EverythingsHazy
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Source? That's a pretty strong claim.
The Official CannaBreak Thread
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archangelz001
FIRE!!
Is this opinion based on personal experience? Or do you have some study data to back up the statement that "CBD deepens the depression and reverses THC benefits?"
fernand
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Based on personal experience and trial and error dosing with a cancer patient. The reversal and blocking of THC effects have been been seen at the molecular level and anecdotally. The last published study I read was motivated by these reports, but under their test conditions they found it didn't seem to block short term memory impairment. This is an ongoing area of research, no shortage of studies:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=CBD+antagonism+of+THC
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=CBD+antagonism+of+THC
CarolKing
Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
I haven’t had much luck with CBD personally but it looks like it helps many medical patients with debilitating seizure disorders. Many have been successful with the CBD oil. THC works well for nausea and cancer.
Wrong thread to discuss this though. Don’t want to derail.
I can usually restart my tolerance after 48 to 72 hours of a break. Some folks need a longer break for a drug test. That can take a month or more.
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fernand
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Yes, sorry, I should have been clearer. I meant "garbage" as in "good shit, bad shit", and in contrast to all the money-motivated claims. By itself it's a strange bird, it's effective in seizures, and mixed with its brother and sisters of the cannabinoid clan, it's an important part of a balanced meal. It also has complex anti-cancer properties, especially on some cells. Back to topic.
archangelz001
FIRE!!
see my post in this thread : http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/official-cbd-discussion-thread.25801/page-8
hinglemccringleberry
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Baked-not-fried
riding the Cannabreak train...
Well, today is the very first day of my Cannabreak. Actually, I am moving towards a CanIquit? I have found myself feeling exactly like Graham in the above video. I've found I'm increasingly more lethargic. I don't initiate outdoor activity like I used to. I find I'm losing track of my thoughts and muttering while searching for the right things to say. I've found I'm having to smoke a shit ton of herb/wax and not feeling high, just normal. I find I actually feel a bit 'down' that I'm not feeling the highs like I used to. I notice in order to do anything 'fun', I need to try to get my high on. I really notice my very mild Afib more when I vape. I do believe I have hit the 'abuse' point. I am very familiar with addiction in my life as I am a severe alcoholic. Thankfully, I have not had a drink in 4+ years and counting! I just wanted to go somewhere and share my thoughts and here seemed like a nice place to start. Going to try and do a weekly post for sanity sake. Always looking for positive vibes. Thanks. Have an awesome day!
Jill NYC
Portable Hoarder
Good luck @Baked-not-fried
It sounds like those are very good reasons to take a break (perhaps permanently). Good for you for taking the first step.
Please continue to let us know how it’s going.
It sounds like those are very good reasons to take a break (perhaps permanently). Good for you for taking the first step.
Please continue to let us know how it’s going.
TheThriftDrifter
Land of the long vapor cloud
I've never been a heavy cannabis consumer, but I certainly understand the need for a break or to quit entirely.
After being introduced to and enjoying cannabis from my late teens through to my late twenties, I took an eleven year break, because it was no longer an enjoyable experience, it made me feel heavy and in an odd way sad. So I stopped.
Then I got chronically ill(along with long term pain thrown in for good measure) and was reintroduced to cannabis by a friend. I have since formed a more medicinal relationship with this herb.
Which then lead me in search of cleaner methods of consumption and then on to discover a wonderful place called fuckcombustion.
I love it when people find/realise what it is that they need to do, and then are empowered enough to begin the journey.
I know I'm going off topic here, but I just have to say....
You all on these forums are a bunch of amazing humans, who's sharing, stories, knowledge and kindness are awe inspiring.
Much love.
After being introduced to and enjoying cannabis from my late teens through to my late twenties, I took an eleven year break, because it was no longer an enjoyable experience, it made me feel heavy and in an odd way sad. So I stopped.
Then I got chronically ill(along with long term pain thrown in for good measure) and was reintroduced to cannabis by a friend. I have since formed a more medicinal relationship with this herb.
Which then lead me in search of cleaner methods of consumption and then on to discover a wonderful place called fuckcombustion.
I love it when people find/realise what it is that they need to do, and then are empowered enough to begin the journey.
I know I'm going off topic here, but I just have to say....
You all on these forums are a bunch of amazing humans, who's sharing, stories, knowledge and kindness are awe inspiring.
Much love.
hinglemccringleberry
Well-Known Member
Spontaneous t-break because I just don't feel like doing it because shit isnt going well in my life right now.
Diggy Smalls
Notorious
I haven't been around much because I've been on a break. It's good for me to take breaks.
EverythingsHazy
Well-Known Member
What's up, dude? You can vent here, if it helps your break along.
TheThriftDrifter
Land of the long vapor cloud
You can always vent in the fuck you thread.
Feel ya brother.
Think it's time for a break over here too, I'm getting absolutely zero benefits from vaping right now. And I've cut back exponentially, so it's not a tolerance issue. In fact now that I'm getting better effects, I don't even know if I like being high anymore.
Cannabis turned into a reflection of who I am. And I'm going through an identity crisis.
I could write so much more but I don't wanna make myself look like I'm drowning out everyone else's issues. I do wonder if some people are going through the same stuff though.
I just can't connect with people when I'm medicating. On here I can, all day in fact; but live and direct, nope. I'm a ghost.
TheThriftDrifter
Land of the long vapor cloud
Don't hold back if you need to share, we all are swimming in this same soup of life, sometimes having fun diving deep looking for whats underneath and othertimes struggling to stay afloat.
I just can't connect with people when I'm medicating. On here I can, all day in fact; but live and direct, nope. I'm a ghost.
At times I really just can't cope with people live and direct, medicated or not. I used to feel bad/guilty about it, but i've learnt to better listen to my own needs and I'm a better person for it.
Yes, FC is a great place to not be a ghost, many cool cats on these forums.
Kia Kaha - stay strong.
Mate, you are as little about yourself and as much about everybody else, as any other member on this entire forum, truly. In fact, despite your unabating, plain straight openess at all times, I personally would welcome you to share much more with us, if it helps, and if it feels right.
And being really honest despite you putting so much of yourself out there enabling us all to get a really good Feeling for the kind of person you are, I still feel like I barely know you in many ways.
Not because you are secretive or witholding, it's just what you said with this comment above made me realise that. And now I'm thinking it is because of your consideration towards others and not wanting to feel like you are offloading and putting on people or something along those lines but not quite that I'm sure.
I really don't mean to patronize you in anyway by suggesting I can imagine how you feel or think I'm just reading into things and really openly wish to encourage you to not feel this way and please feel free to share any feelings and thoughts and experiences you have us because I would say very decidedly that it would be overly and unnecessarily reserved of you to hold back in that regard on account of other people and certainly I don't think you need to feel concerned about overshadowing or distracting from others situations and stories here.
Sorry that you are having a difficult time with your identity and maybe direction in life and I genuinely empathize but I have faith in you as a person you are still very young and and when we Face difficulties we interpret these situations as bad and negative when in fact it is just part of our growth and development and journey through life like scaling a mountain.
Again really don't mean to patronize just offering some words of support but mainly to say that I definitely don't think you need to feel like you are spilling too much if you were to share a lot more with us, if it helps and you feel like it of course.
I myself too still need to find ways to motivate myself to abstain more from my cannabis usage, the difficulty is my ongoing dependence on edibles for digestive support with me being allergic to practically every other type of remedy or food out there which could assist with the situation otherwise.
And I just can't seem to make do satisfactorily with edibles and no vapour it would have to be t total I feel for it to work at all. The edibles just don't give me the same high and effect as vaporizing and is a bit of a tease with me being halfway there so I always end up vaping as well.
I am personally having the most extremely difficult time in life myself for multiple reasons. I battle on and strive for improvement with hope and there is Hope but it's hard being buried in such a deep ditch with such steep sides even if you can see which way you should go.
@invertedisdead have you considered the practice of microdosing psychedelics? I'm sure you are familiar with the concept which is emerging massively on the global scale right now and is incredibly interesting to me personally.
It would appear to be be rapidly replacing alternative mental health treatments for an increasing number of people.
It is not just of benefits for people with mental health problems such as anxiety depression and PTSD, but also is used for creativity and general lifestyle improvements and progress for which it appears to be equally effective and praised.
Anyway maybe have a think about it to see if it's something which might benefit your situation and current soul searching if we could call it that. A couple links, one is for an organisation in the US who are researching into microdosing psilocybin mushrooms and I believe they will provide you with daily microdosing capsules in exchange for feedback or something like that.
They certainly would be able to advise anyway and the other link is a general introduction to microdosing with one of the legal LSD 25 homologues 1plsd which has been circulating the world in high popularity for recent years in many countries, and is particularly suitable for microdosing because it is of 100% pure lab grade precise dose at 100 micrograms which you can never be as confident about with black market lsd-25 requiring more guesswork.
https://www.microdose4u.org
https://thethirdwave.co/microdosing/1p-lsd/
That's all, but thinking of you bro. I have seen you offer sincere and selfless support to so many people here over the years and I'm sure that everybody here will warmly return it should you need it yourself. Stay positive we can always be mindful of this.
Big shout out as well to everybody else going through difficult times it can be lonely but actually we are all in life together, wishing you all the solid best on your journey towards healing and happiness in life.
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EverythingsHazy
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In regards to your issue with edibles not giving you the same type of effects... Have you tried sublingual tinctures? By bypassing the liver and going straight into the bloodstream, they may be able to give a more satisfactory type of buzz.
Hi there. No I could neve4 tolerate anything like that. I cant take alcohol in any form or amount, not even 1 drop, and I would react to the product anyway by way of an unecessary immine response.
I cant take CBD in any form, and I tried rosin a year ago, pressed from my own tolerated flower and I was unable to use tge rosin without major respiratory suffering.
On paper rosin should be the far better option for me, but my immune system just rejects it.
Its unusual but in 99% plus of cases I will react adversely, almost whatever it is.
Just on what you say on the edibles bypassing the liver- coconut oil does this actually. Rit doesnt require the liver for digestion.
But edibles are just different in effects, however you make and consume them, and it will never be the same as vaping. I dont think it would work for a lot of people to switch from vapor to edibles exclusively.
It is just such a different high and type of effect, and in many cases is not what most people are looking for on a regular daily basis at least.
Thanks for the thought and suggestion mate hope you are doing well yourself.
Edit- haha, notice once again how my female friend has liked every single post here EXCEPT my own. Very nice and mature.
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hinglemccringleberry
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Thanks guys! It's great knowing that there are other like minded people out there and that we can support each other.
My THC usage is down more than ever. Getting high is something I only like when I feel a sense of accomplishment or feel like celebrating something. And getting REALLY high just doesn't do it for me anymore. It stifles me socially, and that's the last thing I need as I enter my midlife crisis. I'm gradually decreasing THC and increasing CBD flower consumption, I get CBD bud that has 0.1% THC max and I just realized I haven't vaped straight THC flower in a month. I do either 1:1, or CBD only. I have to say, CBD effects are really growing on me. Not to mention the stuff I get from Tweedle farms is really nice and gives the flavor and vapor density of THC bud and I get to keep my sober frame.
I used to be in the "what's the point of using flower if it doesn't get you high" boat. Now it's more like, "what's the point of using something that gives you social anxiety when you can use this other stuff that doesnt?"
My THC usage is down more than ever. Getting high is something I only like when I feel a sense of accomplishment or feel like celebrating something. And getting REALLY high just doesn't do it for me anymore. It stifles me socially, and that's the last thing I need as I enter my midlife crisis. I'm gradually decreasing THC and increasing CBD flower consumption, I get CBD bud that has 0.1% THC max and I just realized I haven't vaped straight THC flower in a month. I do either 1:1, or CBD only. I have to say, CBD effects are really growing on me. Not to mention the stuff I get from Tweedle farms is really nice and gives the flavor and vapor density of THC bud and I get to keep my sober frame.
I used to be in the "what's the point of using flower if it doesn't get you high" boat. Now it's more like, "what's the point of using something that gives you social anxiety when you can use this other stuff that doesnt?"
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EverythingsHazy
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Ah, damn, man. Are you allergic to alcohol, or just intolerant? What about CBD? The fact that you couldn't use plain, hot-plate, rosin is interesting, since there is no alcohol or butane in there.Hi there. No I could neve4 tolerate anything like that. I cant take alcohol in any form or amount, not even 1 drop, and I would react to the product anyway by way of an unecessary immine response.
I cant take CBD in any form, and I tried rosin a year ago, pressed from my own tolerated flower and I was unable to use tge rosin without major respiratory suffering.
On paper rosin should be the far better option for me, but my immune system just rejects it.
Its unusual but in 99% plus of cases I will react adversely, almost whatever it is.
Just on what you say on the edibles bypassing the liver- coconut oil does this actually. Rit doesnt require the liver for digestion.
But edibles are just different in effects, however you make and consume them, and it will never be the same as vaping. I dont think it would work for a lot of people to switch from vapor to edibles exclusively.
It is just such a different high and type of effect, and in many cases is not what most people are looking for on a regular daily basis at least.
Thanks for the thought and suggestion mate hope you are doing well yourself.
Edit- haha, notice once again how my female friend has liked every single post here EXCEPT my own. Very nice and mature.
I'm trying to think of the different ways people ingest Cannabis...
-Vaporizing (Dry Herb / Kief)
-Vape Cartridges
-Vaporizing extracts
-Vaporizing rosin
-Smoking w/ & w/o tobacco
-Edibles (baked goods / candies)
-Alcohol tincture
-Glycerine tincture
-Topical Salves
-Oils
Have you tried all of those?
Glad the thread has helped out a bit!
How dense is the vapor from the CBD flowers?
Good question and I'm not sure I can give you a categorically and technically correct answer according to true definition but I'm basically intolerant or allergic depending on how you want to use the terms to the alcohol, but let's just call it reactive.
I can't tolerate CBD at all in any form not even one drop it's just my immune system overreacting to generally anything highly medicinal and which exerts a healing balancing activity on the immune and other systems of the body.
I vaporize dry herb of course but it has to be my own produced organically without any real fertilizer because I'm allergic to all fertilisers practically and cannot use any other herb in the world that I know of which I can source.
I would not be able to tolerate any of the other methods you have listed. I have not even been able to use any toothpaste since 2005 now I just use Himalayan salt everyday I tried loads of natural toothpaste alternatives like bicarbonate of soda, bentonite clay, activated charcoal etc but everything is the same causing adverse respiratory reaction and excessive mucus production.
Edit- I do use home made edibles daily in the form of infused coconut oil but this is primarily for digestive support it's an absolute godsend is the Edible cannabis my digestive problems and sensitive system I couldn't manage without it.
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EverythingsHazy
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By the way, I don't mean to pry, so feel free to not answer whatever you rather not share.
Do you have a specific diagnosis for what is causing such a debilitating intolerance to so many substances? There has to be something going on. I've never heard of someone being unable to take any form of medicine.
To my knowledge, though, there is no CBD-free strain of Cannabis. Are you just unbothered by the microdoses of CBD or do you suffer from that?
Do you have a specific diagnosis for what is causing such a debilitating intolerance to so many substances? There has to be something going on. I've never heard of someone being unable to take any form of medicine.
To my knowledge, though, there is no CBD-free strain of Cannabis. Are you just unbothered by the microdoses of CBD or do you suffer from that?
Hey, just lying in bed about to go back to sleep, so I type this very bluntly and quickly just to give a gist.
I have mentioned this many times of course but you must have not seen it but basically I I've had a very severe case of full-blown Lyme disease from a single tick bite in 2004 and this is the root bottom cause of my condition and allergies because the borrelia bacteria bacteria which is is an infection of the nervous system completely messes up the immune and nervous system and leaves them in a dysregulated state which is essentially what "lyme disease" is, not an infection so to speak which triggers the condition my own bacterial infection was cleared over 2 years ago but the condition remains because it is not even about the infection anymore.
You may not have heard of people not being able to take remedies/medicines to my extreme because anybody in a similar situation to myself would be having such an incredibly hard time living a normal life if that you simply would not hear or see from them most likely I'm sure many people with the severity of my respiratory symptoms and adverse reactions would perhaps not have survived for this long i dare because the symptoms and potential complications if not managed and accounted for/anticipated thoroughly consistently every single day could easily be fatal. I have had to be so incredibly resilient and resourceful and imaginative in finding ways around these obstacles to try and live as normally and optimally and balanced a life as I can on but really it is all about survival literally.
I am without doubt the most overly and abnormal reactive person I have ever come across or known myself and is likely to be the case for everybody who has ever met or heard from me.
It's an extreme case involving my immune system being so dysregulated in a hyper reactive state ever since 2005 no matter what I do.
On the CBD being presents in most bud yes you've gotten the slightly wrong impression from me here I'm not saying I cannot have CBD entering my body at all I just cannot take CBD products because my immune system differentiates between the same substances in different forms and reacts selectively so my reaction to the pure CBD product is very severe and intolerable but the tiny amount of cbd that maybe present in my own flower is not triggering a big reaction in anything like the same way although i do still react allergenically to my own cannabis as i would to any medicinal or psychoactive substance ingested in any form, with very few exceptions.
I have tried everything and anything over the years and I'm incredibly mentally strong and resilient when it comes to riding things out and mind over matter but it is completely impossible to live with these adverse reactions even one day day to try one supplement just once is absolutely hell for one or two days until the reaction has completely worn off and nothing I ever experienced in my life up to the age of 25 came close to the difficulty of handling the symptoms and just the general package of of it all, day in , day out 365.
Easily 7 or 8 hours every day is required to continually clear the excessive mucus from my respiratory tract which is triggered by the ingestion of any food and virtually anything except plain water and two types of herbal tea there are no other teas or drinks I have tried which I can tolerate without adverse respiratory reaction.
I have tried all sorts of natural herbs and remedies and discovered some truly amazing healing and health supporting plants out there which benefit me extraordinarily in every single way except for the unnecessary immune respiratory reaction which is always unbearable.
I've not been able to tolerate any vitamin supplements or anything like that despite massive deficiencies and recommendations from the doctor it's just impossible to take any of them I've tried and tried and suffered too much to be interested in trying again when there is literally a 99% chance a new remedy or supplement will be exactly like the others.
I really don't have the answers and no way could anybody even possibly relate to my situation and what I describe without directly experiencing it because words just cannot convey how different ones life becomes when you have to permanently think 24/7 about managing this over reactive vessel and trying to live some sort of normal life which is completely impossible.
For example and I say this with Confidence (and respect) if you yourself or any random person from the street where to write down a detailed food intake diary for the past 3 weeks, I would put a great sum of money now that every single time you have ingested something, be it food, drink, herb, remedy, supplement etc.... I could almost guarantee that I would have a big problem with at least one thing being consumed every single time if not the vast majority of ingredients and food items making up that meal, drink or ingestion.
This is no exaggeration honestly the need for dietary and overall restriction and awareness of the problematic items is so extreme and comprehensive it's almost unbelievable.
So could you imagine if suddenly every single thing that yourself and normal people have been eating and consuming your entire lives without a second thought and just getting on with your daily stuff suddenly you would not be able to consume without unbearably severe reactions of all sorts, which in every single case are far more extreme and difficult experiences than you have ever experienced in your life until that point.
This apart from the whole illness itself and all of the complications and believe me there are many including multiple chronic long-term infections in my lungs I've had at least two infections in both lungs every single day since 2005 due to such heavily compromised immunity, most of the time that is between 4 and 6 infections in my lungs at the same time and this has been constant for the past 2 or 3 years now at this level.
The same for my bladder I have had urinary infections permanently since 2012 due to heavily compromised immune system in those areas as well as well as infections all over the place like sinuses throat intestines.
I treat and overcome the infections and I could clear everything 100% in say one month probably but my immune system is so compromised that I'm developing new infections faster than I clear them so it's just a battleground treading water and trying to stay on top as best I can which is incredibly difficult.
There are many cases of Lyme Disease out there which have been equally severe as my own and I would suggest that these people's situations and lifestyles are so extreme and challenging that you just do not hear of or from them because they are reclused away simply surviving one day at a time.
Recovering fully from Lyme disease, not just clearing the infection which is actually the easy part in my experience is incredibly difficult even if you have all of the money and resources in the world and no intolerances at all it can still take years and prove unachievable for many.
It would require a very comprehensive treatment and supplement program which apart from the fact I could never afford one relative penny towards I simply could not take any of the supplements anyway which has made my own situation all the more impossible when it comes to to maintaining nutrition and energy levels and treating infections and rebuilding and restoring the immune and nervous system essentially.
It is all or nothing. People can give me brilliant advice saying you need to eat this and do this and take that etc but 100% of the time I can't even consider it because of the reactions to everything.
Really sorry guys to say so much on this I'm just trying to give you a worthwhile insight @EverythingsHazy because if I just say a few words you would not possibly be able to fathom the type of extreme and unusual situation and condition I am talking about.
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