Discontinued The Woodeez Vaporizer/Diffuser

I haven't ordered one but planning too, I just ordered a transformer from dealextreme(they have a eu plug to 12 volt 1A converter for 4 dollars or so, they also have UK plugs)
and otherwise just go to a DIY electronics store

custom fees are random as far as I know, anything under 26 euros is free(here at least), if it's declared as gift it's 40 euro or so, so if they pick the woodeez out you'll probably get a charge(I believe 7 euros or so basic-charge+a percentage of the valua of your package, looked irt all up when I ordered from dealextreme for the first time last year and when I ordered my VG, my VG didn't get any charges btw, my mom ordered sonme ocarina's last year from other countries too and she got a charge on one of the 2 packages... so if you're lucky you won't get any charges)
but it could be different for the UK, I live in the netherlands
just take a look at the website of your customs, they should have it listed somewhere

o yeah, when my mom got those charges she had to pay them to the mailman... so just in case, make sure you have enough cash at home to pay the charges IF you get them, it would suck if you get your package but can't take it

Ok, so my friend got a zap this week, and I got a chance to use it a few times and was it awesome. Vaping the same herb out of it, we got much much thicker hits much quicker than with my wdz. Also, I tried vaping a stem until i was getting nothing out of it with the wdz and then held the same stem up to the zap (since wdz stems dont quite fit into zaps) and was able to get a couple more decent hits out of it.

So i'm trying to figure out why.

I'm definitely thinking that a large part of it has to do with the stems connection to the heat exchanger, or whatever. With the zap, the stems fit snugly, with the wdz there is a lot of wiggle room. There are also like 6+ air intake holes on the zap vs the 2 on the wdz, and the difference in drag is massive. Hitting an empty stem on my wdz has more resistance than hitting the tightest packed stem imaginable on the zap.

Originally, i was expecting the more airholes and therefor ability to hit the zap faster would actually lead to thinner hits, because of course faster hits usually come out thinner on most vapes. But now i think it causes the opposite. I think the really restricted airflow through the 2 airholes on wdz, along with the gap around the stem that would let air "short circuit" in around it. Like, the air would take the shortest, easiest path, i'd imagine. So cold air could just be coming in around the stem and being sucked up through it, diluting the heated air and lowering the overall vaping temp.

So, my question is: has anyone else came to this same conclusion and found any solution? Like maybe stems with slightly wider diameter, or some sort of shim or whatever that you could put inside the head exchanger hole to make it narrower and therefore fit more snugly with regular stems?

I still love my wdz, dont get me wrong, i just think theres room for improvement obviously. The part about the zap putting out thicker hits/clouds than the wdz doesnt really bother me, since i think too thick is wasteful and you do end up getting fewer hits, but its ability to vape stuff past what the wdz can does.

steiner666 said:

With the zap, the stems fit snugly, with the wdz there is a lot of wiggle room. There are also like 6+ air intake holes on the zap vs the 2 on the wdz, and the difference in drag is massive. Hitting an empty stem on my wdz has more resistance than hitting the tightest packed stem imaginable on the zap.

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That's weird. I have a PD that also uses 2 holes and the stems have a lot of wiggle room and I hardly notice any increase in resistance when the stem is inserted in the heat exchanger versus not inserted in the heat exchanger.

I think it more a matter of temperature than anything else.

steiner this is interesting.......

lwien have you hit a Zap or WDZ to compare? You may think your PD hits great, as I do about my WDZ, but maybe if, like Steiner, we hit a Zap we would then notice the difference?

lwien said:

steiner666 said:

With the zap, the stems fit snugly, with the wdz there is a lot of wiggle room. There are also like 6+ air intake holes on the zap vs the 2 on the wdz, and the difference in drag is massive. Hitting an empty stem on my wdz has more resistance than hitting the tightest packed stem imaginable on the zap.

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That's weird. I have a PD that also uses 2 holes and the stems have a lot of wiggle room and I hardly notice any increase in resistance when the stem is inserted in the heat exchanger versus not inserted in teh heat exchanger.

I think it more a matter of temperature than anything else.

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yeah, definitely a matter of temperature. just trying to figure out exactly why the temp of the air going across the herb is higher than with the wdz, when they're the same basic design, i thought. I would simply assume the zaps heating element ran hotter than the wdz, at least in the case of these particular two, if it wasn't for the differences in airflow. It just seems to make sense to me that having no gap around the stem and more openings for air to flow in the proper direction would have a significant effect on temperate.

theres also wood type differences too, since his zap is cherry, but i wouldnt think that would create this big of a difference.

really i think its probably a combination of the zap running a bit hotter and having, imo, better airflow.

it really reminds me of the differences between the older and newer LB models. The one i bought about a year ago has pretty restricted airflow and low temp, so you could get good hits you just had to hit really really slow and even sometimes microhit to get a nice hit. with the newer models, you can just hit it normal speed and get good results. also, with the zap we got a couple nice thick hits, but then nothing. with the wdz we got a couple nice hits and then a few thinner ones so yeah its definitely a temp difference

It's been my experience that wood types can make a pretty dramatic difference. I have a Cherry and an Ash PD, and the ABV that comes out of the Cherry is a very, very dark brown versus a light golden brown from the Ash.

The other thing that will make a difference is the circumference of the vape itself. Even a few mm can make a temp diff.

lwien said:

It's been my experience that wood types can make a pretty dramatic difference. I have a Cherry and an Ash PD, and the ABV that comes out of the Cherry is a very, very dark brown versus a light golden brown from the Ash.

The other thing that will make a difference is the circumference of the vape itself. Even a few mm can make a temp diff.

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i didnt realize there was that big of a difference with wood type i guess.

I didnt notice much of any size differences. other than that the zaps heat exchanger opening sat about half an inch or so lower in the wood than the wdz.

Steiner, what kind of wood do you have on the WDZ? One thing you can do to make it a bit hotter is cut the toe off an old sock and use the resulting tube as a sweater for your WDZ.

Gunky said:

Steiner, what kind of wood do you have on the WDZ? One thing you can do to make it a bit hotter is cut the toe off an old sock and use the resulting tube as a sweater for your WDZ.

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I'm pretty sure all WDZ are Walnut.

Edit: Went on the website, saw other woods on the pictures. The only option is for Walnut.

Yeah, its walnut. And I've tried using a beer coozy thing with it for a while, but there never was THIS big of a difference.

I can still get a few decently visible hits with a full stem of well ground, dry herb. But his was putting out massive Ssv-like clouds, even with not so well prepared herb. Fewer hits tho in general i think.

Today i tried something different, by applying some of the zaps usage style to my wdz, and it seems to have worked quite well. With a screen installed in the WDZ .. hot air opening or whatever its officially called, I set the stem into it and hit the wdz with the stem remaining almost vertical. after the first hit i left the stem standing in the wdz rather than removing it just before the end of my hit like i normally would.

Subsequent hits seemed much thicker, and the resulting abv is unquestionably browner. I didnt even dump the stem and stir things around like usual. I think leaving the stem in the wdz between hits, even with the loose connection, helps loads vape more evenly because of conduction and hot air rising naturally out of the unit. Not enough to vape off stuff if youre not hitting it, but enough that it helps keep it up to temperature, so that when you do start hitting, its already... partially preheated, i guess you could say. At least, thats my guess.

anyone else tried this?

I put a screen in from day one of my wdz, mainly to prevent shit from falling through into the unit. But I do think it certainly helps create more of a "seal" when you insert the tip. It's by no means a tight fit but if you cut it right ( slightly bigger then the hole) when you jam it down with a stem you will bend the sides up forming it to the inside. I also leave my stem in between tokes as i dont see a reason why it should be pulled out, it just colls down the stem and the herb material and you have to heat it again. When you dont toke the vapour falls back down...aside from the first second or two after a hard toke as it will pull some out.

I used my wdz the first few times with no screen as i was excited to get it back in nov. I think i did see a slight difference in the hits (tiny bit thicker....but then again this will depend on the grade ur putting in).
I just felt from the start the lose fit hurts the performance as when you pull hard enough i bet you pull air through the space between the stem and exchanger. Having a screen in there creates a better seal (though not airtight) and fills that gap from the tip of stem and the inside on the heat exchanger tip.

in the end i dont think there is a BIG difference ( like someone said b4 NOTICEABLE) between a screen and no screen but it def is a no brainer thing to do if yours doesnt have one.

Mine is a wdz cherry. put pics up back then.

2Supra4U said:

.....but it def is a no brainer thing to do if yours doesnt have one.

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It may be a no brainer for you, but it sure isn't a no brainer for me. I've had my PD's for over two year and never felt that I had the need to put in a screen.

I do, however, put my stem in for about 5 seconds before taking a hit. That seems to be the right amount of time to warm things up and get a good healthy hit. In my opinion, leaving the stem in any longer cooks the herb more than necessary for me, and I feel that I may be wasting more vapor than necessary, but that additional 5 seconds provides a hit that is about as thick as I can take, depending on how long I draw.

Yeah i've been doing a lot of "testing" lately and leaving the stem in definitely equals out to thicker hits after the first one. second and third are killer now lol visible in any lighting.

but im not too big a fan of wasting a lot of vapor so i think i might just start pulling the stem for the first few hits, and then leaving the stem in for the rest of the session, so the beginning hits that are already pretty nice wont be too thick, but the thinner hits at the end will be more normal in density.

I have always just vaped it with the stem staying on while there is a bowl in there. I get 4-5 nice clouds that will definitley let you know you are getting some good vapor. No clouds like my EQ (but, that clouds are expected to be smaller) but I definitely am getting clouds as big as the biggest LB hits I can get.

Honestly, I look at my WDZ as a MFLB that I can plug in. I get similar results and similar style hits. Hell, I even use mostly the same technique.

Bam! Just ordered my WDZ. Todd was definitely much nicer than one other competitors I spoke to. I ended up ordering black walnut with 1 long stem. Don't see any major advantages of having a glass one other than one more thing to break, but I could be wrong, there. I, too, will eventually post a review so that people know this vape continues to rock, as everybody else says.

I tried searching through this thread, but I couldn't find a concrete answer to my question. What is the safety like leaving this unit on 24/7? My girlfriend has a PD, and I wanted to get this to compare, but only if I know I can be comfortable leaving it on at all times. Also, are the glass stems still available?

Thanks!

ioright said:

I tried searching through this thread, but I couldn't find a concrete answer to my question. What is the safety like leaving this unit on 24/7? My girlfriend has a PD, and I wanted to get this to compare, but only if I know I can be comfortable leaving it on at all times. Also, are the glass stems still available?

Thanks!

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I've left mine on since i got it back in december and have had no problems with it. There's nothing about it that should make you feel any less comfortable with leaving it on 24/7 than you would a PD. Glass stems were still available last i heard, though lately i seem to agree with the last poster who said they work just like regular stems only theres the potential of breaking them. I personally would rather have gotten a short, medium, and long stems, in hindsight.

I personally would rather have gotten a short, medium, and long stems, in hindsight.

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Is there any advantage to a short stem? I was told they are used mainly to connect to glass, but in theory can't you use a longer one to do that, too? Or is the short stem specifically designed to make it easier (other than being short, of course).

Have any fellow cannucks ordered one of these? What was the shipping time like?

mrfloopa said:

I personally would rather have gotten a short, medium, and long stems, in hindsight.

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Is there any advantage to a short stem? I was told they are used mainly to connect to glass, but in theory can't you use a longer one to do that, too? Or is the short stem specifically designed to make it easier (other than being short, of course).

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yeah pretty much that, just easier for using with glass. a lthough i havent tried one personally, i imagine theyre easier to use than the longer ones, especially with smaller tubes and bubs.

ioright said:

Have any fellow cannucks ordered one of these? What was the shipping time like?

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Ordered one last spring and it took about three weeks to get it.

It's here!!! I still need to go pick it up at the post office, but I am stoked! So stoked, in fact, I had to share it. I'll probably do a review sometime this week, and then after it's been on for a while in case anything changes.

Noice. make sure you wax that bad boy up when you get it I just gave mine a fresh coat today (about the 4th-5th time ive waxed it since i got it in december) and i'm still amazed at how much better it looks/feels afterward. I think im going to have to get or make a larger amount of the stuff so i can wax more like once a week rather than once a month.

steiner666 said:

Noice. make sure you wax that bad boy up when you get it

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I was wondering that when I opened the package. Decided to break it in first, because my girlfriend was impatient (actually, I was, but oh well). It is definitely efficient, I can say that. I need to stop being as clumsy, though, because stuff falling in is a problem for me. It's no so much the smoke, but the smell from it when things fall in. No problem to knock out, just need to hone my technique I guess. I'll get back with a more thorough review after I wax it and it gets its first night of real use. Although, I feel here I'm just preaching to the choir.