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WatTyler

Revolting Peasant
I know its a bit off topic but what had happened with ALT WatTyler?
Nothing too bad MrFonez, they just sent me a dodgy piece and didn't want to put it right (plus it wasn't the pictured piece that I ordered, but I was less bothered about that (though it is unforgivable really))- there's a thread here. They're kinda OK - plenty of other happy customers and they put me right in the end- but their store policies are weighted very, very heavily in their favour and not the best (poor to awful) service. I'll shop elsewhere now on principle.
 

YoGranMazPimp

I Vapes Hard
They did waive a restocking fee they previously were going to charge me for a stem I ordered in the wrong size. Nearly every company has fees for this or that.
 
YoGranMazPimp,

WatTyler

Revolting Peasant
Maybe in the US. Here it's totally illegal (maybe across the EU?)- you get 7 days after you've received something you've bought online to return it for any reason, even just a change of mind, for a full refund including shipping charges (you have to pay to ship it back though, so this does prevent time wasting). As consumer it's a great regulation when you're buying stuff unseen- pictures and descriptions can be deceptive. It's a shame it doesn't apply to the whole internet IMO. So my usual experience of this kind of protection does make the ALT offering seem somewhat brutally weighted in their favour :/ I don't think any of the other glass stores policies are quite so harsh?
 
WatTyler,

OhTheAgony

here for the chicks
It's almost the same here in NL, Wat. I think it was ten days at first but they changed it up to 14 a while ago.

Azarius gave me nothing less then 31 days to decide if I want my money back even.
 
OhTheAgony,

EyeFonez

Herb Roaster
Nothing too bad MrFonez, they just sent me a dodgy piece and didn't want to put it right (plus it wasn't the pictured piece that I ordered, but I was less bothered about that (though it is unforgivable really))- there's a thread here. They're kinda OK - plenty of other happy customers and they put me right in the end- but their store policies are weighted very, very heavily in their favour and not the best (poor to awful) service. I'll shop elsewhere now on principle.
Thanks for clearing that up Wat.

Just ordered a SYN micro beaker from them so I'll let you know how that goes hah!
 
EyeFonez,

Dr. Plutonious

Well-Known Member
Hey guys, I don't know much about concentrate use much as was wondering if someone can explain how these work.

Does this 'dab' the oil the same way a nail would? Or are you essentially combusting it.

Basically, I just need an explanation on how these work as a whole :p
 
Dr. Plutonious,

Vitolo

Vaporist
Does this 'dab' the oil the same way a nail would? Or are you essentially combusting it.
You are heating the oil that is trapped in the stone with very hot air.
Different folks approach the Healthstone differently.
I have been playing with a dry Healthstone extract pipe.
I use the soft blue flame as a heat source, the same as I prefer for the VG.
While some folks do touch the stone or oil with flame, I do not.. but rather draw the heat down off the flame (also exactly as I use the VG with flower) I get no mess down in the pipe, because I use caution with the heat. The pipe you see me use here has had a dozen hits through it.
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This is a slow trickle hit:
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This is an ideal vape for a patient that has no access to large space... while needing versatility to do as small or large a dab as needed.
The member that donated this will surely make medicating simple for a patient without technical knowhow, or access to batteries and easily worn parts.
 
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Jurkone

Well-Known Member
You are heating the oil that is trapped in the stone with very hot air.
Different folks approach the Healthstone differently.
I have been playing with a dry Healthstone extract pipe.
I use the soft blue flame as a heat source, the same as I prefer for the VG.
While some folks do touch the stone or oil with flame, I do not.. but rather draw the heat down off the flame (also exactly as I use the VG with flower) I get no mess down in the pipe, because I use caution with the heat. The pipe you see me use here has had a dozen hits through it.
vapehs.png

vapehs1.png


This is a slow trickle hit:
hs.gif

This is an ideal vape for a patient that has no access to large space... while needing versatility to do as small or large a dab as needed.
The member that donated this will surely make medicating simple for a patient without technical knowhow, or access to batteries and easily worn parts.

Do you use a zero impurities butane? Don't you think that with the HSG we can inhale some gas combustion subproducts in the process? It's what i always have felt, and for that reason never tryed it before. :)
 
Jurkone,

Vitolo

Vaporist
I use Newport Butane. In emergency I use Vector 5X. These are clean.
Butane is completely burned by the time it is lit up, and is no danger according to
what I have read.
If one were concerned with impurities, they would not touch the flame to the stone, but rather do as I suggested earlier, and draw the heat downward to the stone.
I am imagining that you are not a fan of the Vaporgenie either!

Cheap butane is a risk always, for some of the garbage in there does not actually combust.
That would spatter out the tip of torch (oils /crap) and "taint" the flavors, in theory.

I am cautious as I use the tool, and for my situation I personally feel safe enough.
 

Egzoset

Banned
Salutations JurkOne,

Do you use a zero impurities butane?

There's no such thing as "Zero" impurities, the amount to be expect in my location appears to range around 15 ~ 30 ppm. The real issue about it might have to do with the fact that the butane cans don't advertise what's in the comet dust trace (as i like to call it), though domestic polutants may happen to be a more pressing concern, at least in immediate terms i figure...

Don't you think that with the HSG we can inhale some gas combustion subproducts in the process?

Oh my goodness, the worms got out of that can again!... :worms:

Please allow me to pass.

It's what i always have felt, and for that reason never tryed it before.

Wait, i don't think i've gathered this passage correctly. You "felt" it but never actually gave it a try?

M'well, my rememberances of butane fear have become increasingly vague. Probably because i've climbed my learning curve and managed to avoid manipulation errors, combined with frequent purging for example...

Good day, have fun!

:peace:
 
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Jurkone

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I use Newport Butane. In emergency I use Vector 5X. These are clean.
Butane is completely burned by the time it is lit up, and is no danger according to
what I have read.
If one were concerned with impurities, they would not touch the flame to the stone, but rather do as I suggested earlier, and draw the heat downward to the stone.
I am imagining that you are not a fan of the Vaporgenie either!

Cheap butane is a risk always, for some of the garbage in there does not actually combust.
That would spatter out the tip of torch (oils /crap) and "taint" the flavors, in theory.

I am cautious as I use the tool, and for my situation I personally feel safe enough.

Thanks for the aqnswer. The thing is that i actually have a vaporgenie, but i use it with a hempwick. Just wanted to know another opinion about the isue :)

Salutations JurkOne,

There's no such thing as "Zero" impurities, the amount to be expect in my location appears to range around 15 ~ 30 ppm. The real issue about it might have to do with the fact that the butane cans don't advertise what's in the comet dust trace (as i like to call it), though domestic polutants may happen to be a more pressing concern, at least in immediate terms i figure...

That's true, I should have said Near Zero impurities. My fault.

Oh my goodness, the worms got out of that can again!... :worms:

Please allow me to pass.
Feel free to do whatever you want, please. :rockon::rockon::rockon:


Wait, i don't think i've gathered this passage correctly. You "felt" it but never actually gave it a try?

M'well, my rememberances of butane fear have become increasingly vague. Probably because i've climbed my learning curve and managed to avoid manipulation errors, combined with frequent purging for example...

Good day, have fun! :peace:

Maybe i didn't use the correct word, I ment that it's the impression that i have about it, i think it may be this way, but i don't know exactly because i've never tried it before.

Thanks for answering!
 
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Vitolo

Vaporist
Thanks for the aqnswer. The thing is that i actually have a vaporgenie, but i use it with a hempwick.
I tried a hempwick a dozen times over the years.
I never had good results, and the VaporGenie/hempwick trials were no different.
There was often soot involved on whatever tools I used the hempwick with.
Carbons from yellow flame are more disturbing to me than the blue flame of combusted butane which leaves behind no soot. Carbons and their related byproducts are the known carcinogens here!
When I use the VG, I never actually have the blue flame touch my "stone"... it is a long slow draw that is stealing heat from the blue flam passing overhead.
 

Egzoset

Banned
Salutations JurkOne,

...i actually have a vaporgenie... ... My fault.

It doesn't have to be anyone's fault and i'm very satisfied with my modded VG pipe so perhaps what it says is that others may need a bit of modding too, possibly after all else has been attempted.

...i think it may be this way, but i don't know exactly because i've never tried it before.

Well, i feel even more confused than before. I can only offer my own testimony i guess, that my fears from butane have tamed down a very long time ago as i acquired proper manipulation skills, eventually.

At first i pre-heat using gentle inhalation force as it doesn't take much to keep the fire going until my front puck turns dim-red, then being worried that my lighter may not be sturdy enough for the job i swap them around (i use 2) while the hot one cools down on wet paper. Since the two lighters aren't identical in performance there's one for powerful tasks as pre-heating and the other is for precision work. It's been quite a while since i tried a genuine VG pipe, so i forgot how it was but mine causes a sense of restriction when the vaporization temperature is reached and vapor generation has started: it's like the vegetal bed followed by a pair of inter-spaced grids got pores that become too tight for all the vapor to pass through at once, which is a hint that i should stop heating. At that point if there's enough energy stored into the core then i just want to pass from gentle to stronger inhalation long enough to store the goodies in my upper airways, finally using the rest of my lung capacity to bring that deeper down. But this is all using a modded VG pipe, so, if at first you fail and persist doing so then maybe you could consider following a similar path as mine. It works here and whatever remains of a butane taste is only a myth to me now, it simply takes more time/effort for some of us it seems.

So i think anyone can do it, not to mention the acquired skills should prove worthy for a lifetime.

Proper butane burning generates heat + CO2 + water and the later component is essential to my satisfaction as it provides self-moisturization in a most convenient format. Too bad if there must be 15 ppm of comet dust, it's not like i suck on it all day: using a torch flame the pre-heat time is actually made as brief as it can be, the main inhalation is performed with that flame removed...

Good day, have fun!!

:peace:
 
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Jurkone

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I tried a hempwick a dozen times over the years.
I never had good results, and the VaporGenie/hempwick trials were no different.
There was often soot involved on whatever tools I used the hempwick with.
Carbons from yellow flame are more disturbing to me than the blue flame of combusted butane which leaves behind no soot. Carbons and their related byproducts are the known carcinogens here!
When I use the VG, I never actually have the blue flame touch my "stone"... it is a long slow draw that is stealing heat from the blue flam passing overhead.

I like using a hempwick, but i didn't know anything about carbons. thankyou for the info, Vitolo :)

Salutations JurkOne,



It doesn't have to be anyone's fault and i'm very satisfied with my modded VG pipe so perhaps what it says is that others may need a bit of modding too, possibly after all else has been attempted.



Well, i feel even more confused than before. I can only offer my own testimony i guess, that my fears from butane have tamed down a very long time ago as i acquired proper manipulation skills, eventually.

At first i pre-heat using gentle inhalation force as it doesn't take much to keep the fire going until my front puck turns dim-red, then being worried that my lighter may not be sturdy enough for the job i swap them around (i use 2) while the hot one cools down on wet paper. Since the two lighters aren't identical in performance there's one for powerful tasks as pre-heating and the other is for precision work. It's been quite a while since i tried a genuine VG pipe, so i forgot how it was but mine causes a sense of restriction when the vaporization temperature is reached and vapor generation has started: it's like the vegetal bed followed by a pair of inter-spaced grids got pores that become too tight for all the vapor to pass through at once, which is a hint that i should stop heating. At that point if there's enough energy stored into the core then i just want to pass from gentle to stronger inhalation long enough to store the goodies in my upper airways, finally using the rest of my lung capacity to bring that deeper down. But this is all using a modded VG pipe, so, if at first you fail and persist doing so then maybe you could consider following a similar path as mine. It works here and whatever remains of a butane taste is only a myth to me now, it simply takes more time/effort for some of us it seems.

So i think anyone can do it, not to mention the acquired skills should prove worthy for a lifetime.

Proper butane burning generates heat + CO2 + water and the later component is essential to my satisfaction as it provides self-moisturization in a most convenient format. Too bad if there must be 15 ppm of comet dust, it's not like i suck on it all day: using a torch flame the pre-heat time is actually made as brief as it can be, the main inhalation is performed with that flame removed...

Good day, have fun!!

:peace:

Thank you for the info, i'll try your method and tell you my experience :) It's nice to broke prejudices.
 

Egzoset

Banned
Salutations JurkOne,

...i'll try your method and tell you my experience...

The following topic may have been addressed before.

Since your own perspective will matter decisively in the end i'd suggest actively seeking a suitable comfort zone with the use of blue flame torches on SiC pellets, and this would imply the need to identify/locate an appropriate "jet" lighter, not to mention quality butane gas (e.g. around here i don't expect Ronson to be the same as my usual London or better). Among important factors there is the intensity throttling range and how well-balanced it matches target operating specifications (away from end-of-range limits, ideally), at least in theory i guess. Of course as customers we never get to decide of a purchase based on such information, so you may need to try quite a few samples, considering individual items offen differ significantly from each other within a very same model/batch...

:science:

In my personal case a torch flame that's too strong would cause the wood to smell (...), while if it's too weak then my lighter's body may tend to become hotter as a result of longer heating periods required to compensate. Some butane lighters last for only a few weeks despite frequent purges, others survive a whole year (but they'll eventually fail too). I'm not sure it's worth going fancy, as long as aspects like throttle and angle meet expectations on the long run.

Good luck with that quest anyway; the product illustrated below was my best shot so far as it worked for about a year i think and it provided a proper comfort zone though the body felt real hot after awhile!...


It's not much about cost, the new units i got to use right now were comparable but just won't perform as nicely for as long, well that's some persistent intuition... Consequently, seen from that angle alone i miss my MF208 a great deal: i should have made provisions!!

:doh:

In any case somehow i perceive striking similarities to the "Health Stone" concept: once red-hot my front SiC puck releases heat into air passing through, yours would melt goodies. That would be one main difference, right?

So, i wish i could tell which brand/model YOU must try. All i know is what worked using my modded VG pipe. Perhaps you need more power and then what works for me may fail nonetheless, hence the need to try a few, even possibly many...

Luck and perseverance will help, have both. :D

Good day, have fun!

:peace:
 
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Jurkone

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Salutations JurkOne,



The following topic may have been addressed before.

Since your own perspective will matter decisively in the end i'd suggest actively seeking a suitable comfort zone with the use of blue flame torches on SiC pellets, and this would imply the need to identify/locate an appropriate "jet" lighter, not to mention quality butane gas (e.g. around here i don't expect Ronson to be the same as my usual London or better). Among important factors there is the intensity throttling range and how well-balanced it matches target operating specifications (away from end-of-range limits, ideally), at least in theory i guess. Of course as customers we never get to decide of a purchase based on such information, so you may need to try quite a few samples, considering individual items offen differ significantly from each other within a very same model/batch...

:science:

In my personal case a torch flame that's too strong would cause the wood to smell (...), while if it's too weak then my lighter's body may tend to become hotter as a result of longer heating periods required to compensate. Some butane lighters last for only a few weeks despite frequent purges, others survive a whole year (but they'll eventually fail too). I'm not sure it's worth going fancy, as long as aspects like throttle and angle meet expectations on the long run.

Good luck with that quest anyway; the product illustrated below was my best shot so far as it worked for about a year i think and it provided a proper comfort zone though the body felt real hot after awhile!...



It's not much about cost, the new units i got to use right now were comparable but just won't perform as nicely for as long, well that's some persistent intuition... Consequently, seen from that angle alone i miss my MF208 a great deal: i should have made provisions!!

:doh:

In any case somehow i perceive striking similarities to the "Health Stone" concept: once red-hot my front SiC puck releases heat into air passing through, yours would melt goodies. That would be one main difference, right?

So, i wish i could tell which brand/model YOU must try. All i know is what worked using my modded VG pipe. Perhaps you need more power and then what works for me may fail nonetheless, hence the need to try a few, even possibly many...

Luck and perseverance will help, have both. :D

Good day, have fun!

:peace:

Thank you for the advices. It's true that it's a bit difficult to find good jet lighters these days, because most of them are cheap and made of low quality materials, they usually stop working soon, or broke easily.

I'll look for some of them and start trying :)

I have access to Colibri butane, what do you think? It's a good option, isn't it?

Have a nice day! :)
 
Jurkone,

Egzoset

Banned
Salutations JurkOne,

...it's a bit difficult to find good jet lighters these days...

Even if i were to buy a handful of those they would still keep developing issues eventually, but the output seems just right for my use. Too bad the reliability standard went so low.

I have access to Colibri butane, what do you think?

If a Colibri butane can is carrying 30 ppm or less of impurities (preferably 15) then that's no worse than what i get in here. Also, another way for me to limit "comet dust" intake has to do with selection of a pair of lighters providing sufficient power (as less of it is being inhaled by improving my pre-heat time: if it's too weak then i keep pre-heating for too long)...

Good day, have fun! :peace:
 
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SSVUN~YAH

You Must Unlearn, What You Have Learned...
One thing I know for sure is don't order through Amazon for a vapor stone replacement! I ordered through tourneygoods which is apparently @BakeBros they have a picture of the Healthstone vapor stone replacement but send you an aquarium rock that is not only damaged but also not even close to be the correct size or correct stone. What a sham, I immediately got on BakeBros.com and realized they don't sell this through their website, smart move by them. Bad move by selling shady gear behind a seperate business name, then throwing BakeBros schwag and business cards with this aquarium style stone. I'm confident it will be taken care of, but is a major hassle and a shady move. Even says "quality checked" in pen on the reciept, what a joke! BakeBros might have lost a customer and I was the one who introduced them to our wonderful community, kind of second guessing that now, but we'll see how hey handle this situation first.
 
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