vapor, with a few people and the vaporbonging set-up thats comes in handy (having 3+ people passing the bong around from an elbow-pack or a smaller amount expends the material pretty quick IME). I should mention that to fit a gram in there you have to pack tight, ultimately that means thicker hits than normal the first few hits as well. It also does last quite a long time, I've packed the piece tightly with just me and another person (normal usage) and didn't even finish off the bowl that night; either way its not something I do often. Packing that amount is just an option, packing as little as you want is also an option but probably wouldn't do what your approach does since its not 'cubing' the herb per se.




Ultimately it seems to me different strokes for different folks. Seems a lot of people can agree that gettin rid of that stock glass and going another route is the way to go.
 
hereatlast,

Persona Non Grata

turn on, tune in, hulk out
I dont see a need for modifying the glass. it works just fine.

electrician, points for ingenuity, I suppose. but it is unnecessary IMO. and are you using a Q? those temps you posted sound too low for a Q IME.

remember you can always just pack the elbow like half full or less... if your so concerned about fractions of a gram
 
Persona Non Grata,

vape4life

Banned for life
+1

Persona Non Grata said:
I dont see a need for modifying the glass. it works just fine.

electrician, points for ingenuity, I suppose. but it is unnecessary IMO. and are you using a Q? those temps you posted sound too low for a Q IME.

remember you can always just pack the elbow like half full or less... if your so concerned about fractions of a gram
 
vape4life,

steven22

Well-Known Member
any of the v3 owners feel left out and not cool anymore cause of the Q?... and that our non Q thread is sorta dead now.
 
steven22,

gramman

Well-Known Member
Loving the Q. Really is nice and quiet, no louder than a laptop fan even on high.

Just got through 1.5 elbows on the whip. Uh freaking great rips. No complaints here. Used under .5 grams for sure.
 
gramman,

the electrician

Well-Known Member
Persona Non Grata said:
remember you can always just pack the elbow like half full or less... if your so concerned about fractions of a gram
jesus christ no id never thought of that. i dont think any amount of logic or reason is going to penetrate here
 
the electrician,

Mr. Smoke No More

Can't stop the head rush!
Electrician, u put the herbs in the "wand" then put that on the element? Dude, not to start an argument, but are u not doing this then to increase the temp? If u want near combustions temps, why dont u buy a SSV or something that can do that, bc arizer designed the E so that it wouldnt, which i agree with as i think it is completely unnecessary. If u really wanted to solve the "gargantuan bowl" problem, wouldnt it just be better to have a glass blower make u a thinner, longer bow as to concentrate the air path through the herb better?

To say others have no logic is pretty insulting as well. I understand what you do, and respect it, but its not for me as i could get huge clouds out of my E v3, and can still get clouds out of my Q without all these modifications. My only problem with what u post is that you make it seem like these mods are essential for the Q to work great. I vape at 190C on the Q (175 for E v3), and if i wanted thicker hits i could just turn it up, but i dont want to bc thats too hot, as would be putting the herb right on the element (aka male joint sticking out of the E).
 
Mr. Smoke No More,

the electrician

Well-Known Member
Mr. Smoke No More said:
Electrician, u put the herbs in the "wand" then put that on the element? Dude, not to start an argument, but are u not doing this then to increase the temp? If u want near combustions temps, why dont u buy a SSV or something that can do that, bc arizer designed the E so that it wouldnt, which i agree with as i think it is completely unnecessary. If u really wanted to solve the "gargantuan bowl" problem, wouldnt it just be better to have a glass blower make u a thinner, longer bow as to concentrate the air path through the herb better?

To say others have no logic is pretty insulting as well. I understand what you do, and respect it, but its not for me as i could get huge clouds out of my E v3, and can still get clouds out of my Q without all these modifications. My only problem with what u post is that you make it seem like these mods are essential for the Q to work great. I vape at 190C on the Q (175 for E v3), and if i wanted thicker hits i could just turn it up, but i dont want to bc thats too hot, as would be putting the herb right on the element (aka male joint sticking out of the E).
if i want to burn my weed ill burn it, not set the temperature to 170, i dunno where that one came from. i dont have access to a glass blower to make me some fancy ass tubes, nor do i have the money. and nor do i suppose many others do, i wrote the guide so anyone could use it. why would i want to spend $300 more on another vaporiser when the one i have functions perfectly with minor adjustment? that kind of decision does lack frugal sense

the method i devised creates thick and consistent vapour at a low temperature using minimal weed and regardless of draw speed. isnt that what people want? yes you can do it with the initial set up but you can kiss your weed goodbye, and apparently you need to crank the temperature, which i dont think is favourable at all.

look man, im allowed to post my ideas i dunno why you have a problem with it. i didnt say you had to fucking do it, you can do as you please but it does solve every problem ive heard about the unit. moreover why cant i get frustrated when people refuse to listen to sense?
 
the electrician,

Mr. Smoke No More

Can't stop the head rush!
Whats the actual temp at the glass of the unit? I remember people saying they vaped salvia on it bc it was much hotter (had it at 260 too). Its cool dude, i was just saying they arent essential to the unit working well. Sure the extreme isn't 100% perfect, but no vape is. I'm sure you could further improve the efficiency of the vape, but i'm not really concerned with that as im not about to run out anytime soon and the elbow pack method suits me just fine. But maybe in the future who knows... Just saying not for everyone, kinda handy, but dont u also have your vape on a stand sideways? I just like to chill out and keep it simple.
:peace:
 
Mr. Smoke No More,
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