The 2016 Presidential Candidates Thread

lwien said:

"Donald Trump encourages Russia to hack Hillary Clinton"
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/27/politics/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-hack-hillary-clinton/index.html

So now we have a presidential candidate encouraging a foreign power to commit espionage on the US. WTF?!?

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And his supporters will love this....
Could you imagine if Obama said this or anyone else for that matter... it would be the end for them...crazy and unprecedented times we be in..

I need to see my budtender...

lwien said:

"Donald Trump encourages Russia to hack Hillary Clinton"
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/27/politics/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-hack-hillary-clinton/index.html

So now we have a presidential candidate encouraging a foreign power to commit espionage on the US. WTF?!?

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And it will be treated like it is no big deal. This is how Trump has damaged us in very important ways that we aren't paying enough attention to. Because there is little push back on the Donald because it is the Donald and nothing is going further than we now expect him to, we are seriously damaging the whole level of communication and loosing the limits on acceptability. How do we ever come back? Has Trump already done permanent damage to the way Americans communicate?

@lwien i bet Trump will say that he was just joking. That's probably how he will weasel out of any negative statements regarding to the hacking and finding Hillary's emails that are missing. He continues to put his foot in his mouth. It's so bazaar that he's not held accountable for anything.

This isn't part of the presidential thread but Freddy Grey's family needs to sue the city of Baltimore. That's their only option is a civil suit.

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What Trump said could be termed as espionage. To encourage Russia to hack Hillary's emails. Trump's staff is in clean up mode right now.

Hey if Trump keeps the gaffes and outrages up he's gonna lose in an historic landslide and maybe deliver both houses of Congress to the dems. At his current rate his polls may plunge so badly he backs out before the election.

Very soon the chorus of voices demanding to see his tax returns will become deafening, given his shady connections to Russia. Possibly the FBI should investigate him before the election.

If the FBI investigates Trump, the most likely scenario will be "we recommend no charges because although its illegal, the intent wasn't illegal." Oh wait, that only works for the Clintons...

Trump's job this week is to steal the oxygen from the DNC.

He can and will, say anything he needs to. When the DNC is over and someone calls him out on these crazy statements .... he'll simply put that smug look on his face and say he said what he needed to in order to win the war for the ears of the voters.

The man makes Teflon look like super glue.

CarolKing said:

@lwien i bet Trump will say that he was just joking. That's probably how he will weasel out of any negative statements regarding to the hacking and finding Hillary's emails that are missing. He continues to put his foot in his mouth. It's so bazaar that he's not held accountable for anything.

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He won't appoligize he will keep on rolling and his supporters will get more and more fired up...nuts.

Gunky said:

Hey if Trump keeps the gaffes and outrages up he's gonna lose in an historic landslide and maybe deliver both houses of Congress to the dems. At his current rate his polls may plunge so badly he backs out before the election.

Very soon the chorus of voices demanding to see his tax returns will become deafening, given his shady connections to Russia. Possibly the FBI should investigate him before the election.

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I hope ur right but the opposite has been true so far..the more crud he spews it seems the more support he gets...again weird unprecedented times we be in

Gunky said:

Very soon the chorus of voices demanding to see his tax returns will become deafening, given his shady connections to Russia. Possibly the FBI should investigate him before the election.

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From your fingers to the eyes of someone who can actually DO something about it...

Bdubbdiblets said:

He won't appoligize he will keep on rolling and his supporters will get more and more fired up...nuts.

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I HOPE that the further he goes the more people drop out from the fringes of his followers. Not everyone who follows him is all in on his worst behavior. While it seems like it takes a lot to get a follower to abandon him, the more standard deviations from the mean he is, the fewer who will go along.

Trump has set himself up well with his persona. He takes pride in his exaggerations and lies. That's a very different relationship than Clinton. Clinton always pretends to be honest, and then later gets caught in a myriad of lies causing some massive bleeding in the polls, even if temporary.

Even rabid, hardline repubs like Jennifer Rubin at the Washington Post are becoming exercised about Trump's Russian connections and the possibility that Putin might own Trump: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...s-the-scoop-with-russia-and-the-u-s-election/

Trump has sought and received funding from Russian investors for his business ventures, especially after most American banks stopped lending to him following his multiple bankruptcies. Trump’s de facto campaign manager, Paul Manafort, was a longtime consultant to Viktor Yanukovich, the Russian-backed president of Ukraine who was overthrown in 2014. Manafort also has done multimillion-dollar business deals with Russian oligarchs.

Trump’s foreign policy advisor Carter Page has his own business ties to the state-controlled Russian oil giant Gazprom. He recently delivered a speech in Moscow slamming the United States for its “hypocritical focus on ideas such as democratization” and praising Russia for a foreign policy supposedly built on “noninterference,” “tolerance” and “respect.” (Try telling that to Ukraine.) Another Trump foreign policy advisor, retired Army Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, flew to Moscow last year to attend a gala banquet celebrating Russia Today, the Kremlin’s propaganda channel, and was seated at the head table near Putin. Flynn is a regular guest on Russia Today; he refuses to say whether he gets paid.

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"If it is Russia, and they are interring with our elections, I can assure you both parties and the United States government will ensure there are serious consequences."
---Mike Pence

Unfortunately, this is EXACTLY what the Presidential nominee should have said but rather than say that, he encouraged Russia to continue to do what they are doing.

Edit: The GOP "board room" must just be going nuts over this. Their nominee is in the process of taking the GOP apart brick by brick unit there won't be anything left and there's not a damn thing that they can do about it.

yogoshio said:

Trump has set himself up well with his persona. He takes pride in his exaggerations and lies. That's a very different relationship than Clinton. Clinton always pretends to be honest, and then later gets caught in a myriad of lies causing some massive bleeding in the polls, even if temporary.

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This is an interesting point Trump has been so outrageous from the start that we aren't surprised any more by what comes out of his wacky dome...in fact I think he even said he could shoot someone and continue getting more and more support..Perhaps some feel more comfortable knowing first that what they are about to bite into is indeed a shit sandwich..commence giant bite.

Do you think Pence yet gets the mistake he made? I wonder if there is a point at which Pence will balk? I wonder what Pence would DO if he decided that he just can't play along anymore. He is an ultraconsevative, but even I don't think he is a monster.

Very wrong, but not a monster. His boss, however, is unmistakable...

BTW, when discussing who's owned by the Russians, Biden's family has direct ties (his son I believe) directly involved in an oil/energy company that was lobbying for Ukrainian takeover.

Not owned, but definitely interested. My point being this is not on just one political side.

I was just thinking, meaning I haven't read this anywhere yet, that if nato/fbi/cia/etc. wanted to set the russians up for the fall on this whole wikileaks email thing, that they could probably convince the esteemed estonian hacking community to do the job pretty easily, with effective cyrillic trail cover-ups and all.

edit: Remember kids, you read it here first

Donald Trump repeatedly proves that he only jumped into the presidential race to get attention and make the headlines. He spews hatred and makes outlandish remarks on a near-daily basis because he knows it’ll help him make the news.

He knows all of his policy proposals – to the extent that they can be considered proposals – are unworkable and borderline insane, but his goal isn’t to make sense or offer serious solutions; it’s to enrich himself.

Heck, he’s practically profiting from his presidential run.

Trump may occasionally slip up and reveal to the world he doesn’t really want to be the leader of the free world, but those of us who have been listening to him speak and watching him conduct himself for the past year already know the truth.

Trump’s presidential campaign is a monumental con job. If you think he’s in this race for anything but himself, then I’ve got a giant bridge to sell you or a giant wall.


FOX Newspersonality and political lightning rod Bill O'Reilly defended the working conditions slaves faced while building the White House by offering the following explanation during The O'Reilly Factor on Tuesday:

"Slaves that worked there were well-fed and had decent lodgings provided by the government, which stopped hiring slave labor in 1802. However, the feds did not forbid subcontractors from using slave labor. So, Michelle Obama is essentially correct in citing slaves as builders of the White House, but there were others working as well. Got it all? There will be a quiz."

Bill O'Reilly is a slime ball. He and Trump are made of the same cloth. He has no idea either what kind of conditions those slave were under.
Michelle Obama made an exquisite speech the other night.
CK

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-gas-company-is-a-problem-for-u-s-soft-power/

I know, just completely imaginary shit...

Oh my lord, of course I do.

That company was lobbying for Russian intervention.

I should just bow out. If I even question the conceived world view somehow I'm a moron.

CarolKing said:

Donald Trump repeatedly proves that he only jumped into the presidential race to get attention and make the headlines. He spews hatred and makes outlandish remarks on a near-daily basis because he knows it’ll help him make the news.

He knows all of his policy proposals – to the extent that they can be considered proposals – are unworkable and borderline insane, but his goal isn’t to make sense or offer serious solutions; it’s to enrich himself.

Heck, he’s practically profiting from his presidential run.

Trump may occasionally slip up and reveal to the world he doesn’t really want to be the leader of the free world, but those of us who have been listening to him speak and watching him conduct himself for the past year already know the truth.

Trump’s presidential campaign is a monumental con job.CK

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I think there's some validity to this, I recall an interview by Mark Cuban stating he thinks Trump will gain substantially from losing. It seems he will gain substantially regardless...he has already won no matter what happens in the election. As much as it hurts to say this.... is trump quite possibly the smartest guy in the room?

Bdubbdiblets said:

As much as it hurts to say this.... is trump quite possibly the smartest guy in the room?

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Depends on the room. In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king...

It would be a mistake to think that Trump doesn't know what he is doing.

I don't know if he is just having us all on but so far Trump has given every indication that he thinks being president is just the same as his current gig as businessman, that no special knowledge about history, policy or international relations is required for the presidency, and that in government as in (his) business everything is just a temporary bargaining stance, no agreements are binding, and if all else fails he can walk away with bags of money and let the rubes take the hit.

steama said:

You are making insinuations the the Russians or Putin somehow owns the Bidens because a member of their family has done business with the Ukrainians?

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I think that's all he was bringing up, that the families have history of doing multi-national business together. No problemo, like the bush family's pre-9/11 business ties with the bin laden family wasn't a problem.

Nothing to see here !

neverforget711 said:

the democratic convention has alienated citizens monday and men yesterday. At this rate she will have slighted as many social bodies as Trump by the time this is over.

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Really? I did not get that at all. In fact I got the opposite.

lwien said:

History doesn't include someone like Donald Trump...........well maybe Goldwater.

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Goldwater was NOTHING like Tramp - either as a campaign or as a candidate - although there were roughly comparable levels of deception, lying and dissembling, and the Goldwater campaign had a cavalier attitude toward personal property: I remember being given the assignment of putting Goldwater bumper stickers on all the cars in the shopping-center parking lot - covering any competing stickers in the process