The 2016 Presidential Candidates Thread
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CarolKing
Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
I've been watching Sephen Colbert all week. Loved seeing Elizabeth Warren on the show. He had John Stewart on Monday night's show too. It was really great. The Monday show was awesome. After watching the republican convention it was a breath of fresh air and put things into perfect perspective.
I held my breath when the PayPal owner Peter Theil spoke I was glad the republicans didn't boo him because he was gay. I was worried for him and he did a great job speaking.
For Trump he did a good job reading the script. It was a dark and scary speech letting us know only he knew how to fix the country. He didn't give any details.
I think the term make America great again means it hasn't been great lately because we have a black man from Kenya as president. They aren't very happy with lesbians and gays being able to marry let alone letting a transgendered person to use a bathroom that they choose. Also the VP has some shocking ideas regarding laws for his own state. Trump and Pence are very different in ideas and social norms such as accepting gays and lesbians now transgendered citizen in our society. It's too different.
I'm glad Trump is trying to change the republican party's platform, pertaining to gays and lesbians. I doubt he really means what he says. I'll bet some of the republicans are having second thought about Trump right now.
I held my breath when the PayPal owner Peter Theil spoke I was glad the republicans didn't boo him because he was gay. I was worried for him and he did a great job speaking.
For Trump he did a good job reading the script. It was a dark and scary speech letting us know only he knew how to fix the country. He didn't give any details.
I think the term make America great again means it hasn't been great lately because we have a black man from Kenya as president. They aren't very happy with lesbians and gays being able to marry let alone letting a transgendered person to use a bathroom that they choose. Also the VP has some shocking ideas regarding laws for his own state. Trump and Pence are very different in ideas and social norms such as accepting gays and lesbians now transgendered citizen in our society. It's too different.
I'm glad Trump is trying to change the republican party's platform, pertaining to gays and lesbians. I doubt he really means what he says. I'll bet some of the republicans are having second thought about Trump right now.
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Fat Freddy
FUCK CANCER TOO !
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CarolKing
Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
David Duke is overjoyed to see Donald Trump and most Americans embrace most of the issues that I’ve championed for years” said Duke, a white supremacist who has been backing Trump’s presidency in recent months.
“What makes me different is that I demand respect for the rights and the heritage of European Americans,” said Duke in the video announcing his run.
“We must stop the massive immigration and ethnic cleansing of the people whose forefathers created America. I was the first major candidate in modern times to promote the term and policy of ‘America First’,” said Duke.
He echoed Trump’s idea of taking the country back from “special interests.” “A revolution is coming in the United States of America, for the real people, the vast majority of the American people,” he said.
Last night Duke tweeted his support for Trump’s RNC speech:
Sounds to me like The KKK has given Trump their stamp of approval.
“What makes me different is that I demand respect for the rights and the heritage of European Americans,” said Duke in the video announcing his run.
“We must stop the massive immigration and ethnic cleansing of the people whose forefathers created America. I was the first major candidate in modern times to promote the term and policy of ‘America First’,” said Duke.
He echoed Trump’s idea of taking the country back from “special interests.” “A revolution is coming in the United States of America, for the real people, the vast majority of the American people,” he said.
Last night Duke tweeted his support for Trump’s RNC speech:
Sounds to me like The KKK has given Trump their stamp of approval.
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gangababa
Well-Known Member
I can not understand how those Americans who have from the beginning* been so against any possible "hope and change" under President Obama, and who still deny that he did the country any good, can eagerly swallow regressive platitudes in Trump's trash talk.
One can easily** judge the two political tribes that current exist, on a progressive-regressive scale.
Efficient government is progress. Drowning government is not.
Acknowledging humanity is progress. Denying reality and science to deny that (God-made) gay people exist (by nature) is regressive.
It is all choices! Christian Republicans as a tribe try to square the circle of God and Caesar and fail both miserable when they build walls.
*Re: The seditious meeting of Republicans on President Obama's inauguration day 2009, where they began a cabal of assuring President Obama's failure by obstructing America's success.
** Pay attention to what members of the tribe say. See actual results of their governance.
Realize that almost everything that anyone claims is true, was told to that one and not personally verified.
Screen your sources wisely; intelligence exists in knowing the difference between fact and fiction, reality and delusion.
Is this shared world available to our senses and well described by Newtonian physics, real?
Or is the quantum world of vast space and uncertain outcomes, the actual reality?
Throw religion into the mental-mix and one gets a pretty stew of confusion and failed logic.
Voting is not for anyone's ego. Voting is participating in choosing the trajectory of America's world for future generations. Choices now determine what comes later, but that later we can not now see, so choose wisely, forward or backward; thinking you have any further control beyond that choice is not intelligence. What comes, comes.
gangababa
Well-Known Member
Trump's speech is being panned by pundits across the political scale.
GOP strategist Nicole Wallace, who served on Sen. John McCain’s 2008 campaign, reacted to Donald Trump’s ominous speech at Republican National Convention by declaring that her party was dead.
Chris Wallace, host of Fox News Sunday, who felt like many people did that his delivery was excruciating.
"...he said there were "two ways to view the speech. The actual words of the speech...and when I read it I thought it was a really strong speech...but we can't ignore the presentation. He shouted the speech. For some reason he said each word so slowly that it kind of became an endurance test and in that sense I think it was a bit of a missed opportunity." I had to turn down my volume after thirty minutes because I couldn't handle his shriek-like delivery..."
Although all trump-pets are convinced that the FBI and department of Justice and all seven (eight?) congressional investigations into Clinton were wrong (and they are right), it is no surprise when Trump lies brazenly and consistently.
Trump claims to have special knowledge of reality, “the plain facts that have been edited out of your nightly news and your morning newspaper.”
Fact-checking Donald Trump’s acceptance speech at the 2016 RNC (Washington Post)
"The dark portrait of America that Donald J. Trump sketched in his acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention is a compendium of doomsday stats that fall apart upon close scrutiny. Numbers are taken out of context, data is manipulated, and sometimes the facts are wrong.
When facts are inconveniently positive — such as rising incomes and an unemployment rate under 5 percent — Trump simply declines to mention them. He describes an exceedingly violent nation, flooded with murders, when in reality, the violent-crime rate has been cut in half since the crack cocaine epidemic hit its peak in 1991."
There is a tribe of American's who say nothing is true except what they know because EVERYONE else is being lied to. Only spokesmen from their side know "what is really going on".
GOP strategist Nicole Wallace, who served on Sen. John McCain’s 2008 campaign, reacted to Donald Trump’s ominous speech at Republican National Convention by declaring that her party was dead.
Chris Wallace, host of Fox News Sunday, who felt like many people did that his delivery was excruciating.
"...he said there were "two ways to view the speech. The actual words of the speech...and when I read it I thought it was a really strong speech...but we can't ignore the presentation. He shouted the speech. For some reason he said each word so slowly that it kind of became an endurance test and in that sense I think it was a bit of a missed opportunity." I had to turn down my volume after thirty minutes because I couldn't handle his shriek-like delivery..."
Although all trump-pets are convinced that the FBI and department of Justice and all seven (eight?) congressional investigations into Clinton were wrong (and they are right), it is no surprise when Trump lies brazenly and consistently.
Trump claims to have special knowledge of reality, “the plain facts that have been edited out of your nightly news and your morning newspaper.”
Fact-checking Donald Trump’s acceptance speech at the 2016 RNC (Washington Post)
"The dark portrait of America that Donald J. Trump sketched in his acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention is a compendium of doomsday stats that fall apart upon close scrutiny. Numbers are taken out of context, data is manipulated, and sometimes the facts are wrong.
When facts are inconveniently positive — such as rising incomes and an unemployment rate under 5 percent — Trump simply declines to mention them. He describes an exceedingly violent nation, flooded with murders, when in reality, the violent-crime rate has been cut in half since the crack cocaine epidemic hit its peak in 1991."
There is a tribe of American's who say nothing is true except what they know because EVERYONE else is being lied to. Only spokesmen from their side know "what is really going on".
grokit
well-worn member
This is weird, because the gop put opposition to the tpp trade agreement, as well as support for restoring the glass-stegal banking/investment firewall, into their platform recently. These are a couple of substantive, competitive differences in policy over clinton, and he didn't even bring them up in his fucking speech, which to me goes to the point that he doesn't really want the job. He briefly touched on trade, but didn't mention the tpp, and never brought up bankers/wall street at all. He went for fear. The whole speech was so paternal I wanted to puke. I can see why though, as paternalism is his only "advantage" in this race. Hillary obviously can't do that, and obama's version wasn't satisfying for many gop voters. The emotional appeals may have worked better if his speech had been cut in half, time-wise he went way too long. He scares me
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turk
turk
...don't always agree with michael moore...but I believe he's right on his assertion that...trump could win this thing...for me...I have the EXACT same feeling about trump...that I did about reagan...and arnold...yes...it could definitely happen...facts.....will not win this election.
grokit
well-worn member
Bush: 'I'm worried that I will be the last Republican president'
The 43rd president's remark, at a gathering in Dallas of his administration's staffers, reflected a dim view of the party's prospects at a time when the primary contest was realistically down to Donald Trump and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz.
"I'm worried that I will be the last Republican president," Bush told a clutch of former aides and advisers.
The comment was reported by Politico. Bush's office declined to comment to CNN.
Bush -- as well as his father, former President George H.W. Bush, and his brother, 2016 presidential candidate Jeb Bush -- are skipping this year's Republican National Convention in Cleveland. So are the party's last two presidential nominees, 2012's Mitt Romney and 2008's Arizona Sen. John McCain.
Bob Dole, the 1996 GOP nominee and the only living Republican presidential choice who is attending the convention, has criticized Republicans who are skipping it.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/19/politics/george-w-bush-last-republican-president/
- George W. Bush fretted in April that he's afraid he "will be the last Republican president"
- Bush's comments came at a Dallas gathering of former staffers
The 43rd president's remark, at a gathering in Dallas of his administration's staffers, reflected a dim view of the party's prospects at a time when the primary contest was realistically down to Donald Trump and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz.
"I'm worried that I will be the last Republican president," Bush told a clutch of former aides and advisers.
The comment was reported by Politico. Bush's office declined to comment to CNN.
Bush -- as well as his father, former President George H.W. Bush, and his brother, 2016 presidential candidate Jeb Bush -- are skipping this year's Republican National Convention in Cleveland. So are the party's last two presidential nominees, 2012's Mitt Romney and 2008's Arizona Sen. John McCain.
Bob Dole, the 1996 GOP nominee and the only living Republican presidential choice who is attending the convention, has criticized Republicans who are skipping it.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/19/politics/george-w-bush-last-republican-president/
Wikileaks just released a searchable database with about 19,200 emails from the DNC about Trump, Hillary and Bernie.
wunderkind
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Just an FYI for people who may not know, C-Span has a youtube channel where they upload each individual speech from these conventions fairly quickly. 720p quality.
https://www.youtube.com/user/CSPAN/videos
As someone who cut the TV service cord (a very liberating experience BTW!) back in 2006, this is a great way to watch. Just the speeches without any BS punditry.
https://www.youtube.com/user/CSPAN/videos
As someone who cut the TV service cord (a very liberating experience BTW!) back in 2006, this is a great way to watch. Just the speeches without any BS punditry.
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Silat
When the Facts Change, I Change My Mind.
Trump gets away with a lot simply because he lies all the time.
The public is interested in the unusual.
When one lies 50 times a day, it's no longer newsworthy.
But Hil's one (not a lie after all) lie about her email server - something of very very small consequence - is easy to latch onto.
Hence she's the one the public identifies as the liar, not him.
The public is interested in the unusual.
When one lies 50 times a day, it's no longer newsworthy.
But Hil's one (not a lie after all) lie about her email server - something of very very small consequence - is easy to latch onto.
Hence she's the one the public identifies as the liar, not him.
Silat
When the Facts Change, I Change My Mind.
It is not hyperbole to bring up the nazi's anymore when talking about the GOP.
grokit
well-worn member
Bernie Sanders... live-tweeting his reactions to Trump’s speech:
Trump thinks climate change is a “hoax.” My supporters understand that we must move away from fossil fuels, not expand them. #RNCwithBernie
Will there be one word about student debt or making college affordable? Or just concerned about more tax breaks for the rich? #RNCwithBernie
Looks like Ted Cruz was right about one thing. Trump does not understand what the Constitution is about. #RNCwithBernie
Trump’s economic plan: same old, same old trickle-down economics. Pathetic. #RNCwithBernie
Trump thinks climate change is a “hoax.” My supporters understand that we must move away from fossil fuels, not expand them. #RNCwithBernie
Will there be one word about student debt or making college affordable? Or just concerned about more tax breaks for the rich? #RNCwithBernie
Looks like Ted Cruz was right about one thing. Trump does not understand what the Constitution is about. #RNCwithBernie
Trump’s economic plan: same old, same old trickle-down economics. Pathetic. #RNCwithBernie
~ Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) July 22, 2016
Gunky
Well-Known Member
I watched a lot of the republican convention. It's like a train wreck: you are horrified but can't quite look away. Trump himself is bad enough but the delegates, omg. Foolish people delivered by an ever more hyperbolic, crazy party to a nasty, lying fascist. A week of watching these well-fed, mean-spirited white folks scream "lock her up!" has left me with a bad taste in my mouth and viewing my fellow denizens of these united states with a jaundiced and suspicious eye. Definitely I feel worse than I did before the convention. Ugh. Colbert in the evenings has helped. That and a ton of weed.
On the positive side things should get better next week. The dems are almost sure to have actual stars, good music, interesting speakers, humor (no dearth of material), lightness and inclusiveness in their convention.
On the positive side things should get better next week. The dems are almost sure to have actual stars, good music, interesting speakers, humor (no dearth of material), lightness and inclusiveness in their convention.
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neverforget711
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He is overt about it, sales/PR is untruth at its best. He as well applied the social media business model ( give them free content and have the product be its distribution) to leverage the msm pay for his campaign for him. They give him earned media because he earns for them and they are just addicted frankly. People raise the 2 billion in free press figure as if Trump was in their pocket, however he's more like their dealer if anything.
cybrguy
Putin is a War Criminal
Thank you for this. I hadn't had a chance to see the attempted lynching of Ted Cruz, and that was something I certainly didn't want to miss. There just weren't many high spots to the show...
wunderkind
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You bet. I'm happy somebody found it useful!
CarolKing
Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
It's more obvious than ever that this man has a dangerous, disturbing vision of America. That he's committed to dividing us, cultivating fear, and exploiting frustration.
Last night, Donald Trump showed exactly why we can't afford to let him near the White House.
Please everyone vote your conscience as Ted Cruz suggests.
I watched Bill Maher's election coverage, it was only a half hour, Wednesday and Thurs. it was hard to get that much conversation going. I am looking forward to his show tonight.
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I want Cory Booker as VP since Elizabeth Warren isn't going to be the choice. I always like to hear him speak.
I see Tim Kaine is the one everybody is talking about.
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election alert - Tim Kaine was chosen as Hillary's VP
Last night, Donald Trump showed exactly why we can't afford to let him near the White House.
Please everyone vote your conscience as Ted Cruz suggests.
I watched Bill Maher's election coverage, it was only a half hour, Wednesday and Thurs. it was hard to get that much conversation going. I am looking forward to his show tonight.
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I want Cory Booker as VP since Elizabeth Warren isn't going to be the choice. I always like to hear him speak.
I see Tim Kaine is the one everybody is talking about.
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election alert - Tim Kaine was chosen as Hillary's VP
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lwien
Well-Known Member
The differences in these conventions should be dramatically obvious. It'll be interesting to see the polls 2 or 3 days after the Dem convention.
The first debate could very well be the most watched TV show in history.
Gunky
Well-Known Member
I can't stand Ted Cruz and wouldn't want him elected dog-catcher but I have to hand it to him for that "Brutus is an honorable man" speech at the convention. For once in his miserable life he did something he can sort of be proud of. His political career is over, I suspect. When the repubs eventually reform into some new party, I doubt they will coalesce around his pinched, brass-knuckled, anti-government, religious right conservatism.
cybrguy
Putin is a War Criminal
After Trump loses in epic fashion, the Republican party is going to have to coalesce in some fashion. There is a pretty good chance, it seems to me, that it will be the people who rejected Trump that end up being the leaders of whatever the new party ends up being. People like Kasich and Cruz and some of the other folks who refuse to get in line behind the Donald (while Romney may be a player, I don't think he will be a leader).
It will be an interesting political science experiment however it turns out.
It will be an interesting political science experiment however it turns out.
lwien
Well-Known Member
That will only happen if the Dems MAKE it happen. I have full confidence that the Trump supporters will turn out in "epic fashion". I wish that I had that same confidence with our side.
We need to have as much hate and fear of a Trump presidency as they have of a Clinton presidency.
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