The 2016 Presidential Candidates Thread

How To Create A Socialist State (by Saul Alinsky)

There are eight levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a socialist state. The first is the most important...

1) Healthcare — Control healthcare and you control the people

2) Poverty — Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.

3) Debt — Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.

4) Gun Control — Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.

5) Welfare — Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income).

6) Education — Take control of what people read and listen to — take control of what children learn in school.

7) Religion — Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.

8) Class Warfare — Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.

Obama's Accomplishments

1) ObamaCare
2) More blacks in poverty in 2015 than in 2008
3) Debt ... what took 60 years to build, Obama doubled in his two terms
4) Gun Control ... more regs
5) More blacks on welfare in 2015 than in 2008
6) Supports Common Core and increased funding to Dept of Education
7) More Muslim immigrants by factor of 100 compared to any previous US President. Supports (single) religion via importation of tens of thousands of followers of Islam (with core belief is to enslave/kill those who are non-believers, and women of any religion)
8) Watched the news lately? More class warfare, more world warfare, more dangerous times than any other President in last 54 years.

Hillary's Accomplishments

1) Clinton Global takes in $1.4 billion
2) Benghazi
3) Toppling Khaddafi and beginning the Middle East Maelstrom
4) Overthrow of Democratically elected government in Ukraine
5) Sale of US Uranium to Russia (Uranium One) (which resulted from 20% of Clinton Global's total income as prerequsite to this sale)
6) Support for bill that puts Super-Predators in jail longer, her husband signs bill
7) Able to flip flop multiple times on any issue and still smile unblinkingly (most major accomplishment of all) regardless of the current stance on any particular issue

How to Spread Islam

"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Koran 8:12

Basics of Sharia Law

• Theft is punishable by amputation of the right handl
• Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
• Criticizing Muhammad or denying that he is a prophet is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Allah, the god of Islam is punishable by death.
• A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
• A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.
• Girls' clitoris should be cut (Muhammad's words, Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
• A woman can have 1 husband, who can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
• A man can beat his wife for insubordination.
• A man can unilaterally divorce his wife; a woman needs her husband's consent to divorce.
• A divorced wife loses custody of all children over 6 years of age or when they exceed it.
• Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman.
• A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
• A woman's testimony in court, allowed in property cases, carries ½ the weight of a man's.
• A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits.
• A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).
• A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
• Meat to eat must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be "Halal".
• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.

@utekai

So you believe Obama is a socialist?

How is it a bad thing that the Clinton foundation was able to raise so much money? I think your Breibart news source might have convinced you that they are 'evil' when it's clear their goals are positive ones.

You blame HRC for what happened in the Ukraine?

Where is Trump's list of accomplishments?

edit(after your edit): What does the Islam/Sharia law comments have to do with the 2016 presidential candidates?

Did you write any of this yourself or is this a copy and paste from somewhere else?

Trump Really Is a Racist. He Doesn’t Just Play One on TV.
by David Atkins
August 28, 2016 7:00 AM

It’s something of an academic question and mere footnote to the presidential campaign, but there has been an open question whether Donald Trump is truly a racist in his heart, or if he merely plays at being one in order to win votes. Of course, there are many reasons to object to asking the question at all: 1) it doesn’t really matter if a politician is personally racist if they use race as a bludgeon to divide the country and win votes; 2) asking whether someone is a racist is pointless, since racism isn’t about who people are but about what they say and do; 3) it’s not up to white commentators to determine if another white person is actually racist or not. All of these objections are valid.

Still, the question is relevant because there is a broader undercurrent question about Trump’s campaign: is the man actually serious? Does he really want to be president? Are the politics he espouses genuine, or simply a con to get attention and votes?

So, despite the pitfalls it’s worth noting for the historical record that the question can probably be firmly settled on the race issue: yes, Trump really is a bigot. It’s not a long con. The New York Times has the goods on Trump’s racially discriminatory practices early in his real estate career:


Trump behaved as belligerently and petulantly in response to the charges as he does today:



But, in fact, he really did institute discriminatory practices:


This is who Donald Trump is. He can’t pivot away from “alt right” white supremacist racism because it was never a tongue-in-cheek strategy to win Republican primary votes in the first place. He really meant it, and still does.

YaFreekin Right said:

@utekai

So you believe Obama is a socialist?

How is it a bad thing that the Clinton foundation was able to raise so much money? I think your Breibart news source might have convinced you that they are 'evil' when it's clear their goals are positive ones.

You blame HRC for what happened in the Ukraine?

Where is Trump's list of accomplishments?

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Obama is bought and paid for, just like Hillary. No need to attach some temporary name/title/category. At this point, just like he said in Louisiana, he's just about out of office and prepped to start making hundreds of millions, so he's not going to rock any boats holding the hands of those who will enrich him.

I can see Trump's accomplishments travelling around the country. Glamorous hotels and golf courses mostly. Never saw Apprentice but heard interesting things, not sure if this is an accomplishment. He certainly has done well for himself and says he wants to do well for others.

I see Obama's accomplishments travelling around the Country too. Closed factories and schools. Massive poverty and drastic reduction in living standards except for the few. Massive new debts that, let's be honest, will never be paid off. So more or less Obama put the finish to the beginning of the destruction of the American way of life.

When a company like Carrier moves out of Country and 1400 direct jobs evaporate, where will those 1400 people find new work? What kind of work will they find? Nursing? Fast Food? What? Meanwhile China spent trillions in building out their new infrastructure (and trillions flowed out of US to China to support this). If that money had been spent here in the US, we'd not be having this conversation at all.

Honestly, as with anyone else, it's hard to find something that Hillarity accomplished (I mean in the positive sense). The weird thing is I think she really was able to accomplish a lot, but because she got paid on the side to accomplish these things, she can't talk about it or the scam will be up. And I suspect she'll be able to accomplish a lot more in the future, likely more than most, but only for those who are able to pay her. For the average person, for the black, or white, or hispanic worker, she'll only put them down more while she accomplishes for her current master. Well, unless she goes to jail.

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If I employ 10 people at $100k per person, and get 10000 things to sell at $120 per thing, then I'd have $1 mln in labor and $200k in profit. If I move the 10 jobs to China/Mexico and employ 20 people at $50k per person, and now get 30000 things to sell at $100 per thing, well now I've got $2mln in profit and am able to employ twice as many people and get 3 times as many things and make 10 times the profit at reduced price for the consumers. Why wouldn't I do that?

Well if I cared about those original 10 people and cared about their way of life as much as my own, I wouldn't do that. If I looked at the community where I live in, instead of just myself, then I'd not move those jobs. If I wanted to put America first, I'd not move those jobs.

While in office in NY state, 25% of NY state's manufacturing jobs in Hillarity's district simply went missing.

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In regards to racism, supporting Planned Parenthood which aborts 10X more black babies than white babies is about as racist a position as can be found. The founder of Planned Parenthood was the original Eugenicist. Surprising how Hillarity is THE WHITE POWER CANDIDATE of our lifetime, and is right there in the running.

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Probably what we need to distract us from the failed economy, from the trillions in debt THAT CAN NEVER BE PAID OFF, from the shootings, from the government monopoly on control (want to keep your kids from being vaccinated? not on obama's/hillarity's watch you won't), is more Islam in our faces.

Yes, bring in a million muslims, some of which are already planning their terror, and this will certainly distract us all from these current problems and confound us with newer and more deadly ones. I mean who cares if they have a job when going to the 7/11 means getting past 3 roadblocks and being shot at for being an infidel. Or convert now and buy some hijabs for your loved female ones, or as muslim men refer to them 'servants'.

Yes .... that's the ticket. Convert now, or foreever hold your peace.

"Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah."

Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 992

Hillarity already proposes at least another million muslims will be brought into the US, just in the first two years of her Dictatorship. This will solidify the police state and allow full and complete government control to fall over us like an iron curtain, just as soon as the islamic festivities can begin. Hmmm, 'iron curtain' seems like I've heard that expression before. Ah, well, as you know history repeats itself.


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Robert Byrd on the KKK: "The Klan is needed today as never before, and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia and in every state in the nation."


Hillary Clinton on Robert Byrd: ”… a man of passing eloquence … heart and soul of the (overwhelmingly white) senate” See it at

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After becoming 'dehydrated' Hillarity fell, hit her head, got a concussion, and blood clots. Shortly after this Hillarity started wearing adult diapers. Not sure of the connection between head and butt, but it's likely in Hillarity's case that these two body parts are typically closely aligned. Yes folks, you won't see this on CNN. Due to the close alignment, of these two parts, the truth comes out, as whether from her mouth, or her butt, the two utterances (of sorts) have the same composition ... pure bs.


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"One of our values is, we bring everyone home, off the battlefield." Hillary Clinton


I wonder how much Hillarity's values meant to Chris Stevens as he waited for help from Marines that were packed, ready and waiting to save this US Ambassador. Clinton was sleeping at this point. Then Stevens was captured and tortured. At this point Hillarity is awake, but body parts fully aligned as she instructs the military to 'stand down'. Stevens at some point succumbs, his heart stops, his spirit disentangles from the physical world. Hiilarity orders coffee (but no, Obama doesn't bring it as Bill Clinton would expect from, well, you get the racist picture here). But at least Hillarity brings Stevens home as she discusses the 'video' that caused it all.

Hillarity? Hillarious? No ... make globalists more great, some more, or make America great again. Your choice, your vote.

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What if the 'alt-right', the tin foil wearing conspiratorial Americans, are in fact made up of peaceful, hard-working, family-oriented people who really do care for America. Those who are against entitlements, and instead are for rewards after work, for doctors that push health and not pills, for politicians that rule for the people and not for the next dollar that comes their way regardless of which Saudi or Chinese hand is holding out the dollar.

What if your neighbor is alt-right. What if the US is alt-right.

Well, all right, Alt-right.

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So what if? What if Hillarity hadn't reduced the security of the Libyan embassy to just 5% of the previous force before the attack? What if the attack was instead minor and no American was killed due to the previous Marine force being left intact?

What if? Well, then Chris Stevens would still be alive. Then we'd not have had reason to suddenly start bombing the groups just the week before the attack Hillarity was arming (and arms sales from which her benefactors were benefitting enormously). Then we'd not have ISIL or ISIS or the Middle East Maelstrom. Europe would not be in chaos as two million fewer refugees would be spreading Islam around the world.

Yeah, thanks a lot for this accomplishment Hillarity.

utekai said:

How To Create A Socialist State (by Saul Alinsky)

There are eight levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a socialist state. The first is the most important...

1) Healthcare — Control healthcare and you control the people

2) Poverty — Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.

3) Debt — Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.

4) Gun Control — Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.

5) Welfare — Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income).

6) Education — Take control of what people read and listen to — take control of what children learn in school.

7) Religion — Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.

8) Class Warfare — Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.

Obama's Accomplishments

1) ObamaCare
2) More blacks in poverty in 2015 than in 2008
3) Debt ... what took 60 years to build, Obama doubled in his two terms
4) Gun Control ... more regs
5) More blacks on welfare in 2015 than in 2008
6) Supports Common Core and increased funding to Dept of Education
7) More Muslim immigrants by factor of 100 compared to any previous US President. Supports (single) religion via importation of tens of thousands of followers of Islam (with core belief is to enslave/kill those who are non-believers, and women of any religion)
8) Watched the news lately? More class warfare, more world warfare, more dangerous times than any other President in last 54 years.

Hillary's Accomplishments

1) Clinton Global takes in $1.4 billion
2) Benghazi
3) Toppling Khaddafi and beginning the Middle East Maelstrom
4) Overthrow of Democratically elected government in Ukraine
5) Sale of US Uranium to Russia (Uranium One) (which resulted from 20% of Clinton Global's total income as prerequsite to this sale)
6) Support for bill that puts Super-Predators in jail longer, her husband signs bill
7) Able to flip flop multiple times on any issue and still smile unblinkingly (most major accomplishment of all) regardless of the current stance on any particular issue

How to Spread Islam

"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Koran 8:12

Basics of Sharia Law

• Theft is punishable by amputation of the right handl
• Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
• Criticizing Muhammad or denying that he is a prophet is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Allah, the god of Islam is punishable by death.
• A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
• A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.
• Girls' clitoris should be cut (Muhammad's words, Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
• A woman can have 1 husband, who can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
• A man can beat his wife for insubordination.
• A man can unilaterally divorce his wife; a woman needs her husband's consent to divorce.
• A divorced wife loses custody of all children over 6 years of age or when they exceed it.
• Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman.
• A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
• A woman's testimony in court, allowed in property cases, carries ½ the weight of a man's.
• A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits.
• A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).
• A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
• Meat to eat must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be "Halal".
• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.

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I'm curious, @utekai. What news sources do you get your information from?

Is that his hotels where he doesn't really want to employ Americans?

utekai said:

Obama is bought and paid for, just like Hillary. No need to attach some temporary name/title/category. At this point, just like he said in Louisiana, he's just about out of office and prepped to start making hundreds of millions, so he's not going to rock any boats holding the hands of those who will enrich him.

I can see Trump's accomplishments travelling around the country. Glamorous hotels and golf courses mostly. Never saw Apprentice but heard interesting things, not sure if this is an accomplishment. He certainly has done well for himself and says he wants to do well for others.

I see Obama's accomplishments travelling around the Country too. Closed factories and schools. Massive poverty and drastic reduction in living standards except for the few. Massive new debts that, let's be honest, will never be paid off. So more or less Obama put the finish to the beginning of the destruction of the American way of life.

When a company like Carrier moves out of Country and 1400 direct jobs evaporate, where will those 1400 people find new work? What kind of work will they find? Nursing? Fast Food? What? Meanwhile China spent trillions in building out their new infrastructure (and trillions flowed out of US to China to support this). If that money had been spent here in the US, we'd not be having this conversation at all.

Honestly, as with anyone else, it's hard to find something that Hillarity accomplished (I mean in the positive sense). The weird thing is I think she really was able to accomplish a lot, but because she got paid on the side to accomplish these things, she can't talk about it or the scam will be up. And I suspect she'll be able to accomplish a lot more in the future, likely more than most, but only for those who are able to pay her. For the average person, for the black, or white, or hispanic worker, she'll only put them down more while she accomplishes for her current master. Well, unless she goes to jail.

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I'll try and answer your questions & I'd appreciate if you tried to answer mine.

"When a company like Carrier moves out of Country and 1400 direct jobs evaporate, where will those 1400 people find new work? What kind of work will they find? Nursing? Fast Food? What?" - @utekai

They will have to retrain to find employment in a field where it makes economic sense. This is the way the world works & will continue to shift in this manner. It's very tough to keep manufacturing jobs in any 1st world nation due to much lower labour costs abroad. The only trend that breaks this is those companies that are moving towards greater automation within their factories.

I'm not sure I would call Trumps hotels & casinos a success story. See below:


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utekai said:

If I employ 10 people at $100k per person, and get 10000 things to sell at $120 per thing, then I'd have $1 mln in labor and $200k in profit. If I move the 10 jobs to China/Mexico and employ 20 people at $50k per person, and now get 30000 things to sell at $100 per thing, well now I've got $2mln in profit and am able to employ twice as many people and get 3 times as many things and make 10 times the profit at reduced price for the consumers. Why wouldn't I do that?

Well if I cared about those original 10 people and cared about their way of life as much as my own, I wouldn't do that. If I looked at the community where I live in, instead of just myself, then I'd not move those jobs. If I wanted to put America first, I'd not move those jobs.

While in office in NY state, 25% of NY state's manufacturing jobs in Hillarity's district simply went missing.

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You realize you live in a capitalist society. The only incentive is profit so if it makes sense to move jobs abroad to make more $$ that will happen. It sounds what you actually want is socialism. Where the state cares enough about the people's jobs that they force the jobs to stay at home. The problem is a competitor will manufacturer their widgets abroad at a lower cost & put you out of business.

Your misspelling of Hilary weakens your argument and shows your inherit bias.

utekai said:

In regards to racism, supporting Planned Parenthood which aborts 10X more black babies than white babies is about as racist a position as can be found. The founder of Planned Parenthood was the original Eugenicist. Surprising how Hillarity is THE WHITE POWER CANDIDATE of our lifetime, and is right there in the running.

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I didn't realize planned parenthood was forcing abortions on mothers. This sounds like it should be headline news. Could you provide your source?

utekai said:

Probably what we need to distract us from the failed economy, from the trillions in debt THAT CAN NEVER BE PAID OFF, from the shootings, from the government monopoly on control (want to keep your kids from being vaccinated? not on obama's/hillarity's watch you won't), is more Islam in our faces.

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I do agree with you that the economy is headed for failure at some point, you can't keep increasing the debt indefinitely. You have completely lost me with the rest of your comments. Do you suggest we go back to the middle ages where diseases and death was a common occurrence? Vaccines only work though heard immunity. There are lots of stupid people in the world & sometimes decisions by experts/doctors have to be made for them for the greater population. Islam... I don't understand at all the point you are trying to make.

Not every Muslim is a radical, just not like every Christian is a fundamentalist. If you took every sentence from the bible literally people would be doing all kinds of crazy things.

I honestly feel sorry for you that you live in such fear. Obviously Trumps words and message are working on you. The world as a whole is better than it has ever been. Sure white conservatives are having a tougher time but the world is changing and it sounds like you want to be left behind.

Thanks for the laughs.

cybrguy said:

Isn't it obvious?

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It was a rhetorical question but I still wanted to see how honest the question would be answered as well as wanting to add a bit of perspective to his answer.

YaFreekin Right said:

I didn't realize planned parenthood was forcing abortions on mothers. This sounds like it should be headline news. Could you provide your source?

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When you keep an entire population in poverty, you are in fact forcing them into abortion centers.

But my statement didn't discuss anyone being forced, but glad you pointed out how blacks and hispanics and white middle class are in fact being economically forced into abortions.

It's just that Planned Parenthood aborts 10X more black babies than white babies. It's that Hillarity not just supports, but is a key proponent of Planned Parenthood. It's racism at it's finest ... Planned Parenthood.

Hiilarity is the WHITE POWER CANDIDATE of our lifetimes. Moreso than Byrd, moreso than the Black Panthers. She's really got it down.

YaFreekin Right said:

They will have to retrain to find employment in a field where it makes economic sense. This is the way the world works & will continue to shift in this manner. It's very tough to keep manufacturing jobs in any 1st world nation due to much lower labour costs abroad. The only trend that breaks this is those companies that are moving towards greater automation within their factories.

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The Chinese employ forced labor, and have no regulations on pollution. So yeah, it is more economically feasible to use lawless regimes for racketeering and profit. This has been known all through history.

But that isn't my point at all.

My point is do you care about America and American jobs? Do you care about the communities you live in?

If so, if you can see anyone else's needs other than your own, or own selfish needs, then it's easy to promote America, rather than promoting another super train in China being built with American money.

As for retraining, as I said, what will they do, nursing, fast food? There isn't much else for the 45 year old to go into. But it is a hard-working, America-loving, tolerant and peace-loving workforce, just unemployed and mad as hell while Hillarity and Bill earned a cool $240 million on top of the $1.4 bln into the Clinton Bribery fund.

YaFreekin Right said:

The world as a whole is better than it has ever been

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Wow. Do you really believe this?

In reality, the world is so much worse off than ANYTIME in my lifetime. I've been lucky to have been able to travel and live all over the world. And at no time in my memory, has the world been more at odds. It is very dangerous to travel in many counties that just 10 years ago were mostly carefree. World war is literally just weeks away, and if it comes Hillarity's backers will be 'excited'.

If you think White Convervative Christians should start kidnappings and beheadings as a way to catch-up to the modern world and not be 'left behind', well, then I understand the full and complete basis of your position.

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I remember a friend who visited Cabrini Green long ago and came back with bullet holes in his car. Nowadays, he wouldn't have come back.

But blacks are waking up to the blindfold the white power democrats have forced over their vision for over 50 years.

New Black Panther Quanell X says about Trump's recent Milwaukee visit ...

"Let me say this to the brothers and sisters who listened and watched that speech. We may not like the vessel that said what he said, but I ask us to truly examine what he said, because it is a fact that for 54 years, we have been voting for the Democratic party like no other race in America. And they have not given us the same loyalty and love that we have given them. We as black people have to reexamine the relationship — where we are being pimped like prostitutes, and they’re the big pimps pimping us politically, promising us everything and we get nothing in return.

We gotta step back now as black people and say, we’ve gotta look at all the parties and vote our best interests."

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Oh, but it's not just blacks ... or just whites, or just hispanics, it's whole sectors of the econony, including the one sector where the US used to be untouchable ... tech.

A techie writes ....

I live in Silicon Valley were this issue is a very big deal. I have witnessed millions of highly trained US citizen engineers from ivy league schools and from every ethnic background, get laid off in MASS numbers over and over and over again only to be replaced by foreign workers for less money...and then having to train these less educated and often less capable people in our jobs for no reason of merit other than cost alone. So many of my fellow techies have been devastated by the wholesale firings without ever giving these non Union engineers a chance to negotiate lower wages, they were just thrown away by the millions all the while Obama talking about the need for America workers needing more higher education.....we had all the education and deep experience and success and we were all thrown away like trash...it's gross the amount of lying and cover up by politicians and mainstream press on this issue.....we have no one to talk about this critical issue but the eccentric Mr. Trump, just great.

Where I live the economy has improved a lot since the last time we had a Republican president. The economy was in the toilet when Obama entered office. We had several people we knew that lost their homes. The economy is just starting to thrive in some areas. Maybe not where you live. A lot has to do with your governor and lawmakers.

No I don't want to risk the republicans taking the right away from woman to get abortions. I can see that's where we are headed with a new Supreme Court.

Also several economists have said with a Trump presidency we would face a severe recession.

Voting is your right - just make sure you actually vote. That's the problem because not enough people go to the polls.

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Hopefully folks won't feel like they don't have the opportunity to vote in some of the southern states. It sounds like some of the problems may have been solved by the courts. The big long lines are ridiculous. Also hopefully they have upgraded some of their equipment.

We vote by mail where I live in. Not that difficult to do. Some folks have conspiracy theories that it makes it easier to cheat. No so. We only get to vote once and our signatures are checked.

CarolKing said:

No I don't want to risk the republicans taking the right away from woman to get abortions. I can see that's where we are headed with a new Supreme Court.

Also several economists have said with a Trump presidency we would face a severe recession.

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When does a baby become a baby? At birth or at conception? If you support killing babies, well, that's just you.

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If suddenly the economic basis for building in China/Mexico or building in the US was reversed, well that would mean hundreds of thousands/millions of new manufacturing jobs flooding back into the US within the first two years. This type activity then becomes classified as a 'virtuous circle' in that more jobs are needed to support the manufacturing jobs. Suddenly standard of living moves up, and up a lot. Suddenly new massive infrastructure projects are underway, suddenly the unemployed and out of the workforce person living off of government entitlements has 3 or 4 job offers.

Suddenly black students graduate college with job offers.

Suddenly ghettos start getting modernized. Suddenly the drug runner's flashy auto is replaced with the manufacturing contractor's flashy auto.

Suddenly self respect returns to America, and the American worker. Suddenly working a job is more fashionable than getting an entitlement check.

Trump is the only candidate who does things suddenly.

Or suddenly we can get 8 more years just like the last 8 years.

@utekai this isn't the abortion thread but abortion has been legal for many years I want to keep it that way. Not sure how old you are but I remember when when women were made to have back alley abortions. I won't say anything more.

It is a global economy. Our logs from our state go overseas a lot of the time. We don't live in our own little universe in the U.S. Yes we do need to make more things here. I don't need to vote Trump to get there.

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@utekai this is not the abortion thread, again. If you want to talk about abortion, make a new thread in the lounge. I guarantee, it will probably get shut down. To touchy of a subject. That's why we will not talk about it much in here.

You and I will agree to disagree about abortion.

utekai said:

World war is literally just weeks away....

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CarolKing said:

@utekai this isn't the abortion thread but abortion has been legal for many years I want to keep it that way. Not sure how old you are but I remember when when we're made to have back alley abortions. I won't say anything more.

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I'm not really for or against abortion. However, I don't support killing babies of any race or background. Each child, regardless of age, should have an equal opportunity to thrive in our society.

Is abortion about killing a living baby, or just removing some meaningless flesh same as with a wart, just on the inside?

When does a baby become a baby? At birth or at conception?

But I am for America. I am for the values that made America great. As I recall those values don't include kidnapping peoples of other religions, cutting off their heads as a way to promote religion, forcing women into servitude, and killing daughters for little reason other than hindrance of one's own perceived worth.

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If suddenly the economic basis for building in China/Mexico or building in the US was reversed, well that would mean hundreds of thousands/millions of new manufacturing jobs flooding back into the US within the first two years. This type activity then becomes classified as a 'virtuous circle' in that more jobs are needed to support the manufacturing jobs. Suddenly standard of living moves up, and up a lot. Suddenly new massive infrastructure projects are underway, suddenly the unemployed and out of the workforce person living off of government entitlements has 3 or 4 job offers.

Suddenly black students graduate college with job offers.

Suddenly ghettos start getting modernized. Suddenly the drug runner's flashy auto is replaced with the manufacturing contractor's flashy auto.

Suddenly self respect returns to America, and the American worker. Suddenly working a job is more fashionable than getting an entitlement check.

Trump is the only candidate who does things suddenly.

Or suddenly we can get 8 more years just like the last 8 years.

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If the "economic basis for building in China/Mexico or building in the US was reversed" - that would be what, extremely low wages for American workers, the removal of labor protections, the reversal of pollution regulations...?

As far as "Trump is the only candidate who does things suddenly", well yeah he does things suddenly, like suddenly building a huge Trump Casino and then suddenly that Trump Casino goes bankrupt and everybody involved gets stiffed except Trump who makes a profit. If that is sudden I'll take gradual. I can do without sudden.

Hillarity says, "Smoke but no fire"

Assange intimates, "Oh, just wait, you'll see plenty of fire."

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that would be what, extremely low wages for American workers, the removal of labor protections, the reversal of pollution regulations...?

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It would be application of existing laws. China is breaking every trade agreement we ever entered into with them. Currency manipulation, government funding of steel/rare earth metals, slave labor, no pollution regs. China isn't just polluting China, China is polluting the world.

It would be fines/usury taxes that caused Chinese products (lots of which are known to be toxic to animals and humans) to suddenly be priced so fair comparisons could be made to better and now cheaper American made products. American products made in America with fair wages and no child/slave labor.

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As far as "Trump is the only candidate who does things suddenly", well yeah he does things suddenly, like suddenly building a huge Casino and then suddenly that Casino goes bankrupt and everybody involved gets stiffed except Trump who makes a profit. I can do without sudden.

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Trump pointed out a VA hospital being build that was more than 200% over budget, $1.2 billion over, and four years behind schedule. He then compared it to one of his own projects in a highly regulated market that came in under budget and ahead of schedule. The thing is Trump may not succeed at every thing, but he succeeds at some things, and fails quickly on others. Trump, being a businessman, understands ups and downs, the risks and rewards, when to order more and when to back up a bit and reassess.. Politicians understand how to create new taxes, and waste current tax revenues on pet projects like Obama Care.

Sudden success from Trump. Or suddenly the same for another 8 years with Hillarity and her crony backers that own her every word, her every guttural cough, her every shit into her diapers, or is that utterance from her mouth ... meh, it's bs all the same.

I belong to a union and I see Trump crumbling down unions in America. Also read up on many of Trump's ideas, not many out there. He spends most of his time telling us how horrible America is. The ideas that he has suggested will crippled our economy says many smart people other than myself. @lwien is that short enough?

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Also I know some Hispanic families, some here legally and some not, I don't know their standings for sure. The children are afraid by what Trump is saying. The parents need to turn off the TV. These children have only lived in the U.S. To send these families back to Mexico is cruel. Trump is a fucking idiot. I'm not a Hillary fan but I'm weighing the difference and its huge. In Nov. I will vote for the first woman as president.

don't feed the troll.

Clearly I made the right decision...

CarolKing said:

I belong to a union and I see Trump crumbling down unions in America. Also read up on many of Trumps ideas, not many out there. He spends most of his time telling us how horrible America is. The ideas that he has suggested will crippled our economy says many smart people other than myself. @lwien is that short enough?

Also I know some Hispanic family, some here legally and some not, I don't know their standings for sure. The children are afraid by what Trump is saying. They need to turn off the TV. These children have only lived in the U.S. To send these families back to Mexico is cruel. Trump is a fucking idiot. I'm not a Hillary fan but I'm weighing the difference and its huge.

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When I go on youtube and watch Hispanics interviewed who are legally in America, they support Trump.

When Hillarity takes $50 million from Wall Street, this is not a pro-union purchase of Hillarity being made. It's a pro-one percenter purchase of Hillarity. During the last 8 years UNIONS HAVE BEEN DECIMATED. Suddenly more of the same for another 8 years is what Hillarity offers.

As for Trump on Unions, he's known to have long relationships with Union labor, but good and bad. But he doesn't lambaste Unions, and employs Union labor on most of his projects.

However, Unions are about themselves and not about America. For instance, the teacher's union, is about, first and foremost, very high salaries for the Union's admin staff and union supporters in the state admins, and secondly about keeping members who pay the most dues (i.e., teachers with seniority who get paid the most). Teachers unions are not about America first.

Trump on legal immigrants:


Hillarity on illegal immigrants just 10 months ago ...

Of course now Hillarity wants open borders for all Islamic persons, particularly if they love to rape children. Hillarity is for Soros' vision of the world, in which people are scared and unarmed, and where the government decides everything, or well, the elites that run the government.

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Suddenly black students graduate college with job offers.

Suddenly ghettos start getting modernized. Suddenly the drug runner's flashy auto is replaced with the manufacturing contractor's flashy auto.

Suddenly self respect returns to America, and the American worker. Suddenly working a job is more fashionable than getting an entitlement check.

Trump is the only candidate who does things suddenly.

Or suddenly we can get 8 more years just like the last 8 years.

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Nothing positive in the control of government can or will ever happen "suddenly", no matter who's at the helm, and in my opinion, least of all Tramp, who's famed claim to "suddenness" comes from a pathologically severe lack of impulse control.

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Nothing positive in the control of government can or will ever happen "suddenly", no matter who's at the helm, and in my opinion, least of all Tramp, who's famed claim to "suddenness" comes from a pathologically severe lack of impulse control.

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Yeah, I'm afraid you're right. I mean, Pearl Harbor didn't happen in a day.

Obama Care didn't happen in a day.

Tramp, or Scamp, or Scump or Trump ... whatever, he is though the only candidate with the balls to actually change something. He's the only candidate who is not on the take. He is his own, pathologically motivated as per your words, candidate who won't just give us 8 more years of the same scam Obama and Hillarity have pulled on the America people, in particular how Blacks and Hispanics have suffered under the 'Democratic' party founded by the slave owner Andrew Jackson, and the same party from which John Wilkes Booth emerged to assassinate Lincoln.

I'm very glad though, that even with all of Hillarity's faults and her corruption and racketeering, her pay for play, her lying and all that, that Hillarity is consistent in her values and her beliefs.


Why would Hillarity fire the White House Travel Staff who had served the previous 7 presidents?

Why?

Why?

With the Clintons the answer is always the same. Money.

Given the imperfections of both candidates, perhaps another angle must be explored. Who do you want to appoint the next Supreme Court Justices? I can't tell you who Trump will appoint, but Clinton will appoint justices that want to keep Roe vs Wade, Gay Marriage, and other progressive ideals, like voter rights. It's part of the Democratic Platform.

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Given the imperfections of both candidates, perhaps another angle must be explored. Who do want to appoint the next Supreme Court Justices? I can't tell you who Trump will appoint, but Clinton will appoint justices that want to keep Roe vs Wade, Gay Marriage, and other progressive ideals, like voter rights.

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Wait, Clinton was against gay marriage.


She says she believes in, "... the fundamental bedrock principle of marriage between a man and woman ..."

Oh yeah, then for some reason she was for gay marriage. Wonder why she changed to a fully different position? Oh yeah, with the Clintons the answer is always the same. Money.

What does she think now? Who knows, only the next mega-rich donor knows, as that old white rich man is the one who will pick the justice, not Hillarity.

Bernie sums it up nicely
" ... a government that works for all of us, not just the 1 percent ... thank you."

Here Bernie explains why Trump is the only hope the American people have left ...