PLENTY Vaporizer

The nippel trick actually doesn't have to be done on the Volcano, because the bowl housing is smaller in diameter and the top screen keeps herb from moving. For some reason or another it wouldn't work efficiently for the Volcano (no advantage with the narrow path - much less visible vapor). It doesn't make sense with such a narrow vapor path and no difference in filling speed to fill a bag and not vaporizero the material. When I remove the reducer it does great and vapes evenly. That's why I'm asking so many questions, and it is so hard to place this order, because I also saw others on another forum who all got rid of their reducers with their Plenty, because they couldn't get their herbs to cook thoroughly in the reducer. They would have green/unevenly vaped bits, and they thought maybe it was better suited for the Volcano, but it does the same thing to me. I wonder how come some people it works and some people can't get it to really vape at all. So confused :/

Data point - the Plenty always has at least one gagger hit for me, where all of a sudden it's just too intense and I cough pretty heavily for a bit. It's usually the second or third hit, I suspect it's the residual vapor in the cooling coil giving my lungs a nice shock when i take it all in after it's been sitting for a bit. Haven't found that with the volcano, but I also use the volcano quite a bit less.

I ordered the Plenty, and went ahead and added the reducer, a pack of brushes (since one will solely be a kickstand), and a fine screen set to keep larger particles from getting in the tubing, or my chest, of course.

Attemped Volcano Reducer again: I tried the reduced capsule a bit ago to test the reduced chamber, again, and I got thick vapor for 1/2 of a bag at 446 degrees. I ran it again and did have very thin vapor I could not see in the bag, but could a bit on exhale. Took the capsule apart it was green with 0.1 in the capsule, and so I crushed it up see if it could reclaim after crumbling the dry materials and put the capsule back together. The reducer's metal heat soaked rather fast, and was extremely hot to touch the plastic housing. I hit the button for the fan and blew up a full bag. I took the capsule apart the 2nd time and it is still not done. It's a mix between tan and green AVB. Nice even brown in the larger chamber.

Why I still went with the reducer with the Plenty: The Plenty uses both Convection and Conduction ( http://www.storz-bickel.com/shop_us/en/faq/ ), not convection only (Volcano). Really, the plenty is just mega close to the heating element. I thought with it sitting on the heating element (instead of far away from the element like the volcano) it should heat soak real good before putting material in, and being able to control draw speed (vs 1 speed cano) with the reduced chamber should hopefully increase vapor density, or alter the profile a bit. I'm just going to cut, shape, and wrap a fine screen around the mini liquid pad to hold everything in place. This way there is no air moving around the capsule, nor is air fighting to make it thru the holes of the capsule, because after all, we grind bud more finely for vaporizers specifically to have more surface area around and thru the material, but the capsule robs the surface area of good convection, and I wonder how long it would take for that capsule to ever vaporize due to conduction... If you look at the capsule sitting in the reduced chamber, the amount of air allowed in and blocked by the holes makes it impossible to properly surround the herb. With a mini pad holding the same load, there should be almost 2x the coverage area of all of the material in the chamber for heat to cross the herbs versus the added restriction of the capsules not allowing heat to enter evenly when using the heating method of convection or conduction. So, I won't be fancy. I am going to use the reducer to reduce the size of the previous chamber, but I don't want to lower the quality in how evenly it will distribute heat and vaporize the material using the capsule. So I won't be a fancy coin user, but hopefully what I am trying to do will focus heat evenly within a smaller area for a possible thicker vapor density per draw for small loads.

But you'll get tired of loading and unloading. So tired, so sleepy.
You'll feel better soon. Capsules are good. Soon...

Do you guys think it would be a bad idea to put a bridge with a carb between the cooling coil so there is no residual vapor in the tubing? I'm just always looking for a way to conserve I thought maybe by carbing it I wouldn't waste any vapor.

https://www.vapefiend.co.uk/18mm-bridge-adapter.html

It's quiet in here. I got my Plenty this morning. I really like it. I can't believe how cool it is. Feels like cold air. Nice medium to dark brown AVB. I think it's well worth the money.

@Vapor Trails - It's usually quiet in here. Others must hope I get the hint.

After your honeymoon, hoping you could answer a couple questions:

1. Is your Plenty used or new?
2. Please give us your opinion of its "smoothness," whether the Plenty approaches the smoothness you were seeking. (not directly comparing to your other vapes by name, as that is frowned upon)
3. Mine takes about 4 minutes until heater light clicks off on level seven. How about your warmup time?
4. If you keep your handle switch depressed, will the heater continue to cycle on/off, or must you release then repress? Mine keeps cycling, but it's rare. Only one other user here has one like mine.

TIA

I remember being annoyed by vapor seeping out of mouthpiece after a draw. Jumped to conclusion that herb was "cooking" during pauses. Nope, just natural convective action of residual coil vapor. You asked about a carbed adapter to clear hit, addressing this issue. When I use long silicone whip, I just block with thumb. Handheld, you can lay it down sideways or simply hold it sideways during pauses. Very little vapor leakage in this orientation.

New

The Plenty is by far the smoothest vapor I have ever had. So smooth that I can't see reason to change anything as far as adding a water adapter etc. It's quite honestly very close to as smooth as my EVO with the Hydratube + water.

I'll clock mine, but it seems around 3 minutes. Ill double check later on. It's cooling off right now.

I tried the trick with holding the switch, but it doesn't cycle like some of you guys Plenty does. I wish it did, and I'd just wrap a thin zip tie around it. My temperature does get high like I like it tho. Sometimes the temperature will stop around 410, but if it has been running a while and I depress the moment it hits the green zone, it often goes past the 420 mark, now. It seems to do a really good job. I didn't expect it to heat that far.

I 'think' it's conducting quite well, because there have been several times where I have gotten too big of a hit and thought it would still be releasing some vapor because of the heat, and sure enough I unlocked and removed the chamber and pull on the mouthpiece for another 5 seconds (all the lung space left after the big inhale) and vapor is often still seeping out. My idea of a carb wouldn't have helped that tho. There would have to be a way to cut heat from the herb chamber without removing it, but that would change the function by moving it away from the heating element. I don't feel like it's a hassle to remove the herb chamber, and draw to cool it and stop vapor from releasing, tho.

I can only think of one thing I would change (besides a bit more heat and a way to stop it from convecting after pulls), and that is to somehow sleeve the coil. It does get hot, and it does burn badly. A full outer silicone sleeve would make it a little closer to perfect.

@Vapor Trails -

Very happy that you're happy!!
Vapes are so "personal" somehow. What's great for some is meh for others.

I hear you on the metal coil. You can imagine the designers having the same thoughts.
Your silicone wrapping idea sounds good, but may get messy, discolored, maybe smelly over time. But I think the main reason is cooling - the silicone would insulate.

I was hoping they would change the upper black chamber design. Make the part that you grip taller, like a comfortable inch tall with lip at top for ergonomic and safe gripping.

You'll be a capsule convert in no time!

yes.. welcome to the valley obscured by plenty clouds

it is sparsely populated..

i think the theory is that its also that way because
there have been so few issues for ppl to post about

cloudsosmoke said:

yes.. welcome to the valley obscured by plenty clouds

it is sparsely populated..

i think the theory is that its also that way because
there have been so few issues for ppl to post about

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That makes sense! It really seems completely solid as far as taking a beating, and true, there is nothing to really complain about, or honestly, not much to try to improve besides some using Gongs.

ChooChooCharlie said:

@Vapor Trails -

Very happy that you're happy!!
Vapes are so "personal" somehow. What's great for some is meh for others.

I hear you on the metal coil. You can imagine the designers having the same thoughts.
Your silicone wrapping idea sounds good, but may get messy, discolored, maybe smelly over time. But I think the main reason is cooling - the silicone would insulate.

I was hoping they would change the upper black chamber design. Make the part that you grip taller, like a comfortable inch tall with lip at top for ergonomic and safe gripping.

You'll be a capsule convert in no time!

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Thanks, man! Yeah, to me this one is very personal, because I know everyone wants to laugh, because they don't believe how intense my symptoms are, but I have to sit and focus a while to try to calm my physical symptoms. So, I am used to sitting with a bowl and taking a pull about every 5-10 minutes over a course of time, and the Plenty allows me to do nothing and worry about no batteries while sitting and calming symptoms. If I need to overdo it, I can simply pack more than needed and removed the chamber for later. To me, for a desktop Vape, it can be very versatile.

You know how the VapeXhale coozie type heat covers are used on the body of their units to dampen heat? I think I'll try to find that material and have it cut and sewn with velcro to wrap around the coil. That would be nice. I guess I could try to take some sort of cloth and micro wire tie some sections, but it probably wouldn't look very neat. I'll keep thinking, because I think there is an easy way to wrap the cool quickly and remove quickly. You know them Noodle float things for swimming/going to the beach etc.? If they had a small one with inner dimensions cut to fit the outer dimensions of the Plenty cooling coil, the little padded material could be removed easily if cut down onext side, and put on easily.
Hey, I may use a couple of my extra S&B silicone sleeves and see how well they dissipate heat, because really only the bottom 1/4-1/2 seems to get very hot.

One complaint, which I think a stick on rubber bumper can probably he found on Amazon to fix. When holding it how feels natural, and how the instructions show, my hand burns in the top when holding because it gets hot right in that groove. Some stick on, thin rubber or silicon will solve that and shouldn't be noticeable.

P.S. I think it's too funny that in their instruction paper it shows 178 degrees Celsius for setting 5, and 352 degrees Celsius at setting 5. Someone forgot to put the F for Fahrenheit. Haha! I guess they were plenty tired by the time they were finished with the instructions.

@Vapor Trails - Thanks again for your posts and for answering my questions above.

The handle switch issue hopefully isn't a big deal for you. It is a great safety feature, but I feel badly for most of you owners having to release and repress. Perhaps they redesigned the handle switch because it was too easy to subvert this regulated and mandated safety shutoff feature?

Know what you mean about the heat at the upper corner of the handle after a while. Noticed that I naturally hold it now a bit lower, so index finger isn't in direct contact with that area. It still hangs/balances well, and no real gripping effort is required.

These next comments and pics are for readers who may be fearful of the hot coil. Here's a side view of Plenty laying flat on its side to cool down. You can see one of its three rubber feet. The central axis of the coil is off-center so it does not touch table surface.

Please note that the silicone straw is mine, not a stock part.

I timed the heat up time with a stopwatch, and I probably didnt stop it at the exact same time, but it was 4:00:66 from cold to peaked at 7. So, it's also 4 minutes.

4 minutes sounds a bit too long. It should be around 3 minutes.

benchfrooser said:

4 minutes sounds a bit too long. It should be around 3 minutes.

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It may just be newer models. This is part of a 2016 review which I will post a link to: "Flip the power switch to the on position
Set temperature dial to desired temperature
Squeeze the trigger, the Plenty will begin heating up (approx 4 minutes)"

http://www.vaporreviewblog.com/plenty-vaporizer-review/

Measured the time from cold to highest temperatur. It took a little bit over 4 minutes.

4 min heat up for me too


Btw
@Vapor Trails
in review you linked to

nice clear explanation but
..i think with the brush/kickstand theres a hole closer to the ground - where body joins handle ..nearest rubber foot
it keeps it more upright and doesnt bend the brush so much

Yeah, not the best review. I just clicked the first review in the search results and searched the page for the heat up time using the find feature in Chrome.

..it was the picture of it leaning over at 45 degrees right at the end

lol



i just had to say there was a better way

cloudsosmoke said:

...i just had to say there was a better way

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And this is why we read FC!

@ChooChooCharlie

thats the truth




learned lots of good stuff here
(..for choosing cloud providers lol)

Figured I'd drop by and share some Love for the Plenty. I'm not using it as much, but Love it, it gives me Awesome Vapor that is Cool and Enjoyable. I had purchased it to get me by while waiting for my MiniVap to be repaired last year. And it worked Excellent like I knew that it would being a S&B product. (had volcano first ) Different Beast than the MiniVap. I was definitely surprised and very well satisfied with it's performance!! I've even taken it out and about with an extension cord out window to my vehicle at work. No problem
I definitely pull it out every month or so to enjoy all it's wonderful aspects, quirkyness and performance. I usually start on 5, & work my way up to 7. I'm usually packing the whole bowl full. When I don't, I will use the liquid pad on top to hold the load down. I've tried concentrates in it on pad as well, with not so good results, it really doesn't get hot enough, imho to vape concentrates.
I really needed a portable while I waited for my MiniVap to get done, so after a month or so I ended up buying a mighty, cuz the extension cord at work got old quick.
Hope all you new Plenty users are enjoying your new Vape. Peace and Happy Vaping

hi first post on fc although ive been lurming for years ive bought and sold many vapes but im happy with my plenty i can achive good vapor with tiny loads. i dont understnd why people have the issues. its simple less u load slower u pull wire pad helps. higher temp also helps but the night and day diffrence u want the herb bone dry with no moisture so it goes to dust.ive done this side by side with same nugs and it really make the most diffrence. the dryness of the material really is the cause of inconsistency tht users face imo. hope this helps people who are struggling enjoy there plenty as much as i do mine.

madg321 said:

hi first post on fc although ive been lurming for years ive bought and sold many vapes but im happy with my plenty i can achive good vapor with tiny loads. i dont understnd why people have the issues. its simple less u load slower u pull wire pad helps. higher temp also helps but the night and day diffrence u want the herb bone dry with no moisture so it goes to dust.ive done this side by side with same nugs and it really make the most diffrence. the dryness of the material really is the cause of inconsistency tht users face imo. hope this helps people who are struggling enjoy there plenty as much as i do mine.

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Welcome @madg321 - Nice to hear of your success with the Plenty.

I agree. The Plenty can be plenty fine without using plenty of herb.
Don't worry, I won't do another sales pitch for the reducer/capsule system.

Sure there are many happy Plenty owners lurking out there.
We all know its looks are, uh, unique. Don't be shy. Wave your freak flag.
Join us and sign in to FC. Come for the infomation -- stay for the kvetching.
We accept you, we accept you, one of us, one of us

I just joined the club.

@ChooChooCharlie arranged that a Plenty has come my way for study, evaluation, and potential placement with just the right patient.
Right off the bat I will say that this vape Has a particular audience.

The reducer was not for me... opening and closing the dose capsule is painful, especially around the thumb. I used also a screen "lid" to fit over the reducer chamber, so it could be used with no capsule.
The sessions were short for the work. Even if one had dozens of capsules there would still be "KP" duty after vaping the dozen capsules with impunity.
So... I use the Plenty, Plenty full.
No concentrate pads... jam packed.
I pour ground meds (about a gram) into bottom of chamber and tap lightly until it is a mound, and I close it up

In spite of there being no room for movement of the meds, I still notice that after a number of hits in a trumpet position.. If I turn the "trumpet" to another angle or upside down (still parallel to the ground) I get a new group of denser hits... perhaps from heat rising to previously non-directionally heated materials. I flip the trumpet around during the sessions.
Try it.. halfway through flip your unit upside down for some really dense hits.
(If this is old stuff to you guys, and it has been discussed excuse my ignorance... I only have read a short bit here, but will read more)
When I empty the load, I can see it still packed with no room for movement, with the load a dark brown... well spent.

The heat situation reminds me of the Supreme!
... Heat till temp is reached... then set down the torch and enjoy as the temperature slowly drops.
I am forced to compare this to the LSV, simply because it is plugged in, gets hot and is hand held.
It does have that safety feature however. It is used in the off position much of the time.
Initially I had some "new vape whines" from a patient's standpoint.
Awkward sessions... for my hourly quickies... but good for a wipeout session.
I have had many of these.
Holding the trigger and handle hurt my wrists, and having to turn it this way and that was hard on my thumbs. ( I like whips)
In spite of knowledge that the coil was hot, I still managed to get myself a few times, on my wrists, fingers, and even face (spasticity).
I have found a great stand for the Plenty.
I use an inverted SSV aroma top.

A VTV episode of Plenty Medicated.
I am having a good time studying this bad boy~

EDIT:
@ChooChooCharlie pointed out to me that I did not need a stand, and that there are 3 rubber feet for the vape to lay on... Live and Learn!
I now am diffusing aromas with that top again!