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The Magic-Flight PICO: an idea that is NOT a vaporizer

syrupy

Authorized Buyer
MF ended the post with: "Until next time, remember to wave at school buses and smile at strangers."

That creeped me out. If I'm wandering about highly medicated, the last thing I'd be interested in is waving at children and engaging strangers. If I was a stranger, the last thing I'd want is to have someone high smiling at me or waving at children. That's just me.
 

lwien

Well-Known Member
Another quote from that release: " Using an electric heat source, however, rather than fire from a lighter, allows for the warm up time to be much more controllable, slower, ensuring a more consistent release."

There has only been one occasion when I went too far with my LB and it went into combustion and the resulting taste was sooooo awful that I never made that mistake again.
 
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Philreal187

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My thoughts on this is they seem like they are in a bit of a scramble to produce something new in the market.

Trying to bridge the gap between vape heads and smoke heads. Which makes sense in other parts of life such as bridging a gap between music genres.
Not so much in the vape world though.

If I was running a business and was keeping up with the ever changing world of vaporizers and whats next it would be easy to become overwhelm and shoot for something completely different.

We all are entitled to opinions and this is just mine. Who knows maybe this will be all the craze for 2017!! I hope for the best for mflb and maybe they can regain their marbles and hit us with some off the wall crazy new vaporizer!!

:peace:
 

HD Springer

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If we were to look at it from a combusters point of view then it's a pretty cool device. On paper. How many smokers think seeing any form of flowers being discarded as wasteful. I know I did before I ever tried vaping. Now they(combusters) can try vaping and still smoke it at the same time. I don't think it's going to be that successful. But it's not as crazy as I first thought. I still think the device will have a terrible flavor as soon as it's been combusted in. But that's just me.
 

Lokbok

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My thoughts exactly, I"m new to vaporizing, but I've taught breathe control for over 40 years, (Martial arts). I love a good challenge and I hate the taste of butane...

mod note: Edited to fix quote

Yea, I agree. I do occasionally combust, but still hate butane.
 
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pakalolo

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Since this post was in the moderation queue while the account was awaiting approval, some of you might have missed it. I highly respect Magic-Flight and the PICO took me off guard, so I welcome this explanation.

Dear Readers,
we in the Communications Department of Magic-Flight have been asked to present you with the following statement on behalf of the company. ***

We would like to answer some questions (and address some comments) that we've been seeing since we recently added the new product recently called "pico" to our website. The product is an experimental build and an alpha product which is being offered to gauge interest. Please be advised that as this is an alpha product, a experimental project, etc, the name itself is considered to be somewhat temporary and could likely be changed.

As an alpha product, it was not intended to suggest or recommend combustion as being "better" than vaprorization. We attempt to provide choices, and the freedom for people to make them (check the bottom of the LB, to see what we are about). As with anything, we cannot know what people want unless we ask. However, we also think it is better to show what we mean than to just ask by itself. We have to be willing to try an experiment -- even if it might not work out.

Yes, the combustion aspect is by design -- this device was never intended to be a just a vaporizer. Between our own Launch Box, and some other good vaporizers out there, and the many assorted pens, we figured the need for vaporization had been rather fully covered. Although we're of the opinion that vaporization is generally better, we still see a lot of people using herbal material in all kinds of pipes, and others preferring to make large clouds. Some folks simply do not prefer vaporization, for whatever reason. We do not wish to be preachy about it, or to exclude.

This device is intended instead to be a butane-less one-hitter, for dry herbal material. In particular, it is intended to be the most efficient and most compact one-hitter possible. In regards to the design, there are two basic aspects: first, there are those who prefer to consume less, but in a more concentrated single use event, and second, there are those who are actually into combustion, and yet which are also into efficiency, saving money, etc.

We found that for those people who do burn, the fact is combustion simply heats the material too quickly. Fire implies that there will be a significant conversion of medicament into non-bio-available heat, rather than just into bio-available vapor. Using an electric heat source, however, rather than fire from a lighter, allows for the warm up time to be much more controllable, slower, ensuring a more consistent release. The aim was to have a device that would cross a wider range of temperatures, more completely, than just vaporization alone would normally allow.

The net effect is that there is no doubt -- no question -- as to whether all possible extractable materials have been recovered. With the one hitter, there is no question of "is it done yet?" There is simplicity, clarity of usage intention, and no wait.

In regards to this forum specifically, we are actually rather surprised to see the device even discussed here. Particularly since there was never an intention to characterize this device as a vaporizer. We figure that if there is no advertising/marketing of it being about vaporization, then any benefits that may actually occur during use, due to some increased degree of vaporization happening over what would otherwise occur with burning, that we are exceeding consumer expectations -- benefit without cost.

Also, it is much better -- more honest -- that than the reverse -- calling something a vaporizer and then disappointing folks if the device does not work as a vaporizer -- if combustion accidentally happens (as can occur with the Box if misused).

For those on FC who have more political motivations favoring vaporization, it is agreed that it *might* be possible to "convert" a non-vaporizer person into one, using this device as a "gateway", but that is not the intention. We do not expect that using this as a vaporizer will be particularly easy. More it is to be efficient as a one hitter -- as maximally efficient as it is possible to be, assuming similar limits in size, cost, etc.

We sincerely hope this clears up any confusion and answers questions as to why we are offering this new and unique choice for the Magic-Flight community.

Magic-Flight
 

KeroZen

Chronic vapaholic
Damn, it was not a joke after all, this thing is for real... Unsubscribe!
 
KeroZen,

syrupy

Authorized Buyer
Since this post was in the moderation queue while the account was awaiting approval, some of you might have missed it. I highly respect Magic-Flight and the PICO took me off guard, so I welcome this explanation.

I agree, and it's great to see an official company rep here. Some of us can get a little speculative, so any clarification is good.
 

Farid

Well-Known Member
"Between our own Launch Box, and some other good vaporizers out there, and the many assorted pens, we figured the need for vaporization had been rather fully covered."

This seems like an excuse to me. I mean if the need for vaporization has been fully covered, the need for smoke has been covered even more.

"As with anything, we cannot know what people want unless we ask."

This is also just an excuse. Proper market research will make it clear what people want. Just looking at threads in this forum I would conclude (if I worked for MF) that people want a devise like the MFLB that has no wood in airpath, and has more convection on the vapor profile.
 

hippogriff

Well-Known Member
"Between our own Launch Box, and some other good vaporizers out there, and the many assorted pens, we figured the need for vaporization had been rather fully covered."

This seems like an excuse to me. I mean if the need for vaporization has been fully covered, the need for smoke has been covered even more.

"As with anything, we cannot know what people want unless we ask."

This is also just an excuse. Proper market research will make it clear what people want. Just looking at threads in this forum I would conclude (if I worked for MF) that people want a devise like the MFLB that has no wood in airpath, and has more convection on the vapor profile.
MFLB has such a following, and Magic Flight has been going for so long, there were years there where the industry was small and you could ride one design for a long time. I think, very quickly, we've transitioned to a higher tech industry where you're expected to do a good-size upgrade every 2 years to stay relevant, or risk a sales bubble at best.

I don't think the wood issue is so clear for me - less than MFLB, but my Milaana and my Firewood 3 both have some amount of wood in the airpath and they are clean tasting vapes. Speaking of, I'd say the Milaana is where an evolved MFLB would wind up - same manual control, similar simple circuit, but fully desktop powerful (grind, whole nugs, doesn't matter), near instant, and air path all cleaned up on the hot side. The Milaana isn't as small or self contained, but it's a similar amount of accessories to carry, and it's a huge convection upgrade that anyone w/ MFLB skills will appreciate immediately.

A bigger-but-still-tiny, meant-to-be-a-vaporizer Pico that enclosed the battery (it could still be a little smaller than the existing MFLB) and maybe included a glass path after the bowl (you only need 1.5-2" to cool adequately) could be a faster/smaller/quicker/stronger MFLB2 and be a clear upgrade for existing customers. Curious why they didn't take this tech that's more power than needed for vaping and tune it be that.
 

Farid

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I would have liked to see a new LB made with removable, replaceable screens, a metal or glass dish similar to what is used in the Muad Dib to keep wood out of the air path so that the box can be fully cleaned for travel or shipping. Anything beyond that would just be an added bonus. They could sell it without a warranty on the screen, but the screens could be sold for cheap, and they could sell different versions for people who like more less heat.

The LB is already tiny, making it any smaller doesn't serve much of a purpose.
 
Farid,

Vitolo

Vaporist
I think this is a profiteering move to make $$ on something previously discouraged by the same company... healthful or not and leaving philosophy behind.
I miss Blisssville's presence .. (The ORIGINAL distributer of the Launch Box)..
They would have had thoughts about this move's appropriateness.
I watched the video of the "Pico" interview with Owner and it was typical of him, in that he says what he wants and does not conform to the same conversational traditions as some.
I learned over the years that creator of the Launch Box is an eccentric.
This is not a bad thing...
BUT I believe this eccentricity has gotten in the way of initial philosophy of healthful medicating,
and is now trying to be Jack of all trades, in a combustion venue as well.
Proberb:
"Jack of all trades.... Master of none"
 
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Vitolo

Vaporist
Make it a marketing feature.
That is a good thought.
I personally think it is motivated by profit.
There was an untapped source of funds, in the "other" cannabis oriented market.. combustion.
I think this was a case of "There's gold in them thar hills" and so the 49ers went out to Cali, and began panning and mining.
ABV? Won't it be just ash at the end?
We shall see... maybe @scroopy noopers has a golden touch, and can keep the delicate balance that let's the Pico be a vaporizer!
According to Magic Flight (taken directly from their website):
Crafted from both maple and walnut, the PICO is a small, classic, electric one-hitter designed for combustion without the butane. Featuring a tiny screen and sliding steel cover, the PICO actually starts as a vape, and then combusts your herbal material for the perfect single hit. Stealthy to its core, this handy little device allows for a quick and discreet launch wherever summer takes you.

Handcrafted with love in San Diego, CA, USA

*Please note that this product is brand new to Magic-Flight, and is currently in the alpha testing phase. As such, the PICO does not come with a battery charger at this time, and is primarily intended for those of you who already have a Launch Box or Muad-Dib kit. However, if you are new to Magic-Flight and still want to give the PICO a try, you can purchase the necessary battery charger here.

We'd be more than happy to hear your thoughts and experiences with the new PICO. Please send feedback to our Customer Support team once you've had the chance to try it out, and they'll pass along any input that may contribute to making this product the best it can be. Welcome to the alpha team!
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HD Springer

Well-Known Member
That is a good thought.
I personally think it is motivated by profit.
There was an untapped source of funds, in the "other" cannabis oriented market.. combustion.
I think this was a case of "There's gold in them thar hills" and so the 49ers went out to Cali, and began panning and mining.

We shall see... maybe @scroopy noopers has a golden touch, and can keep the delicate balance that let's the Pico be a vaporizer!
According to Magic Flight (taken directly from their website:

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So they want vaporists to turn back the hands of time and go back to the days of combustion. Uh no thank you. I think they should be marketing to the combusters. They are the peeps that would,should,could be interested in this.

Why try and get your customers that you more then likely helped kick combustion to go back. Just because you see a niche in the market? Their reasons for the Pico is as confusing as the vaporiz…oops pipe,one hitter or whatever else you want to call it,is it's self.
 

syrupy

Authorized Buyer
So they want vaporists to turn back the hands of time and go back to the days of combustion. Uh no thank you. I think they should be marketing to the combusters. They are the peeps that would,should,could be interested in this.

Why try and get your customers that you more then likely helped kick combustion to go back. Just because you see a niche in the market? Their reasons for the Pico is as confusing as the vaporiz…oops pipe,one hitter or whatever else you want to call it,is it's self.

I don't know that they are marketing to vaporists, and certainly not to FCers. I don't know who it's for? I suppose the part of the load that vaporizes would be healthier than the part that combusts. But as others have noticed, the flavor of the vape part will be overshadowed by the flavor of combustion.

I showed the video to a friend that has been highly resistant to vaping. He asked me why he'd want this kind of device.
 

HD Springer

Well-Known Member
I don't know that they are marketing to vaporists, and certainly not to FCers. I don't know who it's for? I suppose the part of the load that vaporizes would be healthier than the part that combusts. But as others have noticed, the flavor of the vape part will be overshadowed by the flavor of combustion.

I showed the video to a friend that has been highly resistant to vaping. He asked me why he'd want this kind of device.


I'm referring to the part where they say the Pico doesn't come with a charger. It then goes on saying that previous owners will have to use their Mflb chargers. I'm not saying anything about FC in general. I'm thinking by the way they explained the no charger part that people who vape with the Mflb will likley want to experience the Pico as well. Just how I perceived their marketing or explanation. Which ever it was.
 

syrupy

Authorized Buyer
I'm referring to the part where they say the Pico doesn't come with a charger. It then goes on saying that previous owners will have to use their Mflb chargers. I'm not saying anything about FC in general. I'm thinking by the way they explained the no charger part that people who vape with the Mflb will likley want to experience the Pico as well. Just how I perceived their marketing or explanation. Which ever it was.

No charger comes with it? So it's for people that already own a MFLB, but feel the Launch Box is too flavorful? Wow, I'm confused. Best of luck to them.
 
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