Cheap High Quality Bubbler

[Frederick McGuire]

Basically, for me the fact thy there's a roor label on there makes it shady.
If it was marketed as a clone, I wouldn't care (just as I have no problem with black leaf copying Toro designs, but if they start slapping a toro label on them then I wouldn't touch them with a 10 foot pole).
IMO, that label is deceitful, either to the current buyer, or a future buyer if it's re-sold.
It's not a Roor, don't say it is....

If it has a label, it's way more deceptive, IMO.

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[WatTyler]

what about when it's imitation 'gucci' or whatever- it's almost funny. It's a bit like me having a 'Ferrari' keyring, no? Fundamentally it's wrong I know, and agreed counterfeit needs to remain illegal, but I don't know if I have the same moral aversion to it. I'm less bothered about protecting the image of the brand, and more bothered about protecting the consumer, so as long as there's no real deceit involved then I don't get incited by it. OTOH this is a relatively small market- should I support Roor more than Gucci or Prada? IDK, they seem to be pretty big enough players or there wouldn't be imitations.

 

[sessnet]

I usually like getting the real thing, and then the fake thing. That way I don't feel bad!

Some people say - when you buy counterfeit, you are lying to yourself, and others.

However, I wonder if that logic still holds, if you print in big letters "FAKE SHIT" on the fake goods?

 

[collegerower]

$22 was accepted without the bowl.

Indeed, I sent an offer for $22 and was accepted! I can join the club with this little beast when it gets here!

 

[sessnet]

Indeed, I sent an offer for $22 and was accepted! I can join the club with this little beast when it gets here!

That's cool! I wonder how low she's willing to go

 

[collegerower]

I tried $15 on another account, but she said $24 was as low as she would go.... Dosnt make much sense...

 

[sessnet]

I tried $15 on another account, but she said $24 was as low as she would go.... Dosnt make much sense...

Nice try

The piece that you guys have been talking about, doesn't look to sturdy on the handles. I wonder how long it would hold up? At the very least it's a good addition to all the cool choices on here.

I know that thereare like 20(?) or so pieces on this thread, it would be awesome to just have them in one list for the newcomers, or just to be tidy.

This thread is awesome!

 

[Frederick McGuire]

This thread is awesome!

@Wat
It seems we agree about the issue differently
As a past owner of a Genuine China-Version Rolex, there is certainly a novelty value to having them, I guess I just see it as copying is recognising a good idea, and doing it yourself, but counterfeiting is stealing a good idea...
I dunno if that makes sense, but its the best way I can describe it...

Its not so much about protecting the Couterfeited, but not rewarding the Counterfeiter.

 

[sessnet]

Check out what's (hopefully) about to happen on this thread:

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/leviathan-pipes-inexpensive-american-glass-shipping.5577/

 

[NewSchoolExplorer]

I dunno, in principle I guess I agree, but then I think counterfeits are more OK as long as their not being sold as the original. Seems like a contradiction, but I guess the point I'm making is that at that price nearly everyone knows that it's not a Roor downstem- it's an obvious imitation rather than deceit, if that's a fair distinction? Though I doubt Roor would see it like I do lol. I suppose there is a reason why it's illegal.

Law is ever changing, depending on time and geographic location. I do not think their should be barriers on copying as this results in a need to increase innovation. Those that innovate and focus on customer relations have a great brand value than those that dont. Simply put, I believe it should be survival of the fittest. If you cannot produce a product with the most value (benefits vs. price) than you are doing something wrong. If you do not change your product offerings than your swamped by a greater competition in the market.

I just simply feel that its all good and the consumer will have his or her own reasoning to choose one option over another.

If it works and it's of a fair quality, it's ok by my book!

Though I am against misrepresentation and lying to sell products (e.g. claiming to be another company)

 

[charliedontsurf]

I didn't mean to spark a conversation on knock offs, and everyone has great points. If it works well then it works well and it's probably a product worth buying. On the other hand, carrying a fake label is wrong on many levels and simply unnecessary.

Abysmal (iirc) gave it a good review and he knows his shit. It's just a shame they don't offer their good product without the fake label, as it can apparently stand on its own merits and isn't even a direct rip off of a Roor downstem design as far as I know.

Personally I don't buy knockoffs for a number of reasons, mostly because I don't see it benefiting anyone in the system except the guy trying to make a quick buck, and even he is stabbing himself in the back in this case.

I'm really excited about the bubblers Leviathan glass is concocting for us.

Mmm, I was just thinking I should mention this little guy, a bubbler I got from Gonzo (thanks man!) which was made in New Orleans and he said cost 100$ new. One thing I really like about the big 24mm GonG removable downstem is that it allows you to put in a pretty huge amount of crushed ice, something I really enjoy doing from time to time. What I don't love are the open armed diffusers, which while doing a nice job, I will still be sealing next time I go glassblowing. I haven't been in 3 weeks due to finals but can't wait to see how it chubbles with the fingers closed. I really like the simple, elegant mouthpiece and arm design.

 

[NewSchoolExplorer]

I too have finals but have been vaping A LOT more lol bc of my to LW 15 arm and UD vape. Good luck on yours. I wish I can take some sort of class to learn how to work with boro and make a tube or something here in SoCal. (anyone know of any?)

Nice bubbler but is the perc tilted or is it just the photo?

 

[Gonzo]

Glad to hear you are liking the bubbler Charlie. Interested to hear how it performs after the modifications.

My LHS upped the price on em to $125 recently. The guys said they have become one of their top sellers because of the size.

 

[Abysmal Vapor]

I don't know what is the last agreed minimum . But someone mentioned removable moutpiece so i decided to share this Vriptech Bub(reminds me of HiSi Jamaican Can Bub which is about the same price but with cooler diffuser IMO ! ) (click here for pics) , i think someone on fc had one in his signature .) .. I don't know if HiSi are making the Vriptech WT but they use similar percs.. and designs..
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the Vriptech Bub can be snatched for 130 $ at the official site and for 115 euro at verdampftnochmal.de

 

[Tweak]

I was looking through some links on this thread yesterday and ran across this:


For only $49. Photo Link is clickable.

Looks like the same bubbler? How well do you like the removable percs?

 

[BigDaddyVapor]

Yeah $200 is a bit too much - I say $100 and under like the OP

Haha... I just popped in here to say the exact same thing. While I moonlight as a Glass Snob now, I'm still a Broke Bastards Glass Consortium charter member. We're getting out of hand. I believe it was established a while ago... $100 was the "limit" or thereabouts.

 

[sessnet]

next time I go glassblowing.

Awesome that you are blowing glass- I saw your etsy store. That is my dream now too. I am going to take some classes this year, and learn, otherwise, I will consider myself a failure (this year)

 

[Kief]

I don't know what is the last agreed minimum . But someone mentioned removable moutpiece so i decided to share this Vriptech Bub(reminds me of HiSi Jamaican Can Bub which is about the same price but with cooler diffuser IMO ! ) (click here for pics) , i think someone on fc had one in his signature .) .. I don't know if HiSi are making the Vriptech WT but they use similar percs.. and designs..
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the Vriptech Bub can be snatched for 130 $ at the official site and for 115 euro at verdampftnochmal.de

HiSi does make this for Vriptech. I've had mine for just over a month now and I love it, but I use a HiSi downstem to lower the water level by 3/8" and keep from getting water in the mouth piece from excess stacking. The Vriptech downstem is made for the VWT PerK and it's great, but it's not right for this small piece IMO.

 

[stickstones]

Haha... I just popped in here to say the exact same thing. While I moonlight as a Glass Snob now, I'm still a Broke Bastards Glass Consortium charter member. We're getting out of hand. I believe it was established a while ago... $100 was the "limit" or thereabouts.

My bad...I think all of my links were $150 and up. funny how I started addicted to this thread looking for something under $100 and then found myself happy to spend double that for some quality.

 

[placetime]

Mmm, I was just thinking I should mention this little guy, a bubbler I got from Gonzo (thanks man!) which was made in New Orleans and he said cost 100$ new. One thing I really like about the big 24mm GonG removable downstem is that it allows you to put in a pretty huge amount of crushed ice, something I really enjoy doing from time to time. What I don't love are the open armed diffusers, which while doing a nice job, I will still be sealing next time I go glassblowing. I haven't been in 3 weeks due to finals but can't wait to see how it chubbles with the fingers closed. I really like the simple, elegant mouthpiece and arm design.

I think one like this, but with a more durable downstem might be ideal. Anyone seen anything like this with a showerhead? Or even with just a well-slitted downstem?

 

[quentin123]

Just found this one, seems like a good deal at $75

http://www.etsy.com/listing/9688623...t=handmadeglass+dome+oil&ga_view_type=gallery

 

[charliedontsurf]

Just found this one, seems like a good deal at $75

http://www.etsy.com/listing/96886235/mini-rig-for-oil-dabbin-with-dome-and?ref=sr_gallery_10&ga_search_query=glass dome oil&ga_search_type=handmade&ga_facet=handmadeglass dome oil&ga_view_type=gallery

A Male connection on the bubbler kind of limits your options, and that Haywood guy once came on the forum just posting random links to dabbers and nails in every thread. Not that that's like invading Poland, but it's inappropriate. Anyway, I browse Etsy quite a bit, and I think he may have dropped the price 20-30 bucks very recently. Seems like a pretty awesome deal if the nails hold up.

Awesome that you are blowing glass- I saw your etsy store. That is my dream now too. I am going to take some classes this year, and learn, otherwise, I will consider myself a failure (this year)

I really encourage it, it's a load of fun.

I was looking through some links on this thread yesterday and ran across this:


For only $49. Photo Link is clickable.

Looks like the same bubbler? How well do you like the removable percs?

I hope it isn't the same, it's lame when headshops try to pass off China glass as domestic stuff. The mouthpiece on mine looks alot more competently blown IMO, that one on the left just looks silly, but I still think it's entirely possible.

The removable downstem is fantastic because it lets you add crushed ice. The diffuser gets like 7/10 because the arms are open, not closed.

 

[Gonzo]

That is definitely not the same one. Mouthpiece is different and that one measures in at 11". The one my LHS sells is much smaller at just over 6".

 

[BigDaddyVapor]

I hope it isn't the same, it's lame when headshops try to pass off China glass as domestic stuff. The mouthpiece on mine looks alot more competently blown IMO, that one on the left just looks silly, but I still think it's entirely possible.

The removable downstem is fantastic because it lets you add crushed ice. The diffuser gets like 7/10 because the arms are open, not closed.

Naw, the mouthpiece isn't the only difference (and that is a BIG difference). Check the angle of the bend on the bowl handle also. Plus, you can tell the difference in the glass, especially the clear one on the left.

You're good man. Trust me, we've all bought a piece/accessory then seen a cheaper knockoff and had to do a double-take.

 

[BigDaddyVapor]

Now that was helpful! Unfortunately, my budget for glass just dropped to 0, so I'll have to wait a while. But I'm pretty much sold on the RX when the time comes, thanks a lot.
I was sort of asking for a balance of cheap and high-quality, which I have deduced to lie in the $110-130 range for a bubbler. I assumed that there wouldn't be much of a price difference b/w bongs and bubs, but that was dead wrong. You can get a quality bong for $60, whereas a good bubbler seems to be twice as much.

Well, Bleezy... you created a monster. A thread that has branched off and influenced conversation and purchases all over this planet. I hope you've come to realize, its not always in a name, nor in the price. That seedling you planted, that also grew into a worldwide movement, the Broke Bastards Glass Consortium has turned into the teacher, enriching your life with oodles of goodies, in that sub-$100 and thereabout cheap range.

You're nowhere to be found, since April. Man... a legend in the making and like many of the great ones, gone... before his time. I wonder if he was 27 y/o? Would be fitting... another rock star taken from us, much to early.

I hope wherever you are, Bleezy... you are comforted by the warm embrace of good Karma.