The Magic-Flight Box

[b0]

yes it is a disadvantage, cause i can't buy peeled batteries in every super market... but well i won't argue with you guys. i know that the magig flight fans are like apple fans i mean every android phone is a iphone rip off, but these devices aren't worse because of this

Lol, sorry for the offtopic guys, but just wanted him to know that I'm an android user/developer lmao

As I said before, enjoy your dragon, you have your right to enjoy what you want

 

[kingofnull]

ok ok, just for the record i don't work for them... just my honest opinion, but speaking your mind doesn't seem to be welcome here. i got it now

Speaking your mind is perfectly acceptable in the correct thread.

I think you've already said your piece about the Dragon Lite in this thread.

 

[ShipDit]

yes it is a disadvantage, cause i can't buy peeled batteries in every super market... but well i won't argue with you guys. i know that the magig flight fans are like apple fans i mean every android phone is a iphone rip off, but these devices aren't worse because of this

This is just getting funny now. I'd like to comment further,but wolves don't communicate with sheep.
(Just to be clear, the MFLB is the wolf,and the Dragon? Baa...baa).

 

[mrweed]

ok, one last comment, so you won't get me wrong: i really don't like them both and barely use them cause they suck. i need excat controllable temperature for the best vaping pleasure, but still i think for 30€ it's okay, but it's just not worth the 100€, if you ask me. so i prefer the dl

 

[kingofnull]

Agreed. But you can't find suitable batteries in any supermarket I know of, and very very few 'brick and mortar stores' for that matter. MFLB, to work correctly, needs quite special batteries not 'any old supermarket battery'......but then you'd know that wouldn't you from you experience with one.....if that really happened?

OF

I have to disagree with you here, OF.

Energizer sells a 2300 mAh NiMH that'll work with the LB in pretty much every drug, convenience, and grocery store. At least in my neck of the woods.

 

[mrweed]

maybe we have different batteries in europe, don't know but yes you can get 2000+mah batteries just everywhere. that's no problem for real

 

[pakalolo]

ok ok, just for the record i don't work for them... just my honest opinion, but speaking your mind doesn't seem to be welcome here. i got it now

Speaking your mind is perfectly welcome here. What is not welcome is implying that somehow you aren't allowed to. You spoke your mind several times—in the wrong thread. Did you really expect to be welcomed with open arms in the most popular thread we have when you keep posting that a blatant ripoff is actually better?

Your posts are trolling. Whether you intended that or not is irrelevant. The next post along these lines will get you a warning point.

Everyone else: Do not feed the trolls!

 

[OF]

I have to disagree with you here, OF.

Energizer sells a 2300 mAh NiMH that'll work with the LB in pretty much every drug, convenience, and grocery store. At least in my neck of the woods.

I've tried them, actually, some time back on a whim. I'm using two of them in a flashlight somewhere around here. Not only aren't they available in most of the places I go (maybe I don't get out enough?) but I found they did not perform as well (which is why I didn't peel the rest). And surely they don't meet the original 'you can use (any) battery from the local market'. This thing is either magic or doesn't perform at the same level as MFLB. Or perhaps........

It's not adding up to me. Guys are welcome to their opinion, but to me without something to back it up it's not a reliable guide?

Thanks.

OF

 

[mrweed]

come on with "here" i ment this thread obviously^^ and actually it pisses me off to be called a troll, cause that really(!) implies for me not being welcome.
but feel free to delete my posts here and copy them in the right thread if you like to

 

[ShipDit]

Baa...baa...
Wait a second,there's an "ignore button".
*Click*
No more sheep.

 

[pakalolo]

Agreed. But you can't find suitable batteries in any supermarket I know of, and very very few 'brick and mortar stores' for that matter. MFLB, to work correctly, needs quite special batteries not 'any old supermarket battery'......but then you'd know that wouldn't you from you experience with one.....if that really happened?

I have to disagree with you here, OF.

Energizer sells a 2300 mAh NiMH that'll work with the LB in pretty much every drug, convenience, and grocery store. At least in my neck of the woods.

OF, I'm not sure how you reached that conclusion. It's true that the batteries most of us prefer are not that common, but there are suitable Energizer, Duracell, Sanyo, and President's Choice batteries all available at the local Loblaw's (grocery store). I can find Powerex Imedions (used to be the stock battery) and 2700s at all the local computer shops as well.

I'm pretty sure you can get the Energizers and Duracells at almost any local grocery store, and probably the Sanyos as well.

Edit: I've tried all but the Duracells. Powerex are the best but all of the ones I tried were usable.

 

[OF]

OF, I'm not sure how you reached that conclusion. It's true that the batteries most of us prefer are not that common, but there are suitable Energizer, Duracell, Sanyo, and President's Choice batteries all available at the local Loblaw's (grocery store). I can find Powerex Imedions (used to be the stock battery) and 2700s at all the local computer shops as well.

I'm pretty sure you can get the Energizers and Duracells at almost any local grocery store, and probably the Sanyos as well.

Like I just said (and think I did at the time?), I tried several locally available batteries and found them all lacking in one way or another (usually not as fast or hot) which led to ordering more 'factory' ones and using the usually recommended types. I reached that conclusion by experiment. IMO many types are superior to others, but only a very few perform at top levels.

For sure randomly selected ones from anywhere don't cut it....except by random chance?

OF

 

[ShipDit]

That's why I always stick with the factory batteries. The Powerexx batteries have also always worked well for me.
Guess that makes the first sentence a total lie...sorry 'bout that.

 

[pakalolo]

Like I just said (and think I did at the time?), I tried several locally available batteries and found them all lacking in one way or another (usually not as fast or hot) which led to ordering more 'factory' ones and using the usually recommended types. I reached that conclusion by experiment. IMO many types are superior to others, but only a very few perform at top levels.

For sure randomly selected ones from anywhere don't cut it....except by random chance?

OF

I agree that Powerex batteries are best for the LB, leaving aside the new Magic-Flight battery. I didn't find any of the others to be unusable, just not quite as good. Some brands don't fit snugly but they still worked. I seem to recall that the Sanyos and PC batteries didn't fit well (PC batteries are rebranded Sanyos I think).

It's a bit of a stretch in my mind to go from "performs at top levels" to "can't find suitable batteries". To me all of them were suitable, just some performed better. If your definition of "suitable" actually means "must perform at top level" then I guess I concede your point—although I disagree with your understanding of "suitable" in that case.

 

[OF]

It's a bit of a stretch in my mind to go from "performs at top levels" to "can't find suitable batteries". To me all of them were suitable, just some performed better. If your definition of "suitable" actually means "must perform at top level" then I guess I concede your point—although I disagree with your understanding of "suitable" in that case.

That I think is it. IMO a battery that doesn't allow the device to perform to specifications is not suitable.

Put another way, I bought batteries with the intent of using them in my MFLBs and ended up replacing them.....because I found them unsuitable.

There are lots and lots of posts on this thread about guys trying random batteries and having problems. What advice is offered?

OF

Edit: This is not confined to MFLB of course. We have similar issues with D9 and TV products as well. Lots of other batteries (some 'better' by mAh rating) are disappointing. FV fits in there too, I think? OF

 

[pakalolo]

That I think is it. IMO a battery that doesn't allow the device to perform to specifications is not suitable.

Put another way, I bought batteries with the intent of using them in my MFLBs and ended up replacing them.....because I found them unsuitable.

There are lots and lots of posts on this thread about guys trying random batteries and having problems. What advice is offered?

OF

Edit: This is not confined to MFLB of course. We have similar issues with D9 and TV products as well. Lots of other batteries (some 'better' by mAh rating) are disappointing. FV fits in there too, I think? OF

Well NiMH and Li-ion are apples and oranges. I know you know enough about batteries to understand that the mAh rating for Li-ion batteries is not enough to determine their suitability for vapourizer use, internal resistance is a major factor.

There's a lot less room for variation with the NiMH chemistry that the LB uses. My experience was that the Sanyo Eneloops worked just as well as the Imedions, for example. They were the stock batteries for the LB until Magic-Flight had supply problems after Panasonic acquired Sanyo.

 

[morninglight]

Way too many off topic posts last couple pages.. anyways..

Just wanted to comment that I tried the 40-50% range and had a successful time with my MFLB last night. I do let it warm up for 5-10 seconds before I begin the 'micro hits'. Thanks to those who reported what settings they used on their PAs. I do have one question though. If you shake your MFLB (bought mine nov/dec 2011) do some particles or ground matter filter up above the trench area onto the top of the wooden area behind the trench? Mine always seems to if I shake it too roughly.


Someone commented about the whip... think it's about time for me to pony up and purchase it from PIU!!

 

[OF]

Well NiMH and Li-ion are apples and oranges. I know you know enough about batteries to understand that the mAh rating for Li-ion batteries is not enough to determine their suitability for vapourizer use, internal resistance is a major factor.

Actually internal resistance is a key factor with MFLB as well. The current loads are huge (like 15 Amps) which causes even good batteries to 'sag' way way down. .75 Volts being typical, 40% being 'lost' to IR causing heating where we don't want it (in the battery) rather than where we do (the trench).

Lesser batteries, the ones that don't get hot enough, are not failing because of capacity but internal resistance. The 'open circuit' (AKA Thvenin Voltage) is the same in all cases (due to chemistry) but the internal resistance and capacity vary due to construction. That's where the rub is. IR keeps them from performing to snuff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thévenin's_theorem

OF

 

[ShipDit]

Way too many off topic posts last couple pages.. anyways..

Just wanted to comment that I tried the 40-50% range and had a successful time with my MFLB last night. I do let it warm up for 5-10 seconds before I begin the 'micro hits'. Thanks to those who reported what settings they used on their PAs. I do have one question though. If you shake your MFLB (bought mine nov/dec 2011) do some particles or ground matter filter up above the trench area onto the top of the wooden area behind the trench? Mine always seems to if I shake it too roughly.



Someone commented about the whip... think it's about time for me to pony up and purchase it from PIU!!

Same thing happens to me when I really shake it hard,but the amount is minuscule IMHO.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

I do have one question though. If you shake your MFLB (bought mine nov/dec 2011) do some particles or ground matter filter up above the trench area onto the top of the wooden area behind the trench? Mine always seems to if I shake it too roughly.

Not that I expect you to read the thread, but a well-placed small strip of electrical tape has helped me out. Minimal particulate goes through the "river" and basically stopped my bud from coming out through there in my pocket (sad times )

 

[morninglight]

Not that I expect you to read the thread, but a well-placed small strip of electrical tape has helped me out. Minimal particulate goes through the "river" and basically stopped my bud from coming out through there in my pocket (sad times )

Cool maybe I'll try this, thanks!

 

[OF]

Not that I expect you to read the thread, but a well-placed small strip of electrical tape has helped me out. Minimal particulate goes through the "river" and basically stopped my bud from coming out through there in my pocket (sad times )

What a brilliant idea! A guy'd have to be some kind of genius to come up with something like that......

FWIW, I made my tape wedge shaped, broad end to the bowl, pointy end outward. That seemed to give the best mechanical blocking while keeping more air flow? Only some boxes seem to suffer here?

OF

 

[kingofnull]

I don't want to deviate too much further into battery-talk-land, but I've found the Energizers to be perfectly useable batteries. I wonder what issues OF ran into...

I've been using these for years when I need a local MFLB battery. In fact, I preferred the performance of them in a lot of ways to the current MFLB offering.

I'm not looking to pick a fight, I'm just surprised is all.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

What a brilliant idea! A guy'd have to be some kind of genius to come up with something like that......

FWIW, I made my tape wedge shaped, broad end to the bowl, pointy end outward. That seemed to give the best mechanical blocking while keeping more air flow? Only some boxes seem to suffer here?

OF

Oh shush, you're the one that showed me... That was an older picture, I just searched the thread real quick because I knew it was in here somewhere. I refined mine to my liking.

 

[OF]

I don't want to deviate too much further into battery-talk-land, but I've found the Energizers to be perfectly useable batteries. I wonder what issues OF ran into...

I've been using these for years when I need a local MFLB battery. In fact, I preferred the performance of them in a lot of ways to the current MFLB offering.

I'm not looking to pick a fight, I'm just surprised is all.

Low loaded output voltage (high internal resistance) I suspect, it's been a while since I did the testing. Like I said, I got four, two of which do just fine in a flashlight I can't find.

Let's remember this started out with 'use any old battery at the supermarket', which I think we all agree is not good advice?

If you find others you're happy with, no doubt about it you're happy with them. Go for it. I keep coming back to 'the factory battery' or a very sort list of proven useful types. It sounds like that particular Energizer belongs on that list, at least in some experience. FWIW, I don't find the HSD ones useful for the most part for instance.

Oh shush, you're the one that showed me... That was an older picture, I just searched the thread real quick because I knew it was in here somewhere. I refined mine to my liking.

Of course, Bro. Just having a spot of fun....one gets so few straight lines around here you know.

And I also gotta hand it to you color wise, mine is pretty dull and unimaginative.....I used black Gorilla Tape (good stuff, BTW).

OF