Discontinued The Firefly Vaporizer

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rsqemt911

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One of my body screws was loose so I picked up a torx bit to tighten it and decided to open up my pet and do a little exploratory surgery. I noticed my heating coil was a little misshapen and crooked in its channel so I re- bent and formed it to be more uniform of how it fit inside the channel.

OMG!! I have never produce such a big and tasty cloud from a portable ever! It was crazy and I am FADED now.

I also found a lot of ABV dust inside which I blew out. May have to occasionally take it apart and clean it out from now on.
 

fernand

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@ataxian you're welcome.

@havealight101 thanks! so how do you keep the herb in the inverted FF?

My 18mm makes a moveable seal with a little pressure sort of like a spherical joint. I'd be nervous if the male locked into the bowl, but clearly there is room for alternatives; it's an area NASA should research.

Since we don't know what material the coil is made out of it's probably a good idea to do any reshaping very very gently. Glad to hear of your results. In my case it worked out great too. I think this is most of the FIREFLY variation mystery right there.
 
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@ataxian you're welcome.

@havealight101 thanks! so how do you hold the herb in the inverted FF?


Since we don't know what material the coil is made out of it's probably a good idea to do any reshaping very very gently. Glad to hear of your results. In my case it worked out great too. I think this is most of the FIREFLY variation mystery right there.
Herb goes in the adapter, which goes to the bottom of the chamber of the FF.
The inside of the 14 is small and works well for concentrates, but is more of a 1 or 2 hitter for herb.
Best of luck, the screens are hard to get to sit put.
 

fogbank

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With your battery cover on check if you can see that one side has a larger gap between the cover and the track that it slides into, that's how mine was.
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So try this, remove the cover and battery. There are two torq screws holding the black battery housing/side slide channels (for the cover). Loosen them up a little...
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Hope it helps you and others out that may have the same problem.

Thanks for the suggestion. I examined my cover and if there was a larger gap on one side I couldn't see it. I went ahead and removed the screws, lifted the housing slightly, re-seated it firmly, and reinserted the screws (not too tight).

Unfortunately there was no change in how the battery cover stayed in place. I ended up just cutting the adhesive strip off of two Post-It notes and applying them to the underside of the battery cover, near the narrow end (seemed to work best there). It now stays in place during normal use, but will slide off if sufficient pressure is applied.
 
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fernand

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@fogbank Clearly it's meant to slide off easily enough to swap batteries, not so easily that you'd lose it. It's a matter of manufacturing tolerances. If it were mine, I'd use a dab of hot glue to create a little retention nub, or use something to raise the existing lip. But maybe in your case the cover itself has some deformity, and they should just send you a replacement?
 
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twigs

Pay no mind to those voices in my head
First Date Report

My Silver lady arrived yesterday and was fully charged after just 15 minutes. With 97 pages of expectations and anticipation, I tried her out last night. Sorry to say I'm disappointed and worried that I may have received one of the "cool" units. I used a coarse, "finger" grind, held the button in for 5 seconds, slow draw for another 5 or 6, released the button and continued to draw. Nary a cloud to be seen, but possibly a fine wisp. The herbs were not tan in the least, and I was only slightly medicated, using the same herb I have used in my MFLB (which requires only 2 draws to fully medicate).

For tonight, I will try a finer grind and slightly pack the oven to see if the results are better, or at least different.
 

mitchgo61

I go where the thrills are
Things have taken a turn for the weird in FF land at my house. My silver FF had a bizarre combustion episode a week ago....mid-session, doing nothing differently...BAM! uncontrolled combusting. I chalked it up to a fluke. Six days of everything being fine. Last night, BAM, combustion again, multiple times, and the whole unit seems to be running hotter. VERY odd, and now it's difficult to really control the device.

Contacted Shelby at FF and as usual, the great service continues. Since I was considering getting a lid replacement anyway thanks to the gasket issues, she said they will likely just send me a replacement. I will get it out to them tomorrow, because (good news here, hopefully) my new Red FF should be here today. And I simply cannot live without the FF, so once the red is in my hands the Silver goes back. (Guess this is why I ordered a second...very prescient!). Hopefully the silver will be repaired or replaced quickly. It's a very weird thing that it's acting up after 90 days of acting great, but that's why we love the FF service so much.

Finally, here's a nice, balanced review, with a good tip on mitigating the port window/gasket issues buried in the middle somewhere.

http://www.vaporreviewblog.com/will-light-night-firefly-vaporizer-review/
 

Vitolo

Vaporist
First Date Report... I used a coarse, "finger" grind, held the button in for 5 seconds, slow draw for another 5 or 6, released the button and continued to...
5 seconds may have been too short a time..
Let the red hot coil glow at it's max, and inhale for a slow long inhalation...
I go for about 10 seconds before releasing power button, then continue drawing to cool the load and get last vapor.
 

rsqemt911

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5 seconds may have been too short a time..
Let the red hot coil glow at it's max, and inhale for a slow long inhalation...
I go for about 10 seconds before releasing power button, then continue drawing to cool the load and get last vapor.

5 seconds is way too short. I hold mine for a good 10-15 before I even start to inhale and keep holding it a total of 20 or so. I then pump the button to "stoke" the heat on longer draws. I usually do a 2-5 count press once it's heated up to keep it going. But once the device is warmed up I kinda coast.
 

WildChild

Seeking My Shangri-La
One of my body screws was loose so I picked up a torx bit to tighten it and decided to open up my pet and do a little exploratory surgery. I noticed my heating coil was a little misshapen and crooked in its channel so I re- bent and formed it to be more uniform of how it fit inside the channel.

OMG!! I have never produce such a big and tasty cloud from a portable ever! It was crazy and I am FADED now.

I also found a lot of ABV dust inside which I blew out. May have to occasionally take it apart and clean it out from now on.
FF told me I could keep my original FF unit after I received the replacement (couldn't believe it...thanks, Stacey). Sold the replacement, but still have my cooler unit.

I'm going to take the little sucker apart and see whether or not my coil was cluster fucked too. Maybe I can get it to fire up better...not putting any $ on it , though...but I'll try.

They certainly seem to be working pretty well for most of you.

Thanks, @rsqemt911
 

mitchgo61

I go where the thrills are
FedEx just dropped off my red FF. Man, what a beauty. Pix don't do the red device justice. Hopefully will have glowing reviews later today, pun intended. Silver goes back for replacement tomorrow AM.

Looks like they replaced my firefly. I should have the new one by monday. I can't wait its killing me!

What was wrong with yours again?
 
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EveryDayAmnesiac

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I only have to hold my power button 5 seconds before I start my toke. :shrug:

The color of my FF ABV is also quite deceptive. It looks lighter than I think I'd want, but when using the ABV in my Ascent, I find that there's actually very little left, unless you're looking for the hardcore body stuff. And even in that respect, what I get out of the ABV is not very satisfying in any way other than for falling asleep. I get pretty much everything I want from the herb out of the FF, despite the ABV's shade of color.

And I love the "up" sort of feeling that it gives. Even when using my Ascent at 370, I tend to get more of a "sleepy" feeling than I'd like during the day.

Also, some strains that work great in other vapes don't work well at all in the FF.

Anyway, still adoring my sexy beast, even though I think it may be one of the cooler-running units. I prefer it that way.

Just thought I'd check in. :cool:

 
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Just bought my fire fly and combusted in it. How do I take off the plate to clean any resin causing shiety taste.
Can I hook it into a water adapter for my water pipe.
My silicon has darkened as a result of the combustion. Is this okay; does it happen anyway over normal use?
What sweet spots do you use to get 2 or three good tasting clouds.
 
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fernand

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First Date Report
I'm disappointed and worried that I may have received one of the "cool" units. I used a coarse, "finger" grind, held the button in for 5 seconds, slow draw for another 5 or 6, released the button and continued to draw. Nary a cloud to be seen

There are people who are saying that it's STRICTLY a convection unit, so it should levitate on a fart. But the hot air comes from the TOTAL heat below the bowl. On, say, a MFLB you have multiple heat zones across the screen, with different fractions distilling all mixed together. And you can't really control that. You can try to keep it down, at best.

The Firefly is different. It heats up gradually and the hot air is of a much more uniform temperature. But you need to get that deevice warmed up. It's quite a job creating 400 deg heated air on a small battery. Depending on how your coil is positioned inside, that may take more or less time. I use 10 seconds at least with no aspiration. But that's a minimum. It works better if you just plain heat the crap out of it. I've even heated it up with no herb in the bowl, just to give it a hot running start. Works well, I don't care about the ideology. It's simple enough to add a pinch o' herb after half a minute of getting the FF in the spirit of impending events. It's still way faster than an oven type vape. Then restart and draw very slowly after maybe 3 seconds.

It's almost a fractional distillation. The first hit even then is the first, call it under 375 deg F, fraction, you get a light THC, no visible vapor, a delicate scent. I really like that fraction, it's cerebral and subtle. The next one is getting say the whole under 400 deg fraction, and the vapor is more visible. The third will be the around 400 deg fraction, and it's more like that cloud that people expect.

Now you can decide what to leave out. The 400-425 fraction is heavier on CBC and some remaining terpenes, and has a more stony effect. Above that the ABV is getting quite dark, and the vapor starts resembling smoke, even before it combusts at 451, remember Ray Bradbury's novel Farenheit 451, the temp at which paper combusts. I'd rather stop before it gets dark brown, I don't find much of interest there.

@biojuggernaut, the FF uses all TORX type screws. Get a little Chinese set of bits, say thank you Chairman Mao. The bowl can be cleaned with alcohol after you get it apart.

If someone has a relatively hotter unit, you can work it faster, no need to give it as much time, but the sequence will be similar. It still comes down to timing, but unlike a MFLB you're not holding the reins on runaway horses, you're letting them go from trot to gallop. If you're into forest fire at 10 seconds, something is atypical, like they cut the coil wire too short, I'd exchange it.

For waterpipe linkage you can apparently insert a small 14 mm male far into the bowl.


I have an 18mm male that just abuts against the bowl. Now, how to hold the stuff inside. With a "liquid pad" of some sort (brass wool-fine makes a lovely nest), concentrate vaping is simple. For herb, maybe a screen. Maybe something like a Solo head. It's an exciting area of research, share your results!
 
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Raskin666

Doom Walrus
Things have taken a turn for the weird in FF land at my house. My silver FF had a bizarre combustion episode a week ago....mid-session, doing nothing differently...BAM! uncontrolled combusting. I chalked it up to a fluke. Six days of everything being fine. Last night, BAM, combustion again, multiple times, and the whole unit seems to be running hotter. VERY odd, and now it's difficult to really control the device.

Contacted Shelby at FF and as usual, the great service continues. Since I was considering getting a lid replacement anyway thanks to the gasket issues, she said they will likely just send me a replacement. I will get it out to them tomorrow, because (good news here, hopefully) my new Red FF should be here today. And I simply cannot live without the FF, so once the red is in my hands the Silver goes back. (Guess this is why I ordered a second...very prescient!). Hopefully the silver will be repaired or replaced quickly. It's a very weird thing that it's acting up after 90 days of acting great, but that's why we love the FF service so much.

Finally, here's a nice, balanced review, with a good tip on mitigating the port window/gasket issues buried in the middle somewhere.

http://www.vaporreviewblog.com/will-light-night-firefly-vaporizer-review/
You find ash in the bowl during these combustion events? Or just charring of the material? Can you describe the combustion?
 
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Vitolo

Vaporist
Hi all,

I was wondering if the FF was a vape that you could 'hit' every 20 mins or so, rather than being confined to vaping all of the product in one session?
I am going to say yes.
I use it like that.
I do a hit or two in the FF, to morning rolling.
I use other vapes from there on out, and when my wife leaves for work, as I work (a few hours later) I grab another hit or two.
When I tidy house for wife's return home, I clean my tools from the day as well... and I finish up a few more hits from my A.M. wake and Vake FF load.
 

mitchgo61

I go where the thrills are
You find ash in the bowl during these combustion events? Or just charring of the material? Can you describe the combustion?

Identical to what I experienced with my first FF, although that one was wonky from Day One: basically, in mid-hit, WHOOM! fire. Mouth fills with smoke, FF fills with smoke, room smells like smoke. Take off the lid, and smoke pours out of the sides. A good third of the material blackened. Room smells like smoke for an hour. That kind of combustion!

Not the "overheated hit", bits of charred-black kind of thing. That's not what I consider combustion...that might be some teeny bit of burning, but I'm talking like suddenly your vape is a pipe that someone took a really big lighter to.

Again the thing was fine for three months, till a week ago. No idea what got into it.

Hi all,

I was wondering if the FF was a vape that you could 'hit' every 20 mins or so, rather than being confined to vaping all of the product in one session?

Absolutely. It's ideal for this kind of use.
 
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fogbank

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I used a coarse, "finger" grind, held the button in for 5 seconds, slow draw for another 5 or 6, released the button and continued to draw. Nary a cloud to be seen, but possibly a fine wisp.

Everyone's technique is a little different it seems :)

On my first hit I hold for 8 seconds before drawing, draw for 16 seconds, then release the button.
On subsequent hits I hold for 5 seconds before drawing, draw for 8 seconds, then release the button.
Towards the end of the bowl I increase the button press time while drawing to get the last bits extracted.

It's great to listen to me and others tell you how we do it, but if this thread has taught us anything it is that each user has to find his or her own "stride" with the Firefly.

Your "first date" experience sounds remarkably similar to mine. Other folks in this thread advised me to stick with it, and it payed off in the end.

And I will reiterate, I seem to get almost ALL of the vapor production AFTER releasing the button. If you're not feeling the vapor when drawing during the button-press phase, continue drawing slowly after you release the button. For me the vapor actually goes from cool to hot and then to cool again after I release the button.

I also agree with the other posters regarding the color of the ABV from the Firefly. It is lighter than what comes out of my conduction vapes, but it seems to be fully depleted.
 

fernand

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I wonder if you notice a difference in the effects, between the early and the later hits.

It's not exactly like precise fractional distillation in the lab, and you mix/stir so the bottom center material doesn't get all the loving heat. But here's the chart of vaporization temps for the major compounds, the Cs are cannabinoids, the Ts are Terpenes, and the Fs are Flavonoids, the numbers (like C2) are arbitrary. By the time you hit 350 degrees Farenheit, even Myrcene, that's considered a big factor in couch-lock, has been vaporized. You'd expect the morning hit to be up, and the leftovers to be "other". The Firefly, with that gradual temp rise, allows us to be a bit selective.

Pushing it (above 400 degrees?) still delivers something, and it's not entirely obvious how. Either the temps the vaporizers deliver are actually lower than we think, or there's a complex interaction in the distillation, like formation of azeotropes that vaporize better or worse together. There's probably a whole body of knowledge from humans distilling essential oils over the centuries. Not to speak of distilling ancient ferns and dinosaur carcasses to make petrochemicals. And it's a cool chart to study. Maybe that two by four to the head effect is due to ... hey, Borneol sounds king-kongish ;-)

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Raskin666

Doom Walrus
Identical to what I experienced with my first FF, although that one was wonky from Day One: basically, in mid-hit, WHOOM! fire. Mouth fills with smoke, FF fills with smoke, room smells like smoke. Take off the lid, and smoke pours out of the sides. A good third of the material blackened. Room smells like smoke for an hour. That kind of combustion!

Not the "overheated hit", bits of charred black kind of thing. That's not what I consider combustion...that might be some teeny bit of burning, but I talking like suddenly your vape is a pipe that someone took a really big lighter to.

Again the thing was fine for three months, till a week ago. No idea what got into it.
Oh wow. Yeah I have never experienced that.
 
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fernand

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Sounds like a component failure. There's gotta be like a transistor that gates the current to the coil. They can fail in the "ON" state. Just statistics. Too bad it had to be yours. If you don't have another, I'd ask for a "drop-ship" to gain a day or two. They should trust their customers a little, we're a peaceful and ethical bunch.
 
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