Discontinued The Grasshopper

btka

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Ive tried to get gh info on using the actual vape.but for some reason this is one of the most uninformative threads we have on fc and im wondering if ita because not as many people have units and ones that do are having problems so not enough people have had the time to mastet it fully and talk about it..ita more qbout failurea and yada yada..
I will jump in later ... I do not have enough experience to share now... for example...
 

kingfisher

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Ive tried to get gh info on using the actual vape.but for some reason this is one of the most uninformative threads we have on fc and im wondering if ita because not as many people have units and ones that do are having problems so not enough people have had the time to mastet it fully and talk about it..ita more qbout failurea and yada yada..

Well I will be honest some of your questions seem to be related to general vaping questions.

1. It doesn't seem to matter but I would imagine reality plays a role. I've had some really fine grind well dried powder.. packed into the heater end of the chamber. Hit gh facing down. Got combustion... Another thing I have noticed sometimes with too fine the screen does not pick up the tiny particles. You then get dust jn your throat. Looking at the screen it seems obvious why. So a medium to broken up nug seems to work. Conversely it is a convection vape so the physics of evaporation apply.

2. Generally doesn't seem to matter. Some common sense, see 1.

3. Depending on if I have more batteries or green on hand I optimize one or the other. If I have plenty of batteries but stash is short.. I step up to 5 from 2. Usually get 6-10 hits depending on quality. If I am running low on batteries I start at 3.5 and take stronger rips. Usually 4 to 6 rips. Rips per bowl.

4. Turn on hit it, 75% of hit turn off, and continue to suck until it cools as it is off. Usually a couple seconds. Maybe whyou I haven't had as much heat issues.

As a last none I have com busted twice, but it was never as bad as other vapes.. as in burning the entire thing. It's like there is one single ember and it goes out quickly.
1. I packed the bowl way too full with really sticky stuff. Air flow was super tight compared to normal. Think too much heat built up.
2. Described in the first #1 above. I think some powder got onto the heater? Or too close.. did not see any ash in the chamber.
 
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Baron23

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Well I will be honest some of your questions seem to be related to general vaping questions.

1. It doesn't seem to matter but I would imagine reality plays a role. I've had some really fine grind well dried powder.. packed into the heater end of the chamber. Hit gh facing down. Got combustion... Another thing I have noticed sometimes with too fine the screen does not pick up the tiny particles. You then get dust jn your throat. Looking at the screen it seems obvious why. So a medium to broken up nug seems to work. Conversely it is a convection vape so the physics of evaporation apply.

2. Generally doesn't seem to matter. Some common sense, see 1.

3. Depending on if I have more batteries or green on hand I optimize one or the other. If I have plenty of batteries but stash is short.. I step up to 5 from 2. Usually get 6-10 hits depending on quality. If I am running low on batteries I start at 3.5 and take stronger rips. Usually 4 to 6 rips. Rips per bowl.

4. Turn on hit it, 75% of hit turn off, and continue to suck until it cools as it is off. Usually a couple seconds. Maybe whyou I haven't had as much heat issues.

As a last none I have com busted twice, but it was never as bad as other vapes.. as in burning the entire thing. It's like there is one single ember and it goes out quickly.
1. I packed the bowl way too full with really sticky stuff. Air flow was super tight compared to normal. Think too much heat built up.
2. Described in the first #1 above. I think some powder got onto the heater? Or too close.. did not see any ash in the chamber.
Thanks, mate. They may be more general vape questions, but the answers do vary for some vaporizers. You ought to see all of the required body English on the FF2 thread. LOL

I'll just keep playing around with grind, how full, and temp and will find my sweet spot.

But I do really appreciate your taking a moment to reply :clap:
 
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Vapetrees

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Ive tried to get gh info on using the actual vape.but for some reason this is one of the most uninformative threads we have on fc and im wondering if ita because not as many people have units and ones that do are having problems so not enough people have had the time to mastet it fully and talk about it..ita more qbout failurea and yada yada..
I wish I had time to answer those questions he asked but I don't have time. Anyways, all of his questions have been answered in this thread before.
 
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Vaperist

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Ive tried to get gh info on using the actual vape.but for some reason this is one of the most uninformative threads we have on fc and im wondering if ita because not as many people have units and ones that do are having problems so not enough people have had the time to mastet it fully and talk about it..ita more qbout failurea and yada yada..
this is not true. every aspect of Hopper usage is covered in this thread.
 

BoinG

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hey everyone,
i´m about to buy a gh but i´m not sure if I should go for a TI or SS version. So whats the benefits of the TI ...? any suggestions on what to buy and why would help me make a decision.
 

newVaper420

Vapor Enthusiast
hey everyone,
i´m about to buy a gh but i´m not sure if I should go for a TI or SS version. So whats the benefits of the TI ...? any suggestions on what to buy and why would help me make a decision.

From what I hear, the titanium metal is a bit cooler while using than the stainless steel and also weighs less. I went TI myself
 

Vaperist

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hey everyone,
i´m about to buy a gh but i´m not sure if I should go for a TI or SS version. So whats the benefits of the TI ...? any suggestions on what to buy and why would help me make a decision.
hi! as far as i have sucked information in here i can tell that Ti is better overall.

this is how i see it. SS version : *feels more hefty *some say 3rd and 4th draw (not back to back, but hits with interval) from SS model is more flavorful because that steel is heating up slower. therefore it condensates some more oil on dee vapor path to retain for latter hits (theoretically) *the body is in same color as a clip.

Ti version: *is lighter *more scratch resistant *titanium is cooling down faster. so you can cool it in your hand and pass it around with friends faster. * Ti is heating up faster. which could mean less goodies to be condensed for your 3rd hit of that bowl. but it also can mean that Ti is extracting faster and stronger for those bong rips.

all i'm saying is if that theory of condensation is correct, than it goes down on how you plan to use your Hopper. if you gonna hopp in a one pinch one hit wonder mode, then better is Ti. for faster extraction in one or two hits of small amounts of herb. also for doing a bong hits this sounds good. but if you wanna pack it full and carry it around in your pocket and using it multiple times (aka MFLB), then perhaps SS model is better in terms of retaining a taste for more hits.

me myself originally pre-ordered SS model. but then i upgrades to Ti. because i like that my inventory stays shiny for as long as possible. like faster cooling and bong hits as well.
 
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subway13029

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this is not true. every aspect of Hopper usage is covered in this thread.
Of course its covered in 300 plus pages and most of all is just filler talk..many other threads on here are much easier to get actual user related info..this one is filled with alot of the issues with the device. So i stand by my statement..
 

°k

The sound of vapor
Pardon me for not searching more than with my unfruitful quick thread search but I need to ask: has anyone heard anything about the GH case please?

I've been waiting for this very advanced piece of technology design to become final and get produced...
 
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balarama

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Wow, just got my GH vape. Actually two as i ordered one for a bro.
First some observations, the two are both SS models but have a slightly different finish, one is more polished, the other looks more matte. But that's just aesthetics.
Another thing i noticed is the clicking sound when heating up, it seems to be a bit louder in the polished one, but it gets quieter if turned horizontally. I wonder if it's normal or not, i suppose the heater gets heated with pulses for better energy consumption but to be honest i was expecting a silent operation. It's not a problem for me, as long as it works fine otherwise.

Heat up is awesome, two to max three seconds and it's time for action.
On demand heating should become the new standard for vapes.

Haven't tried it with herbs yet, so can't say more.

Looks amazing, very elegant and well thought design, i wonder if overheating will be an issue but i think with my way of using it there won't be real problems.

This is gonna be a good weekend, no doubt:)

Cheers
 

Baron23

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I wish I had time to answer those questions he asked but I don't have time. Anyways, all of his questions have been answered in this thread before.


this is not true. every aspect of Hopper usage is covered in this thread.

Yeah, I get it. We are all so very busy people as we spend time posting on a vaperizing board.

Yes, all of the answers are in this thread.....all 372 pages of it.

Thanks guys.:rolleyes:
 
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subway13029

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@Baron23 do you have a hoppet yet? I bought a used and that the good lord for couple awesome members here helping out with the warranty aspect so im shipping it to hopper todwy. They wanted the unit the battery and the charger. So who knows what up..i only got a few wispy hits and i was convincing myself thats how ot performed but it got worse..then i saw vids and ive got a lot of vape experience and most use the same variqbles to operate. I was just wonderi g with the button clicking on and off that it had a technique or something but i just had a bad unit..nothing like the videos and reporfs of madsive clouds..haha
 
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Mister G

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Pardon me for not searching more than with my unfruitful quick thread search but I need to ask: has anyone heard anything about the GH case please?

I've been waiting for this very advanced piece of technology design to become final and get produced...

There has been no change to its current status for many months now.
 

Vapetrees

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Yeah, I get it. We are all so very busy people as we spend time posting on a vaperizing board.

Yes, all of the answers are in this thread.....all 372 pages of it.

Thanks guys.:rolleyes:
Yeah I actually was pretty busy yesterday as my niece was graduating from High School. Otherwise I would've answered all your questions. Patience man, patience you came off pretty harsh. :peace: Also, you can google anything about the GH and after write site:fuckcombustion.com and it will only search this site. :tup:
  • Ground should be coarse or chunky? Or doesn't it matter? It really doesn't matter unless you want a bit less clouds, chunks, or more clouds and a bit less flavor medium grind.
  • Doe orientation matter (e.g. straight up or down vs horizontal...didn't seem to make a difference to me. Orientation doesn't make a difference.
  • I started at 3.5 and liked the taste very much. Bumped up to a little over 4 and got a bit of a burnt taste although absolutely no combustion shown in AVB. What temp do you like for nicely dried herb and do you ever taste a bit of popcorn? I start my Ti at 1 and then move up to 3, and finish at 4.6 as that's before the popcorn taste starts. On my SS I have to start at 3 to be equivalent to a 1 on my Ti, then go to 4, and finish at 4.6. I only go to temperature 5 if I'm going through water as I don't get that popcornalmosttateburnt taste.
  • I turned the vape on and off for each hit. Given the auto shut off timer, heat, etc this seems like the way to go. Comments? I like to take a hit and click it off mid draw, if you take shorter hits it can be less harsh and you can stretch out the bowl for longer "sessions."
 

kingfisher

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I guess I don't understand the fuss about grind. Maybe because I haven't had the ability to get much of a varying grind. I have a grinder and it mashes the bud up. The gh then works. Pretty straight forward.

The only guidelines are not too small. Also You want more surface area for convection, seems like common sense.

Maybe other vapes are more specific?? I've always just used ground stuff for a vape and never really had an issue..
 
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jabba

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I guess I don't understand the fuss about grind. Maybe because I haven't had the ability to get much of a varying grind. I have a grinder and it mashes the bud up. The gh then works. Pretty straight forward.

The only guidelines are not too small. Also You want more surface area for convection, seems like common sense.

Maybe other vapes are more specific?? I've always just used ground stuff for a vape and never really had an issue..

I've never held a GH...but I've read the reviews and seen the photos. It would seem that a fine grind placed in the GH chamber would allow material bits to fall below the built in screen? Under that screen must be the heating element...and beneath that must be battery. Surely (even if hand ground) some of the smaller bits would fall through to the heater area? I'd also think the small bits would pull through the opposite screen (closer to mouthpiece) and end up in your mouth? Again...I haven't used one of these devices....but this has been the nagging question in my mind. The built in screen holes are not tiny (appearing) so it seems clear that bits would fall below the screens?.....never to be fully cleared out/cleaned? Any clarification appreciated.
 

Baron23

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They do not transfer warranty @Baron23 ..at girst caroline said she would work with me and to reference our emails and as soon as i had an issue with it she said sorry i dint understand but warranty is non transferrable..and then quit answering my emails. Thank god fc member is totally helping me out.
Yeah, that was my understanding also. This unit is working great...really solid and no funny stuff so far. But given failure rate of newly introduced products, I don't know about buying without warranty. Got to give it some thought as I am really liking this vape based on my limited experience so far with it.

Just charged it view the magnetic induction charger and all went well....no hot back end, lights did exactly as specified in the manual, all good.

One thing I do agree with "Bud, the Vape Critic" is that I do wish they used more of the diameter of the temp ring for temp setting which would provide the user with greater resolution. But I find the mechanicals of the ring to be pretty darn good, nice smooth movement with nice resistance so it will stay where set.

I guess I don't understand the fuss about grind. Maybe because I haven't had the ability to get much of a varying grind. I have a grinder and it mashes the bud up. The gh then works. Pretty straight forward.

The only guidelines are not too small. Also You want more surface area for convection, seems like common sense.

Maybe other vapes are more specific?? I've always just used ground stuff for a vape and never really had an issue..


In my limited experience, some vapes are very fussy about degree of grind and tamp. Most conduction vapes really like fine grind, but so does my convection Volcano and fine grind actually increases the surface area exposed to the heated air flow.


Some others, well....not so much. With the GH, chunky works good and since its convection I'm not tamping as I would with a conduction vape. Personally, I think its a very good thing if the GH doesn't require a lot of 'technique' and hence my questions are somewhat moot. After all, vapes should mature to the point they are like every other household appliance and most of us wouldn't tolerate a very fussy common appliance, yeah?

Cheers
 
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course grind and loose pack most definitely works best.

Then again it's all subjective so isn't really relevant. YMMV.

Thorinder by Aftergrow provides the best grind I have encountered for my Hopper after several runs of trial and error and 3 months of daily use.

Use Ti Hopper only and through Water 90% of the time.
 
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kingfisher

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I've never held a GH...but I've read the reviews and seen the photos. It would seem that a fine grind placed in the GH chamber would allow material bits to fall below the built in screen? Under that screen must be the heating element...and beneath that must be battery. Surely (even if hand ground) some of the smaller bits would fall through to the heater area? I'd also think the small bits would pull through the opposite screen (closer to mouthpiece) and end up in your mouth? Again...I haven't used one of these devices....but this has been the nagging question in my mind. The built in screen holes are not tiny (appearing) so it seems clear that bits would fall below the screens?.....never to be fully cleared out/cleaned? Any clarification appreciated.
Yeah that's what I described in my post yesterday.

Sorry if I am acting like "how don't you know this" it's just been posted about a dozen times on this thread. I agree at this point a feq section would be nice.

Also it is one of the attractive features of the gh. That It is much more appliance like in its ability to function automatically with a variety of conditions. I think vape critics review heavily neglected this value. This is why I have been able to get my friends to use the vape. Previously they would not bc it was too complicated to vape on the go. Making it hard for me to resist not smoking around them.

It seems many people are so used to needing a special technique whether it's heat, stirring, or how you draw. That they expect to have to do that with the gh. While there are some small quirks that make its use most optimal. They aren't required. LIke turning off before the hit is complete to cycle cool air through the unit.

I don't have a ff2 but it sounds very similar to the issues of the first... draw technique required, stirring required, and time to get desired effect is too long. I was very unhappy with the first after watching reviews online and expecting a great portable everyone could use.
 

MoltenTiger

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I'm with the @kingfisher this device is adaptive and it will just work with whatever style you want to get down with if you want to get down like that.
Examples:

MFLB finishing grind, pixie dust consistency, vapes insanely well but does not require and shouldn't be 'thumb-packed'. Insanely even, thorough extraction. Increasing the surface area of the material exponentially increases the amount of heat availability to the overall mass, stirring is effective for regaining rapid cloud production though non-essential. Without stirring there's minor polarisation of colour consistency however an even hue gradient with both sides satisfyingly vaporised.
You can fit a good amount of herb in and this'd be good for day-packers.

SLX v2 Ceramic Coated 4pc, fluffy but small-medium even grind consistency. Partially shredded, partially chopped. (a really good grinder). It's basically the same story, but the material surface area has shrunk. So, although there is enough material by default to get good clouds, you extract less of the essential oils via direct convection heating, and rely on conduction heat transfer within the material to vaporise the oils found beneath the surface. The hopper chamber is really well insulated, so this drastically aids all of the heat transfers.

Can you tell the difference?
You can argue plasma or LCD all day. Whatever you get down with, it just works, there's not enough difference to care. Subtle nuances are fun though, but more fundamental between strains.
Personally, I'd say you get more flavour off an MFLBfin grind, but flavour dies along with the bowl, which can sometimes be slowly if using directly.
In everyday use it really just comes down to convenience, MFLBfin does produce amazing pixie dust but at what time cost? It's some form of strange treat for me basically. Some kind of how much did I spend on this tiny inconvenience kinda rationalisation :\ Not so with the SLX. Maybe a larger super fine grinder would be best, but really, anything that produces even size particles is going to give you the best results.
Also
This official video gives a very accurate example of what a typical small-medium grind will end up as. Fine grind is the same.
and for other mediums:

pinches of bud, great for initial flavour sampling of a strain. Keeping all crystals intact gives a fucking delicious flavour. So good. And if you take big rips you can vaporize the whole nug. Stirring, which aids rapid cloud production after some use, is easy, it just breaks apart in the upturned chamber, but you eventually get the majority from a solid piece anyway. The chamber is a convection oven, passively forced. It works really well, more like a furnace.

and then there's hash! I tried some bag hash, and it worked well to some extent. I think I needed hotter temps or more thermal mass for it to properly heat up. Medicinally speaking it worked fantastically, but the piece I put in just wanted to stick around. I don't have much experience with hash, I would usually just put it on a combustion bowl and blast it in a hit. It worked well enough with the hopper, strong effect, but a bit lacklustre for what hash is.

I feel dabs would be similar, and I have read that HL are planning a conduction based front-end adapter which would basically address the low mass concentrate dilemma.

Kief is where this thing kills it though. Like any other vaporizer. Kief is da bomb. And hopper kief bombs are a real treat that will soon deplete your kief.
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Also, just found out via grasshoppervape.com, my hopper has been with HL warranty since the 7th, so I should have it soon. Kinda surprised, no email and I only now just logged in. Siiiick.
This thing is the shit. And I can't wait to get it back!
 
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Baron23

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I'm with the @kingfisher this device is adaptive and it will just work with whatever style you want to get down with if you want to get down like that.
Examples:

MFLB finishing grind, pixie dust consistency, vapes insanely well but does not require and shouldn't be 'thumb-packed'. Insanely even, thorough extraction. Increasing the surface area of the material exponentially increases the amount of heat availability to the overall mass, stirring is effective for regaining rapid cloud production though non-essential. Without stirring there's minor polarisation of colour consistency however an even hue gradient with both sides satisfyingly vaporised.
You can fit a good amount of herb in and this'd be good for day-packers.

SLX v2 Ceramic Coated 4pc, fluffy but small-medium even grind consistency. Partially shredded, partially chopped. (a really good grinder). It's basically the same story, but the material surface area has shrunk. So, although there is enough material by default to get good clouds, you extract less of the essential oils via direct convection heating, and rely on conduction heat transfer within the material to vaporise the oils found beneath the surface. The hopper chamber is really well insulated, so this drastically aids all of the heat transfers.

Can you tell the difference?
You can argue plasma or LCD all day. Whatever you get down with, it just works, there's not enough difference to care. Subtle nuances are fun though, but more fundamental between strains.
Personally, I'd say you get more flavour off an MFLBfin grind, but flavour dies along with the bowl, which can sometimes be slowly if using directly.
In everyday use it really just comes down to convenience, MFLBfin does produce amazing pixie dust but at what time cost? It's some form of strange treat for me basically. Some kind of how much did I spend on this tiny inconvenience kinda rationalisation :\ Not so with the SLX. Maybe a larger super fine grinder would be best, but really, anything that produces even size particles is going to give you the best results.
Also
This official video gives a very accurate example of what a typical small-medium grind will end up as. Fine grind is the same.
and for other mediums:

pinches of bud, great for initial flavour sampling of a strain. Keeping all crystals intact gives a fucking delicious flavour. So good. And if you take big rips you can vaporize the whole nug. Stirring, which aids rapid cloud production after some use, is easy, it just breaks apart in the upturned chamber, but you eventually get the majority from a solid piece anyway. The chamber is a convection oven, passively forced. It works really well, more like a furnace.

and then there's hash! I tried some bag hash, and it worked well to some extent. I think I needed hotter temps or more thermal mass for it to properly heat up. Medicinally speaking it worked fantastically, but the piece I put in just wanted to stick around. I don't have much experience with hash, I would usually just put it on a combustion bowl and blast it in a hit. It worked well enough with the hopper, strong effect, but a bit lacklustre for what hash is.

I feel dabs would be similar, and I have read that HL are planning a conduction based front-end adapter which would basically address the low mass concentrate dilemma.

Kief is where this thing kills it though. Like any other vaporizer. Kief is da bomb. And hopper kief bombs are a real treat that will soon deplete your kief.
_________

Also, just found out via grasshoppervape.com, my hopper has been with HL warranty since the 7th, so I should have it soon. Kinda surprised, no email and I only now just logged in. Siiiick.
This thing is the shit. And I can't wait to get it back!

Thank you so very much, MoltenTiger.

First let me say that I agree completely with you and kingfisher...as I said above, I really think we need to adopt the attitude that vapes are household appliances, that our expectations of product and company should be commensurate, and that we should NOT make excuses and come up with all kinds of body english to justify vapes that fall short of that standard (said justification being very vigorously pursued in the FC thread of another new portable). Successful vapes should "just work" IMO.

Thank you for the above. I do have a New Vape fine grinder that I like VERY much and with which I grind and dry herb for Volcano and conduction vapes. I will indeed try some in the GH, don't know that its pixie dust, but it is fine and it is dry. Perhaps I will find as you did that between fine and medium grind there ain't much difference.

Cheers
 
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