Da buddha dab kit (nail ? )

[mmenzie]

OK so after 1 day of testing:

1st I'm a fan boy of the SSV and never thought I would have a DBV plugged at home!
Anyhow, I must say sorry to FC for my previous & wrong suppositions on this thing and its functionality (with concentrate disk): I was wrong! This thing will vape/dab your concentrates without the disk!

This been said, you have to lower the ceramic as stated by Vitolo. I have the new stoppers and it works well.






I use it with my AquaVape when I want to moisturize my hits, or the normal mouthpiece for dry hits damn, claim' formed exactly in front of the perc. holes...).



I have been playing with the IR gun and basically on the corners of the cup (junction walls & base) it reaches 245°c at max temp. the middle of the cup maxes around 220°c. I will try to lower slowly my temp to see till which temp. it will still flashvape with better flavors!

The hits are more airy/less flavorfull then with a rig and there is a lot of space for claim/condensation/lose... between the glass HC, wand, tubing... Those asre the 2 only cons I see about this "Electrical nail of the poors".

BTW, my setting works with plants (but you need to be on max temp too as the Ti cup is "sucking" a lot of heat)! Oh and a cup from a DYD nail or a HE nail works fine. I suppose if you find a quartz cup with a hole where the ceramic heater fits, it would work fine too!

so the stopper should be laying down not standing up??? mine has to be standing up cause if it lays down like yours there is a gap and air gets in. and trying to get it to stand straight up is no easy task either. i am supposed to be getting a new stopper but i am not sure that is the only issue. the top ring in my heater cover has a small dip in it when you run your finger around the rim.

so you had to turn it up to the max to vape flowers?? interesting... and you left the cup in while doing it.... also interesting. i had issues with flowers... maybe i had the heat too low. i had it set at the same temp as when i use to vape flowers with the standard heater cover.

 

[farscaper]

That dip would make issues creating a seal regardless of how perfect the stopper was... If this doesnt fix it it def the heater cover lmo... I really do wonder if a low profile gong fitting would have been better and easier to qc too

 

[Vitolo]

I have obtained and passed to members of the community 4 sets of this unit.
The stoppers fit perfectly and make an ideal seal on only 2 of them.
Mine (a 5th unit) does not have a perfect seal but it works as I want it to..
Since they are hand blown, there is some variance, and I am finding that the perfect seal is not needed, just the balls restriction seems to do well.

 

[farscaper]

Im interested in hearing more about this ssv model... Do you have info to share

I have obtained and passed to members of the community 4 sets of this unit.
The stoppers fit perfectly and make an ideal seal on only 2 of them.
Mine (a 5th unit) does not have a perfect seal but it works as I want it to..
Since they are hand blown, there is some variance, and I am finding that the perfect seal is not needed, just the balls restriction seems to do well.

 

[Vitolo]

Not yet, just that they will be making one in short order, and putting it up on their website.
I imagine it will be when the extra work caused by this 1st release has subsided... enough to give them time to blow a second shape of HC for "the next round"!

 

[GR]

I have finally been able to get some temperature measurements of the DBV TI nail as well as a 18mm DYD TI nail heated with a torch.

Torch heating a DYD18mm TI nail glowing red and torch still on it measured 1375f, the moment the torch was removed the temperature dropped rapidly, I may have been able to get the nail hotter but it was far beyond where I would heat it anyway. I need to check this out a few more times but it looks like 850-1100f is where I would let the nail cool to for doing a dab.

The DBV with the oil kit heats their TI to 780f on my borrowed DBV, mine died the day before the high temp probe arrived, on highest heat setting, the temp stayed constant at 780f for 20min. Putting the glass bar bell on raises the temp of the nail to 791f in 5min, taking the globe off dropped the nail to 770f. Data wing air through the wand for 6 seconds drops the nail temp to 710f on average and rebounds to 750f in 15sec on average but it rebounds to 740f in under six seconds.

 

[farscaper]

Great info, I think the mod in my mind just became clearer with those temp #'s. Come on lets get some more temp data. Do u think bumping that temp,up would flashvape better and cause less whispy hits? The hakko 888 s temp range is just a little higher it seems, so I wonder if this is just gonna have to get made when I get back from vacation .

 

[GR]

So I got my new oil heater globe yesterday and promptly broke it when I tried to use some extra shims to take the play out, to much shim and to much force, my fault. It was a tad smaller so it fit better then my first one and the barbell made a much better seal even when laying horizontal.

Something interesting has happened to me 4-5 times now and I have some temp data to pair it to. So if the nail has been used in the last ten minutes or so it will be at 780f-783f, if it sits for more time it creeps up to 787-790f . At the 788f on up temps if I attempt a dab I have gotten vaper turning into a ball of flames, ignition starts low in the cover by the element. This happened twice when I first got the oil kit and I assumed my oil had not been purged well enough but it never happened with that oil again working at lower temps on the dial or if I did a dry pull for a few secs before dabbing. Those fresher oils are gone and all I have left is some very old, well purged, and re heated many of a time to transfer to smaller and smaller containers and I consider basically cooking oil, I can make this flare up when the TI nail gets above 787f or there abouts. I am at this moment trying to get temp readings at the element itself, so far I am reading around 1050f just below the TI nail and 1130f going lower. Anyone else get ignition?

 

[Vitolo]

I got ignition once, and adjusted my thinking.
I now begin the inhale well before the dab touches the nail.
I make certain ALL matter has been well purged also.
Moisture makes this worse as it causes splatter.
What to do if the "popping" flame starts:

Do not blow on the flame;
DO NOT inhale... you will blacken the inside of your wand.(even though inhaling to dampen the flame is a reflex)
Put the ball on and let the flame pop a few times and it will "play out".
Keep the dabs to a modest size... (a split pea sized dab is very large.. half of that will do)

 

[farscaper]

It does sound as though the extra heat is causing too rapid a boil, thus tossing drops everywhere... If a few of those drops hit that 1000°+ ceamic element, now doubt that will cause the oil to combust. Hence all the fire!... Whoops, im a pyro!. But if ur claim ends up like mine it got cleaned out of a bong with everclear. Hence why I only vape fresh made oil and make claim chocolates. Mmm. But between the moistire from the bong and the % water in everclear there is a lil more moisture in to... So it doesnt vape down, it fizzes and boils, even dry decarb claim boils and spurts on a nail thats a lil too hot... I think im gonna go have anoth chocolate now lol. I guess this hakko mod im,thinking is even more relevent, there is a built in sensor that keeps the hakko from,overheating. Keeping the element set to a range. If it overheats, it drops the temp back down. Where as the dbv will just keep warming up... To a point I suppose. Not knocking the dbv by any means either, just a thought.

 

[GR]

I have had a chest cold the last few days so full dabs are out for me. This lead me to play with the ceramic disk and the stopper. I have been putting 1-3 dabs worth on the ceramic while the DBV has been preheated on full heat, I then have turned the dial down ( work in progress) since the TI is at max heat, put the stopper on and start slowly pulling, the first few pulls are flavorful, next few are good, the last few need the heat turned up and taste like chewing on clay but are full hits and medicating. If I leave the heat at max the hits after the first few become thick and will choke me and you have to take them or the oil just vape/burns off. Playing with the dial and temp allows control for smaller controlled hits but you still have to do them or they vape/burn away. I have not found a way to get better flavor for the second half of the dose.

For flame flair ups I found that before the dab if the dial is turned down so it stops glowing before the hit ( the TI is still getting heat and retaining the pre heat) flair up have stopped happening, so far.

 

[farscaper]

Unfortunatly GR, unless you add fresh oil, the flavor is gonna,be gone in the first few hits. The flavors are terpenes, they vape off first as they have the lowest vape temp. After that the thc, then cbn, then cbd. Not much u can do except add more or finish it off and reload. Im not a big fan of ceramic sponges and oil for that reason, just a personal preferance.

 

[GR]

Unfortunatly GR, unless you add fresh oil, the flavor is gonna,be gone in the first few hits. The flavors are terpenes, they vape off first as they have the lowest vape temp. After that the thc, then cbn, then cbd. Not much u can do except add more or finish it off and reload. Im not a big fan of ceramic sponges and oil for that reason, just a personal preferance.

http://www.stonerforums.com/threads/specific-boiling-point-and-role-of-cannabinoids.4853/

Note some of the terpenes are much higher then the boiling point of THC. This is why I have always felt dabs to be the most flavorful way to do oil. Bringing the temp of oil up slowly has resulted in a baked taste to me, flash boil on a hot skillet or nail does the job though. The DBV is interesting since it is definitely working at lower temps the a dab on a nail by 1-2 hundred degrees.

Still the ceramic disk allows for a slower intake of the dab, which in my case with a chest cold is the only way to get an oil hit in right now with out a choking fit. I agree with you that trying to do a large dab on ceramic is not going to give a bigger window of flavor, in fact your comment hit a note and I started doing single dabs on the ceramic, this gives an extended amount of time to do multiple flavorful hits and then let the containments vape/smoke off before the next. What I can achieve is a medication that allows sleep with out choking myself since a singl normal dab is three hits instead of my usual one.

 

[GR]

Update on the ceramic disks.

I was reading up on FC about the Health Stone products and the controversy of whether it is vaping or combusting. This of course led me to try it with the ceramic disks, 48hrs later through clean glass and just torching the disk I have to say it is a combination just by judging the resin on the glass, it is a fine film throughout the air path compared to globs of reclaim when dabbing with Buddah or a nail and torch yet it is still lcleans like the globs of reclaim just much less of it.

Bored with that I decided to try the disks in the DBV with a new method. With TI and disk pre heated I then make a dab slightly larger then I would if it was to go into just TI. Instead of dropping the entire dab on the ceramic I just touch it for a moment to let some oil get on the disk and pull dabber with the rest of the glob from the heat. The result is a slow vape production that requires a very slow draw, it is very flavorful for 2/3rd of the hit, I then let the nasty burn off. My oils are in the 70% range so this makes sense that the last third is nasty, even on torch dabs I never try to get the last bit off the dabber and never take in the last moment of the dab. Now that I have found a method that works with the ceramic disk for me I am really happy with them. What I like is the slow flavorful hit that is easy to avoid the nasty at the end of the hit and that a dabber glob is multiple hits that can be done in one session or the dabber set aside for a later dab.

 

[dorkus_molorkus]

my unit arrived today.

I just whacked it on 12, waited a bit & kaboom.
No fuss vapor.

wow!
After a couple of hits.
I love it, I think this is what I have been looking for.

& by a very strange co-incidence............

Todays the day where I go & do bloody murder upon my girls.

My new 2oz SS extractor with stand is ready for its first run.

This week is gonna ROCK!!!

thankyou Vito for bringing this to us.
I like it a lot.

 

[mmenzie]

got my new glass stopper the other day. i like it MUCH better than the barbell one i got first. i like the hook, it has come in quite handy. the new one sits like it should. i am still experimenting with it though. here are some pics:

 

[Entheogenesis]

I never realized it hooked on the edge of Da Buddha so well, makes it much easier to grab after the dab drops. Thanks for the photos mmenzie!

 

[dorkus_molorkus]

I gotta say I am loving this thing. I had about a gram or so of finger hash and didnt quite know what I wanted to do with it.

well I just bunged it in ye olde DBV oil rig, and kaboom again!

No fuss vapor.

I just put a little spots worth on the nail, huffed on it a little, got a tiny bit of vapor.
then nothing, I put the stopper on & waited about 3-5secs and had a gentle little pull on the bubbler........

kaboom hash vapor all at once,
little spot glows red, all gone.
yummy, nom-nom-nom!

exhale, rinse & repeat.

 

[1337Dude]

So guys, I know absolutely nothing about dabbing. The only thing I've heard from a friend is that he tried a drop or 2 of hash oil using some dab-device (no clue what it was) and he claimed that it made him the highest he's ever been. I'm going to assume that DBV + the dab attachment isn't going to be the same as other dab-smoking tools. You're vaporizing the oil, not combusting it, right? What are the advantages of using this kit over just placing my oil on weed in my standard DBV wand?

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

So guys, I know absolutely nothing about dabbing. The only thing I've heard from a friend is that he tried a drop or 2 of hash oil using some dab-device (no clue what it was) and he claimed that it made him the highest he's ever been. I'm going to assume that DBV + the dab attachment isn't going to be the same as other dab-smoking tools. You're vaporizing the oil, not combusting it, right? What are the advantages of using this kit over just placing my oil on weed in my standard DBV wand?

You're supposed to vaporize oil. This kit will make it so that you can vaporize oil. You can use oil by itself without the use of cotton or a bed of weed.

 

[1337Dude]

You're supposed to vaporize oil. This kit will make it so that you can vaporize oil. You can use oil by itself without the use of cotton or a bed of weed.

So then the only advantages this provides is the ability to better taste the oil?

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

So then the only advantages this provides is the ability to better taste the oil?

No, the advantage is having one vaporizer do two different functions. Vape flower, dab oil, the proper way.

 

[1337Dude]

No, the advantage is having one vaporizer do two different functions. Vape flower, dab oil, the proper way.

It's amazing that you've managed the dodge the primary question of both my posts. Reiterating, why dab oil the proper way?

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

It's amazing that you've managed the dodge the primary question of both my posts. Reiterating, why dab oil the proper way?

Hahaha, you said you know absolutely nothing about oil to begin with... how do you know you haven't missed the answer?

Look, there's bongs, and there's oil rigs. Why would people bother with oil rigs if you can just load oil on top of weed in a bong? Because sometimes people just want oil. Why do people want oil? Maybe because they prefer the higher cannabinoid content with much less total vapor compared to flower. Maybe they need strong doses. Why should people get the dab kit? So they can dab ONLY oil maybe? So they can have a nail with some heat control? How about a nail that doesn't need a torch to heat?

 

[1337Dude]

Quetzalcoatl, your posts remind of an standoffish autistic child. I'm just simply making inquiries here, and you're not really trying to answer them, but avoid the very question I've been asking. I understand the function and the purpose of the device, you don't need to babble on about it.

What I don't understand are the advantages, and why anyone would use it as opposed to simply placing it in a bed of weed in a standard wand?

I'm just confused, and I'm trying to understand, because I'd like to try it out. You say that a straight oil-dab is a stronger dose? Wouldn't putting a dab of oil in a bed of weed technically be a stronger dose (more THC afterall), as well as providing thicker vapor density? What specifically is the advantage of higher cannabinoid content with less vapor anyways? It's just vapor, it's not like it's harming your lungs...

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