Discontinued The Woodeez Vaporizer/Diffuser

I use my wdz with a dry bong -- no water, just use the bong as a reservoir to collect dry vapor -- multiple times every day. always get a good cloud (can never absorb all of it).

these days i tend to throw away the abv after the 1st hit itself (long and slow hit, so i do get most vapor out in the first hit itself). maybe a second. this has nothing to do with the vape itself but just the way i vape nowadays. i have no patience for abv and i'd rather load another stem for a fresh hit instead of trying to tap out all the vapor i can from the old load. but i've gotten more than one good cloud many many times with the wdz and a bong. i have had numerous people try the wdz with a bong setup at my house and the general impression has always been to the lines of 'dude, now this is how one should get stoned' (2 guys actually said that to me almost verbatim)

to another point: i have been using the wdz with a 13.5 v adapter for over a year. it has been on 24/7 during this time. it has been dropped on its ass about a thousand times (well, y'know what I mean). no issues (in case somebody is interested)

also: the whole screen thing has been a non issue for me (have had a zap w/ screen-- i don't see a difference, on a rare occasion i get a popcorn smell and overturn and tap the wdz ass. well, not that way, you beautiful weed-addled perverts.)

i have had all three log style vapes by now-- the pd (bought used, gave away to a guy i know), the wdz and the zap (bought one used, destroyed it due to my own actions, Rick sent me another one gratis, w/ the new heat exchanger, which gets hotter than both the pd and the wdz at 12 v, i half-grudgingly gave the new zap away -- i was torn between giving away the wdz or the zap, decided on the zap because since Rick gave it to me with a spirit of generosity, i thought it would be great to pass his generosity onward. plus the wdz was my first vape ever. i do not intend to part with it. letting go of the zap was very hard though. you rock, Rick).

heat at 12v goes like this (lowest to highest temp): pd<wdz<zap.

heat at 13.5v is the same order, with the wdz being perfect (for me) at this temp, the zap being too hot at this temp (it is awesome at 12v) and the pd being more usable than its 12v incarnation but it definitely does not get as hot as the wdz nor the zap at 12v ime.

references to the zap's heat are made with the new version/heat-exchanger in mind. the older zaps were noticeably cooler, though i did not have the pd back then to compare

also, the heat comparisons made above are not meant to make one vape look better or worse than the other. most of us have different preferences regarding vaping temp, so what i prefer is not what another will necessarily

to the guy/gal with the bong issue: contact Todd. he will take care of you. i'll guarantee you that much.

have a nice day

oh, a funny thing about my wdz: my dog tried to pee on it. my dog is a jealous kind and does not like things that i spend a lot of time with. so far he has peed on my acoustic guitar and managed to pee on my laptop (was on a short table, he is a biggish dog). my wdz is in the kitchen. he cannot reach the counter top but he sure has peed on the walls of the counter itself (exactly where the wdz is). funny woof woof. he has never ever messed up the house besides the times mentioned above and one other time when he had diarrhea poor guy. and oh, the laptop survived. it was not an apple. fuck apple. and microsoft too. ok. /rant. carry on.

obelisk said:

heat at 12v goes like this (lowest to highest temp): pd<wdz<zap.

heat at 13.5v is the same order, with the wdz being perfect (for me) at this temp, the zap being too hot at this temp (it is awesome at 12v) and the pd being more usable than its 12v incarnation but it definitely does not get as hot as the wdz nor the zap at 12v ime.

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Just for a bit of clarification, the above results are not shared by some. Many state that their PD runs hotter than their Zaps. As a matter of fact, if memory serves me correctly (and that's debateable), I'd say that MOST users who have used both state that the PD runs warmer than the Zaps, given the same wood used on both.

^^ interesting. i have yet to see a log vape hotter than the new zaps. would be interesting to know if the comparisons you read were with regards to the new zaps or the old style ones. heat levels on a, more or less, static temp vape is important to me and what i stated above is true to my experience. the older zaps for sure were cooler than the wdz, dunno about pd since i never had it when i also had the old style zap. can make a half-baked conclusion based on memory but would rather not. anyway, this is not a zap or pd thread and these kinds of discussions can go on forever and derail threads. i mentioned it because it was a comparison with all 3, something perhaps potential wdz buyers would like to consider. if the pd i bought served me better heat-wise than the other 2 vapes, i probably would still have it. hope you're doing well brother.

obelisk said:

hope you're doing well brother.

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Back at ya......

lwien said:

obelisk said:

hope you're doing well brother.

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Back at ya......

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i'm doing alright man. life is life is. so, do you remember if the comparisons you recall were in reference to the older or newer style zaps? danke.

Both, I think.

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Both, I think.

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thank you. that is interesting because i feel the need for a 13.5v adapter w/ the wdz. for me, that vape is perfect at that voltage. and while the higher 13.5v helped increase the PD's enjoyment factor (for me), i still found it unsatisfactory (when compared to the other two similar vapes i had in my possession then, it is possible that the pd would have been awesome for me if i did not have a comparison point for it).

w/ the new style zaps i saw no need for the 13.5v adapter at all. the stock temp was really great for me. i also distinctly remember comparing the pd w/ the wdz and the wdz was hotter, in a good way, for me, at both 12 and 13.5 v (and, like i mentioned above, i found that the new zaps run hotter than even the wdz). i honestly attributed the pd's temperature to being what the manufacturer intentionally targeted during his design process- after all most of the pd users i recalled (you, vtac for example) have mentioned, iirc, liking the lower temps better. so i kinda figured the temp differences were due to different operating temperatures targeted by respective manufacturers. unrelated to vaporizer inefficiency or anything like that. anyway, interesting stuff. thanks for participating.

So I have had my WDZ for about two weeks now and I absolutely love it, but after a weekend of consistently using my girlfriend's PD I have a few comments. I noticed that the PD produced significantly thicker and more hits per stem than my WDZ, and I want to get to the bottom of this. I understand every model will be slightly different but my theory is that hers is hotter because overall the wood seems thicker.

Does this make sense to all of you? Would it be worthwhile purchase a 13.5 adapter to get the hotter temperature I desire?

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So I have had my WDZ for about two weeks now and I absolutely love it, but after a weekend of consistently using my girlfriend's PD I have a few comments. I noticed that the PD produced significantly thicker and more hits per stem than my WDZ, and I want to get to the bottom of this. I understand every model will be slightly different but my theory is that hers is hotter because overall the wood seems thicker.

Does this make sense to all of you? Would it be worthwhile purchase a 13.5 adapter to get the hotter temperature I desire?

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I think you're spot on with both assumptions. I noticed zaps have thicker wood than wdz, and, IME they run hotter too. I thought the wood thickness could be a part of it, and hearing your experience with PD being hotter and with thicker wood, i feel more certain that it does play a large part of it. There's also the difference in wood, i imagine the PD you tried was cherry, as was the zap that i tried.

I think you should try putting a koozy or whatever they're called on it and see if that gets it hotter before bothering with new adapter.

ioright said:

So I have had my WDZ for about two weeks now and I absolutely love it, but after a weekend of consistently using my girlfriend's PD I have a few comments. I noticed that the PD produced significantly thicker and more hits per stem than my WDZ, and I want to get to the bottom of this. I understand every model will be slightly different but my theory is that hers is hotter because overall the wood seems thicker.

Does this make sense to all of you? Would it be worthwhile purchase a 13.5 adapter to get the hotter temperature I desire?

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You may need to give the wood time to break-in. Some PD and Zap users have noticed that in time their units run a bit warmer than when first purchased. Temporary use of a beer can koozie can help kick up the temperature and shorten the break-in period. How long has your girlfriend's PD been in use?

Both of our units are made of walnut. Hers has been running strong for about 2-3 months now, but I feel like hers has always produced more vapor per stem.

The PD may have started out with dryer wood. I would definitely give it at least 2 or 3 months of always-on break-in period before making a final assessment.

from what i remember, a thinner unit will give warmer hits not cooler. but i am an idiot with a memory long as a gnat's stiffy, so take that for what it is worth.

obelisk said:

from what i remember, a thinner unit will give warmer hits not cooler. but i am an idiot with a memory long as a gnat's stiffy, so take that for what it is worth.

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I thicker vape will retain heat better than a thinner one, kinda like a thicker blanket will keep you warmer than a thinner one........generally.

lwien said:

obelisk said:

from what i remember, a thinner unit will give warmer hits not cooler. but i am an idiot with a memory long as a gnat's stiffy, so take that for what it is worth.

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I thicker vape will retain heat better than a thinner one, kinda like a thicker blanket will keep you warmer than a thinner one........generally.

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thinking about it, you (and the other guys upstairs) are likely correct. a thinner diameter probably means a hotter exterior (walls of vape), which in turn would/could mean heat transfer to the air outside, therefore less heat available to warm the air inside (that eventually passes through the bowl). at least that is how i'm thinking about it, i may be wrong. often am. thanks for forcing me to think at least (yow, you owe me aspirin).

Does anyone know what the specs would be for an adapter and where I could order one?

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Does anyone know what the specs would be for an adapter and where I could order one?

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jameco.com. you need to find a transformer with an output voltage of 12 or 13.5 v (buy both, see which one you prefer) and an output current of a 1000 mA. The connector specs are 2.1 mm ID, 5.5 mm OD. Part number for 12v is 10081.

link to 12v: http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/st...storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&productId=10081

could not find a 13.5 v currently on jameco. ask todd if he has a part number or a link , he may even have some 13.5v transformers on hand that you could buy from him. if not, Rick from Myrtlezap should be able sell you one for cheap. go to the zap thread for his e-mail (click the e-mail button under his username)

obelisk said:

lwien said:

obelisk said:

from what i remember, a thinner unit will give warmer hits not cooler. but i am an idiot with a memory long as a gnat's stiffy, so take that for what it is worth.

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I thicker vape will retain heat better than a thinner one, kinda like a thicker blanket will keep you warmer than a thinner one........generally.

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thinking about it, you (and the other guys upstairs) are likely correct. a thinner diameter probably means a hotter exterior (walls of vape), which in turn would/could mean heat transfer to the air outside, therefore less heat available to warm the air inside (that eventually passes through the bowl). at least that is how i'm thinking about it, i may be wrong. often am. thanks for forcing me to think at least (yow, you owe me aspirin).

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I want to say it was in the PD thread.. or one of the log vape ones. The more dense the material, and the thicker the wood, the lower the temperature will be. It seems counter intuitive, but the heating element is only so powerful. More density/thickness means more of its power is going into constantly heating a wood that is too thick to maintain the same temp as the heating element.

Heat is energy, and if there is a lot of surface area on the wood (thicker diameter), it cools faster and takes more energy to heat up that part of the wood, effectively "cooling" the heating element because the energy that would be used to maintain heat instead has to re-heat the quickly cooling outside layer of the wood.

At least, that is how I reasoned it to myself. But it was stated that the thicker the unit, or more dense the wood, the cooler the unit will be.

mrfloopa, I totally agree with you.
The wood around the heater is an insulator but is also a heat sink in that it will draw heat from the heatport. The more wood, the more it sucks heat from the center and the cooler the the vaping air produced. Same with wood density as we all know(denser wood draws more heat from the center heatport area). If I want a piece to run slightly cooler, I will add a 1/16" or so to the diameter...........er.........not take it away......... Or I will pick a chunk of wood on the denser side. Thinner units will run warmer.

Hey Rick (howza!),

Thanks for chiming in. I've always had the impression that thinner log-vapes run warmer. And from what I remembered, I had heard this from you. When you gave me the new zap, I seem to remember you sending me a thinner one because I liked the hotter temps. And, quite frankly, it worked out very well for me. That zap was the hottest vape I have ever toked out of and was perfect for me at 12v.

I did not want to mention your name earlier cuz a) I wasn't sure if I was remembering it all right b) I looked around in my inbox for some mention of this in our email threads, but was not able to, so thought I probably misremembered the whole thing. Though, I really wrote some long assed e-mails to you back then, and it sure is difficult to scour all that for a small bit of information (those long assed e-mails is one of the reasons I've been too embarrassed to pop in at the Zapper thread to say hellow. heh.)

I'm all confused now how this works but what I do know is the zap was the thinnest of all 3 vapes I had and the hottest. However at the same time, the woodeez was the fattest vape of all 3 and the next hottest. Very confusing. Is it possible that wood density and heat exchanger mass have more of an effect on heat than diameter of vape?

If so, perhaps comparing diameter across diff log vape models is probably not very meaningful, due to variances in heat exchanger mass, primarily; but diameter from one zap to another (or one wdz to another, or one pd to another) would be a more meaningful specification?

Man, just when I was thinking my previous reasoning about hotter exteriors and heat transfer to air outside was a reasonable explanation to all this. Damn, wrong again! oh well.

I hope you and Pat are doing well. Bless the both of ya.

Well, now I know I can always shave down my woodeez if I want it a little hotter. =D But I may end up sending mine back in. The rattling became worse to the point that there is definitely something loose somewhere on my unit. Doesn't seem to affect the heat, though, but it still kinda bothers me.

(EDIT: Just to clarify, this is no way seems to affect the efficiency of the unit. It is just noise, and a pure cosmetic issue. Todd confirmed this.)

On an unrelated note, how do you guys clean the stems? I've only have one stem on me (the others were forced into storage), and haven't really needed to clean it regularly. Then, out of nowhere, the screen is suddenly completely covered save a small hole, making breathing in a real problem. I can't get any airflow through the screen--it all comes from around where the metal meets the plastic, meaning my hits are mostly air and the herb comes out slightly green no matter how long I vape it.

I've been soaking it in alcohol and trying to run water through it/force water through it by blowing it through, to no avail.

(Edit: Apparently I just needed to leave the stem in for longer. Started blowing through it just with forced air and whatever alcohol was caught in it, and it is cleaning up nicely now. Leaving it to soak with other items ended up getting some debris caught in the screen that became hard to remove, so it is probably best to clean this by itself in clean alcohol.)

PS Edit: Also, a shower head that can be set to massage (the 3 jets kinda thing) works wonders. Just hold it up and let that water pressure do the trick. Works better than the sink because it is already pressurized.

I bought a Woodeez vaporizer and have had it for about 2 weeks. Reading FC converted me with all the buzz about the big 3 styles of logs. I decided to contribute my own review to help Although it has the highest reputation for quality, the Pandora was just going to take too long. I didn't feel like gambling with the safety of the components of the Myrtlezap, although I had a hard time letting go of how great the device would look. It's going to sit on my desk all day, so it had better look decent.

I e-mailed Todd first to ask a question about whether or not he could customize the vaporizer go hotter than normal, or if he could select an 'interesting' piece of wood for me. Turns out he's fairly responsive. He just told me to buy a 13.5v adapter and/or use one of those cup warmer sleeves. Good advice, however, I feel that these kinds of adapters will be popular enough to warrant selling as an alternative to the 12v ones. He also said he could look for something interesting. The package came in 4 days total after the order (three of those days were shipping). Really fast.

I first noticed that the device wasn't as good-looking as I'd initially hoped. Nothing really interesting about it. Maybe I've just been drooling over too many Myrtlezap pictures. I've been lazy to apply more wax to it. Nothing really bad about its looks - it's just a functional vape, not a pretty one. The vape itself is the size of a soda can - maybe even a bit less. It has an assuring weight, but doesn't have the presence of, say, a Roor. It is actually quite stealthy in that no one passing by will know what it does. The build quality looks pretty solid. As others have mentioned, the fit of the stem to the heat exchanger is loose. This does not affect the vapor path at all, and actually seems to be a benefit as you don't have to work as hard to fit it into the hole and take it out. The wiggle room could also potentially prevent a user from bending the stem if he doesn't hold the stem perfectly perpendicular to the hole.

Speaking of the hole, it really needs a screen. One should just come pre-installed. Also, it's too easy to burn yourself by touching the top of the hole. The metal is too exposed - flush with the wood. I have burned myself multiple times trying to pick up the Woodeez by the top. The design should be modified so that the use of a screen is easy, and so that the hole is recessed to prevent burns. The diameter of the opening in the wood for the hole should also be reduced for the same reason. Perhaps good considerations for the next iteration of the Woodeez.

Hits like a champ. I am a medium-high tolerance user; I smoke every day, and on weekends I smoke multiple times daily. Two stems are sufficient to get me all the way to [9] (uncomfortable), and one stem will get me to a good level, about [5] (moderate). They are loaded by sucking in gently through the stem to grab what you have grinded, and then tamping it down to prevent the herb from falling into the hole. You can tamp with your finger if you loaded enough. Overpacking will cut efficiency and airflow greatly. After 2 or 3 days of use, I developed proper technique and began to draw slow, long breaths, opening the sides of my mouth to suck in cool air if the vapor is hot or too overpacked to draw well. This is an unfortunately easy mistake to make - perhaps a stem which has a small hole built into it to provide cool air and easier draw would be nice. I might poke a small hole in one of my stems to try this out. Besides the restrictive draw, the vape is easy and pleasant to use.

Mine seems to run hot enough even with the standard 12v adapter. It would have been too hot with one. The vapor clouds from the first hit are fantastic - in fact, sometimes indistinguishable from smoke, save the acrid smell. If I do it right, the second hit comes out with little or no vapor at all, but is necessary to just get the last 20%, 3 if I took short hits. Sometimes I am careless enough to ABV it after just one hit, and I feel that's okay because of the stunning efficiency.

Since so many people seem to fuss over the bowl size, I took a picture of the amount necessary to pack a standard bowl. It is about half the size of the Magic Flight Launch Box's fully-loaded trench - just a tiny pinch. It is truly small.

Friends unfortunately don't seem to like it that much - a lot of people can't accept the vape high. But to me, it's clean and efficient. No acrid smell and much less cleaning. I feel less tired afterward compared to smoking.

Commenting on the nature of log style vapes - at first I was resistant to the idea of having to leave it in all the time, but it really is convenient to have it ready the instant you need it. Waiting an hour to warm up is not the best feeling. It's probably a deal breaker for a lot of people. But it's perfect for frequent users.

Compared to the MFLB: The Launch Box is the ultimate portable vape, but it cannot compete with a good desktop vape. The vapor output is so much more satisfying, and the efficiency is greater (about a 25% better efficiency). The usage is simpler than having to fuss with stripped rechargable batteries. Although, the MFLB will always have a special place with me, and IMO, it's the only decent portable vape.

Looking at the picture, you'll notice a rubber band wrapped around the stem. This is because I have the stem slide into my bong's downstem, and the rubber band stops it from dropping into the water. Then, I can just stick the device onto the stem and draw from the bong. This works out incredibly well, although it is a little awkward to hold the device while drawing. I can't wait to get a tube so it becomes easier.

About 2 heavy smokers can comfortably rotate this device, and 3 light to medium users. A downside of this style of vape is that it can't be used with a lot of people - it won't stay warm enough. It's a good appetizer to a proper group session, though.

To sum this long review up, I like it a lot, and am happy with my purchase. This baby will serve me for years to come. It has a few design quirks, but it is by far the best vape I could have purchased for my needs. Absolutely no regrets. Thanks Todd!

PICTURES:
http://imgur.com/6Ppl6
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What kind of waxes do y'all use? I really like the woodeez wax smell, but I wonder what y'all recommend if I need to pick up something in a pinch. Does any wood paste wax work?

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What kind of waxes do y'all use? I really like the woodeez wax smell, but I wonder what y'all recommend if I need to pick up something in a pinch. Does any wood paste wax work?

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I asked that question a few months back. Results are posted in this thread: http://www.fuckcombustion.com/viewtopic.php?id=4221

Appending my review:

After about a month of ownership, some updates from my previous review:

a) Remember how I said I could clear the bowl in one hit? Nope. In a decent bowl, there's 3-4 good hits. You just have to try. They DO make a difference. I always do at least 3 per bowl now, even for small packs.

b) Friends seem to have started liking this device a lot, especially after figuring out the bong attachment! It does have a max limit of 3 users (and even then it cools down a bit too much)

c) As many, many others have mentioned: WTF, this thing uses ridiculously little product!! Every time I use the Woodeez, I can't help but be amazed at how much this thing conserves. I can't get over how efficient it is. It uses about 30% less as smoking.

d) This thing will pay itself back over time, and smoking at the rate I do (4 grams a month at $60), I estimate that this device will break itself even at 8-9 months. However, this device has also increased my frequency of use and has therefore diminished some of the savings.

Does anyone know where I can get one of those bong attachment tubes?