Vapman

[MTBerVAPEer]

Bummer. Order yourself a few of these guys, great lighters, good price, fast shipping. I'm not sure which was made to go with the other, but IMO they and Vapman belong together:
http://dx.com/p/jet-1300-c-butane-lighter-1320

OF I swear you are just that internet guru with that answer that is helpful. i want that lighter so i can actually watch the butane filling process as well as it is the same as the stock vapman torch.

one question for you since i know you have the pure i believe? or anyone who can answer. so the mouth piece the side with the SS screen bolted to it this gets hot and has charred the wood does the charred pear wood really act as heat proctection after it has fully charred i guess? its not really a bad thing i just didnt think of this much before i bought the vapman it isnt an issue though. i figured the mica version wouldnt have that problem.. i still adore my vapman im going to go bike and use it now..

 

[OF]

OF I swear you are just that internet guru with that answer that is helpful.
so the mouth piece the side with the SS screen bolted to it this gets hot and has charred the wood does the charred pear wood really act as heat proctection after it has fully charred i guess? its not really a bad thing

Yeah, useless details are some of the many things I'm full of......or so I've been told a time or two.

Quite normal, I was looking at mine the other day in fact and noticed how clever they were with the pins and screws so it stays tight even though the wood is shrinking back at the tip. Very tick tock folks, funny cars.

You do know the economy model lacks the mica so the main body chars back the same way. It's self limiting after a bit, the rate slows to a very slow rate.

Not to worry, continue to enjoy it, would be my advice.

OF

 

[MTBerVAPEer]

made another video to show this actualy gives off clouds and proper usage of this puppy ive used it for 6 days now. the first couple days I was getting three hits before burning it or damn near burning.

two days ago on my night ride I stopped at a golf course to vape in the grass during then I devopled this new technique that I do in this video to make it as simple as possible. short direct heats after each drag of at least 5 seconds. and the bowl will easily last up to 10 good draws. heres my second little clip only about half the video is of what you want to see.

 

[Maczilla]

OF I swear you are just that internet guru with that answer that is helpful. i want that lighter so i can actually watch the butane filling process as well as it is the same as the stock vapman torch.

one question for you since i know you have the pure i believe? or anyone who can answer. so the mouth piece the side with the SS screen bolted to it this gets hot and has charred the wood does the charred pear wood really act as heat proctection after it has fully charred i guess? its not really a bad thing i just didnt think of this much before i bought the vapman it isnt an issue though. i figured the mica version wouldnt have that problem.. i still adore my vapman im going to go bike and use it now..

This is my gripe, the stempiece that you take off to load the bowl, the metal / wood on top of the bowl will burn, and it will give off smoke, and guess what, you're inhaling that. It seems like a design flaw, I wish that piece could be out of glass totally or something, im not even sure of the answer. So as much as I like the vapman, im gonna have to give it a bunch of marks down because of this. I do regret not getting an arizer solo.

Does anyone know how healthy it is to inhale that pear wood and stainless steel bit? Its not vapour :'(

 

[MTBerVAPEer]

This is my gripe, the stempiece that you take off to load the bowl, the metal / wood on top of the bowl will burn, and it will give off smoke, and guess what, you're inhaling that. It seems like a design flaw, I wish that piece could be out of glass totally or something, im not even sure of the answer. So as much as I like the vapman, im gonna have to give it a bunch of marks down because of this. I do regret not getting an arizer solo.

Does anyone know how healthy it is to inhale that pear wood and stainless steel bit? Its not vapour :'(

this happend to me to its fine it is only for the first couple of uses you could just heat it and char the wood yourself to speed that process up.. it really isnt a big deal. and you arent getting SS bits stainless steel is prime for this. and as for the pear wood. have you ever inhaled campfire smoke and died?

 

[Maczilla]

have you ever inhaled campfire smoke and died?

I think you're missing the point, some people get this device for health reasons, so I cannot really recommend this vape to anyone seeking optimized health, I would highly suggest the arizer solo. Inhaling wood was not on the brochure; just my 2 cents.

 

[eLiguL]

Did anyone else notice the image for this thread is actually a Silver Surfer?

Edit: I see now its the avatar of the first person who posted and not of the actual vape.

 

[MTBerVAPEer]

I think you're missing the point, some people get this device for health reasons, so I cannot really recommend this vape to anyone seeking optimized health, I would highly suggest the arizer solo. Inhaling wood was not on the brochure; just my 2 cents.

Its Just like heating the solo first use to sterilize it. Like I said you can char the wood yourself to prevent it from smoking. I had the same issue if you read above. the charred wood will act as heat protection and not burn after the fact.

 

[OF]

I think you're missing the point, some people get this device for health reasons, so I cannot really recommend this vape to anyone seeking optimized health, I would highly suggest the arizer solo. Inhaling wood was not on the brochure; just my 2 cents.

Indeed. If you're not comfortable then by all means don't do it. Recommend away, I hope consumers will question you as to what it is that concerns you (hint, it'll have to be the pear wood charring, stainless steel is quite safe at these temperatures, which is why it's used for cookware).

To be honest, I'd be more concerned with the Solo (not that I am), after all that one is known to out gas 'funny smells' (something Vapman doesn't?). There's all sorts of 'unknown plastics, cements, insulation and so on' in there with that 'all glass vapor path'.

Here in California we habitually BBQ most everything we can. Most of us have no concerns about it, really. Either being downwind or eating the yummy food. Maybe that's a factor too?

OF

 

[philmcneal]

I am, it's bogus. It works because there's a large (huge relative to the load) copper block you heat up that transfers the heat (conduction).

It holds a very small amount. It does an excellent job on complete extraction and all, but there's just not much to work with. It's intended for more casual users. The lighter technique forces you into a slow pace.....not a good vape for cloud chasers.

While the mica version is nice, you can get the unfinished version (which still does a great job) for half the bucks from the factory (like I did). Shipping is modest, it got here fast in a fun little Swiss cardboard box. They also sell some really fun exotic wood stems for attractive prices.

OF

https://shop.vapman.com/products_new.php?language=en

wow you mean the $20 version? holy crap how cheap can you get?

 

[OF]

https://shop.vapman.com/products_new.php?language=en

wow you mean the $20 version? holy crap how cheap can you get?

Yup, about half price. You can use them 'raw' or wipe them down with (boiled) Linseed oil like the factory does. The entire unit is half price that way as well and IMO does a great job still. While an excellent unit for the job, I wouldn't buy their lighters. Rather than $15 for the second from the bottom I'd get it here for three:
http://dx.com/p/jet-1300-c-butane-lighter-1320

OF

 

[Tweek]

Indeed. If you're not comfortable then by all means don't do it. Recommend away, I hope consumers will question you as to what it is that concerns you (hint, it'll have to be the pear wood charring, stainless steel is quite safe at these temperatures, which is why it's used for cookware).

To be honest, I'd be more concerned with the Solo (not that I am), after all that one is known to out gas 'funny smells' (something Vapman doesn't?). There's all sorts of 'unknown plastics, cements, insulation and so on' in there with that 'all glass vapor path'.

Here in California we habitually BBQ most everything we can. Most of us have no concerns about it, really. Either being downwind or eating the yummy food. Maybe that's a factor too?

OF

I make a point of getting a face full of smoke when I light my charcoal grill. Ladies love the scent.

 

[OF]

I make a point of getting a face full of smoke when I light my charcoal grill. Ladies love the scent.

I know that one! When I got older I realized it might be that they preferred 'an old campfire' to the way I smelled otherwise.......

Women are pretty smart is seems.

OF

 

[philmcneal]

Yup, about half price. You can use them 'raw' or wipe them down with (boiled) Linseed oil like the factory does. The entire unit is half price that way as well and IMO does a great job still. While an excellent unit for the job, I wouldn't buy their lighters. Rather than $15 for the second from the bottom I'd get it here for three:
http://dx.com/p/jet-1300-c-butane-lighter-1320

OF

haha that's more than half price! more like 1/4 of the price! i think i will pick up the 25 dollar version I just need a cheap vape to hold me by! WOW and to believe these puppies will perform better than the vaporgenie gets me all excited! I'm too broke for luxury vapes at the moment

 

[OF]

haha that's more than half price! more like 1/4 of the price! i think i will pick up the 25 dollar version I just need a cheap vape to hold me by! WOW and to believe these puppies will perform better than the vaporgenie gets me all excited! I'm too broke for luxury vapes at the moment

Be sure you're buying the whole vape, not just the mouthpiece or top section......

OF

 

[MTBerVAPEer]

speaking of new purchases the vapman torch just unbranded I picked up 2 off of ebay freeshipping for 3.98usd$ and I got a clear and purple works excellent both came prefilled with huge tanks! and a small micro jet flame so efficient. I like it more than the free 40$ zeus one you get from Toronto V.

although I do notice the zeus torch does have a noticeably lighter blue flame compared to the new clear one and an old generic head shop torch lighter which both have 7x besides the new prefilled one which im unsure of. I was thinking it was due to maybe the different butane release holes inside.. maybe?

 

[MTBerVAPEer]

haha that's more than half price! more like 1/4 of the price! i think i will pick up the 25 dollar version I just need a cheap vape to hold me by! WOW and to believe these puppies will perform better than the vaporgenie gets me all excited! I'm too broke for luxury vapes at the moment

you should really read the fine print. and I really don't recommend getting a cheap vape on impulse. nor can you get a vapman for 20$ and last but not least the vapman website you posted the link for their websites currency is not displayed in USD$

 

[Maczilla]

You guys should consider getting a new stem mouthpiece, as posted earlier in the thread the MFLB ones fit right in, I know the glass one works a lot better than the stock plastic one, you can really see the resin build up even at the top of the glass. The drawback is that it doesnt fit inside the case though.

 

[Lak666]

Between waiting for the ascent and being disappointed by black leaf's vape lifter, I decided to pull the trigger on the vapman mica instead of buying a mflb again ( which I gave as a present to a friend of mine months ago) not because I didn't like, just a matter of trying something new. I live in Germany and could have easily ordered from the official website, but decided to shop at verdampftnochmal so i could get a grinder with the shipment. It arrived today after one day of my purchase.

Lovely piece of art I must say. The little details and the perfectly handcrafted assembly of the hardware are something im gonna stare at for hours while using it, truly beautiful. I got a boxwood mouth piece as well, which is nice, but it's a shame it doesn't have the same color and finish as the vape itself. Will use it for the first time tomorrow after work, could not be more excited about it. I've noticed a couple of things that I wanted to double check with you here in the community:

1) the screen is screwed to the mouthpiece, but it's not perfectly attached: I can still move it a little bit, nothing that a tiny screwdriver wouldn't fix, but you know, I was expecting perfection as everyone was claiming, since it is indeed a swiss product. Maybe im just too meticulous.

2) examining the mica surface, I noticed something that looked like plastic folds, as if the mica cover was a very thin layer glued to the wooden body. I assume it's not the case since there are 10 screws holding these pieces together, but it made me wonder about the thickness of the layer. Does anyone know?

3) after heating the pan without any flowers loaded, I noticed a strong smell, probably coming from the heated mica. Something similar to what I can only describe as " very hot electronic components" smell. Im sure I won't be getting any weird did in my lungs because of the materials used and the design of the pan, but don't like that smell at all to be honest. Have you experienced something like this? Does it go away with time and usage? Is it only because it's brand new? Do you smell anything while heating when loaded with flowers?

4) I saw some cracks in the mica surface as well when I heated it: I guess this is just the way the material reacts to such intense temperatures ( direct contact with jet flame) and could actually listen to a crackling sound. Is it because it's new?

5) somehow I have the feeling that the mica is covered by some plastic layer that is melting while I'm hearing the vapman, and I don't know if I forgot to take it away or if im just being over cautious. Anyone else had that impression?

Well, those are my initial thoughts/ questions on the vapman. It truly lives to the hype that it has received, at least on the looks department. I will come back with another long post like this one and share my thoughts after my first session tomorrow. If after some usage and experiences with it im not convinced, I can always send it back for a full refund and use the money to get a mflb again: one of the several advantages of living in Germany

One last question would be: which one do you think it's better to have in your pocket while attending to concerts? This bad boy or a mflb? The latter fits more comfortably in the pocket than the former, and im talking about grindcore, progressive death metal moshpits here, so durability and ruggedness are key. That's one of the reasons why I stopped considering the ascent: I may still get it in the future, but I definitely need something to pogo with!

Thanks in advance, hope this starts an interesting discussion.

 

[MTBerVAPEer]

1) the screen is screwed to the mouthpiece, but it's not perfectly attached: I can still move it a little bit, nothing that a tiny screwdriver wouldn't fix, but you know, I was expecting perfection as everyone was claiming, since it is indeed a swiss product. Maybe im just too meticulous.

this is because the wood is going to expand and contract and the screen cannot be perfect on wood. I wondered the same thing when I got mine.

2) examining the mica surface, I noticed something that looked like plastic folds, as if the mica cover was a very thin layer glued to the wooden body. I assume it's not the case since there are 10 screws holding these pieces together, but it made me wonder about the thickness of the layer. Does anyone know?

I don't know the thickness of the the mica but it is sanded down and polished for quality and appeal. theres no glue.

3) after heating the pan without any flowers loaded, I noticed a strong smell, probably coming from the heated mica. Something similar to what I can only describe as " very hot electronic components" smell. Im sure I won't be getting any weird did in my lungs because of the materials used and the design of the pan, but don't like that smell at all to be honest. Have you experienced something like this? Does it go away with time and usage? Is it only because it's brand new? Do you smell anything while heating when loaded with flowers?

if anything it is just the preservatives in the metal you are burning off from the manufacturing process. it shouldn't happen anymore, mine did that once. you should never over heat the pan. it will go away over time. you shouldn't smell anything when heating flower unless you are burning it and smoke will find its way out.

4) I saw some cracks in the mica surface as well when I heated it: I guess this is just the way the material reacts to such intense temperatures ( direct contact with jet flame) and could actually listen to a crackling sound. Is it because it's new?

I wouldn't know about heating the mica I would advise you not to do that its heat protection shielding not jet flame resistant material. use a very small torch lighter flame.

5) somehow I have the feeling that the mica is covered by some plastic layer that is melting while I'm hearing the vapman, and I don't know if I forgot to take it away or if im just being over cautious. Anyone else had that impression?

I am sure the only plastic is the mouthpiece. hopefully you pre sterilized your unit

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[OF]

Good choice, IMO. In no particular order, I think the MFLB is more stealthy since it doesn't involve fire (which is kind of showy and not all that silent), I'd leave the Vapman home when going to a concert.

Mica is a traditional insulator in high heat uses. This is why is smells familiar to you, you've smelled it in toasters, hair dryers and other such things your whole life (as have your parents.....). It's a natural mineral laid up in very thin sheets. In the raw, water carries junk into the structure, this adds strange smells when new sometimes, not to worry.

In processing it's steamed IIRC to make it flexible. In this case a crecent shaped piece (a sector of a ring in fact) is formed over a cone and clamped in place to cool. It's then trimmed where it meets and that junction if forced into a slot in the pear wood body. Look carefully around the mouth of the unit (where the fire goes in) and you'll see the slot in the rim (near the Logo on mine). The mica sheet thickness is half the width of that slot. In use some (hopefully few) layers will flake off (the reason for so many screws), not to worry. I've worked on furnaces with mica 'fire windows' in the burner assembly over 50 years old. IMO a great material choice.

I agree, it's a neat little vape. Reminds me of a 'steampunk' lunar lander model. The very thing you'd expect the Swiss to make.....

Have you seen the video of them making them?

OF

 

[u bwade wunner]

well thanks to everyone on this thread I ve decided to get one of these.I don t often jump on vapes but I can see where the vapman will help in my lineup

I get into the great outdoors as often as possible these days to experience the good stuff and what i have been using out and about,the iolite and the mflb wasn t working so good for a quick hit on the go.
anyone who owns the iolite will tell you that it excels for a good session in the outdoors.I just found it a hassle for a quick stop and go hit.I found it cooks your herb in the enclosed chamber between hits so it wasnt working out to be very efficient,plus the couple of cycles after shut down have had me explain myself a few times when others have dropped by unexpectedly.
l also have a couple of launch boxes which i love at home or in the car as a passenger with the PA .the nimh batteries on the other hand let the mflb down imo.I never seem to have one battery charged when i want to go out with it .quite forgetful im afraid when it comes to batteries,so i actually had two batteries permanently on trickle charge these past few weeks in the stock charger and when I took them out of the charger to take on a hike they were both dead as a dodo.maybe they got cooked in the charger over time who knows.
dont get me wrong i love my iolite and mflbs a lot.I think this little guy the vapman will fill a gap for me.Other options in my lineup were the coil and the gnome.the vg coil ,hmm metal in your mouth never really grew on me and the gnome is just a little fragile to take out and about.
I hope this helps someone out there on deciding .the reviews from toronto vapes were a help as well for me.I am actually excited to try this thing out.
I almost almost bought a little glass sherlock smoke pipe today on etsy so I could just get blazed easily on the trail. I m glad I found this thread again and put my one fear about the vapman, butane in the airpath to rest.Fuck Combustion

 

[Lak666]

Thanks to MTBerVAPEer and OF for addressing my questions.

Well, friday night i got to use the Vapman, and my first reaction was "Wow, the flavor is amazing!" and just handling and using the device is pretty cool. A piece of art and engineering.
The weird smell went away, and the expected flower smell was either very, very light or just non existant: very efficient and stealty vapor-wise.
However, having a bulk in your pocket can be counter-productive when you are in the middle of a pogo, as i realized when jumping and moshing at Jello Biafra's gig on friday.

Another problem you might jump in: if your Jet Lighter decides to stop working, as mine did after the concert and last night at a friend's party, you will be the guy with the amazing vaporizer on the pocket that just can't be used at all. We ended up buying rolling papers at a gas station and rolling a couple of joints, which fails at the whole "fuck combustion" purpose.

The size of the pan is very, very tiny: this is great if you are vaporizing on the go by yourself and have enough flowers in the backpack to replace the used ones, which won't happen that often if you know how to use this buddy because of the amazing efficiency it delivers. If you are sharing with friends, things change a lot: constantly heating the pan for others without lots of experience on how to properly do it will not give you perfect results, and becomes frustrating if you have a shitty lighter: I made the mistake of buying this piece of crap because of its size and shape, thinking what would fit in the pocket with the vapman perfectly, but its quality sucked big time.

Some other thoughts: even though the Vapman itself seconds on build quality to none, the egg-shaped cover feels very cheap, specially because of the resulting contrast of plastic protecting mica, gold, steel and wood. It's a psychological thing, but kinda turned me off.

Bottom line: The strong dependency on Jet Lighters, the diminute size of the pan, the fact that it is not designed for sharing with friends and the bulkyness of the package in your pocket made me decide to return it. I'm now considering getting a MFLB with the power adapter: somehow i kept thinking that i rather rely on batteries than on lighters: never had an issue with the box when i had it, and if you discover that you didn't charge your batteries last night, at least it's your own fault.

Other problems i can think of: You can burn yourself. The mica will start flaking off with time and when cleaning.

Two things i learned with the Vapman: 1) Stealthyness is really important for me and 2) Dependency on fire does not help increase it.

Don't take me wrong, i think it's a wondeful vaporizer, but i much rather stay away from fire and charge batteries before i leave home. If you like handcrafted goods with excellent quality and either like or have no issues with lighters, then this vaporizer might be the one for you, but for me, i can hear the call of the launchbox, and it has never been so loud.

 

[OF]

Excellent points. Like many excellent tools in their element, they can fail to do things they're not intended to do. It (or IMO any other vape) will not 'be all things to all people'.

I also agree some lighters are not dependable. Some are. The lighter is, however, mission critical gear. If aborting out of your intentions to use it is not acceptable, you should carry redundant (backup) lighters until you find one that you can trust. I've had great success with these, and at 3 bucks each it's cheap enough to carry a second if you don't trust the first:
http://dx.com/p/jet-1300-c-butane-lighter-1320

Handy little guys. I've probably got 4 or 5 spread around, thus far none have done anything more disappointing than run out of gas. A couple of them (the one stashed with Vapman and the one on the desk) have done a scary number of lights and are still going strong.

OF

 

[Maczilla]

Excellent points. Like many excellent tools in their element,

I've had great success with these, and at 3 bucks each it's cheap enough to carry a second if you don't trust the first:
http://dx.com/p/jet-1300-c-butane-lighter-1320

Handy little guys. I've probably got 4 or 5 spread around, thus far none have done anything more disappointing than run out of gas. A couple of them (the one stashed with Vapman and the one on the desk) have done a scary number of lights and are still going strong.

OF

Lol, I ordered 2 of these, and they both came in broken, not able to fill with gas. Just my luck I guess.