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Divine Tribe atty's

Vape Donkey 650

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been running my 2.7 on the istick tc40 for the past few months in purely tc mode (other than cleaning) without issue. It hits and tastes great at 300, and I am a happy camper (aside from sishing i would have ordered the shallow version for ease of loading) My wife is not sold on it though, as she feels it very much pales in comparison to an actual dab of the same size. I would love to find something that she would like to use when we are out and about. I am wondering about the saionara, or if I should wait for the 3.0 DT to come out? Or would I just be better served keeping this and picking up one of the KT 510 nails that was previously mentioned in this thread until the 3.0 comes out?

Another DT vaper using higher watts on TC mode, no problem. There must be hundreds or thousands doing just the same, with very low rates of donut busting from high wattages.

If someone wants a quick draw from their donut on TC mode, or wants to use DT on an otherwise fine TC mod that you can't set watts, we should not discourage them.

By insisting that 12w is the only safe watts to use this atty on, we are forcing people to use it in a more narrow range which may not match their needs and expectations. A big strength of DT + TC is the adaptability to many user's different tastes, and the reliability and repeatability.

I can imagine lots of novice users, not gathering as much info as they should, overloading their donut for the first time, putting it on 12w TC, and then pressing the button and sucking on the mouthpiece like they're trying to suck the proverbial golf ball through a garden hose, without delay, while the oil has only heated to around ~220 or so, not hot enough to vape, just splattering all over the place, not knowing they must wait 4 seconds or more to let their oil heat up before it can make vape.

Misled, they then think "this atty sucks it doesn't make any vape. Sure tastes good though " :D

If we are realistic and tolerant of different settings, and we tell this newb he can also vape at 25w, at least when he holds that button down for the first time, his oil is melting almost instantly, so when he over-hits the mouthpiece without hesitation, he can at least pull a nice, big, tasty cloud through all that splatter in the mouthpiece.

sorry....rant..... :cuss:

OF:

:rant:Let my higher watters vape free! :rant:

My wife is not sold on it though, as she feels it very much pales in comparison to an actual dab of the same size. I would love to find something that she would like to use when we are out and about. I am wondering about the saionara, or if I should wait for the 3.0 DT to come out? Or would I just be better served keeping this and picking up one of the KT 510 nails that was previously mentioned in this thread until the 3.0 comes out?

Now I'm wondering, why doesn't your wife like DT? I find I get much more vape out of small or medium sized concentrate specks with DT than with a hot nail or any other portable vape. Maybe she needs more practice in how she hits the mouthpiece?

Maybe she just doesn't like the clean vape? Alot of people love dirty, semi-combusted vape like we get from too-hot nails or unregulated combusto-stick "wax pens"

Alot of people like smoke.....most people probably.

Maybe you guys should try the saoinara too
 
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fernand

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To the concept that we're just boiling off a volatile substance ... no. It's a mix.

Remember distillation? When you boil off and collect the first fractions of moonshine off a still, it's not the same as later ones. That's from a mix of alcohol, water and mash.

With dozens if not hundreds of compounds in most plant oils, distilling at different temperatures is what's used industrially to separate these compounds for perfumery, medicinals, etc.

And that's why a low temp cannabis oil vape is alerting and a high temp vape is sedating. Different cannabinoids. People are saving the high temp vape for bedtime.

People been doing that with flower vaporizers, a Solo 3 setting vape is different from a 5.

A good ceramic atomizer with a TC mod gets us concentrate vapers on that train. And cheaply.
 
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Now I'm wondering, why doesn't your wife like DT? I find I get much more vape out of small or medium sized concentrate specks with DT than with a hot nail or any other portable vape. Maybe she needs more practice in how she hits the mouthpiece?

Maybe she just doesn't like the clean vape? Alot of people love dirty, semi-combusted vape like we get from too-hot nails or unregulated combusto-stick "wax pens"

Alot of people like smoke.....most people probably.

Maybe you guys should try the saoinara too

Definitely not dislike of a good clean hit as our daily workhorse is the 710whip, which i dont believe gets hot enough to overcook our dabs, and she doesnt like the original waxpens at all. She hit the old VB dabbler a couple of times when it first came out and never really used it again. I think a part of it is the pure simplicity of the enail, but the main thing is she feels like she 'gets more' out of the same amount of concentrates from a nail with it being a one shot deal.
I agree, leaning towards the saionara also, sounds like it may be right down our alley.
 
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DrNick420

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Just ordered a non-mini Cuboid, very excited. Was hard to pick between the Joyetechs as they all seem to share a common UI. I picked it over the cuboid mini and VTC's because it didn't look that much bigger and seemed like it would be a nice hand feel. Will probably give away my eleaf to a friend after I get it in.

i am thinking about getting a Glass adapter for the DT and putting one of my whip adapter in it and adapting it to a water piece that way :p

I convinced a friend to buy a DT + Eleaf TC40w combo, he has been using it for 2 days only on TC mode and has been loving it tons and tons. A different friend will probably get my eleaf.

Anyway my important question is if i have to unscrew and re-attach my DT several times before it recognized an atomizer and sets the resistance itself to around 0.78, and the threads on the atty and battery are both clean? Is my DT dying already?
 
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Anyway my important question is if i have to unscrew and re-attach my DT several times before it recognized an atomizer and sets the resistance itself to around 0.78, and the threads on the atty and battery are both clean? Is my DT dying already?

Very unlikely. Rather, I suspect it's poor contact with the center pin. The heater lead comes down into the rubber insulator in the connector and the center pin is jammed in from the other end making contact (hopefully.....).

The rub is the pin floats a bit, it can be pushed up too far. Just 'not quite touching' when screwed home. Try to gently work it down a small bit (it doesn't take much) with a knife blade, toothpick or something. Then screw in back on, the pin will automatically get pushed in the magic amount needed to fit that mod.

OF
 

DrNick420

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That was a quick and easy fix. thanks of!!!

(Edit: I suspect this to have occurred because I frequently detach and replace the mouthpiece while it is screwed onto the battery, bad habit i know, i will stop it before cuboid shows up ;)
 
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RX200 users, i'm reading on ecig forums that the RX200 has about 5-6 extra hours battery life over the Cuboid. This interests me since as i've switch to using my DT almost exclusively and only hitting the quartz banger once or twice a day. I have seen my eleaf's battery get murdered in a flash.

I searched RX200 in this thread and saw some good posts but just wondering if other people rocking the DT on TC mode are seeing a marked improvement over the Cuboid's battery life as an all day long device.

Not sure if the rx200 is gonna be way too big though, i am a big dude so i have room in my pockets lol but don't want to be strugglin to fit in in my pocket if it's gonna be an all day device.

I suppose it's fine to have a onthe go box and a at home box ;)
 
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I searched RX200 in this thread and saw some good posts but just wondering if other people rocking the DT on TC mode are seeing a marked improvement over the Cuboid's battery life as an all day long device.

Not sure if the rx200 is gonna be way too big though, i am a big dude so i have room in my pockets lol but don't want to be strugglin to fit in in my pocket if it's gonna be an all day device.

I suppose it's fine to have a onthe go box and a at home box ;)

Holding one in each hand, I think the RX200 is actually easier to hold and probably easier for most guys to carry in your pocket since it's more rounded, without the sharp corners that give Cuboid it's name.

That said, Cuboid should be twice the TC40. RX200 will be 50% more (3 times the little guy) and of course either offer instant (or nearly so) battery changes. Past a certain point spare batteries makes more sense?

And of course mods for different use makes sense, as do different colors when one is trying to accessorize.....

OF
 
OF,

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Definitely not dislike of a good clean hit as our daily workhorse is the 710whip, which i dont believe gets hot enough to overcook our dabs, and she doesnt like the original waxpens at all. She hit the old VB dabbler a couple of times when it first came out and never really used it again. I think a part of it is the pure simplicity of the enail, but the main thing is she feels like she 'gets more' out of the same amount of concentrates from a nail with it being a one shot deal.

Just took a quick look at 710whip, analog ceramic enail? Looks pretty nice, but I think just about any type of real enail is gonna give you a substantial amount of combustion if you are able to get nice big hits out of it.

I've never been able to get a satisfactory hit from an e-nail at 450-500, which is around where you would wanna be to minimize combustion. Seems I need at least 550-600 to get any real cloud. Could be differences in my nail setup vs the 710, or my relative newness in using nails. I'm just bad at the whole motion of dabbing / swirling your tool while inhaling and using the carb cap. I find just holding a button and inhaling to be much easier, but hey, i just think it's cool you and your wife enjoy dabbing together. :D How sweet :luv:

I agree, leaning towards the saionara also, sounds like it may be right down our alley.

Seems like a good match for you guys. Appears to be a big hit with many DT fans. I'm holding my breath for v3 tho....:whoa:

Just ordered a non-mini Cuboid, very excited. Was hard to pick between the Joyetechs as they all seem to share a common UI. I picked it over the cuboid mini and VTC's because it didn't look that much bigger and seemed like it would be a nice hand feel. Will probably give away my eleaf to a friend after I get it in.

i am thinking about getting a Glass adapter for the DT and putting one of my whip adapter in it and adapting it to a water piece that way :p

I convinced a friend to buy a DT + Eleaf TC40w combo, he has been using it for 2 days only on TC mode and has been loving it tons and tons. A different friend will probably get my eleaf.

Anyway my important question is if i have to unscrew and re-attach my DT several times before it recognized an atomizer and sets the resistance itself to around 0.78, and the threads on the atty and battery are both clean? Is my DT dying already?

Way to go Nick :clap: Any selection of joyetech's current lineup is a fine choice. They all function exactly the same.

The big cuboid may feel bigger in hand than on screen, but maybe less so for a big dude? :huh: Compared to many of the 2-cell mods, the cuboid is more to the smaller side.

If there is a specific type of water or glass adapter you have in mind, tell us and maybe we can offer some ideas. But the glass adapters that Matt sells on his website, or just a simple silicon hose that joins up the 2.5 mouthpiece directly to the universal joint on your rig are 2 of the easiest, most adaptable methods to add water bubbles to DT. :tup:

I'm a fiend for water bubbles with my donuts, and I'm very satisfied with my new glass / silicon elbow for my rig, but I must admit it is un-necessarily complex, and involves some hard to source parts. :(


(Edit: I suspect this to have occurred because I frequently detach and replace the mouthpiece while it is screwed onto the battery, bad habit i know, i will stop it before cuboid shows up ;)

:suspicious: I don't think frequently removing / replacing the mouthpiece would cause a resistance change on the atomizer. That's just necessary, normal use.

As long as you're not brutally ripping off the mouthpiece with such lateral force as to rip the glue from ceramic body and metal base, this should not cause any harm.

The 1/2" silicon strips that connect my glass directly to the atomizer base grips way more snug than any mouthpiece, and I feel like it is stressing the glue connection on the base a little bit. So when I remove my atty from the glass globe, I grip the atty, not the mod, to not put greater strain on the glue.

RX200 users, i'm reading on ecig forums that the RX200 has about 5-6 extra hours battery life over the Cuboid. This interests me since as i've switch to using my DT almost exclusively and only hitting the quartz banger once or twice a day. I have seen my eleaf's battery get murdered in a flash.

I searched RX200 in this thread and saw some good posts but just wondering if other people rocking the DT on TC mode are seeing a marked improvement over the Cuboid's battery life as an all day long device.

Not sure if the rx200 is gonna be way too big though, i am a big dude so i have room in my pockets lol but don't want to be strugglin to fit in in my pocket if it's gonna be an all day device.

I suppose it's fine to have a onthe go box and a at home box ;)

Yea my big cubes tend to stay at home. Not really in a "put in your pocket and walk around with it" type mod. But for a backpack, bag, car, home, desk, etc, it feels right at home. I do love the mini-ness of the cuboid mini, and I constantly seek small mods. But the mini cube does feel a bit less natural in the palm, while the big cube has a more natural in-your-palm and button pressing feel for me.

Are you using a 510-powered e-nail too? If so, the extra battery charge will surely come in handy.

With the upcoming v3 in large and medium sizes needing more wattage to heat up, the batteries in our mods will all feel much smaller, any may cause many of us to reconsider the desired size/battery capacity balance in our TC boxes. :sherlock:


And of course mods for different use makes sense, as do different colors when one is trying to accessorize.....

OF

Ha... the main reason i bought a cuboid. If a guy already has 4 different colored evic's, and the cuboid is the new kid on the block, it's tempting to buy that next instead of a 5th mod of the same type in a different color.

But then I later did get all 6 original VTC's, and I now I have an orange VTwo Mini. :bang:I guess I have an obsession
 
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Vape Donkey 650

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With dozens if not hundreds of compounds in most plant oils, distilling at different temperatures is what's used industrially to separate these compounds for perfumery, medicinals, etc.

And that's why a low temp cannabis oil vape is alerting and a high temp vape is sedating. Different cannabinoids. People are saving the high temp vape for bedtime.

People been doing that with flower vaporizers, a Solo 3 setting vape is different from a 5.

Hey fern, I've noticed how you've been promoting the capabilities of DT to work as a fractional distillation vape, and I find the idea quite interesting. This seems far different from how I use my DTs and my goals in using them. But you haven't been very detailed.

Why don't you tell us all your settings for this style of vaping? watts, temp, TCR, observed rise in atomizer Ω, your method of hitting the mouthpiece, what kind of concentrate...whatever you think is relevant.

Also, what specific compounds are you trying to extract for your "alert" vape and which different ones for the "Sedate" and which overlap? Are you trying to vape off some of the compounds at one time and then, in a later session, the rest of the other compounds from the same load?

I'm guessing you're aiming for most/all the terps and a little bit of the thc for the "alert" and then the remaining terps and thc, plus the (minimal) CBD, CBN, and other minor cannabinoids for the "sedate" vape.

If you're doing that, or something close, I can see how those 2 different mixes of contents in your vape can have very different effects on you.

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FWIW, I try to acheive the same goals, but through vaping different types of strains at different times of the day instead. Right now, a black domina shatter has been making me feel nice and sleepy when I want to feel that way before bedtime. On the extreme opposite of the spectrum, I have been reaching for some very nice lamb's bread and blue dream shatters during the first half of the day, when I want to feel a little more up, manic, or motivated, but still stoney :ko::science:

There are gaps in my strategy, however: hybrid strains

Cannabis is much more than a binary indica / sativa dichotomy. (Ruderalis?) Middle-of-the-road hybrid strains like gorilla glue #4 (a new fave for me) headband, even certain phenotypes of GSC tend to make me neither manic nor sedate, but somewhere in between, or something different altogether. Maybe "relaxed" or "contemplative" could describe some of these hybrid-ish strains? :sherlock:

I let myself vape these hybrids at any time of the day, usually more towards the middle, and I feel that they rarely prevent me from doing what I intend to do in the next few hours after vaping them, but they tend to enhance it instead. :tup:

That's also why I tend to use the same kind of TC settings for all my DT dabs. I would describe the goals of my TC setting as: full-spectrum, fast-draw, medical grade dabs

Full spectrum in the sense that I want the complete range of compounds in my concentrate in the first hit after a reload. I'm not trying to vape some for now and save others for later

Fast draw, as in 25w. I want to see my glass globe fill up with thick vape momentarily after pressing the button, not in 4-5 seconds, and I don't want to try to manage the timing in avoiding sucking up or splattering semi-molten oil prematurely when it's hovering in the 180-250F range. Even expert use of DT donuts will result in alot of splatter over time. :shrug:

And medical grade as in, purity of the compounds in my vape. Me no want no monoxide, tar, or formaldehyde. :disgust: This is not to imply that your guys' TC settings IS producing these nasty chemicals. EVERYONE's DT donuts that are vaping clean concentrates within reasonable TC settings are producing pure, tasty, medical-grade vape!

All those other poor suckers still vaping on unregulated devices and VW are the ones decomposing their oil....enjoy your CBN, fellas.:razz:


Why would it drop out of TC?
If the atomizer resistance exceeds the mod's max ohm capability. For the updated evic and cuboid that's 1.5 ohms, for the istick TC40 I believe that's still 1.0 ohms.

Why would it exceed 1.0 ohms?
Because as they age the DT atomizers increase in resistance. They start out around 0.8 ohms.

I could be wrong here, but I don't think the 1.0 / 1.5 ohm limit is such a firm limitation as we may believe.

My reason? Consider the Evic VT (the old one, not VTC) that would tend to randomly slip out of TC mode even if the user seems to be doing everything right. It has a 1.0 Ω TC limit.

Now consider the range of base resistance on our cold donuts and the "delta rise" we expect them to be at when fully heated up. I'm seeing a ~ 0.70Ω has to rise 0.30-0.32 higher to make vape that I like, while a 0.83Ω base has to rise up more, about 0.34-0.38 higher over cold to produce my vape.

Donuts on the higher end of the normal range need to rise well over 1.1Ω , while a low-resistance donut is tickling 1.0Ω or higher if the user likes hotter vape.

If the 1.0Ω TC limit on the Evic VT is absolute, then a 0.80 donut should almost never vape reliably on TC mode, at least not at the temp range of 300-330 in TC-Ni that most people use it at.

I think the 1.0Ω TC "limit" on mods like the Evic VT and istick 40w TC is more of a "base resistance" cold limit on the atomizer. I've found that all atty's in the normal Ω range could drop out of TC mode equally randomly on the Evic VT. But my friend that I sold the VT to tried to vape a normal donut that had risen from around 0.80 to 0.94 somehow, on TC-Ni mode, and this atty would always drop to VW mode right away. I didn't test this 0.94Ω base on an istick, but I did plug it into my pico, (1.5Ω TC limit) it still read 0.94, tried vaping a full load on TCR 245 @ 20w, 200F (lowest possible temp) and it made a heee-oooge thick grey disgusting combustion cloud in an instant. It stayed firmly in TC mode, and apparently could not properly modulate the initial wattage in a downward direction on this warped Ω base. Dialing in a higher temp clearly didn't help the vape quality, but my friends like to smoke anyways, and he said he liked this false-TC cloud. :lol:

This has led me to believe that donut's Ω doesn't really change, not that much at least, and not that quickly. The true Ω is fairly static. But the many ways that users can accidentally loosen the contacts of the donut's wire leads can trick and mislead our mods to think they're seeing a different Ω, usually higher. :hmm: This false reading usually results in the mod miscalculating a much too hot vape, or maybe off just a little bit, if the bad Ωreading is not that far off.

This also made me skeptical of vaping on any donut that is reporting a suspiciously high Ω, like over 0.82-0.83 or so. If the mod has the true, accurate Ω of the base "locked in" then these false readings don't seem to cause much any problem, besides a little extra wattage & vape fluctuation, but not any burning at least.

I swapped out my friend's 0.94Ω for one that was 0.74Ω-ish, and he said it's staying in TC mode for him 90% of the time again, and he knows the easy procedure to set it back to TC and actually continue vaping on this mode (until it inevitably trips back at some point in the future) rather than trip back to VW. One other friend of mine I sold a VT to, tells me his DT donut almost never trips into VW, and I taught him how to set it straight if it does :tup: My 3rd and final friend who bought my old Evic VT tells me can never get his donuts to stay on TC mode anymore, but I suspect his uses his mod and atty in a generally slovenly fashion :disgust:

As for the istick 40w TC, it also has a 1.0Ω TC limit, but I've never heard of slipping out of TC-Ni mode into VW as even being a thing, at least not with any DT 2.5 donut (it can't TC the DC) I've had 3 isticks that I later sold to friends, and 3 additional friends using istick 40w + DT donuts, and they've never told me about going to VW mode or not being able to vape on TC mode. Even the slovenly ones!

I have heard endless queries about "what does new coil? yes/no +/- mean?"

"what did i do? i just wanna press the button and vape!:doh::shrug:

I have seen one friend's istick just stop working completely after a couple of drops (and it took it's donut down with it :() and another istick survive a drop in a hot tub! :o But not TC mode dropping being a problem. I'm not saying this is not happening to anybody, but I don't think it's a major issue on this mod? As for the Evic VT, I suspect it is a software bug with this 1st gen TC device that causes it to drop to VW mode.

However, I bet if I tried to plug that suspect 0.94Ω donut onto any istick 40w and vape it on TC-Ni, I bet it would instantly drop to VW.....

"soft" TC Ω limit

sorry guize :D another unprovoked TC rant. Just wanted to share my thoughts/experiences about not being able to vape on TC mode on the old Evic VT and istick 40w TC. I don't know if this has been an issue with other 1.0Ω limit TC mods.

Note: the Evic VT and Evic VTC are 2 different mods: VT was joyetech's first ever TC mod at 1.0Ω TC limit
 
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DrNick420

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Not using a 501 powered enail but have to admit they interested me. for now I am more than happy with the performance of my 2.7 and have more on the way as well as a few 2.5 bottom halves with the 14mm adapter sold on site to put it right on some of my rigs. With how much i have been using the DT I can't not have water so I will look into your whip idea too :) Not sure i have any tubing around that'll fit over the top though. would be convenient as i have MANY whip to bubbler adapters already.

I think I will wait for the cuboid to get delivered before deciding if I really need a RX200 :lol:
 

Vape Donkey 650

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Excellent point, and well put as usual. This (tendency to slip out of TC mode) is what keeps killing my efforts to run the DC herb atty in TC mode. Not done 'right' slipping into 75 W VW mode will light up a doughnut before you know you have a problem. No need to take the risk IMO. Stick with the mods that let you set a useful power protection level as a backup.

OF

Hey OF :wave: Did you see my post detailing how to DC the TC with a pico or cuboid? I figured you would find this interesting and constructive towards your efforts. Could be an oversight; overlooked with all the different threads you contribute to?

Or have I earned myself a place on your ignore list with my repeated insistence you acknowledge the validity of other TC settings? :cry:

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Not using a 501 powered enail but have to admit they interested me. for now I am more than happy with the performance of my 2.7 and have more on the way as well as a few 2.5 bottom halves with the 14mm adapter sold on site to put it right on some of my rigs. With how much i have been using the DT I can't not have water so I will look into your whip idea too :) Not sure i have any tubing around that'll fit over the top though. would be convenient as i have MANY whip to bubbler adapters already.

I think I will wait for the cuboid to get delivered before deciding if I really need a RX200 :lol:

I've looked at portable e-nails from a few companies with some interest, but I've never been impressed enough to buy one. Sure, I'd try one out if you put one before me to test, but from my position, being as happy as a dabber can be with my DT donuts, I feel like portable e-nails have nothing to offer me. :)

You'll probably be happy with the little glass elbow for your 14mm rig. It works fine, but just 2 (maybe 3) things I don't like about it:

  • it forces you to hold your TC mod and donut, or your dab rig, at an angle.

It it not ideal to hold your donut at an angle when vaping it. This is probably the 2nd most thing that contributes to oil leakdown through your atty, after overloading being the 1st. The angle is not extreme, and it's workable, but straight-up would be better.

  • you can't plug in your mod + donut + glass adapter into your rig and just leave it that way to sit

It will probably be unbalanced and fall over, unless you have a tiny mod like the nugget or target mini, or maybe if your dab rig is really big and heavy, or unless the glass input joint on your rig is very low, allowing the mod to touch the ground and rest its weight instead of dangling from above. Your rig with a 14mm input probably won't allow a cuboid to be attached to it with the glass adapter and rest on the table as one united piece.

You can just remove the adapter from your rig when it's not in use, no big deal. But for me, I really want the rig + mod + adapter to fit all snug together and be able to rest their collective weight firmly balanced on the table they rest upon, as 1 united piece. :luv: I view them like functional furniture or art fixtures.

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  • Matt's glass adapters have a small globe

I like to have a bigger globe. It's just fun to watch the vape pour in like a sheet so quickly at 25w and then swirl and tumble as it forces itself ouf of the skull globe, up the elbow and hose, to my rig, then my chest. :p :nod: The cloud in the globe then gradually thins out but stays pretty consistent throughout a 10-second puff.

By being able to clearly view your vapor in a large pool before it goes in to your rig, not just while going out, or being squeezed through a tube on the way in, you really get a clear idea of how much vape your donut is producing at different points of the puff. This visual feedback can help us determine what temperature we like best for the right level of vapor production, and also choose what watts limit to use on TC mode, to observe how quickly the donut heats up and produces vape.

I posted a couple vids of this action many pages back, but it was not user-friendly click-and-watch video in your browser window, it was a file you had to download and view seperately from my google drive. I've been meaning to make a vimeo account so I can post these videos for you guys to view easily right on these pages. These vids can be a convincing account of what I think is safely pushing the DT donut to it's performance limits :rockon:
 
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Volteric

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So my Pico mod stopped recognizing the DT 2.7. I unscrewed and there it was: sticky canbabis oil under the atty and in the 510 thread. I dropped the atty in iso and it seemed fine until twice more oil drained into sides and into the thread. I swabbed it and kept on. It's not leaking but it's still working like a charm at TC 360/14watts. I continue to try different watts and temps. I'm surprised honestly that every watt from 11-18 and temp from 340-400 has worked brilliantly-all the results simply blow away every wax pen I've suffered through.

In hind sight, I would have filled less wax into the ceramic donut to prevent leakage and prevented iso bathing it which while helped probably could have compromised the atty. now that I think I understand the pitfalls from charring the atty to over filling to leakage will pick up a fresh one with all this in mind. Hope that helps others.

Question: it seems that this thing just hits endlessly. Non stop production of vapor. I can only assume that as long as vapor is produced that cannabinoids are acquired? Is there ever a time this thing stops producing vapor? It's hard for me to understand why a small amount just keeps hitting. It might be my ignorance around wax but it sure does seem to produce far more vape to material amount then I would expect
 
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Silat

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Got my eVic VTwo (DT 2.7) setup according to the information in this thread and help from "OF" ,"Vape Donkey", "Baron" and some others. Thanks people. It works like a charm.
As to cleaning and the donut:
1/ can the atty be dunked in ISO for cleaning?
2/ The donut in my short version 2.7 atty is crooked. Is this normal?
 

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re: distillation. Very simple. Same as flowers on e.g. a Solo, where I put the lime in the coconut, say some Sour Diesel or Red Congolese buds, set the temp lower in the morning. Vape. Tap out the still greenish tan ABV, toss into ABV pill bottle, save for the family dog, or someone in urgent need of sedation.

In the evening, something like a Master Kush for focused cool, a Durban Poison for mood improvement, and use higher temps for more sedation, with ABV light brown. Later, Granddaddy Purple for social couch, Purple Kush for bedtime, vaping at full temp, ABV is dark brown.

Same with concentrates with the ceramic donuts, the same strains, and the same approach to temp. Patiently vaping off the lower temp fractions in the a.m, I want fine taste and fine cannabinoids, screw the opaque clouds, leave that to tire fires at the barricades. Actually THC itself vaporizes at a pretty low temp, it's a matter of blend. Here are the boiling points of the major Cannabis oil constituents, sorted by ascending temp, w/ Fahrenheit in the last column.

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What's left on the donut after the first fractions, with temp set to say 350F, it's not so expensive that I can't afford to throw out this dross. Burn it off. Nobody's been begging for my growing stash of flower ABV anyway, that proves the point. At bedtime vape it hotter, that also means less to clean up as I'm falling asleep, or a faster burn-off in the morning.

re: Dropping out of TC mode. I think you're right, it's at base temp that it sees the 1.0 or 1.5 ohm limit.

But this gear isn't all that precise anyway. And where the resistance rises more clearly, the processor in the mod is less likely to give up and drop into VW. It's like when I put a SS coil on an older TC mod like a KangXin mini VF that was never programmed for SS. It has to make the decision, it tries, it sees SOME resistance increase, but it's unconvinced and drops into VW mode. The mod can't directly measure resistance, it's trying to derive both resistance and temperature from the change in current, AND regulate temp PID style at the same time. If it stays in TC mode mistakenly that's not good either, so it's the firmware programmer's call how to decide.


BTW, this chart of boiling points is more complete, it's sorted by descending temp and includes some additional information, is color-coded, but is a little harder to read at this size.

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DrNick420

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Question: it seems that this thing just hits endlessly. Non stop production of vapor. I can only assume that as long as vapor is produced that cannabinoids are acquired? Is there ever a time this thing stops producing vapor? It's hard for me to understand why a small amount just keeps hitting. It might be my ignorance around wax but it sure does seem to produce far more vape to material amount then I would expect

When I made mine leak horribly (well documented in this thread) I was loading before it stopped, but rather when the flavor started getting dry. It still hits seemingly nonstop now that I have begun only loading for a session and hitting it until there is nothing left to inhale or blow out through one of the air holes on the side.

When I was filling it with crazy amounts I had no idea how much i was wasting to simply going down the drain holes and out through the threads on the bottom to make a big mess. Now i still get just as many hits out of it but no mess or leakage.
 

Volteric

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When I made mine leak horribly (well documented in this thread) I was loading before it stopped, but rather when the flavor started getting dry. It still hits seemingly nonstop now that I have begun only loading for a session and hitting it until there is nothing left to inhale or blow out through one of the air holes on the side.

When I was filling it with crazy amounts I had no idea how much i was wasting to simply going down the drain holes and out through the threads on the bottom to make a big mess. Now i still get just as many hits out of it but no mess or leakage.

So the moral of the story is you can really get away with the smallest amount. Small flakes and little balls melt into a small oil reserve that will last longer than it looks?
 

fernand

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@Volteric IMHO it's a combination of factors, like the difference between the efficiency of a mortar shell vs. a sniper rifle round. But I think the main difference is the temperature control. Even if you run it in VW you're manually limiting the temp by feathering.

Same with flowers as with concentrates. Sure, people smoke 1 gram joints. And then they open windows and spray the room down with air freshener. Wondering where it all went?

But with a temp-limiting vaporizer a 50 mg (1/20th of a gram) pinch of a 20% THC bud provides that 10 mg of THC (+ CBD etc) right into the circulation. Tarzan casts aside cane, able and glad to walk.

W/ either substance, exhale through a linen napkin and the Check Please camera crew barely notices.
 
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matthend

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I'm just bad at the whole motion of dabbing / swirling your tool while inhaling and using the carb cap. I find just holding a button and inhaling to be much easier

That is the thing that makes the 710whip nice (and the main reason I have not convinced myself that I need a Liger yet). The design of the cap allows for much more simplicity of use, just insert your loaded dabber in the hole and swirl while inhaling without the need for a separate capping
 
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DrNick420

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I started using the DT daily when I realized it was more convenient than finding and using my torch. Nothing wrong with capping an dabbing personally but it's all such a pain when you can just plop a dab in and get like 10 good rips out of it.

My first few days with it I found myself waking up from a lot more naps I didn't realize I fell asleep into.

In the end I consider myself to get more stoned when using the DT anyway because it stretches out the mileage of the dabs longer. When you go back to hitting torched nails after the DT you realize the hit of everything all at once isn't really that much stronger than 1 fat puff off the DT.
 

OF

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Hey OF :wave: Did you see my post detailing how to DC the TC with a pico or cuboid? I figured you would find this interesting and constructive towards your efforts. Could be an oversight; overlooked with all the different threads you contribute to?

Or have I earned myself a place on your ignore list with my repeated insistence you acknowledge the validity of other TC settings? :cry:

Yes, I saw and and have already said 'it doesn't work for me, not reliably enough to recommend'.

No formal Ignore list here. It's just that stuff like this:

Don't listen to OF,

Don't listen to nick,

can sure change my willingness to reply.......

I hope you can understand how that might be the case?

For the record, I think Nick is a great fellow, and like everyone else taking their time to post and offer advice, should not be ignored or dismissed at that level. He has contributed a LOT to the group, I hope he continues to do so.

I believe my fellow Forum Members are smart enough to consider all opinions and decide which ones to put how much stock in. Let's have educated decisions, not censorship?

I was just asking what a better battery for TC than the eleaf was...

And a very good question it is, IMO. My opinion is any of the mods we discuss that allow separate power settings in TC mode (Pico, EVC Mini, Cuboid, TC100W, RX200 and so on) have serious advantages there over the TC40W for that reason. I believe you'll be happier with any of them, since getting my first Mini my two TC40Ws have been relegated to experiments with the DC cart and running an 'oil pen'/WT combo I'm fond of.

FWIW, all my DT doughnuts are running on TC mods that allow setting maximum power to 12 Watts, a feature worth looking for IMO.

Question: it seems that this thing just hits endlessly. Non stop production of vapor. I can only assume that as long as vapor is produced that cannabinoids are acquired? Is there ever a time this thing stops producing vapor? It's hard for me to understand why a small amount just keeps hitting. It might be my ignorance around wax but it sure does seem to produce far more vape to material amount then I would expect
After using just quartz bangers and such for so long, i was pretty shocked too at how much you can actually get out of a tiny flake :science:

I think these are excellent observations. For sure overfilling is a mess and big waste for sub par results. "Load small and often" does better IMO.

I think Fernand nailed it once again (he does that a lot in case you haven't noticed....) as time goes on the 'ight stuff' evaporages and the heavy residual gets an addition of fresh concentrate. A bit like always adding oil but never changing it in a old car? I find mine get 'muddy' with a lot of use (depends on strain as well of course) and benefit from a cleaning and a 'fresh start'.

But one thing sure lots of us give up 'way too early' and can get more useful hits from a 'dry' unit taking it slow. I use visible concentrate and how fast it 'makes temperature' from a cold start to try to determine how much is in there. If it heats quickly (say a few cycles), there's not much concentrate slowing it down. If, OTOH, it 'takes forever' it's probably because there's a LOT of concentrate to be heated up and a lot of heat being conducted away from the doughnut area because of it.

Fun system, lots of ways to play the game. Find what you like and follow that?

Regards,

OF
 

Volteric

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Yes, I saw and and have already said 'it doesn't work for me, not reliably enough to recommend'.

No formal Ignore list here. It's just that stuff like this:



can sure change my willingness to reply.......

I hope you can understand how that might be the case?

For the record, I think Nick is a great fellow, and like everyone else taking their time to post and offer advice, should not be ignored or dismissed at that level. He has contributed a LOT to the group, I hope he continues to do so.

I believe my fellow Forum Members are smart enough to consider all opinions and decide which ones to put how much stock in. Let's have educated decisions, not censorship?



And a very good question it is, IMO. My opinion is any of the mods we discuss that allow separate power settings in TC mode (Pico, EVC Mini, Cuboid, TC100W, RX200 and so on) have serious advantages there over the TC40W for that reason. I believe you'll be happier with any of them, since getting my first Mini my two TC40Ws have been relegated to experiments with the DC cart and running an 'oil pen'/WT combo I'm fond of.

FWIW, all my DT doughnuts are running on TC mods that allow setting maximum power to 12 Watts, a feature worth looking for IMO.




I think these are excellent observations. For sure overfilling is a mess and big waste for sub par results. "Load small and often" does better IMO.

I think Fernand nailed it once again (he does that a lot in case you haven't noticed....) as time goes on the 'ight stuff' evaporages and the heavy residual gets an addition of fresh concentrate. A bit like always adding oil but never changing it in a old car? I find mine get 'muddy' with a lot of use (depends on strain as well of course) and benefit from a cleaning and a 'fresh start'.

But one thing sure lots of us give up 'way too early' and can get more useful hits from a 'dry' unit taking it slow. I use visible concentrate and how fast it 'makes temperature' from a cold start to try to determine how much is in there. If it heats quickly (say a few cycles), there's not much concentrate slowing it down. If, OTOH, it 'takes forever' it's probably because there's a LOT of concentrate to be heated up and a lot of heat being conducted away from the doughnut area because of it.

Fun system, lots of ways to play the game. Find what you like and follow that?

Regards,

OF

What principles hold true for herbal vapes should be true of concentrate vapes. We get so much more out of vaping .3 grams in an herbal vaporizer than smoking it. Vaping small amounts of concentrate should give us more mileage than ripping it in a rig that combusts it. It's making sense to me more and more and is a big selling points to me: efficiency, flavor and smoothness.

I have a friend who smokes flowers and torch rigs wax and he's is spending way much more money than me and we use about the same.
 
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