flotntoke
thoroughly vaped
Thanks! Triangular tabs right? 3 instead of 4 (on HE4) that look they they hold down the end? It does protrude less, too.
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Thanks! Triangular tabs right? 3 instead of 4 (on HE4) that look they they hold down the end? It does protrude less, too.
Dramma Lamma
Looks like a job for!
Those of us with dogs, I'm in the camp that punishing a dog for chewing up something which is not their toy is fair for punishment. Obviously hitting a dog is not a good thing and never a good idea but you certainly can and should scold them similar to how you would while potty training them not to pee/poo inside.
The thing you need to really instill into them is that something you give them is their toy, nothing else. They don't get to pick what they chew on, at least in the house similar to how they can't pee wherever inside. Its quite a long process when you first start out, but in the end being able to trust your dog to choose what is their toy and what is not is a great result to have. You train the dog not the other way.
On the Ddave mod beta so far:
First off I'd rather the discussion just stay here, I'm a fan of having all info for a given topic condensed all in one place. That goes for any mod, or any vape discussion.
Following that, it makes sense that I personally had 0 fit issue with my kit as the units I and @DDave have are practically identical as they are from the same run.
The variance in the glass joint itself as well as user preference and heater depth looks like it's gonna make getting everyone a nice fit will be a major pain. It took me like six different drop-downs to fit a certain rig properly with 0 wobble so that drives home the challenge here.
Moving forward, which do you guys think would be a preferred option:?
A: The user measures total heater screen depth and we try to make custom requests?
This will increase (substantially) costs and turn around time. It also holds potential for the user to measure wrong or something other mistake to make the item un-usable.
B: We create a set of standardized joint lengths. For example short medium and long, but there could be more than that in theory.
Then the user gets a test fit kit which contains all the joint style possibility's in a cheap incomplete tester pack. The user then decides which style best fits their unit and needs and ordering that size kit.
This will be cheaper (most likely) and should be quicker to get in your hands. The trade-off here is you may wind up with a tad of unused space, and not quite as tight a fit as custom.
You must understand that, I am primarily brainstorming here. I can in no way guarantee that any of the above possibility's will become a reality. Personally I lean towards option B.
Regarding battery life and that green wrapped battery @flotntoke has, they are the same as I received. I have been good off two battery's for a 6 hr day no problem. 14 hr day it's nice to bring three but I usually only get a tiny portion into #3, like one bowl. They start at 4.2 full (duh) and when I feel the decrease in power change from feathering the button, to holding the button and a slow draw then I swap battery. When I get home the fully used batteries are at usually 3.6V-3.85V.
Here are some pics of the battery in question so that some battery guru here may tell us more info about it.
Under the sticker is: Note you can Read W11 as well as C04 under the wrap, or in some really light txt.
Here you can see:
L5G3
43971
76D6
B03
Pic of the top:
Also why are you people babying the 18650? If it were an integrated expensive fix like the mighty or a laptop/ipad or something sure I'd baby it. But really you are gonna baby one of the cheaper, more widely available cells there is?
The thing you need to really instill into them is that something you give them is their toy, nothing else. They don't get to pick what they chew on, at least in the house similar to how they can't pee wherever inside. Its quite a long process when you first start out, but in the end being able to trust your dog to choose what is their toy and what is not is a great result to have. You train the dog not the other way.
On the Ddave mod beta so far:
First off I'd rather the discussion just stay here, I'm a fan of having all info for a given topic condensed all in one place. That goes for any mod, or any vape discussion.
Following that, it makes sense that I personally had 0 fit issue with my kit as the units I and @DDave have are practically identical as they are from the same run.
The variance in the glass joint itself as well as user preference and heater depth looks like it's gonna make getting everyone a nice fit will be a major pain. It took me like six different drop-downs to fit a certain rig properly with 0 wobble so that drives home the challenge here.
Moving forward, which do you guys think would be a preferred option:?
A: The user measures total heater screen depth and we try to make custom requests?
This will increase (substantially) costs and turn around time. It also holds potential for the user to measure wrong or something other mistake to make the item un-usable.
B: We create a set of standardized joint lengths. For example short medium and long, but there could be more than that in theory.
Then the user gets a test fit kit which contains all the joint style possibility's in a cheap incomplete tester pack. The user then decides which style best fits their unit and needs and ordering that size kit.
This will be cheaper (most likely) and should be quicker to get in your hands. The trade-off here is you may wind up with a tad of unused space, and not quite as tight a fit as custom.
You must understand that, I am primarily brainstorming here. I can in no way guarantee that any of the above possibility's will become a reality. Personally I lean towards option B.
Regarding battery life and that green wrapped battery @flotntoke has, they are the same as I received. I have been good off two battery's for a 6 hr day no problem. 14 hr day it's nice to bring three but I usually only get a tiny portion into #3, like one bowl. They start at 4.2 full (duh) and when I feel the decrease in power change from feathering the button, to holding the button and a slow draw then I swap battery. When I get home the fully used batteries are at usually 3.6V-3.85V.
Here are some pics of the battery in question so that some battery guru here may tell us more info about it.
Under the sticker is: Note you can Read W11 as well as C04 under the wrap, or in some really light txt.
Here you can see:
L5G3
43971
76D6
B03
Pic of the top:
Also why are you people babying the 18650? If it were an integrated expensive fix like the mighty or a laptop/ipad or something sure I'd baby it. But really you are gonna baby one of the cheaper, more widely available cells there is?
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Shit Snacks
Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
Those of us with dogs, I'm in the camp that punishing a dog for chewing up something which is not their toy is fair for punishment. Obviously hitting a dog is not a good thing and never a good idea but you certainly can and should scold them similar to how you would while potty training them not to pee/poo inside. The thing you need to really instill into them is that something you give them is their toy, nothing else. They don't get to pick what they chew on, at least in the house similar to how they can't pee wherever inside. Its quite a long process when you first start out, but in the end being able to trust your dog to choose what is their toy and what is not is a great result to have. You train the dog not the other way.
On the Ddave mod beta so far:
First off I'd rather the discussion just stay here, I'm a fan of having all info for a given topic condensed all in one place. That goes for any mod, or any vape discussion.
Following that, it makes sense that I personally had 0 fit issue with my kit as the units I and @DDave have are practically identical as they are from the same run.
The variance in the glass joint itself as well as user preference and heater depth looks like it's gonna make getting everyone a nice fit will be a major pain. It took me like six different drop-downs to fit a certain rig properly with 0 wobble so that drives home the challenge here.
Moving forward, which do you guys think would be a preferred option:?
A: The user measures total heater screen depth and we try to make custom requests?
This will increase (substantially) costs and turn around time. It also holds potential for the user to measure wrong or something other mistake to make the item un-usable.
B: We create a set of standardized joint lengths. For example short medium and long, but there could be more than that in theory.
Then the user gets a test fit kit which contains all the joint style possibility's in a cheap incomplete tester pack. The user then decides which style best fits their unit and needs and ordering that size kit.
This will be cheaper (most likely) and should be quicker to get in your hands. The trade-off here is you may wind up with a tad of unused space, and not quite as tight a fit as custom.
You must understand that, I am primarily brainstorming here. I can in no way guarantee that any of the above possibility's will become a reality. Personally I lean towards option B.
Regarding battery life and that green wrapped battery @flotntoke has, they are the same as I received. I have been good off two battery's for a 6 hr day no problem. 14 hr day it's nice to bring three but I usually only get a tiny portion into #3, like one bowl. They start at 4.2 full (duh) and when I feel the decrease in power change from feathering the button, to holding the button and a slow draw then I swap battery. When I get home the fully used batteries are at usually 3.6V-3.85V.
Here are some pics of the battery in question so that some battery guru here may tell us more info about it.
Under the sticker is: Note you can Read W11 as well as C04 under the wrap, or in some really light txt.
Here you can see:
L5G3
43971
76D6
B03
Pic of the top:
Also why are you people babying the 18650? If it were an integrated expensive fix like the mighty or a laptop/ipad or something sure I'd baby it. But really you are gonna baby one of the cheaper, more widely available cells there is?
What about making all the joints shorter on purpose like those PlanetVape stems? Allows more room for fit? I don't know if length is the only issue or not though...
And yeah I baby em a bit, but I know for a fact RBT and initial tester MrP gave em hell and they held up fine despite wrapping coming undone and heavy discharges etc. Either way they're just good batteries, cheap and durable
Dramma Lamma
Looks like a job for!
Yeah trimming the joints shorter is needed, the question was to do it custom or pre-set.
That will fix the depth issues.
Wobble is a separate joint issue that to be frank is super hard to square away with one item, let alone every MIL out there.
@Dramma Lamma
Yeah I'm a fan of keeping the joints super short so that there's no chance they could contact someone's heater.
One size fits all, no possible room for error.
So I'm just getting destroyed by this wall adaptor. Being able to have every hit be as strong and quick as the first one really makes the Mi my ideal vape. Endless power, consistant results, but with enough room for nuance.
Regarding making more and selling them. Probably not? I'm not against it but I doubt I can sell them at a reasonable price while still making it worthwhile financially for me.
Maybe I can make a step by step guide or something though.
Yeah I'm a fan of keeping the joints super short so that there's no chance they could contact someone's heater.
One size fits all, no possible room for error.
So I'm just getting destroyed by this wall adaptor. Being able to have every hit be as strong and quick as the first one really makes the Mi my ideal vape. Endless power, consistant results, but with enough room for nuance.
Regarding making more and selling them. Probably not? I'm not against it but I doubt I can sell them at a reasonable price while still making it worthwhile financially for me.
Maybe I can make a step by step guide or something though.
@Dramma Lamma
Thanks for advice but I had an awesome Boston terrier for 11 years. For "Gus" we hired a professional to train him. He was "poison proofed" in a month or two. You could drop a toy, a steak, a pill, never ever would he pick it up unless it was his.
I learned a lot from Gus, and his trainer.
Red is another Boston, and what a difference. He is a year and a half and poison proofing is still a work in progress. Not sure why is is a tougher "teach", but he is smart as hell, and picking up stuff thats not his is an ongoing issue that we are making progress with.
He is not training me, I assure you. I've learned much over the years and have done much research on dog training. He is high energy, with a huge ball and food drive, still a work in progress. Again, my fault it is taking this long, but it is not for lack of knowledge.
1) corrections have to be immediate or dog cannot connect
2) instilling fear stunts learning
3) consistency is everything
4) if dog screws up, it's your fault (failure to train)
5) yelling, screaming accomplishes nothing
6) daily training results in compound learning
7) striking an animal is just cruel and accomplishes little
Back to Milaana talk...
One day before cold weather hits I'm gonna take a road trip to Glens Fall, upstate NY. if anybody is interested in meeting up there and visiting the RBT factory, let me know!
Thanks for advice but I had an awesome Boston terrier for 11 years. For "Gus" we hired a professional to train him. He was "poison proofed" in a month or two. You could drop a toy, a steak, a pill, never ever would he pick it up unless it was his.
I learned a lot from Gus, and his trainer.
Red is another Boston, and what a difference. He is a year and a half and poison proofing is still a work in progress. Not sure why is is a tougher "teach", but he is smart as hell, and picking up stuff thats not his is an ongoing issue that we are making progress with.
He is not training me, I assure you. I've learned much over the years and have done much research on dog training. He is high energy, with a huge ball and food drive, still a work in progress. Again, my fault it is taking this long, but it is not for lack of knowledge.
1) corrections have to be immediate or dog cannot connect
2) instilling fear stunts learning
3) consistency is everything
4) if dog screws up, it's your fault (failure to train)
5) yelling, screaming accomplishes nothing
6) daily training results in compound learning
7) striking an animal is just cruel and accomplishes little
Back to Milaana talk...
One day before cold weather hits I'm gonna take a road trip to Glens Fall, upstate NY. if anybody is interested in meeting up there and visiting the RBT factory, let me know!
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WakeAndVape
VapeLife X
That would be the shit!!!
Just a hypothesis...but when I have had any wobble it's because they are slightly too long.Wobble is a separate joint issue that to be frank is super hard to square away with one item, let alone every MIL out there.
The fact that the joint is conical shaped would stop it from plunging too deep correct?
If it's not the case...Maybe a cork skirt on the male stem...would make it easy to manipulate in the users hands and not have to worry about sending sample pieces back and forth and also save some postage
Vapenvy
Indie vaper
All this talk about how awesome the 14mm @DDave mod is for awesome hits is pretty amusing given the original design for Milaana was a14mm (or was it 10?) Which was abandoned in favour of the larger stem...
Having said that, irespective of performance, i totally understand the logic of having the same stem type for both (all) RBT vapes. I will certainly benefit from that decision once my Zion arrives.
I must admit, though, i am quite intrigued by 14mm mod.
Having said that, irespective of performance, i totally understand the logic of having the same stem type for both (all) RBT vapes. I will certainly benefit from that decision once my Zion arrives.
I must admit, though, i am quite intrigued by 14mm mod.
Dramma Lamma
Looks like a job for!
Short enough to fit is certainly needed.
However a overly short joint will create more space between the heater and the herb.
That will slightly affect battery life and power/performance the farther the heat must travel.
Hence why the variable fitting system was though of.
One size fits all will mean some people may get a bit of a short end of the stick.
Either way this is personally a moot point as I'm just going to grind anything I use down to my ideal level, but not everyone has all the equipment/experience to do that. Just trying to get more people out there an experience like I'm getting.
HD Springer
Well-Known Member
Damn that's freaking sweet @ZC. You went about this like a man on a mission. And look at your reward. The very first Rbt plug in Milaana log. The very first did I say that already. Nice
I like that it's at an 18mm that we can then reduce to a 14mm. Best of both worlds. When I'm on the go and reloading is a bitch then I like that I can load a deep stem and treat my mi like it's a session vape. Best of both worlds.
I like that it's at an 18mm that we can then reduce to a 14mm. Best of both worlds. When I'm on the go and reloading is a bitch then I like that I can load a deep stem and treat my mi like it's a session vape. Best of both worlds.
KeroZen
Chronic vapaholic
Alright but there's already four other 3rd party stems sources that I'm aware of (cannabis.pro, PV, Alan, Ed) and one has a dedicated thread while two others are I imagine hidden in their maker's own thread. So that would feel a bit unfair to merge a single one in here maybe no?
Anyways I think this decision belongs to the mods, not us.
I drive mine down to 3.3V usually, that's the only way for me to get 3 sessions out of them. If I stopped at the level you say I would get 1.5 or 2 sessions.
I have no idea how you guys can get so many stems per cell like you all report. But it's the same with the Zion, I get only 4 sessions when the others get way more. I always assumed it was down to my technique and the fact that I take numerous small hits vs few large rips (I use both exclusively dry and I don't have iron lungs)
hweezi
formally cwheezy
Just dropped it on its top from a 4 ft drop on pavement. Just trying to put it back in its pouch.
Seems to be still functioning still, haven't been really able to test it.
No idea if internals are damaged. Nothing's shaking inside. Just a dent on the side it hit.
God I felt like I was gonna be sick.
Seems to be still functioning still, haven't been really able to test it.
No idea if internals are damaged. Nothing's shaking inside. Just a dent on the side it hit.
God I felt like I was gonna be sick.
AJS
Calm Consistency
This nearly knocked the wind out of me it was so funny.
Milaana got me gooooood.
I've felt every one of these so definitively, that it instantly flashed me back to those feelings. Too funny dude. Oh man.
I originally, before being interrupted by laughter, came here to post about a positive experience today. I'm sitting out back of this coffee shop and pick up the newspaper in the chair next to me as I'm sipping on my Milaana. The first article is about how the first medical cbd marijuana dispensary had opened in my state (despite medical marijuana not passing in 2014). Unfortunately, the articles mentioned the sad truth that this clearly isn't enough, but I'm happy knowing that this opened, and remain hopeful that it will soon lead to the right solution.
Sure makes me feel more confident with my Milaana. Not by much, but it's in the right direction.
Using the short stem out here, first time using it in a while, oi, that's harsh. Not unbearable, and could be avoided with lower temps, but I need to do as few hits as possible so I try to make em big. If I was fishing or something more open I could take my time and keep the temp down, but not here.
Hmm, maybe I'll get some "flower drops" when I come out here so I'll get the cooler vapor and blend in a wee bit more.
Every time I get a new vape, the first thing I do, unconsciously, is compare to Milaana. Sometimes the vape will have a place, but I have a strong feeling nothing will beat the Milaana for a long time to come, and then it will be a better Milaana, or Milaana accessory.
Kinda takes some of the fun outta VAS.
For the sake of future improvements, since we are sort of the "control group" for RBT, let's throw out our biggest one or two "needs improvements" or things you'd like to see upgraded. We all kinda know about finish and expensive electronic upgrades - maybe good maybe not, but try and keep it to what's likely to happen, or even impossible mods or technique. Thanks for making this such an awesome vape!
For me
1. Cooler would be nice, a bit less harsh when dry.
2. Less focus required for best draw. Great alone, sometimes tough in conversation.
Kinda takes some of the fun outta VAS.
For the sake of future improvements, since we are sort of the "control group" for RBT, let's throw out our biggest one or two "needs improvements" or things you'd like to see upgraded. We all kinda know about finish and expensive electronic upgrades - maybe good maybe not, but try and keep it to what's likely to happen, or even impossible mods or technique. Thanks for making this such an awesome vape!
For me
1. Cooler would be nice, a bit less harsh when dry.
2. Less focus required for best draw. Great alone, sometimes tough in conversation.
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Same tech, more battery, settable power level.
herbivore21
Well-Known Member
Great idea sir! There seem to be some very appealing aspects to the milaana but atm there have been a small handful of limitations that have stopped me getting on board. Here is my wishlist in order to become a Milaana owner:
1. SS/glass airpath tubes set in the wood (with the goal of having no wood in vapor path for claim to build up on!!!). Similar to design of the e-nano, which was a predominately wooden vaporizer but which has no wooden section for reclaim to soak into and get all funky. I use very, very melty concentrates and cannot risk a portable vape that stinks due to wood that has ended up full of resin. My vapman got disgusting like this over time!
2. Consistent tolerances/sizes/shapes of all components on future milaana units to allow for accessories to be made that reliably work with each unit from this point onwards (I got the impression that DDave had trouble making his mods for this unit since different units have different sized components and this has made adapting a mod to all milaana units difficult). If I've misunderstood some aspect of this situation rendering this point moot - please ignore this one.
3. Glue-less design. Could use an SS retaining nut instead that could hold a screen in place (and also perhaps an SS airpath in place to address point #1)!
These are definitely not vape/manufacturer bashing btw. There are just certain needs in a vape that I do not compromise on. These are the things that would make a milaana something I'd buy right away!
@Bravest
I mean I kinda don't get what you mean by cooler or how that could be achieved because with the Mi you control the heat.
Vapor extraction comes from heat, so if you want huge clouds and huge draws yeaah, usually there's heat involved. Mitigating that heat is up to you, through either pressing the button less or using a longer stem or using water, etc etc.
The only other way I can think of that would cool down the vapor is some crazy spiral airpath like the Plenty or the Sidekick.
As far as improvements for the Mi, well I just fixed my biggest complaint with the power adaptor. My only other wants are a glue-less, user-replaceable female glass joint, and exotic wood.
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I'm really confused about this comment because there is no wood in the vapor path? Like the only wood that air touches is during the intake, once it hits the heater there's no more chance for the air to touch wood. Unless you're blowing back into your vape, there shouldn't be any chance that resin builds up on the wood. I mean do correct me if you're experiencing something I'm not getting here but I don't understand how this is concern with the Mi.
I mean I kinda don't get what you mean by cooler or how that could be achieved because with the Mi you control the heat.
Vapor extraction comes from heat, so if you want huge clouds and huge draws yeaah, usually there's heat involved. Mitigating that heat is up to you, through either pressing the button less or using a longer stem or using water, etc etc.
The only other way I can think of that would cool down the vapor is some crazy spiral airpath like the Plenty or the Sidekick.
As far as improvements for the Mi, well I just fixed my biggest complaint with the power adaptor. My only other wants are a glue-less, user-replaceable female glass joint, and exotic wood.
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I'm really confused about this comment because there is no wood in the vapor path? Like the only wood that air touches is during the intake, once it hits the heater there's no more chance for the air to touch wood. Unless you're blowing back into your vape, there shouldn't be any chance that resin builds up on the wood. I mean do correct me if you're experiencing something I'm not getting here but I don't understand how this is concern with the Mi.
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cybrguy
Putin is a War Criminal
Uh, well, as regards #1, there is no place in either the Milaana or the Zion where there is wood in the vapor path. The only place air passes wood is before the air is heated. Once heated the vapor only travels through glass.Great idea sir! There seem to be some very appealing aspects to the milaana but atm there have been a small handful of limitations that have stopped me getting on board. Here is my wishlist in order to become a Milaana owner:
1. SS/glass airpath tubes set in the wood (with the goal of having no wood in vapor path for claim to build up on!!!). Similar to design of the e-nano, which was a predominately wooden vaporizer but which has no wooden section for reclaim to soak into and get all funky. I use very, very melty concentrates and cannot risk a portable vape that stinks due to wood that has ended up full of resin. My vapman got disgusting like this over time!
2. Consistent tolerances/sizes/shapes of all components on future milaana units to allow for accessories to be made that reliably work with each unit from this point onwards (I got the impression that DDave had trouble making his mods for this unit since different units have different sized components and this has made adapting a mod to all milaana units difficult). If I've misunderstood some aspect of this situation rendering this point moot - please ignore this one.
3. Glue-less design. Could use an SS retaining nut instead that could hold a screen in place (and also perhaps an SS airpath in place to address point #1)!
These are definitely not vape/manufacturer bashing btw. There are just certain needs in a vape that I do not compromise on. These are the things that would make a milaana something I'd buy right away!
As regards #2 I can't say about recently shipped devices, but both of my units have normal US joints with no inconsistency in sizing.
As regards #3 the only adhesive used is in holding the female joint in place, and only ambient air passes that spot, no heated air. And that adhesive is medical grade. The screen is held in place by friction, not adhesive.
herbivore21
Well-Known Member
The space around the heater underneath the load appears not to be sealed in airtight with non absorbent material and if this is the case, especially when used upside down (on a rig for example, which this vape seems to really shine for) and between draws - vapor is gonna be in this area.
To a much lesser extent, the air intake where the air comes into the unit could end up with excess vapor sitting inside it during use especially if used upside down on a bubbler and even more especially if someone has to cough while inhaling and blows back into the rig a bit. This frequently happens when I let friends use my vapes - not enough to get water back up the bubbler into the vape (which would be a real problem for a lot of vapes) but enough to leave vapor in the wooden section. My concern is that it will not be possible to fully clean this wooden section out and that smell could even build up in this way over time.
for #1 see above. You may be in a situation where this factor (especially regarding smell) is not a concern for you. Nonetheless, it is for me.
For #2, a few pages back a bunch of ddave mods (such as have been made for many other vapes now) variously did or did not fit all of the milaana units they were made for. There were some wondering if there are inconsistencies in tolerances/sizes of some of the relevant components IIRC. As I said, this is a less major point for my needs.
#3 That glass being held in place by adhesive will get hot with all that hot air passing through it. Borosilicate can handle up to 930f or so before getting thermal stress. Can the medical grade adhesive put up with the associated high temps of the adjoining glass during use repeatedly and over time? The suggested max temp for the adhesive used according to RBT is 300f. This is reasonable, most medical applications don't involve high temps before 300f. Even normal flower vaping may not achieve temps like this around the glass for prolonged periods. However I am a predominately concentrate using kinda person and require considerably hotter temps all the time.
IIRC I also recall people mentioning excess glue on their intake screens too. I am not telling you what to use or not of course, but as for me, I'm not gonna use a vape with glue of any kind near hot areas of the unit or anywhere in the vapor/airpath.
My usage is very heavy duty with concentrates that require a lot more heat than flowers too. I never plan to vape flowers alone in a milaana. As I say, my case may be different to yours. I am not saying the Milaana in current form is not enjoyable for many, it clearly is. Just saying what would make it fit my needs.
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Shit Snacks
Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
The space around the heater underneath the load appears not to be sealed in airtight with non absorbent material and if this is the case, especially when used upside down (on a rig for example, which this vape seems to really shine for) and between draws - vapor is gonna be in this area.
To a much lesser extent, the air intake where the air comes into the unit could end up with excess vapor sitting inside it during use especially if used upside down on a bubbler and even more especially if someone has to cough while inhaling and blows back into the rig a bit. This frequently happens when I let friends use my vapes - not enough to get water back up the bubbler into the vape (which would be a real problem for a lot of vapes) but enough to leave vapor in the wooden section. My concern is that it will not be possible to fully clean this wooden section out and that smell could even build up in this way over time.
for #1 see above. You may be in a situation where this factor (especially regarding smell) is not a concern for you. Nonetheless, it is for me.
For #2, a few pages back a bunch of ddave mods (such as have been made for many other vapes now) variously did or did not fit all of the milaana units they were made for. There were some wondering if there are inconsistencies in tolerances/sizes of some of the relevant components IIRC. As I said, this is a less major point for my needs.
#3 That glass being held in place by adhesive will get hot with all that hot air passing through it. Borosilicate can handle up to 930f or so before getting thermal stress. Can the medical grade adhesive put up with the associated high temps of the adjoining glass during use repeatedly and over time? The suggested max temp for the adhesive used according to RBT is 300f. This is reasonable, most medical applications don't involve high temps before 300f. Even normal flower vaping may not achieve temps like this around the glass for prolonged periods. However I am a predominately concentrate using kinda person and require considerably hotter temps all the time.
IIRC I also recall people mentioning excess glue on their intake screens too. I am not telling you what to use or not of course, but as for me, I'm not gonna use a vape with glue of any kind near hot areas of the unit or anywhere in the vapor/airpath.
My usage is very heavy duty with concentrates that require a lot more heat than flowers too. I never plan to vape flowers alone in a milaana. As I say, my case may be different to yours. I am not saying the Milaana in current form is not enjoyable for many, it clearly is. Just saying what would make it fit my needs.
If you clear after letting off the button (not holding too long at a time, using residual heat --- also good or keeping hits cool btw) as it says in instructions (I believe) then this is not an issue.
We're no offended or defending, just clarifying for you if these are your concerns, like accessories, all latest Milaanas should be identical (seems like early units are where the inconsistencies with DDave's mods come from)
KeroZen
Chronic vapaholic
I might be wrong but the scenario you describe seems very unlikely. Even upside down, all vapor travels through the load and down into the stem or adapter. Then when you stop drawing, the vapor would need to rise and go through the load again, then continue rising into the heater. Frankly I don't know... but if that happened we should all have our heater screen gunk some with time but in practice it stays perfectly clean?
The device doesn't seem to develop any internal smell either...
Now if you cough in the stem, alright, but isn't it the same with all portables? But let's say it happens, some vapor would condense on the heater and the glass tube (very unlikely as condensation happens on colder material contact, not on burning hot ones) then it would burn or re-vaporize next time you hit it no? But I'm curious what idea(s) you have in mind that could prevent this altogether?
For your other points, I second what has been said already: there's no wood in the vapor path (but some in the air intake path) and to me there's only a very small interface of glue exposed to the air intake (and on my unit the glue stops way before the SS mesh location on both sides, contrary to that unlucky user who posted pictures with excess glue coming very close to the air intake, and to me that would be a manufacturing defect)
Those who know me also know how I am a materials safety nazi. I nagged Ryan so much for this glue part, believe me. But we reviewed the material safety datasheets together, and while (of course) I would prefer for it to be completely absent, I feel very confident that it doesn't pose any health safety risk the way it is used.
Safety aspect aside, I would have bitched like an angry badger if I had smelled the faintest hint of glue and if it affected the taste in any way. I'm super sensitive to chemical smells and tastes, I even stopped using my Ascent due to the silicone they used, and if you read the FM8 and Elo beta-testing it was also a disaster... But in the Zi and the Mi, the only thing I could smell was wood when they were fresh out of the factory (and my alpha Zi which was made out of an older block of wood that was more seasoned had absolutely zero smell, zilch nada niet rien!)
Now I must think what improvements I would want for the Mi, but currently I see none. Maybe shave 1mm from both side of the body to make it slimmer? But if that makes the wood more fragile, then it's not worth it....
EDIT : for the variations, unfortunately you can ask anyone working with glass: it's impossible to get tight tolerances in manufacturing, even when it's automated.
The device doesn't seem to develop any internal smell either...
Now if you cough in the stem, alright, but isn't it the same with all portables? But let's say it happens, some vapor would condense on the heater and the glass tube (very unlikely as condensation happens on colder material contact, not on burning hot ones) then it would burn or re-vaporize next time you hit it no? But I'm curious what idea(s) you have in mind that could prevent this altogether?
For your other points, I second what has been said already: there's no wood in the vapor path (but some in the air intake path) and to me there's only a very small interface of glue exposed to the air intake (and on my unit the glue stops way before the SS mesh location on both sides, contrary to that unlucky user who posted pictures with excess glue coming very close to the air intake, and to me that would be a manufacturing defect)
Those who know me also know how I am a materials safety nazi. I nagged Ryan so much for this glue part, believe me. But we reviewed the material safety datasheets together, and while (of course) I would prefer for it to be completely absent, I feel very confident that it doesn't pose any health safety risk the way it is used.
Safety aspect aside, I would have bitched like an angry badger if I had smelled the faintest hint of glue and if it affected the taste in any way. I'm super sensitive to chemical smells and tastes, I even stopped using my Ascent due to the silicone they used, and if you read the FM8 and Elo beta-testing it was also a disaster... But in the Zi and the Mi, the only thing I could smell was wood when they were fresh out of the factory (and my alpha Zi which was made out of an older block of wood that was more seasoned had absolutely zero smell, zilch nada niet rien!)
Now I must think what improvements I would want for the Mi, but currently I see none. Maybe shave 1mm from both side of the body to make it slimmer? But if that makes the wood more fragile, then it's not worth it....
EDIT : for the variations, unfortunately you can ask anyone working with glass: it's impossible to get tight tolerances in manufacturing, even when it's automated.
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