Umm, yes seriously.
You are mistaken. It produces no vapor when brand new. You even said yourself you never dry ran it. What you are experiencing is the high heat of the coil being able to *burn* every last bit of oil. The cloud will put every last bit of oil into vapor/smoke. That is the only reason it hits longer than your nicer pens. I see that you have jumped to conclusions, and based on how many people liked your post I see that that is common on this forum.
I see that you have also jumped to conclusions by assuming that the # of likes my post received directly corresponds to the # of people who "jump to conclusions". "Liking" a post is not necessarily synonymous with agreeing with a post.
Regarding the *burn*, yes I disclosed that I didn't do a dry burn up front and I included the pic of what the heating coil looked like in order to qualify my caveat. You refer to the cloud putting "every last bit of oil into vapor/smoke". That last part, the "smoke", is exactly what I find alarming. We're trying to fuck combustion here, right? I never called it smoke, but you opened the door.
Sorry to be rude, but you are all a bit ignorant or something, this isn't e-cig technology and no matter how many times you call an exposed atomizer a "repackaged" e-cig it doesn't make it true.
I believe that the heating coil is very common in ecig atomizers, no?
It's commonly used in ecig technology, therefore I consider it ecig technology. Granted, it's a simple heating coil, so I'm sure it's already been used in various devices that have nothing to do with ecigs and will continue to be used for other purposes well into the future. That being said, I think it's fair to say that any device that uses a heating coil of this design to vaporize any sort of material for consumption owes it's technology to the world of ecigs.
They removed the wick in order to modify this technology, so I will concede that the cloud heating element is not the
exact same thing as the majority of atties/cartos out there. But did the manufacturers do anything else? I'm no electrician, but I wonder if they made any sort of adjustment to the voltage and power output. Afaik, e-liquids vaporize differently than flower or concentrates? Were changes in the power output taken into consideration by the manufacturers?
Yes, many forms of technology have been sequestered for a variety of uses, many of which they were never intended for. However, that doesn't mean that they are necessarily an improvement on technology that was
specifically designed for a certain purpose.
In fact, modifying technology for an un-imagined purpose is pretty fuckin cool. Let's consider the example of those members of society who have the misfortune of being incarcerated.
Felons are people, too, and I'm sure that they enjoy a good grilled cheese sandwich as much as the next dude. Since they don't have a kitchen at their disposal, what do they do? Use an iron! Genius!
I can also make a grilled cheese sandwich with an iron; the bread gets warm and the cheese gets melted. Personally, I prefer to use a griddle because, well, I can. I have that tool at my disposal. An iron doesn't lend itself to culinary use because it wasn't designed for that purpose.
So to clarify, UpUp is worried because his device is too efficient at finishing oil, and everyone who liked his post is paranoid too. Look at the picture, the coil should be visible but it is covered in oil, and he is WORRIED that vapor comes off it when heated....it's still covered in oil!
So yes, the cloud does make your oil last longer, sorry to break it to you, but your post has the rediculous thesis that the cloud produces vapor no matter what, that is pure SPECULATION and IGNORANCE, though this forum is unfortunately full of that. I challenge anyone to buy a new cloud and show me this magical vapor-creation device that works without oil.
Let me clarify your attempt at clarification. I'm not worried that it's "too" efficient; I'm worried that something is goin' on that ain't supposed to be goin' on. Your assertion that "everyone who liked his post is paranoid too" is pure SPECULATION and IGNORANCE.
I would love for someone to buy a new cloud, test it, and share their opinion. My opinion of the cloud is in no way a personal attack on you, although I feel like you've taken it that way by questioning my intentions and my intelligence.
I believe you when you say that it doesn't produce vapor when a dry run is done since I haven't witnessed it myself. My primary concern doesn't lie there; it lies with the density of the vapor production when considering the amount of "oil" on the coil.
Yes, the coil is "covered". But I estimate that the thickness of the coating is less than half a mm, if that. I think it's safe to assume (yes, I'm making an "assumption", but a fair one imo) that it was less than 0.01 g worth of "oil". With that amount of "oil" (more like a crust), I feel uneasy when I see clouds that rival nail hits. No, I have no definitive empirical evidence, but I'm gonna go with my gut on this one. Things just don't add up.
I
do have an anecdotal point of comparison. I vaporized the same material (skywalker wax) in my dart. No crust was visible on the ceramic element. When it was done, it was
done; no visible vapor, so I doubt that there was any residue on the heating coil, either. Should you
assume that the dart is less efficient than the cloud? I think the evidence points toward the dart providing pure vaporization and full extraction of the active ingredients. No question on whether smoke could have possibly been produced.
If I'm wrong and there's nothing to be concerned about, then I think the manufacturers should really push this device's efficiency as a selling point. Hell, with this sort of efficiency, other fields of study and production should take notice.
Before I use the cloud pen again, I'd like to know:
- What exactly is in the crust that surrounds the heating element at the end of a session? Is there any thc in there? If not, then what exactly is producing the vapor?
- Were any other modifications made to the atomizer aside from removing the wick?
But no one will reply to this I'm sure. Since all the information I bring to the table supports a cheap pen that looks like an e-cig, and no one here can open their mind to the possibility that their expensive pens could find competition that they haven't heard of.
But seriously, it "magically creates vapor from nothing" when you show us a pic of your oil-covered atomizer? Are you fucking stupid or just trying to discredit this device? And you all took his word for it? Fuccck.....
Again, you are guilty of making assumptions and again, you are incorrect. You say you were sure that no one would reply? I believe this post qualifies as a reply, buddy.
I don't have an open mind? Another swing and miss. I'm completely open to pens that are less expensive than what I currently own and that could rival their performance. That's exactly why I bought a cloud pen and tried it out. Believe me, I would love to use the money I would
potentially save on a cheap pen on flower and concentrates. I just haven't found anything that would be adequate replacements for what I currently own.
Oh yeah, let's not forget that it died the second day that I had it.
You ask if I'm "fucking stupid"? No, I'm not.
You ask if I'm trying to "discredit this device"? Yes, I am.
As a member of this community, it's my duty to share my experience and my opinion. Keep in mind that it's exactly that:
MY experience and
MY opinion. You are within your rights to do the same, as is every other member of this forum. But don't
ASSUME that I am an idiot or have a sinister agenda against pens like the cloud. Based on my experience, tossing around insults is indicative of insecurity with one's argument. In my opinion,
that's fucking stupid.
Fuccck... combustion.
Edit: When I was inhaling the "vapor" produced by the cloud pen's alleged efficiency, I didn't get medicated; I got a headache. After using the dart I was fully medicated, no headache. In the end, isn't that what matters?
(I've seen it in dispensaries and head shops for $60 and it's listed as $75 on their site. At the expo they were selling them for $40.)
I had still been getting a lot of vapor from this right before it died.
