Jeremy Driscoll
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I just saw the, first two cartoon episodes. And there nothing racist. Where in the film does it turn racist?
Sanford And Son Racist?
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I just saw the, first two cartoon episodes. And there nothing racist. Where in the film does it turn racist?
Caligula
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Is this real life?
Anyway, all these old racist shows piss me off. They would NEVER get away with saying that stuff now.
Screw this, Im going to go watch some Boondocks, Tosh, and Chepelle show reruns.
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Jeremy Driscoll
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Is this real life?
No. These are cartoons we are talking about. Not real life. It started out as a discussion about racist shows like Sanford and Son, and the people who acted are real, but the story line, is written. I do not know of any racist shows or cartoons that are based on real life. But that is a good question. Does anyone here know of anything based on real life or not?
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Actually, it's still around. Granted, this is The Boondocks, but take this clip for example where the black/white race issue comes up. This stuff plays on TV! It's everywhere, you just have to look for it.
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Youre kidding right? go to 21:40, also I wouldnt give a damn if an adult sitcom displayed racism, as an adult you should be able to distinguish right and wrong and COMEDY now although those cartoons were originated for adults they were CLEARLY racist. The Little Black Sambo, Scrub ME Mama to a Boogie Beat. Racist as FUCK!!! For kids or adults LAZY TOWN! Thats how Blacks are viewed? Whats so funny in this comedy?
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Jeremy Driscoll
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No. It being a cartoon has nothing to do with wether or not it is racist. I was just answering the persons question. Someone earlier was asking if something was real life. And I had to explain to them that the cartoons and shows that have been mentioned in this thread are not mentioned by the writers of the shows as based on a true story.
I was not kidding. And I never got that far, remember I told everyone that I only watched the first two shows and then I stopped because from what I did watch their was nothing racist. But I did start it from 2140 and saw nothing racist. Instead I saw a show. The show is called Lazy Town, or at least it shows a town called Lazy. The cartoon showed nothing racist. So please learn to pay attention. The show had black people in it, but that does not make it racist. Are you saying it is ok with white people getting scrubbed and enjoying a Boogie Beat, but if black people do it too then it is racist? So your saying that if a black person shows talent in music then it is racist? And as for the Lazy part do not forget that it is the WHOLE town who is lazy, not just the black residents and they do show a white baby so we know that there have white people. Basically here is the bottom line. If it showed black people as lazy, and if the town next door had only white people and was called something like non-lazy town then I could see the comparison, because when compared side by side on the same show the black people when compared to the white people look bad. But that is not happening here. This is not like Sanford and Son. This is not a cartoon showing two races on the same show, with one race constantly on top, while the other is always showing everyone from that race as an idiot, like Sanford and Son is and does to whites. Instead this is a cartoon that shows that everyone in a town is lazy until they get the boogie beat started.
As to answer your question as to what is so funny, I would have to say I do not know. I did not find it funny but then again I do not find most comedies funny well except dave chapel. And remember the little black samba was not racist either. What was so racist about it? Do you have something against blacks being named sambo.
Well if you think. That if someone who is 30 yrs old does not have a grasp because to you 30 is to young then ok, that is your opinion.
EXACTLY. Why would black people make commercials to support shows that are racist against blacks? Why wouldn't the commercial instead be used for shows like all in the family that are not against blacks but for them? You see that right there proves it was not racist show.
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lwien
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Hell, I'm 70 and I KNOW that I don't have a grasp.
(Now what in the hell was I just talking about..........
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Jeremy Driscoll
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Your 70? You serious? You mind helping me out with a problem? I have been trying to get my conservative old grandma to give MJ a try, but she will not. Because it is against federal law. She said that maybe someday, when the law is changed but she said that it has always been this way and she raised not to question the law. So I guess she is too old fashioned for her own good.
The sad thing is. She lost her 3rd husband, she is old, and does not have much time left. She has arthritis and other problems that I think could be helped from Marijuana. But it will not. If she is too damn old, and scared to try anything new to help. What advice could you, give me.
The sad thing is. She lost her 3rd husband, she is old, and does not have much time left. She has arthritis and other problems that I think could be helped from Marijuana. But it will not. If she is too damn old, and scared to try anything new to help. What advice could you, give me.
Curiousone
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If you believe this, you really need a better understanding of the history of television and race in this country. You will find quite the opposite is true. Don't use your few examples to make a sweeping generalization about TV in America.
You're not much younger than me...think back to when you were a kid. How many positive images of black people did you see? How many of them starred in their own shows? Compare that number to white men...I could get much deeper than that, but maybe things will get clearer. Times were different...things are better, but not as they should be. Just think about it, honestly.
Jeremy Driscoll
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Responding to your first sentence, you are wrong. There is nothing better to understand regarding the history of television to make anything you say relevant. My understand of history of television or racism in this country does not all of sudden make racist shows that show white people as idiots no longer racist. Face it. There was this thing in this country called racism, and throughout the years both white and black people have faced discrimination from each other, the difference is that when shows come on the makers of all in the family and what not did their shows to get rid of racism, and black cast dominated shows did their shows to be racist against white people. That is proven. This is not a debate in case you thought it was, this is truth. What makes it truth? Well perhaps the fact that it is proven from the tv shows themselves and the examples I mentioned from Sanford and Son and what not that shows it as clear as day.
Responding to your first sentence, you are wrong. Show me where there is more racism against black people compared to white in regards to tv and I will change my statement.
Responding to your questions in the second paragraph. Hey, its not my fault writers who are made of not only white people but black people for mainly black dominate shows are lacking in talent or motivation to make more black shows. If you have a problem with what you seem to describe as black people lacking the ability to make more shows, then take it up with writers. I am not a racist, and unlike you I do not judge shows the way you do to the extent of comparing how many black dom shows their were or are compared to white dom. And unlike you I especially don't use the fact that black people decided to have less to do with tv as an excuse to insinuate anything bad about anyone or anything. And as to how many positive black images, well lets see, other than the black friends I grew up with, the black teachers, the black neighbors, my adopted black siblings, and the fact that every single display of black people on tv my entire life that I have seen be nothing but completely positive in every way thinkable, I am starting to wonder if you know what you are talking about.
Face it when it comes to this debate, this is just not your cup of tea.
I even waited a few days before responding this even though it is my thread, just to make sure I was right and not just being cocky or unjustified in know it all ness. And during those days, all my black friends family, and even my black girlfriend agrees with everything I have said. Now if you want to go ahead and say that all my black friends are wrong about racism or ethics, or anything else that the black majority of people believe is wrong then that is up to you, but I think that if you learned to give black people a chance you would see that maybe just maybe they know what they are talking about, and that you might be the one who does not know it all after all. And I am a white guy saying this, so it is not like it is hard to understand.
Don't feel bad, you are not the first. Remember when someone at one time thought that the black samba, lazy town, and betty boop were racist as mentioned from the clip shown. And there was nothing racist about those shows. Unless someone would like to prove me wrong by mentioning what part about those shows is in any way racist.
And lets not forget that throughout history most of the writers of the shows and movies were written by both white and black people, so please do not be one of the many extremely retarded bastards out there who do not read before they type and decide to mention white writers as a way to make any points of any kind about the race of the writers and the shows, because if you do that then you are obviously and now proven as a dumb piece of shit. And that is not me picking on anyone instead it is just me trying to prevent morons from posting, which I am sure they will in the future so when this happens, this is a part of this post to warn readers about any future and NOW PROVEN morons that may comment, but because this has not happened yet please do not use this paragraph as a way to act as if I am picking on anyone harshly. I will will prove that I am not being harsh, for when a moron does comment like so if someone does in the future heck it could just be the next comment, I will simply tell them that the debate is my cup of tea ask the bastard whomever they may be to read before they type, and that is all I will say to them, that way FC can be assured I am being respectful to everyone, which it is proven based on this paragraph I am.
History obviously my cup, of tea. And anyone who thinks otherwise is soon to be proven an idiot.
Mod note: This is not "your thread." This forum is owned by vtac last I looked.....
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RUDE BOY
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Jeremy you do understand that old white guys pretty much decide for us what we can watch on the tube of at the movies don't you ? The shows from the 70s staring anyone white, Black, red, yellow, purple or blue were for the most part Written and produced by old white guys.
History. Not your cup of tea either is it.
History. Not your cup of tea either is it.
Jeremy Driscoll
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I already knew that actually. So I guess it is still my cup of tea after all. Thank you. Without your help there might still have been idiots who thought this was not my cup of tea, but thanks to you basing the argument on wether or not I knew something that I already did know as the deciding factor to prove once and for all that I am right.
This thread is not under debate wether the writers were black or white. It is about the shows being racist or not. Please read before typing.
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Curiousone
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Jesus H. Christ!!!
You clearly don't understand what I wrote...Comprehension seems to be your issue, not racism. I never suggested you were racist anyway. I suggested you don't understand the history of race and TV in this country. Your long-winded response further proved that. What you wrote about black TV show writers is just wrong...it shows you don't know what you're talking about and I don't have enough time to set you straight.
I am BLACK. I am a teacher. I studied philosophy (9 hours away from a master's) so I could point out all the flaws in your argument. I'm not here to make myself look good, nor to make you look stupid (Though I could easily defeat you in a debate on this topic). I hoped to help expand your mind. It was not meant as an insult...not at all. I am much more forward when I wish to insult someone. I suggest you reread my post and actually think about what I'm saying rather than argue. I encourage you to research what I've suggested. What you think is FAR from truth...you would be better off to leave this in the realm of debate.
Sambo not racist? Ha!
You are not in touch with the Black experience...I'm sorry to say. Dating a Black girl doesn't prove anything. I've dated white girls who had very strong racist inclinations, but they were attracted to black guys. So that information was useless. The fact that she agrees with you only suggests that she doesn't know or understand the history that I'm trying to help you comprehend. As a teacher, I deal with black students who have no idea about their history and the history of this country so no surprise there either. If you take my advice to actually research and learn from a more educated and experienced elder, please include her in your journey. If what you say is truth, she could benefit as much as you.
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Jeremy Driscoll
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Being offensive to another member by calling their education "horse shit" and a " 9 years of a cocky of a waste of life" isn't going to fly in this forum. Your general tone is also condescending.
Here we go again. You do know it is probably better to only comment when you can understand what it is you are debating about right? Here let me help.
First of all calm down. We are all friends here, you may have a problem with calming down, but just relax, breath and chill out, this is friendly debate not an excuse to have a temper tantrum.
Now.
Responding to your comments, you being black is great, good for you, hey guess what that does not mean you are the authority to speak about something as if you are predestined to be right about something based on your blackness. Just like me being white or my gf being black does not represent the majority of anything, it is the facts that matter in a debate. You being black does not mean that you speak for the majority or minority of anything or anyone, the basis that all or the majority type of a race believe or think a certain way based on one mans views based on the connection being the same skin color is racist. You see all racism is bad. Sure in your mind because you are a black teacher with a horse shit education therefore you must speak for all blacks or in your situation for everyone with a horse shit education. But that is racist. And it is wrong. I am white does that mean that I get to speak for all white people based on your logic and I get to call anything that is racist now no longer racist because of it? Well according to your logic I do, or maybe I do if I have a horse shit education to go with my views like you do?
As for me mentioning my black, gf that was only done because I am white, and therefore I felt it necessary to explain that what I noticed from TV was not just something that a whinny white guy would whine about, but that it is something that is so distasteful and obviously racist, that I can look past my own skin color and ask those who it really affects, which is the black people as a majority, and to do just that I consulted every black person I knew, and it just happen to be that one of those people is someone I am fucking and is my girlfriend, that does not mean that because she is black that that sets the standard authority on anything. But it is important to display for the record that when EVERY SINGLE black person who is not debating just for debate like you are, but who actually care about what the facts are state to me that in their opinion I am right and when this happens yea hey guess what I am going to mention it for the record. You may think your a better authority who outranks the majority of black people regarding what they themselves agreed with me on, but your education or mentioning of philosophy was bunch of horses shit. Now I am not saying that to be rude but I am telling you that because the people who I have consulted are members of the black panthers, and history teachers themselves, and they have more years of education than when compared to you.
Still my cup tea. I think your level of comprehension needs fine tuning, oh hell at this point it needs a lifetime of tuning just to catch up to me. Better trade in your years of horse shit education for some common sense comprehension.
PS Who are the purple and blue people supposed to be? I know yellow is asian, black is black, white is white, and red is native nomad. But what purple blue?
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Curiousone
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Son...the Jesus H Christ was more for comic relief because I'm confused as to how a 30-year-old could misread what I've written so badly.
You have an issue comprehending what I'm writing...so this is my last comment. It would behoove you to take more than a few days this time...try a week or two. You should calm down, re-read my posts, re-read your posts, think deeply about what I'm saying, and think of this as a friendly conversation (not an argument because I would without question defeat you). Perhaps, being of sober mind might help. Then do a some research.
There are too many people here, who like me, see that you really aren't getting it. I'm not angry. I'm very secure in my knowledge and I can quickly realize when I'm arguing with someone who isn't on the appropriate level. I'm sad that you could be so clueless about what I hoped to help you understand, but can't win them all.
And btw, yes there are times within S&S that can def. be considered racist toward whites. I mention race and TV in America because you can not truly have the conversation you wish to have without being informed about both. Else you risk appearing ignorant. If you don't fear that label, then carry on. Good luck.
You have an issue comprehending what I'm writing...so this is my last comment. It would behoove you to take more than a few days this time...try a week or two. You should calm down, re-read my posts, re-read your posts, think deeply about what I'm saying, and think of this as a friendly conversation (not an argument because I would without question defeat you). Perhaps, being of sober mind might help. Then do a some research.
There are too many people here, who like me, see that you really aren't getting it. I'm not angry. I'm very secure in my knowledge and I can quickly realize when I'm arguing with someone who isn't on the appropriate level. I'm sad that you could be so clueless about what I hoped to help you understand, but can't win them all.
And btw, yes there are times within S&S that can def. be considered racist toward whites. I mention race and TV in America because you can not truly have the conversation you wish to have without being informed about both. Else you risk appearing ignorant. If you don't fear that label, then carry on. Good luck.
Jeremy Driscoll
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Don't you tell me to calm down, you racist with a horse shit education. In case you forgot already you were the one who originally needed and still needs to calm down.
And no I do not have an issue comprehending anything you say, guess what though? You are now officially a PROVEN LIAR. Unless you can prove to me or anyone that I ever stated that I had problem comprehending anything from anyone. Well I guess when you lack any real education that you would feel that you need to get upset and start insulting others by insulting their intelligence of comprehension rather than debate with facts. But then again if I was losing this debate the way you are I might resort to whining like a little bitch and insulting others comprehension instead of debating too.
In response to your next paragraph it is now obvious and double proven that instead of debate you would rather insult someones intelligence by lying about someone and telling them that they do not get something in regards to a debate when they are winning. Please do not lie again. You are caught every time you do it.
See if I start to lose the debate I blame myself, or the horse shit education I got that was useless, but one thing I never do, is try to win the debate by mentioning over and over and over again like a broken record that my opponent does not comprehend or understand anything. Hey look listen kid. I won this round. Get over it. Next time debate like an adult and leave your horse shit mentality of racism at the door, either get it together and use facts for a debate or discussion but do not look like a idiot who's only weapon to save face after losing a debate is to call the other party as someone who can not comprehend what they are debating and winning about.
And in response to your other paragraph about how you finally admit your ignorance and state that S and S is racist after all.
I am happy that a racist horse shit educated man like yourself with a phoney education who is losing this debate and trying to save face by calling me ignorant or uncomprehending or whatever, is able to admit I am right after all, even if your only willing to do it with a temper tantrum, useless facts, illiterate attitude and racist cocky know it all authority to do so.
PS. As a reminder to FC Staff I respect and love all races and members, however there is this thing called karma, and if it is ok to be harsh with words by straight out insulting people like me by calling them a person that can not comprehend the very debate they are winning, then it should be equally ok for the insulted who was told they can not comprehend to comprehend a way to respond just as appropriately, and if that means using words like horse shit, so be it.
And if the horse shit educated loser or anyone has a problem with the words horse shit or what ever, then my advice is not provoking others by insulting them and telling them that they can not comprehend anything. I've never reacted harshly to those who did not start it. My advice is do not start fights, but if you do, then the person you picked on and started a fight with has the right to get you back.
And PS if using Jesus H Christ as a way to win a debate or if saying the word HA after the black samba is a way to win a debate, or if the only way to win a debate is to insult the other party relentlessly by insulting their intelligence by saying they can not comprehend, is the best you can do with your education, then what I said was not to get back at you, it really is true that your education is horse shit. So I say that, not to be mean. You do know that don't you? That your education is nothing more than pure unfiltered HORSE SHIT?
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