Discontinued The Grasshopper

[david8613]

I'm not good at posting pics here, but let's see...



edit: I can't find the tapered one mentioned previously

this is cool, where did you get that? I seen somewhere once a little glass mouth piece to but don't know where to get it.

I would like to see a pic of the grasshopper torn apart, I wanna see the guts!

 

[slozukimc]

https://imgur.com/a/8x69b5h

https://imgur.com/a/t8wu3X9

https://imgur.com/a/qrGOxjJ

https://i.imgur.com/An8Deax.jpg

Some Hopper vapor cooling options.

 

[Raf]

At whatever temperature setting you're using: after blue light, try waiting 5 full seconds, then immediately inhale slowly. the air entering the chamber will extract more efficiently but the mouthpiece won't have started heating up yet. Should be able to click off the heater about a 1-2 second after you start inhaling

Short puffs like a cigar inbetween deep, cumulative inhales filling up to your lung capacity will also mitigate throat scorch

These instructions will work well with one of the older units that function correctly. 5 seconds is way too long to wait if you have one of the new, secretly-overclocked devices. Or, possibly just one of the new correctly working devices from late in this year. I don't actually know if what I have is the overclocked or regular 'new' version, I just know that it only needs to stay blue for about 1-2 second before it's able to do what it's supposed to do. waiting longer actually starts visibly vaporizing out of the air intakes, so it's already ready already..

 

[maxvapor710]

@slozukimc here are some images of the electronics in the backend

 

[slozukimc]

These instructions will work well with one of the older units that function correctly. 5 seconds is way too long to wait if you have one of the new, secretly-overclocked devices. Or, possibly just one of the new correctly working devices from late in this year. I don't actually know if what I have is the overclocked or regular 'new' version, I just know that it only needs to stay blue for about 1-2 second before it's able to do what it's supposed to do. waiting longer actually starts visibly vaporizing out of the air intakes, so it's already ready already..

My dark grey model is ready as soon as the lights are blue, as it is intended to be. I would say if you have to wait past the lights to get vapor then your Hopper is not working well.

 

[NOLOGO]

this is cool, where did you get that? I seen somewhere once a little glass mouth piece to but don't know where to get it.

I would like to see a pic of the grasshopper torn apart, I wanna see the guts!

I got it in the first vape shop I came across. They had sort of an "odds and ends" box of driptip type things. I brought my hopper (clean) to test fit.

 

[Raf]

My dark grey model is ready as soon as the lights are blue, as it is intended to be. I would say if you have to wait past the lights to get vapor then your Hopper is not working well.

Did you notice how through glass the vapor production gets thicker after the first couple mississippi? It's not that it won't work when it first turns blue it just isn't maximized heat. so if somebody is struggling with their mouthpiece getting too warm it's smart to wait a little bit l9nger so they arent pulling suboptimal vapor and heating the mouthpiece earlier. /shrug

 

[slozukimc]

Did you notice how through glass the vapor production gets thicker after the first couple mississippi? It's not that it won't work when it first turns blue it just isn't maximized heat. so if somebody is struggling with their mouthpiece getting too warm it's smart to wait a little bit l9nger so they arent pulling suboptimal vapor and heating the mouthpiece earlier. /shrug

Yes. But that doesn’t improve by waiting before drawing for me.

edit: I believe if your Hopper is working correctly the heater should be at optimal temp to produce vapor as soon as the lights are blue. To me, waiting any longer would simply add more heat to the equation, compounding the too hot mouthpiece issue. But that’s just my thoughts, they could be wrong.

 

[rnartian]

https://imgur.com/a/8x69b5h

Some Hopper vapor cooling options.

Where, oh where, could I procure that wooden one, if at all possible?

 

[Raf]

Yes. But that doesn’t improve by waiting before drawing for me.

edit: I believe if your Hopper is working correctly the heater should be at optimal temp to produce vapor as soon as the lights are blue. To me, waiting any longer would simply add more heat to the equation, compounding the too hot mouthpiece issue. But that’s just my thoughts, they could be wrong.

That's interesting, so it always takes a while after you start inhaling to build up steam? (Intentional pun I guess) whether you inhale immediately on blue or pause for 2 sec then inhale? Loose pack?

 

[slozukimc]

Where, oh where, could I procure that wooden one, if at all possible?

That is a custom piece made by KG Woodcrafts aka u/khelek41girl on Reddit for a Firewood 4 that just happens to work well with an old W9tech drip tip inside for an adapter.

That's interesting, so it always takes a while after you start inhaling to build up steam? (Intentional pun I guess) whether you inhale immediately on blue or pause for 2 sec then inhale? Loose pack?

It seems pretty instant to me once the lights are blue. I mean as soon as I start to draw I have nice, thick vapor. I guess by waiting you could be introducing a small amount of conduction heating into the equation that may produce thicker vapor a hair sooner. I will have to experiment some and see what I come up with.

edit: I did it again, two posts in a row. You would think I could learn that rule.......

edit2: Thanks for the merge!!

and, yes, a very loose pack. Usually just a pinch or so is all I need to get a giant rip.

 

[Raf]

I guess by waiting you could be introducing a small amount of conduction heating into the equation that may produce thicker vapor a hair sooner.

No we don't want to try to add conduction .

Long pause intended purely just us a workaround for getting the most extraction with least amount of heat added to mouthpiece on a dry hit

It sounds like yours work a little better than mine. especially the older ones from previous years would produce thin Vapor for the first couple seconds of a 10 second draw from Blue

A short pause has become part of the ritual for me because it seems to result in additional lung capacity available for the full extracted vapor, instead of wasting my breath on "the wisps"

 

[slozukimc]

No we don't want to try to add conduction .

Intended purely just us a workaround for getting the most extraction with least amount of heat added to mouthpiece on a dry hit

It sounds like yours work a little better than mine. especially the older ones from previous years would produce thin Vapor for the first couple seconds of a 10 second draw from Blue

I think you are right. The older ones I have owned weren’t as fast as my current one. Red to blue is usually around 2-3 seconds and vapor production is right now.

@Raf do you turn off the power halfway through your hit? I found that I still get a great hit set on a bit over 4 without the mouthpiece or the vapor being too hot if I do. If I leave the power on through the entire hit it gets too hot.

 

[Mr Mellish]

I think you are right. The older ones I have owned weren’t as fast as my current one. Red to blue is usually around 2-3 seconds and vapor production is right now.

My new Ti is ready in 2 seconds. My son says the OG Ti takes 5-6 seconds at room temp.

 

[Terpenetime]

I got it in the first vape shop I came across. They had sort of an "odds and ends" box of driptip type things. I brought my hopper (clean) to test fit.

If you’re UK based I’m pretty sure this is the same one...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Aspire-5...metal-Stainless-Steel-Mouthpiece/263076466333

I’ve ordered one so I’ll let you know when I’ve tested it out.

 

[Raf]

@slozukimc

Yep I have to try to remember to switch off the new unit like you said, otherwise flavor/battery suffers. With older units I would leave it on through the entire draw unless starting warm.

My new Ti is ready in 2 seconds. My son says the OG Ti takes 5-6 seconds at room temp.

This very closely matches my experience

 

[muunch]

So back on topic of cases/loading:

I got this nice hardshell case the other day. It's not leather, but it has a really nice exterior feel, and the interior is also quite nice and soft!

I can fit two, 2dram vials in there, plus an extra battery, and it closes smoothly...

The 2dram vials can load directly into the 'hopper quite easily, and my Delta3d Studios funnel also works to help fill the vials themselves! Quite useful!

Here is another thermocouple test:

 

[Vapor_Eyes]

Here’s a thought: the new Gen 2 Hopper will (possibly) launch in April ‘20. I wonder if the new battery shipment will arrive in time for the launch? Or will or does HL have enough pre-fire batteries to ship with the new units? I assume they must but I’d be curious if the new batts - for the rest of us - would be ready by then too.

I’m thinking the lack of batteries is the main reason for the delayed launch. It sounds like they have some of these new devices essentially finished. I’m sure the fire set back the production to some degree but I’m guessing they want to have plenty of batteries available for the launch of the new device.

Remember, a second factory has been commissioned to produce batteries. I would hope that by April one of the two factories would have a batch of batteries ready.

Work on the batteries is already underway. We have had a few meetings with the factory and are working on a solution. In parallel, we are pursuing an alternative factory. We will have more detailed information and a timeline soon.

We are excited about the new factory and future possibilities.

If the new device gets even better battery life than the newest Grasshoppers it will be impressive. Much has been said about the proprietary cells and it is truly a dead horse at this point so I won’t comment except to say that in the future they may be cheaper and possibly even more powerful:

GHB3 is a long term project, but the capital required to move to this new technology at this time is a barrier for us.

I know the custom battery has caused some headaches, like the one we are currently in. We hope as we get more devices out there we can make larger battery orders, bring the price back down and never run into this shortage again.

There is a lot of talk about wanting the battery to be cheaper. We will work to do this especially for power users like you. Perhaps a pack of batteries that brings the per-unit cost down?

 

[btka]

So back on topic of cases/loading:

I got this nice hardshell case the other day. It's not leather, but it has a really nice exterior feel, and the interior is also quite nice and soft!

I can fit two, 2dram vials in there, plus an extra battery, and it closes smoothly...

The 2dram vials can load directly into the 'hopper quite easily, and my Delta3d Studios funnel also works to help fill the vials themselves! Quite useful!

Here is another thermocouple test:

Thank you for the test... as said for me it is a bit harsh... and 60 c is maybe too hot for some without an "iron throat" and I know I am not the only one coplaining about hot vapor... it is logic the heater is so near the mouthpiece... ghost vape and crafty/mighty have a special mouthpiece or other gimmicks to make the vapor cooler... as long as you have a thermo couple I would be interessted to see this test with other vaporizers... I am very happy about this test because it is not only guessing...

@Hopper Labs come on you invented this wonderful heating element now it is time for a cooling solution... it could be an accessorie... I once talked about this with you guys and remember you told me you are not a fan of making the airpath/vapor path longer because you find it is not as efficient (think because of condensation)... but if your consumers find the vapor to harsh why do not come up with a good solution... maybe something unique and outstanding like your heating element... to be honest the hot vapor at higher temps was the only thing I did not like ... when you could solve this the grasshopper in my opinion would be really the best portable vape on market!

 

[Vaporific]

Remember, a second factory has been commissioned to produce batteries. I would hope that by April one of the two factories would have a batch of batteries ready.

That’s my hope too yet it took almost 7 months to receive a new set of batteries - and that’s with the old, pre-existing factory. A new one could take longer. I’m not optimistic that replacement batteries will be shipped any time soon. I however hope I’m proved wrong and the April ‘20 launch goes without a hitch (though I’m not ordering the new Hopper version).

After a long day yesterday - work, shoveling, evening appointment - I took two hit from my Hopper and it did me in. I slept well.

 

[kilo]

... but if your consumers find the vapor to harsh why do not come up with a good solution... maybe something unique and outstanding like your heating element...

I really think these sorts of "improvements" are best handled after-market. If people want to set the device on 5 and draw for 15 seconds all that's really needed is a short extension to the vapor path. Silicon tubing, a glass chillum, a hollowed out piece of blackberry cane — there are all kinds of things out there which will work. This is one of those cases where it's not rocket science — the Hopper itself is advanced technology but engineering a mouthpiece extension is something you can do in your garage.

(Hopper vapor is not nearly as hot as some of the hits I've experimented with on the NewVape FlowerPot — yikes, talk about an iron throat!)

 

[btka]

I really think these sorts of "improvements" are best handled after-market. If people want to set the device on 5 and draw for 15 seconds all that's really needed is a short extension to the vapor path. Silicon tubing, a glass chillum, a hollowed out piece of blackberry cane — there are all kinds of things out there which will work. This is one of those cases where it's not rocket science — the Hopper itself is advanced technology but engineering a mouthpiece extension is something you can do in your garage.

you are maybe right... but the difficulty here is that the grasshopper should still look descrete and I think hopperlabs can do it better then we can... so why do you think crafty/mighty and ghost dedicated there time into cooling units/solutions.(they could also let there consumer diy there own cooling solution).. when I buy a (portable) vaporizer I do not want to diy things later think of other consumer goods... they could also sell you a tv without remote controller I am sure you will find a way to turn on your tv with for example with a long enough stick...
do not understand why you all are trying to defend hopperlabs... it is definitly a problem that the vapor is harsh and this is a portable (discreet) vape... or the grasshopper would not be a portable per definition for me... and all this diy things do not work good, look strange or are not discreet...

 

[david8613]

I bet if you took a couple of screens or a couple of cooling balls and shoved them to the front part of mouth piece it would add a little bit of cooling absorbing heat.

@munnch I picked up that same case, so affordable I should have brought 2. it looks like this case was designed perfectly for the hopper. fits everything you need just right. hopper should sale these cases with a hopper logo.

 

[kilo]

do not understand why you all are trying to defend hopperlabs...

I'm not "defending" anyone; I'm suggesting that you might be able to come up with a solution yourself. See, there's not that much empty real estate lying around unused in a Hopper, so any vapor-cooling add-on is going to be external to the device. Just like the examples I mentioned. Personally, I don't find hot vapor to be an issue, nor do a lot of other users. There are advantages to having a short vapor path; there are advantages to a long vapor path; and there are drawbacks to each design as well. If hot vapor is an issue you might be better off with another vaporizer rather than expecting the company to come up with some sort of Franken-vape solution.

 

[btka]

I'm not "defending" anyone; I'm suggesting that you might be able to come up with a solution yourself. See, there's not that much empty real estate lying around unused in a Hopper, so any vapor-cooling add-on is going to be external to the device. Just like the examples I mentioned. Personally, I don't find hot vapor to be an issue, nor do a lot of other users. There are advantages to having a short vapor path; there are advantages to a long vapor path; and there are drawbacks to each design as well. If hot vapor is an issue you might be better off with another vaporizer rather than expecting the company to come up with some sort of Franken-vape solution.

I am sure they could find a solution which do not look like frankenvape, if you diy then it looks like franken-vape... and if you read this thread you will see that some do not like the harsh vapor... and also already diy cooling solutions... but I think nasa engineers like the people from grasshopper which also have engineering degrees will do much better then me or other people or you ...

but yes they do not have to do it but then they want not be the best portable vape and I will not buy a grasshopper from them as others also will do because vapor is to hot...

look samsung, sony and so on also do not have to give you a remote control but that would not be wise from them because then you would buy another brand tv with remote controll...

even vape critic was absolutly not happy with the hot grasshopper vapor...

also people did use the mouthpiece condom to be able to use the gh with water tools (bubblers) and gh came up with the pf mouthpiece... it would also help them generate new money when they sell it extra... I would appreciate it a lot and others also...