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The 2016 Presidential Candidates Thread

lwien

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And they both should be held accountable, not ignore it since everyone is doing it.

Totally agree with you. What SHOULD happen is that there should be clear cut laws on this issue as well as new rules laid out to discourage this kind of activity plus oversight by a bipartisan committee that is always in session to monitor such activities.

...lets make a smoke screen to change the direction of the media.

And that's an inherant part of ANY campaign process, i.e., manipulating the media. Trump is a master at this.
 
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cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
White supremacists feel inspired by Trump’s 2016 campaign
07/25/16 10:00 AM
By Steve Benen

Former KKK leader David Duke launched a U.S. Senate campaign on Friday, and in his announcement remarks, the Louisianan felt compelled to give a certain presidential hopeful a spirited shout-out. “I’m overjoyed to see Donald Trump and most Americans embraced most of the issues that I have championed for years,” Duke said.

It’s part of an increasingly difficult dynamic for the Republican Party, most of which was quick to denounce Duke’s Senate bid. As the campaign season has progressed, Trump’s candidacy became a source of inspiration for bigots on the right-wing fringe, as the Associated Press reported over the weekend.

“I don’t think people have fully recognized the degree to which he’s transformed the party,” said Richard Spencer, a clean-cut 38-year-old from Arlington, Virginia, who sipped Manhattans as he matter-of-factly called for removing African-Americans, Hispanics and Jews from the United States.

Like most in his group, Spencer said this year’s convention was his first. On his social media accounts, he posted pictures of himself wearing a red Trump “Make America Great Again” hat at Quicken Loans Arena. And he says he hopes to attend future GOP conventions.
“Tons of people in the alt-right are here,” he said, putting their numbers at the RNC this week in the dozens. “We feel an investment in the Trump campaign.”

Note, the “we” in that sentence refers to white supremacists.

I’ll confess my first instinct when it comes to covering extremists like these is to deny their madness any kind of spotlight, but in 2016, that no longer seems like a responsible course. These organized racists have been inspired by a Republican presidential candidate – who, himself, has been described as a racist on multiple occasions – in ways the American mainstream simply hasn’t seen in modern times.

Not to put too fine a point on this, but if white supremacists are feeling legitimized by a competitive, major-party presidential candidate, that’s a development voters should take very seriously.

In isolation, various incidents may seem easy to overlook, but collectively, an ugly series warrants attention. It’s not just Trump’s own racist rhetoric that raises concern; it’s also the white supremacists who were elected as Republican delegates (who were later forced out by party officials); the racist social-media accounts whose messages were promoted at the Republican convention (they were later dismissed as an accident); and even Republican convention speakers who, as recently as the weekend, endorsed anti-Semitic comments (this, too, was later described as an accident).

As for Duke’s candidacy, NBC’s Chuck Todd asked Trump on “Meet the Press” yesterday, “Would you support a Democrat over David Duke if that was what was necessary to defeat him?”

Trump replied, “I guess, depending on who the Democrat is, but the answer would be yes.”

In February, Trump hedged when asked about the KKK and Duke.
 

ReggieB

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Illegal activity? What illegal activity.

On another note, I don't know if anyone else has noticed but since Ailes left Fox, it seemed to have dulled the edges just a bit in their right winged rhetoric. They have given more negative responses in regards to Trump than I have ever seen before. Not strong negative responses but there were there nonetheless which I didn't see prior to Ailes departure.........or maybe, it's just all in my head.:shrug:
Meh, if you think fox have dulled their edges it's only because they're becoming a slightly more polished turd now that the murdochs have taken over. It's owned by news corp. which has syndicated publications all across the globe, many in america... If you want to know what lows they will stoop to, google 'sun newspaper hacking', that should get you started. It would not surprise me if I heard that murdoch and trump had become celestially aligned over the last week.
 

cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
In Clinton’s March to Nomination, Many Democrats Changed Their Minds
90% of ‘consistent’ Sanders supporters favor Clinton over Trump

Hillary Clinton led Bernie Sanders for the Democratic nomination in every Pew Research Center survey conducted throughout the party’s primaries. But many Democratic voters vacillated in their candidate support throughout this period.

Today, however, overwhelming shares of all Democratic and Democratic-leaning registered voters – including 90% who consistently supported Sanders for the nomination – back Clinton in the general election against Donald Trump.

(Just a clip of a long article if interested)

And BTW, what is the deal with this? What are they thinking?

"About a week ago, at the event in New York in which Trump introduced his running mate, the Rolling Stones’ “You Can’t Always Get What You Want” played over the loudspeaker. Last week in Cleveland, after Trump’s convention speech, we were treated to the same song. I’m not sure Republicans have thought this one through."
 

ReggieB

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And BTW, what is the deal with this? What are they thinking?

"About a week ago, at the event in New York in which Trump introduced his running mate, the Rolling Stones’ “You Can’t Always Get What You Want” played over the loudspeaker. Last week in Cleveland, after Trump’s convention speech, we were treated to the same song. I’m not sure Republicans have thought this one through."
That's trumps version of rickrolling the RNC.
 
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His_Highness

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
Today, however, overwhelming shares of all Democratic and Democratic-leaning registered voters – including 90% who consistently supported Sanders for the nomination – back Clinton in the general election against Donald Trump.

So registered Democrats will support Clinton over Trump now that the primary is over and all that's left is Hillary.....in other news.........ice is cold.

I had the joy of talking to a Trump supporter over the weekend. I new he was a Trump supporter but this was the first time it was said out loud. Every question was answered with.....I'm voting for change....any change will be better than what we have now. If I mentioned that change can be a double edged sword if you don't know what the change will be or even if you want the change.... the answer is Trump will be held in check by our political process if he tries to steamroll a ridiculous decision. It didn't surprise me when the final answer was.....I'm not voting for Hillary under any circumstances. All I have left is Trump.

And my millennials are still split when asked if they will vote for Hillary. Hopefully some of them will warm up to her before the election.
 

His_Highness

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
And I wonder how many people are saying, "I'm not voting for Trump under any circumstances. All I have left is Hillary."

Well, if your starting the roll call on that question .... I'm a +1.

The difference is I'm a registered Democrat. The Trump supporter and millennials I spoke about are independents.
 

lwien

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This just in. Schultz will NOT gavel in the convention, nor close it.............THANK GOD!

btw, did anyone see the speech that Bernie just gave. When he told his supporters to vote for Hillary, there were louder boos and heckles than Cruz got at the GOP. That's not good and could be a peak as to what will transpire on the convention floor.

Hillary's job of pulling off a successful convention may be tougher to do than anything that might come her way as President.
 

cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
Which all makes perfect sense because Trump is SUCH a perfect fit for Bernie supporters... :doh:
 
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Farid

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Most young people I know who supported Bernie are voting Gary Johnson. Stein is a throw away. At least Johnson has a chance of getting 15% and being in the debates since he can draw votes from dissatisfied conservatives as well. Other than that I know 2 ex bernie supporters voting Trump and 2 voting Clinton.

EDIT: I should say, most young people I know are not voting. But of those that are, what I said above applies.
 

yogoshio

Annoying Libertarian
Which is an indirect vote for Trump.

Until we break that cycle of thinking, we will always be choosing between two different colored shit sandwiches.

Most people I know who supported Bernie are voting Gary Johnson.

I find that very interesting, because Johnson on economics is practically the polar opposite of Bernie's approach. The social issues somewhat align, but even not all of those.
 

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
What will happened if many of the democrats go to Jill Stein and Gary Johnson? Trump will will win.:evil:

Welcome to America. This isn't scare tactics, it's fact. We are left with bad choices, which is worse. If you think Hillary is worse you might as well just vote for Trump. I'm sorry if this pisses you off.

Now isn't the time to think about changing things. You do that before a presidential campaign.

Bernie Sanders realizes the consequences of all this. I'm listening to my man Bernie. "This is the real world we live in." That's what Bernie just said.

I personally don't think Gary Johnson has the personality to be president IMO. He seems too meek in mannerism. He doesn't come across as a strong leader. Jill Stien is too way out there and doesn't have any experience. Both of them aren't good choices either.

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Wasserman Schultz was pretty much heckled out of the room where she was speaking to her own group from Florida this morning. She underestimated the anger out there. I'm glad she won't be speaking at the beginning of the convention. She harmed her ability to keep her own job in Fl as senator. They need her gone from the convention. Folks are angry that this has screwed things up for the party. It's not just the Bernie fans.

Al Gore isn't going to the convention. He is too busy, he said he would be voting for Hillary. I had forgotten about Al Gore, I think other people have too.
 
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Farid

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Its about personal credibility more than policy. Clinton and Trump are just not presidential material. Stein is too out there (both in her far leftness, and her anti vaccine stance). Johnson might not be the best speaker, but he certainly doesn't come off as corrupt.

Johnson will not draw votes from Clinton, so saying a vote for him will help Trump win is something I disagree with. If anything he will draw votes from Trump, since he is a conservative economically, something which appeals to some lukewarm Trump supporters.
 
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yogoshio

Annoying Libertarian
If it weren't so sad it would be funny that Bernie is so surprised that that his townspeople are coming after the monster he created...

That's one of the reasons I questioned his run. I get he believes in his movement, but doesn't he also understand what he was forcing the Dems to do? The fact he didn't see that coming confirms my suspicions that however talented and dedicated he might be, leading and foresight are not his strong points.
 

His_Highness

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
Too bad you can't switch Tim Kaine and Hillary. After seeing him speak and looking into his background I 'like' him and 'trust' him more than Hillary, Trump and Pence combined.

Hope my love fest with Kaine isn't just because I'm not familiar enough. Familiarity does breed contempt.
 

yogoshio

Annoying Libertarian
Agreed. Presidential campaign years are the only time voting changes can occur, because this is the time the highest number of people vote.
 
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Farid

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I could be convinced to compromise and vote for a Tim Kaine, Elizabeth Warren, or Joe Biden despite disagreeing with much of their policies. So long as none of them were proven to be corrupt. But the extent to which the DNC was in Clinton's pocket is an affront to the democratic process.

If we let this happen again (I say again because it happened with Bush in Florida before this) we set a precedent for the future. I think Clinton should be barred from the election, emergency primaries should be held with new candidates. Call it extreme, but I think extreme measures should be taken to stop corruption, especially on this level.
 

HellsWindStaff

Dharma Initiate
Lmao, I'm loving this email scandal. I hope the Bernie fans are rightfully pissed, the Democrats were totally for you.....snort.... A vote for Hillary is a vote for the same corruption that just fucked you.

Not gonna lie loving this. And loving Faux News right now. Literal lols, too tough to admit your perception was outright false, love it. Speaks to the party. I'll stop harping on it, just know that the idea they buried it during that day is a totally false narrative and to say otherwise is false. As proven by the screenshots.

#Trump2016
#imwithhim

Tomorrow is the afternoon of exploitation. Hopefully I can catch some of it on my Omicron lunch break :)
 
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