TinyMight / TM 2

[Alex3oe]

If the Tiny Might came with a cool leather pouch...... would you consider it of "game changing" status?

Of course not

Woudn't call the Grasshopper "game changing" either. But this device, stored with some equipment in this nice pouch, is simply something a little different, compared to TinyMight, Milaana, Lil'Bud(Elite), and the 510 devices, that all are working in a similar way.

Of course the TinyMight is top notch here, but the overall design is all but new.

 

[MonkeyTime]

The chances of that issue solving itself seem pretty low to me...

I completely agree, unfortunately. But it's still working for now, and blowing clouds, so I'll email "the maker" and get his perspective.

I still laugh at that title. I understand how he's been labeled with it, but it gives it a movie, theatrical feeling. Come out from behind the curtain maker and show yourself! On that note, we all know who it is, and if you want the history, the thread is there. Let's all move on. If you have issues, it's in that thread. Just my opinion.....

I have to say that I have a decent stable of vapes at my disposal. At home it's hard not to grab an MV, I still consider it the most capable all around vape. But when I go to my room for a quick session, I often grab my TM first because it's almost as fast at small loads as my grasshopper, but so much more consistent. And in full disclosure, I don't feel that much different than @Alex3oe , the GH is incredibly fast and thorough with it's extraction. But it's the sports car that needs more maintenance than the benefits you gain often. On the go, it's only been my TM since I've received it and it's held it's own very well.

@Siebter , just want to say thanks for holding down this thread. Every thread has at least one member that is always willing to help the fresh members on a thread, no matter how many times a question has been asked. You seem to have assumed that role here, and handled it with grace even thru the early testy times (even though we're still early). You rock brother

*Edit - @LabPong , the GH doesn't come with a leather pouch, some early adopters got , I didn't. I do have the @Ratchett leather carrier, if you use a GH on the go it's a great investment. These two devices can fit similar roles, but the TM has a lot more range. The GH is a specialty vape that fits one niche IMO. The TM is early, but early reports haven't found many issues, can't say the same for the GH. I actually would call the GH a game changer if it were more reliable.

 

[Siebter]

[...] but it gives it a movie, theatrical feeling

Since I had a little conversation with „the maker“ via email, the guy who makes the Tinymight (for lack of a better term) is not a very mysterious person at all for me. He's cool & friendly, I hope you'll have the same experience when dealing with him about that dial.

Beside that: thank you for your kind words, they mean a lot to me. :-)

 

[Alex3oe]

Didn't sent any mail to "the maker". Was informed about shipping, but due some circumstances, he couldn't get out planed shippings this day, so the TinyMight didn't make it before Christmas as told before.

Hadn't expected this anyway, but "the maker" sent out two really nice mails apologizing about the delay and showing not up for Christmas. As I said, I didn't expect any of this and it wasn't necessary in my point of view, so I can describe "the maker" any, but cool and friendly too

 

[Brewervapesalot]

exactly tks

i pack my bowl almost at the bottom of the stem! 0.1/0.2
I can't even imagine what you're describing!
if you don't stick the stem closest to the coil I think it won't vaporize ... there will be a lot of heat loss I think ... but I haven't tried

I want a dimple stem that works on TM ...
Does anyone know where to buy? I don't use bong's I prefer straight on both sides

Herb will vaporize nicely even if your herb is above the red oring, I kinda like watching it turn brown.... milaana stem with FW5 size screen causes this (weed gets sucked up to the joint, screen stops at joint), and still vaporized great. Actually, taste better up there, even at higher temps. Maybe some cooling that high, but great experience.

 

[MonkeyTime]

I'll second both of your experiences. My first email went unanswered for a week, my second was answered the morning after I sent it and was friendly. All emails since have been fairly prompt and always courteous.

I was part of the same delay. I emailed to ask and he was transparent and didn't hide anything or make excuses.

All in all I think it would be fair to chalk it up to a two person operation that's growing.

@namasteIII , I'll answer you when I get to a keyboard brother!

 

[Brewervapesalot]

As good as this vape is, it isn't truly a "game changer". It's a very well built device, using in a widely way known techniques on top of todays standards. Delivered with the best suitable cell.

May don't fit here and even be not allowed, but speaking honest, I've been much more impressed from the Grasshopper after my first bowl, than the TinyMight. The Hopper, in this amazing leather pouch I got with it, is truly a unique device and I had never something comparable in my hands in nearly 25 years of vaping.
Only an example here from my personal views and feelings, please don't get offended here anyone

It's a game changer so much as my other portables, except a couple pax 2's, are for sale...

It is a game changer for me because it does what it is supposed to and has the simple features and design I waited and waited and waited for.... it's analog (thank you, for the love of it, I'm sick of misleading digital guesses of displays that are slow to use, useless in the cold, and battery drainers...), portable and great temp control, low maintenance, easy clean, easy fill, fast fill and use, tasty convection, big clouds, allows short draws, low draw restriction, with a replaceable battery.

I mean, I waited for Vapexhale to make something just like this, or rasta, or anyone, and they just didnt.. still haven't.. vapexhale made some stupid concentrate thing under another name... rasta seems all about unregulated.. etc..

So yeah, it's nice, it's like the Evo or Herbalizer, only portable, filled that void, always will be used...

 

[MonkeyTime]

It's a game changer so much as my other portables, except a couple pax 2's, are for sale...

It is a game changer for me because it does what it is supposed to and has the simple features and design I waited and waited and waited for.... it's analog (thank you, for the love of it, I'm sick of misleading digital guesses of displays that are slow to use, useless in the cold, and battery drainers...), portable and great temp control, low maintenance, easy clean, easy fill, fast fill and use, tasty convection, big clouds, allows short draws, low draw restriction, with a replaceable battery.

I mean, I waited for Vapexhale to make something just like this, or rasta, or anyone, and they just didnt.. still haven't.. vapexhale made some stupid concentrate thing under another name... rasta seems all about unregulated.. etc..

So yeah, it's nice, it's like the Evo or Herbalizer, only portable, filled that void, always will be used...

Hey, without sounding argumentative, you've mentioned both the analog aspect and how accurate you think the temps are, can you explain what you mean? I have no issue with it being analog, but a small dial with a large slot against small lines, I find anything but accurate. I don't have an issue with it, but haven't followed.

I do wish it had hard stops at the full numbers, I'd love to be able to turn it and count clicks or at least know it's on "6".

But I still only put it down for my MV

*Edit - again, not to sound argumentive, but those screens don't really use up any more of your battery than the flashing led in the TM. They both use up battery, but in respect to the heater, it's insignificant.

 

[Siebter]

In between numbers I kinda find hard to set, esp. in darker circumstances, the whole numbers are very visible to me. In general the temp setting experience for me is just supereasy compared with say a DaVinci IQ or something like an app on a cellphone. Analog sometimes just rocks. I agree with @Brewervapesalot that it works very accurate, as in „dial set at seven will hit like yesterdays dial set at seven“.

 

[Brewervapesalot]

Hey, without sounding argumentative, you've mentioned both the analog aspect and how accurate you think the temps are, can you explain what you mean? I have no issue with it being analog, but a small dial with a large slot against small lines, I find anything but accurate. I don't have an issue with it, but haven't followed.

I do wish it had hard stops at the full numbers, I'd love to be able to turn it and count clicks or at least know it's on "6".

But I still only put it down for my MV

*Edit - again, not to sound argumentive, but those screens don't really use up any more of your battery than the flashing led in the TM. They both use up battery, but in respect to the heater, it's insignificant.

The analog temp control does not guess at a temperature to tell me like most digital displays that purport to tell you an accurate temperature, when in fact it's just basically an educated guess.

Instead, Tiny Might gives you a level 1 to 10 range. What is accurate is the distinction between each level.

For example, level 6 versus level 7 has a proportional taste difference from say level 5 to level 6 or from level 7 to level 8.

And temperature change is instant. You can put the dial at level 10 and take a nice rip. Immediately lower to level 6, and that rip will taste like level 6 not level 10.

So Tiny Might does not state the temperature you're vaping at, but what it does really well is have accurate and incrimental control of the temperature you're vaping at via the analog dial.

You dont know the actual temperature (just like most digital displays), but level 6 is always level 6 and each level higher is a proportional increase in cloud size and I would say extraction. Flavor also diminishes predictability.

That's what i mean by accurate temperature control....


Edit: I think some people like knowing temps, amounts, and numbers, etc., whether it's cooking, brewing beer, or vaping.

Others like me, don't really use a thermometer when cooking or brewing beer, rarely measure stuff, and just eyeball it or taste it in the case of vaporizing. I can tell you the rough temperature of weed I vape. I dont need a thermometer. What I need is control over adjusting that temperature/flavor/cloud size.

Tiny Might has great temperature control in regards to adjusting flavor/cloud size/extraction up or down.

Edit #2: A wet cooling unit, say right after cleaning with hot water, makes a really nice steam hit or ten, if you dont let dry all the way before use... pretty damn nice.

Edit #3: The other thing I might not have emphasized enough is how quick and easy the analog dial is to use. No fiddling with buttons or memorizing sequences like the MV1.

I agree that being able to feel each level and half level as you turn the dial would be an improvement. But, that's me nitpicking a little bit, version 2 needs something to improve?! Lol

Edit #4: I'm really medicated and it's a predictably great experience every night with this thing.

 

[MonkeyTime]

In between numbers I kinda find hard to set, esp. in darker circumstances, the whole numbers are very visible to me. In general the temp setting experience for me is just supereasy compared with say a DaVinci IQ or something like an app on a cellphone. Analog sometimes just rocks. I agree with @Brewervapesalot that it works very accurate, as in „dial set at seven will hit like yesterdays dial set at seven“.

The analog temp control does not guess at a temperature to tell me like most digital displays that purport to tell you an accurate temperature, when in fact it's just basically an educated guess.

Instead, Tiny Might gives you a level 1 to 10 range. What is accurate is the distinction between each level.

For example, level 6 versus level 7 has a proportional taste difference from say level 5 to level 6 or from level 7 to level 8.

And temperature change is instant. You can put the dial at level 10 and take a nice rip. Immediately lower to level 6, and that rip will taste like level 6 not level 10.

So Tiny Might does not state the temperature you're vaping at, but what it does really well is have accurate and incrimental control of the temperature you're vaping at via the analog dial.

You dont know the actual temperature (just like most digital displays), but level 6 is always level 6 and each level higher is a proportional increase in cloud size and I would say extraction. Flavor also diminishes predictability.

That's what i mean by accurate temperature control....


Edit: I think some people like knowing temps, amounts, and numbers, etc., whether it's cooking, brewing beer, or vaping.

Others like me, don't really use a thermometer when cooking or brewing beer, rarely measure stuff, and just eyeball it or taste it in the case of vaporizing. I can tell you the rough temperature of weed I vape. I dont need a thermometer. What I need is control over adjusting that temperature/flavor/cloud size.

Tiny Might has great temperature control in regards to adjusting flavor/cloud size/extraction up or down.

I got you both! We're saying the same thing, just using different words. I don't think of the TM as "accurate" but damn is it consistent!

5 is 5, 6 is 6 every time. I've been playing with different humidities and starting temps vs flavor. I think the best way to explain it is that I find the TM to be very linear. I can predict my experience better with this than most vapes. Moist, dry, different grinds, they do change things, but everything I get is what I expect. Again, it's consistent. If I want flavor, I start at 5, you get vapor and flavor. If I'm in a hurry or want some visuals in the sunshine, I start at 6.5 or 7, I get pretty good flavor, but for the first hit of a convection vape, the hit is massive! Every time.

I completely agree that temps shown on vapes are guesses trying to keep up. Some are closer than others based on experience, not the numbers, but the "level". It's all relative right?

I've been oiling my unit like crazy and it's been pretty humid here, but this thing just keeps taking it in. I remember a few others mentioning that they thought it arrived dry and did too, any of you finding the same thing?

 

[bossman]

@Brewervapesalot I enjoyed those last two posts and I feel on the analog dial. I love me some DNA250C mods with my Splinters but I'm tired of the fiddly menu compared to the cheaper wismec mods that just up or down five meaningful degrees at the first click. Even the super short long press for auto-fire adds to the experience.

 

[Shit Snacks]

@Brewervapesalot I enjoyed those last two posts and I feel on the analog dial. I love me some DNA250C mods with my Splinters but I'm tired of the fiddly menu compared to the cheaper wismec mods that just up or down five meaningful degrees at the first click. Even the super short long press for auto-fire adds to the experience.

I've been a fan of the knob for a while, had it on the LSV first way back when, then fell in love with it on my Zions (dug it on the cloud Evo too when I had 1 to tide me over in between Zions for a bit) Had high hopes for the dial on the Grasshopper (a lot of high hopes with that one didn't pan out as the form factor sacrificed too much imo) but maybe it was a little over designed, tougher to turn. However they could have improved it by now? There are other vapes that I think have nice ones though I'm blanking...

Anyway I think the one on the tinymight is pretty effective, easy to turn though yeah you do need to look a little carefully if you want to be precise... For me, part of the fun is doing a slightly different spot each temp step even though it is close to where I usually would go, I'm often going just below numbers or in between them... Sometimes I start low sometimes I start medium I've even started high... The simplicity of having a dial / knob to control several general power levels is more important than specific (relative) temperature in my experience, though I definitely appreciate both, if only for the variety at the very least

 

[Stu]

It sounds like you are in the honeymoon phase with the Grasshopper .

Just wait till you get the FULL GH experience:

• The never ending revolving door of returns that can take 4-10 months. I'm up to my 8th return and I've officially given up. The look good on my desk though.
• The lies on ETAs.
• Proprietary batteries that die prematurely and are perpetually in "out of stock" status.

Sorry to derail but I just wanted to warn you/others in advance lol.

Apologies accepted for the derail, but can we all agree to end it here? It would be greatly appreciated.

 

[MonkeyTime]

Apologies accepted for the derail, but can we all agree to end it here? It would be greatly appreciated.

Welcome back @Stu !

 

[Brewervapesalot]

The cooling unit silicone seals could care less about being left in iso for a long ass while today, by the way.

And heres a FW5 sized screen (1/2" I think) diagonal in the Tiny Might stem. Probably my favorite way to load the stem.

https://ibb.co/zSgsmLB

I get good vapor, great flavor, a few draws, and very low draw resistance at level 4 this way. Agree with @Siebter about stepping up incrementally for sure... savors flavor and clouds keep coming!

 

[KeroZen]

I think I saw someone in this thread using the Samsung INR18650-30Qs with the TM, and they will work, but since they have a much lower max. current output, they might get stressed in usage quit a bit more, so I'd avoid to use them in the TM.

Check any independent testing, Sony always have over-rated their cells because they specify operating conditions with a high temperature cutoff system. The VTC6 is only 18A CDR, like the LG HG2 and the Samsung 30Q (which is under-rated, because Samsung tend to be conservative)

But on top of that, if you look at the specified capacity vs cycles count of that Sony cell, you'll see that they don't last as long as their competitors. They have slightly more punch on the first part of their discharge curve but their life expectancy is lower and they cost considerably more than their equivalents.

I still recommend the 30Q and HG2 over the VTC6. If you want to go the Sony route there are newer models that are more interesting, if you don't mind the high price tag.



PS: we still haven't seen the TM internals or any tear down unless I missed it? How's the air path isolation going inside and any material used we should be aware of? Silicone or teflon insulators, gaskets or spacers? Any plastics?

 

[mrhansen]

The electronics sits on the metal plate at the bottom of the device. An small part of the electronics board is in the same air space than the airflow compartiment separated by a sheet of wood. The airflow is not completelly isolated since there are two holes in the sheet of wood, one for the coil connection and the other one to let the red led light pass thought the compartiment to the top of the glass stem.
I asked to the owner and he say that all parts and solder are according to specification following the RoHS directive and the air flow is not passing mainly through the electronics board and the hot air does not touch it. He also explained to me that the only harmful material when burned is the solder stop mask located in the battery contact spring but is on the other compartiment.

 

[LongDraw]

Hello Everyone,

So was gonna wait to post this thinking it would take a few days for response/resolution, but i got lucky on timing.

So, last night used my device and everything was fine. Went to use again and the battery seemed low based on the initial vibrations so i changed the battery. The light came on and usual 4 buzz response for full battery, and then when i went to click the button 3 times to turn on there was no response. Tried this a couple times, including this morning, and same result.

Emailed the manufacturer this morning. Got lucky, due to time differences, and he responded. Was very nice in the email, apologized for the issue. He let me know the only thing i could do myself would be to remove the battery for a day to see if it would reset the device, otherwise he is not sure why the button stopped working like that. He said he would be shipping me out a replacement tomorrow. WOW.

I responded thanking him and saying i wasn't sure either as it was working fine a bit earlier. I let him know i would leave the battery out and give it a try again tomorrow like he suggested. Also asked what he would like for me to do with the current device, return to him or u.s. supplier.

So, i get to be the first warranty case it seems, the plus side is such a quick response and resolution.

Gotta admit, bummed because i have loved this device so far. It works just like my log vape without the cord. Thankfully a replacement will be sent and i wont be out of comssion for long.

So, mainly wanted to post this to let others know if an issue comes up, the manufactuer has been quick to respond. Like a few others, my order was held up in customs to and so wans't delivered when stated, and the manufactuerer was also quick to respond letting me know he resolved the shipping issue when i aksed if there was anything i needed to do and apologized for the delay. So far no issues/concerns with customer service.

 

[Siebter]

Check any independent testing, Sony always have over-rated their cells because they specify operating conditions with a high temperature cutoff system. The VTC6 is only 18A CDR, like the LG HG2 and the Samsung 30Q (which is under-rated, because Samsung tend to be conservative)

The said cutoff kicks in at 80°C as far as I know – which is way above most operating scenarios. One should also keep in mind that tests often refer to very early revisions of a battery model (because that's when they are reviewed mostly) and that later revisions often have better results – hence discussions about batteries are complicated. The Samsung 30Q has a max current output of 15A, the LG HG2 has 20A, while Konions allow 30A max output (below said temp) – how capable they actually are we can't decide (no, we do not...), but that's no reason to *recommend* a battery that is way below those numbers. I'd be a bit careful with that.

I've been oiling my unit like crazy and it's been pretty humid here, but this thing just keeps taking it in. I remember a few others mentioning that they thought it arrived dry and did too, any of you finding the same thing?

Yeah, mine arrived in a pretty dry state as well – they have been treated with beeswax, says the Company, but obviously very lightly. I did my first waxing session two days ago and it made the surface quite a bit silkier and smoother, I might repeat that sometime next week.

He said he would be shipping me out a replacement tomorrow. WOW.

Wow – I mean I'm sorry to hear about the problem, but nice to see that warranties are met so quickly and easy. Hope it works out for you!

 

[KeroZen]

Actually MuRata had to clarify the specs and you can read from the official VTC6 datasheet:

• Max continous discharge current without temperature cut: 15A

The case is, all three cells go above 80°C when discharged at 20A and stay under that limit at 15A. Their real CDR rating is somewhere between these two values at about 18A.

Mooch switched back to a conservative figure for the 30Q for reasons he briefly explains here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/electronic...ne_else_notice_mooch_rerated_samsung_30qs_as/

My own (limited) internal resistance testings on new cells showed practically no difference between the 30Q and the VTC6 (or the HG2), so if you recommend one you can recommend the other. The CDR is always linked to the IR.

On the other hand the aging issue is not only specified in the datasheet but also testable like he did here:

https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/t...ts-which-lasts-longer-vtc6-30q-or-hg2.807131/

Anyway, it's not recommended to operate any cell at its CDR as it will damage it. I hope the TinyMight is not drawing more than 15A during peak heater rampup, otherwise real 20A CDR cells or higher would be better (like the VTC5A, 25R, HE4 etc or the newer breed) You have to leave much headroom to cope with aging cells and variations in quality.

 

[Baron23]

Leather beats hemp pouch, that's just the way it is.

sorry, I won't discuss my pouch in public!

 

[Siebter]

Anyway, it's not recommended to operate any cell at its CDR as it will damage it. I hope the TinyMight is not drawing more than 15A peak, otherwise real 20A CDR cells or higher would be better (like the VTC5A, 25R, HE4 etc or the newer breed)

True, the max output should not be mixed up with what a device will actually use, there should be a healthy puffer between those two numbers. In my experience the battery works well in the TM, even when taken out right after a session it's lukewarm at best, so I suppose it's not getting stressed too much.

 

[LongDraw]

So, an udpate already.

First, amazing customer service from the manufacturer. He sent a few other emails expalining some things about the device and such, and a few things i could do to troubleshoot on my end. He then sent an eamil with a picture showing the new deivce packed up, would ship tomorrow and should arrive Wednesday, inclidng a return label for when he figures out next step.

So, one of the recommendations was to remove the battery and leave it until morning, thinking this may reset something. I took the battery out, but was impatient. Waited 3 to 4 hours and then put the battery in normally. Guess what, normal 4 buzzes showing battery was full, pressed button 3 times and it worked!!!!!

I just emailed him back letting him know and seeing what he would prefer to do next, i had let him know i don't want to add to his costs with shipping and another device if it is not needed.

BUT, the one thing i noticed now that stuck out, that didn't all that much last night. Last night when i switched batteries when the deivce turned on and did the normal buzzes to show battery level, the light on the device was more white/purple. Then when pressing the button there would be no response. When i inserted the battery today, after leaving it out for a few hours, the light that came on was the usual bright red light, and when i pressed the button 3 times the same bright red light did its normal thing.

I am hoping that light difference can help him troubleshoot or has some meaning to help.

Right now just happy as a lark i can use my device again today. And i cant say it enought how great the manufacturer has been with device questions/issues and/or when there was a shipping delay through DHL. The only time i didn't get a response to an email is when i had just asked for confirmation when i made the payment through paypal, due to the 1 month and cancellation thing, which i understood because he is likely busy, and i had confirmation by my papal account.

Happy days all!!

P.S. If there is any new info that could be helpful to post i will make sure to post a follow-up, but either way current device is working again and very quick response with options and solutions from manufacturer.

 

[TommyDee]

@MonkeyTime - with regard to the temp control button. I suspect there is a flange of sorts added to the dial on the inside. Yours may not be fully engaged. I would email the maker/seller and ask if this is something you can solve.
And if you do remove the bottom screw in a possible procedure, could you posts its length please?