The ELEV8R from Elev8 Vehicles

[Alexis]

I would say .04 is ok, but you get a more full taste and medication using a larger load....say .09

Easy buddy. He means 0.4 not 0.04. You covered it all as always just wanted to touch on this.
@alex91 yes mate 0.4 is fine. So is 0.25 to 0.35. Maybe even more depending on material consistency.

And even less can work well too. At least 0.1 IMO but 0.15 to 0.3 or just above is probably my typical but variable load range. You just dont want to overload it. I do think it is best to keep the top of the load level with or just below the frosted glass line. Too high and it can ovrheat the top a little, sacrificing flavour and uneven extraction. Also can be too bunched up to shake and will def need a stir quite early in the load to keep the top from going brown and vapor gradually declining.

And yeah sure thing, @LabPong is right- THAT AIN'T NO CARB HOLE!
Lol, feel free to have a play with it if you like and let us know if you learn anything (like, "Kids- Dont play with fire!)

@alex91 keep asking bro if you have any curiosities we will try and help.

@LabPong i have been brainstorming on what best to do with my incoming quartz rigs. This needing to re-shape my coil was really bothering me. I dont think it will be possible to reduce tge inner ID now, I did try before after I overstretched it and it wont go back in any more now. Even if you can push it there it just springs back up and is no longer compressible in anyway. Much easier going the other direction.

And I really dont wanna mess my coil up. But actually in the long run I see this as being a good thing. We wont need to widen the coils so much in future for a big start.

So, my thinking- rather than risk messing up my coil which is working perfectly with my glass heater and risk not being able to use it with the glass again and still not get a satisfactory fit on the quartz for all I can guarantee.....

To me it makes more sense to just keep that coil as a back up which I know will work with glass and get another coil from China which will be another 20 odd quid, but it should be easier to get it to fit the quartz that way round and I would like to start afresh as not over stretch it in the first place.

Then I have the best of both worlds- hopefully a coil which works perfectly with the quartz heaters and the glass one as a backup without having to take risks and gambles and potentially be without.

What do you think bro? I think it makes sense but you are a very helpful sounding board so maybe you can let me know if I'm missing some vital logic here. Enjoy the rest of your weekend.

 

[LabPong]

Easy buddy. He means 0.4 not 0.04. You covered it all as always just wanted to touch on this.
@alex91 yes mate 0.4 is fine. So is 0.25 to 0.35. Maybe even more depending on material consistency.

oops...i missed that part.....duh....not enough coffee at that point this morning. lol 0.4 will be huge

Alexis....yea I think you should have a spare coil set to use the glass and one you use with the quartz. The thought of bending it back and forth is conceivable to me. I was nervous to do it a second time with my 15.8mm Auber coil....but it survived. I will have to get a spare coil for glass if I get another glass heater again. I am going to do one last test with my cracked glass one and put it to rest. My test with be with torch on the glass for cool down temps and taste profile checking after not using glass for a week. .....see below

can you taste any differences in the vapor signature between quartz and glass? Still deciding if it's worth picking up the quartz, so far I haven't heard anything that will sway me to make the purchase.

I felt there was a diff taste profile/signature using the quartz heater from the start. I have not used the glass one now since getting the quartz heater. My feelings are the same now after many days of use.

But I will start using the glass heater again for a bit to do another test as well. I have just finished checking the temp cool down using the quartz heater with a coil set at 690. I will do the same soon with the glass heater (it is cracked but barely usable....and probably for the last time). I will update my results of the glass cool down times after this one with the quartz heater.

Coil set at 690F and many draws so bowl was warm/hot. Left it sitting on my rig in the drop down joint.

Temp of heater just after removing the coil and exhausting the last draw.....465F (room temp 77F)


EDIT AFTER TESTING GLASS HEATER WITH TORCH (also torched quartz after glass for taste comparison). Also, my temps of the coil on the quartz after removing it were hard to establish as the heat dissipates so quickly. But temps 30 seconds and after were pretty accurate with my IR heat gun. Adding temps below from torching glass heater.

Time/TempF after :

Quartz/coil Glass/torch
1 min 265 403
2 min 219 301
3 min 179 239
4 min 153 196
5 min 134 160
6 min 126 154
7 min 111 129
8 min 104 119
9 min 99 113
10 min 94 107




I took several hits for the team here......2 good size helpings at 0.17g and 0.9g.

Now for taste profiles.....yea I can say the glass has a soft sense and the quartz has a more clear or sharp sense. I can not say at all if anyone is more "clean" tasting or sensing, just different. I am super sensitive so many may not even be able to tell the difference in taste between the two heaters....I would like to hear what others think after using both for awhile.

 

[Spelaeus]

Would buying an ir temp gun be helpful in dialing in heating times or making sure not to go overboard on a reheat (which has caused my only combustion issues so far)? If so, what temp range on the heater should one aim for?

 

[LabPong]

Spelaeus......I never used the IR temp gun to check the heat up points. For me.....I could tell fairly easy by using the back of my hand about 4 inches away from the heater....I could feel a certain amount and know that it is hot enough. But it is hard to gauge the lower temps it takes to get a more mild or medium hit.

When I use the coil...this is not even an issue obviously. So when you only have a torch to heat the glass, you will have to develop a certain timing pattern as you heat up the glass heater. I spin my rig around the flame 3 times at a slow pace and it is about 40 seconds. This is how I set my torch timing from the start of using the vape.

You will have to just go by time of torching to start with, but if you get a IR temp meter....you can tell easily when it is at a good heat and not to hot or not hot enough. I got my temp gun back in the 90's....but I think they are pretty cheap now. They also double as a beer temp checker too....haaa

 

[Alexis]

Okay my quartz heaters arrived today. Was it thursday or friday I ordered I forget now, but very fast Fedex.

I just tried it with my coil. Pretty wobbly on there so an unfair experiment I know but I just wanted to see what sort of vapor I could get and at what temperatures.

And with my current sick clip it was a secure enough fit. No need for adjustment. But I used one of the new ones that came. Stock bowl, coil temp 680 ish to start.

Load size- I vary but like my big loads. At least 0.3 to 0.4. But it was a surprisingky sticky and moist bud of this years Brooklyn Sunrise. I have been grinding and vaping from this jar of early harvested bits and bobs with no problem but this but obviously was much wetter.

Sticky as hell, and it stank. In my Kannastor Gr8tr it was the most stuck weed I have out in it yet. I had to pry it off if the teeth, usually I just brush quickly. There was ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in the colection chamber!!
It was all stuck on the plate. That has never happened to me yet, as a measure of how different this herb was to usual for the sake of this trial.I will try later with drier, well ground.

Right, I can see straight off that I am very surprised at how different the quartz heater is in performance, taste and even affects I believe. First of all, there is considerably more draw restriction than the glass, and looking at its I can see why because there is less space for the air to flow inside. I'm sure this could be seen as a good or a bad thing depending on personal preferences and water tools but my initial impressions are I much prefer the more open airflow of the glass heater.

Using my FC 186 bubbler I found it harder work than usual inhalation and breathing wise and was more worn out from the hole ritual. It just takes a bit more lung power and willpower to milk at tube up and clear it.

@LabPong DEFINITELY a taste difference. I noticed it right away not that it's a bad thing I'm sure the taste is more muted or neutral but not tainted I don't think accept it was making me think of something and I couldn't quite place it and then I figured it out - Carbonated water! Amd some other old scents like matrials on building sites or something.

Not unpleasant anyhow it's more a kind of freshness it's kind of strange but definitely different to the glass. Think of carbonated water next time and see if it resonates at all.
Vapor was light at 680, which isn't surprising given the stickiness, freshness and undergroundness of the material. I upped to 700. I got decent hits. Visible but not as dense as usual milk. But it was hard work due to the increased draw restriction. Still with more suitable herb there should be much better return for my efforts.

And it is possible that they added draw restriction could make for better and stronger hits anyway I will find out later. I can say- it was all VERY VERY SMOOTH. I'm sure that's my first ever experience using quartz in my cannabis and vaporizing life it wasn't interesting experience because I definitely noticed and felt differences.

Also, I am certain there is a very different quality to the vape signature. 100%. I am unusually intuitive and attentive to very minor things perhaps due to my extremely sensitive constitution and complex imagination. Also this was a different random bud from a Sinrise, very potent. So lots of diff variables.

But I have a very different hi to usual due to the different signature of the quartz heater I am 100% sure of that. I can't quite describe it but I'm definitely very medicated. This may be at the moment the only thing which makes me want to keep using the quartz rather than just going back to the glass heater which was working flawlessly for me.

I definitely want to explore these different effects I'm sure I will have to do some torching to get a better side by side comparison before I consider ordering another coil to fit the quartz heaters more tightly to optimise performance.

So my only real critiscism of the quarzt is the reduced airflow. I love the open flowing glass.
Taste is definitely more muted. But this will be both good and bad, and I think in general the vapor will seem slightly purer at all ends of the load stage, whereas with the glass you have two extremes starting with amazing towards the less pleasant. More testing needed to confirm this just a feeling I have.

And a different effect too. It may turn out to be slightly less debilitating or a little more uplifting we will see later on.

Buzz wearing down now but pretty strong bud we got this year wow! Barely got the cookies in the jar yet but enough (uncured) crumbs to tempt.

Back to this load and maybe some others. Big load too! More soon guys.

 

[Spelaeus]

Okay my quartz heaters arrived today. Was it thursday or friday I ordered I forget now, but very fast Fedex.

I just tried it with my coil. Pretty wobbly on there so an unfair experiment I know but I just wanted to see what sort of vapor I could get and at what temperatures.

And with my current sick clip it was a secure enough fit. No need for adjustment. But I used one of the new ones that came. Stock bowl, coil temp 680 ish to start.

Load size- I vary but like my big loads. At least 0.3 to 0.4. But it was a surprisingky sticky and moist bud of this years Brooklyn Sunrise. I have been grinding and vaping from this jar of early harvested bits and bobs with no problem but this but obviously was much wetter.

Sticky as hell, and it stank. In my Kannastor Gr8tr it was the most stuck weed I have out in it yet. I had to pry it off if the teeth, usually I just brush quickly. There was ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in the colection chamber!!
It was all stuck on the plate. That has never happened to me yet, as a measure of how different this herb was to usual for the sake of this trial.I will try later with drier, well ground.

Right, I can see straight off that I am very surprised at how different the quartz heater is in performance, taste and even affects I believe. First of all, there is considerably more draw restriction than the glass, and looking at its I can see why because there is less space for the air to flow inside. I'm sure this could be seen as a good or a bad thing depending on personal preferences and water tools but my initial impressions are I much prefer the more open airflow of the glass heater.

Using my FC 186 bubbler I found it harder work than usual inhalation and breathing wise and was more worn out from the hole ritual. It just takes a bit more lung power and willpower to milk at tube up and clear it.

@LabPong DEFINITELY a taste difference. I noticed it right away not that it's a bad thing I'm sure the taste is more muted or neutral but not tainted I don't think accept it was making me think of something and I couldn't quite place it and then I figured it out - Carbonated water! Amd some other old scents like matrials on building sites or something.

Not unpleasant anyhow it's more a kind of freshness it's kind of strange but definitely different to the glass. Think of carbonated water next time and see if it resonates at all.
Vapor was light at 680, which isn't surprising given the stickiness, freshness and undergroundness of the material. I upped to 700. I got decent hits. Visible but not as dense as usual milk. But it was hard work due to the increased draw restriction. Still with more suitable herb there should be much better return for my efforts.

And it is possible that they added draw restriction could make for better and stronger hits anyway I will find out later. I can say- it was all VERY VERY SMOOTH. I'm sure that's my first ever experience using quartz in my cannabis and vaporizing life it wasn't interesting experience because I definitely noticed and felt differences.

Also, I am certain there is a very different quality to the vape signature. 100%. I am unusually intuitive and attentive to very minor things perhaps due to my extremely sensitive constitution and complex imagination. Also this was a different random bud from a Sinrise, very potent. So lots of diff variables.

But I have a very different hi to usual due to the different signature of the quartz heater I am 100% sure of that. I can't quite describe it but I'm definitely very medicated. This may be at the moment the only thing which makes me want to keep using the quartz rather than just going back to the glass heater which was working flawlessly for me.

I definitely want to explore these different effects I'm sure I will have to do some torching to get a better side by side comparison before I consider ordering another coil to fit the quartz heaters more tightly to optimise performance.

So my only real critiscism of the quarzt is the reduced airflow. I love the open flowing glass.
Taste is definitely more muted. But this will be both good and bad, and I think in general the vapor will seem slightly purer at all ends of the load stage, whereas with the glass you have two extremes starting with amazing towards the less pleasant. More testing needed to confirm this just a feeling I have.

And a different effect too. It may turn out to be slightly less debilitating or a little more uplifting we will see later on.

Buzz wearing down now but pretty strong bud we got this year wow! Barely got the cookies in the jar yet but enough (uncured) crumbs to tempt.

Back to this load and maybe some others. Big load too! More soon guys.

Might be worth contacting 7th Floor to make sure that restricted airflow is normal. I don't have a glass heater to compare, but my quartz heater has very open airflow. Note that I'm only using the wpa. It's way more open than any of my other vapes on the bubbler (vapcap M with open carb and Fury 2). Mine is almost as open as pulling on the bubbler without anything attached at all, and I often have to remind myself not to pull too hard and cool things off too quickly.

 

[alex91]

Okay my quartz heaters arrived today. Was it thursday or friday I ordered I forget now, but very fast Fedex.

I just tried it with my coil. Pretty wobbly on there so an unfair experiment I know but I just wanted to see what sort of vapor I could get and at what temperatures.

And with my current sick clip it was a secure enough fit. No need for adjustment. But I used one of the new ones that came. Stock bowl, coil temp 680 ish to start.

Load size- I vary but like my big loads. At least 0.3 to 0.4. But it was a surprisingky sticky and moist bud of this years Brooklyn Sunrise. I have been grinding and vaping from this jar of early harvested bits and bobs with no problem but this but obviously was much wetter.

Sticky as hell, and it stank. In my Kannastor Gr8tr it was the most stuck weed I have out in it yet. I had to pry it off if the teeth, usually I just brush quickly. There was ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in the colection chamber!!
It was all stuck on the plate. That has never happened to me yet, as a measure of how different this herb was to usual for the sake of this trial.I will try later with drier, well ground.

Right, I can see straight off that I am very surprised at how different the quartz heater is in performance, taste and even affects I believe. First of all, there is considerably more draw restriction than the glass, and looking at its I can see why because there is less space for the air to flow inside. I'm sure this could be seen as a good or a bad thing depending on personal preferences and water tools but my initial impressions are I much prefer the more open airflow of the glass heater.

Using my FC 186 bubbler I found it harder work than usual inhalation and breathing wise and was more worn out from the hole ritual. It just takes a bit more lung power and willpower to milk at tube up and clear it.

@LabPong DEFINITELY a taste difference. I noticed it right away not that it's a bad thing I'm sure the taste is more muted or neutral but not tainted I don't think accept it was making me think of something and I couldn't quite place it and then I figured it out - Carbonated water! Amd some other old scents like matrials on building sites or something.

Not unpleasant anyhow it's more a kind of freshness it's kind of strange but definitely different to the glass. Think of carbonated water next time and see if it resonates at all.
Vapor was light at 680, which isn't surprising given the stickiness, freshness and undergroundness of the material. I upped to 700. I got decent hits. Visible but not as dense as usual milk. But it was hard work due to the increased draw restriction. Still with more suitable herb there should be much better return for my efforts.

And it is possible that they added draw restriction could make for better and stronger hits anyway I will find out later. I can say- it was all VERY VERY SMOOTH. I'm sure that's my first ever experience using quartz in my cannabis and vaporizing life it wasn't interesting experience because I definitely noticed and felt differences.

Also, I am certain there is a very different quality to the vape signature. 100%. I am unusually intuitive and attentive to very minor things perhaps due to my extremely sensitive constitution and complex imagination. Also this was a different random bud from a Sinrise, very potent. So lots of diff variables.

But I have a very different hi to usual due to the different signature of the quartz heater I am 100% sure of that. I can't quite describe it but I'm definitely very medicated. This may be at the moment the only thing which makes me want to keep using the quartz rather than just going back to the glass heater which was working flawlessly for me.

I definitely want to explore these different effects I'm sure I will have to do some torching to get a better side by side comparison before I consider ordering another coil to fit the quartz heaters more tightly to optimise performance.

So my only real critiscism of the quarzt is the reduced airflow. I love the open flowing glass.
Taste is definitely more muted. But this will be both good and bad, and I think in general the vapor will seem slightly purer at all ends of the load stage, whereas with the glass you have two extremes starting with amazing towards the less pleasant. More testing needed to confirm this just a feeling I have.

And a different effect too. It may turn out to be slightly less debilitating or a little more uplifting we will see later on.

Buzz wearing down now but pretty strong bud we got this year wow! Barely got the cookies in the jar yet but enough (uncured) crumbs to tempt.

Back to this load and maybe some others. Big load too! More soon guys.

Awesome review. About the differences, the condition of your herb as you described (sticky) and the “less well-suited” coil (since the glass fits a bit better) could have a big impact taste and effect wise, right? Maybe that could be the thing that has got you such differences. As you already said, I also think it needs more testing, which for us it’s a good thing, more testing = more baking

 

[Alexis]

@Spelaeus I hear you yes sure its still very open compared to vapcaps and many others. And this is kind of my point because I really don't go a bundle on draw restriction generally and that is another one of the things I love and have probably been taken for granted with the glass heater which is just noticeably more free-flowing to me.

@alex91 good logic bro. But this is the intesting thing- despite those other variables I could be 100% certain in my mind that this was the quartz heater having a different taste and affect. I just took my first hit of a more finally grounds drier load in the smaller bowl which doesn't need as high a temperature and the experience is the same very muted flavour in both directions which is good and bad. And certainly a different feeling as the cannabis high comes on which is essentially what vape signature boils down to I think.

I just did a load of kitchen tasks for sometime and I coped surprisingly well energy and stamina wise plus my organisational ability. These are aspects of living which I have found the Elev8r not to be so helpful personally and it has been quite a debilitating vaporizer for me in terms of my constructive achievements, motivation and energy etc.

It is too early to say yet still but that high I got felt like a different effect which may help me in this sense I describe we will see.

Something else hit me we changed our water filter cartridge tonight and that is another thing the quartz heater makes me think of when you don't change the cartridge soon enough you really notice a big taste difference when you do. It can take a little getting used to the fresh filtered water it's almost a little undesirable and that is kind of what the quartz is like.
Not undesirable I don't mean but that kind of fresh filteredness.

I honestly never expected there to be such a difference. On with my load!

Edit- this strain I'm vaping now is a really good one I saved from last summer nice and spicy like tomatoes really strong but it has always been quite harsh to vape maybe due to certain terpene profiles. And I can say that the tickly harshness is much less noticeable right now with this quartz heater as I kind of expected funnilly.

Taste more bland, but I'm sure it is smoother I swear.

Edit 2- Im also feeling extremely high. It is creeping up on me a bit like the Aromed, rather than the usual instant smack to the face. It really is so smooth you have to remind yourself to exhale I just did it now forgot I had taken a hit while I typed. Intetesting!

 

[LabPong]

Alexis, yes I agree with Alex that the fit of the coil, possible fit of clip holding the quartz in good, your flowers condition, and water change....may play a big role in your experience the first time.

First off.....I got 2 quartz heaters and the inlet holes are different sizes on both. I compared them to my glass heater and found the quartz heaters had holes that were bigger on one, and smaller on the other compared to the glass one I have. I picked the smaller hole to start with...it was just barely smaller than the glass one....but the other quartz heater has a hole that is bigger than the glass one. I will try that one soon.

Pending on your glass rig setup, you may or may not be able to tell of any draw resistance. But, I will say Alexis that I did not find any difference in draw resistance with my setup using the smaller holed heater. In fact I chose that smaller hole one because I wanted more vapor quicker. I want to have more heat on the load quicker and let it flow over it slower......like a slight carb capping effect....just much less obviously.


But I would think the bigger difference to me in performance comes from the size of the quartz heater compared to the glass one. My quartz heaters are about 7mm shorter than the glass one I have. That with the thinner wall makes me wonder if it is just not holding heat long enough. I thought when the quartz came out it would be thicker than the glass one....but I guess I know nothing of quartz compared to borro/pyrex glass. Just wondering what a taller (7 to 10mm) quartz heater might be like? I do feel like the quartz heater does not hold the heat long enough. I rarely can get a decent 2nd hit after blowing out the first one....maybe drawing again in 6 seconds or so. I can get good 2nd pulls off the glass heater like that.

Yea....it is a pain that you cant use the same coil shape on each heater. That is the biggest negative for me right now as I plan on getting a glass heater to replace my cracked one now. It would be nice to have the nub on them too!

 

[alex91]

Alexis, yes I agree with Alex that the fit of the coil, possible fit of clip holding the quartz in good, your flowers condition, and water change....may play a big role in your experience the first time.

First off.....I got 2 quartz heaters and the inlet holes are different sizes on both. I compared them to my glass heater and found the quartz heaters had holes that were bigger on one, and smaller on the other compared to the glass one I have. I picked the smaller hole to start with...it was just barely smaller than the glass one....but the other quartz heater has a hole that is bigger than the glass one. I will try that one soon.

Pending on your glass rig setup, you may or may not be able to tell of any draw resistance. But, I will say Alexis that I did not find any difference in draw resistance with my setup using the smaller holed heater. In fact I chose that smaller hole one because I wanted more vapor quicker. I want to have more heat on the load quicker and let it flow over it slower......like a slight carb capping effect....just much less obviously.


But I would think the bigger difference to me in performance comes from the size of the quartz heater compared to the glass one. My quartz heaters are about 7mm shorter than the glass one I have. That with the thinner wall makes me wonder if it is just not holding heat long enough. I thought when the quartz came out it would be thicker than the glass one....but I guess I know nothing of quartz compared to borro/pyrex glass. Just wondering what a taller (7 to 10mm) quartz heater might be like? I do feel like the quartz heater does not hold the heat long enough. I rarely can get a decent 2nd hit after blowing out the first one....maybe drawing again in 6 seconds or so. I can get good 2nd pulls off the glass heater like that.

Yea....it is a pain that you cant use the same coil shape on each heater. That is the biggest negative for me right now as I plan on getting a glass heater to replace my cracked one now. It would be nice to have the nub on them too!

Great analysis, maybe I’ll get a glass heater sometime. Does holding heat for a shorter time, as you said, mean wasting more material or it just means that you will have to heat the material more times than you’d with glass and end up being just as efficient?

Also, @LabPong , have you tested it using the coil or the torch?

 

[Diggy Smalls]

Great analysis, maybe I’ll get a glass heater sometime. Does holding heat for a shorter time, as you said, mean wasting more material or it just means that you will have to heat the material more times than you’d with glass and end up being just as efficient?

Less heat retention means more frequent heat up, but it won't waste product besides butane

 

[Alexis]

Def a different flavour profile guys 1000%. I honestly dont notice the flavour of my strains as much and the taste is more constant throughout the load. I torched a big load last night and confirmed in my mind all of the differences.

There is also definitely some noticeable added draw restriction, but I have only used it with my FC 186 bubbler so far and with this rig in particular you would notice a change in restriction.

For instance I would never consider using my vapcap with the FC 186. But it pairs perfectly with the FC UFO bubbler.

I do think my quartz heater has a slightly smaller intake hole than my glass one but only very slightly. But looking inside at the space between and around the indents, there is just less space for the air to flow through.

Milking the 186- I can get the vapor flowing pretty easily but it is much harder than usual to keep going for a good lengthy hit and then clear it it starts to become hard work way before the end of the hit.
Yes there are other variables at play with the coil not being tight enough but that should not effect airflow or flavour profile.

Funny though how we seem to have less heat retention reported with the quartz when this was it's strongest attraction building up alongside durability of course. Some irony there.

The flavour difference is so strong for me I'm going to Iso soak my heater to see if that makes a difference but this could just be what Quartz is like with vaporizing. There is a lot more to heating something than we understand so air at the same temperature heated by quartz and Glass will behave differently in more ways than we currently imagine.

On the plus, holding heat for less could make for a smoother experience generally. Once heat up times are dialled in it should slightly reduce the risk of combustion. At those times, as with my vapcap, I can see it coming and building and if I stupidly keep drawing- Bham! Yellow vapor!

So verdict still out on quartz but plenty of time for more impressions (and plenty of Brooklyn Sunrise for that purpose too.)

 

[almost there]

That worries me that all you quartz heater owners are only stating that the taste profile is different but no one has actually said its better in any way or they like it more over the glass heater. So far besides possible improved durability (which hasn't been confirmed), are there any advantages to the quartz since longer heat retention is out the window? Guess I'll wait and see if the quartz heater will be improved with the second batch following all the input from new owners

 

[LabPong]

Most of my use with the new quartz is by coil....only a few torching so hard for me to give any opinions there just yet.

Don't think that there is a taste diff that is bad....it is just a diff signature taste. As Alexis mentioned, there is no foreign taste or anything that seems like it does not belong. It is not a problem for me after testing 4 or 5 strains that I have been using for some time now. Most of them are pretty pungent and strong anyway, so noticing the difference here might be easier with less quality flower? I will see....just give me a few weeks to work those flowers in my daily scheduled....lol

For me, quartz heater holding heat as long as glass, does not affect me in any way except trying to get a double draw off it.....which I seldom do. Since I have been using the coil.....this is not even an issue at all. But if you are torching.....it could be pending on how you use the vape. And also, no loss of efficiency or waste of flower at all.


I too was under the impression that the quartz heater would be more dense in some way....thickness I was hoping. But I have no experience with quartz at all....never do dabs or banger parts. But yes..I was thinking we were going to get something that held the heat longer with the quartz.

Will not know for sure about durability issues until many months go by I think. But with the large amount of reported glass heaters cracking.....I would rank durability super high with this vape if the quartz heaters prove to be what they should be.....a ton less breakable.

 

[virtualpurple]

I too am disappointed that folks aren’t finding improved heat retention with their new quartz heaters. That was definitely something we were clamoring for.

 

[Alexis]

I too am disappointed that folks aren’t finding improved heat retention with their new quartz heaters. That was definitely something we were clamoring for.

This reminds me of the classic song line "Be careful what you wish your dreams are quartz in your hand".

 

[LabPong]

As I mentioned, I have no experience with quartz and not sure what the quartz bangers are like compared to glass bangers? Are both used in dabbing rigs? Is the quartz normally thicker if so?


I would think if the quartz on the elev8r was thicker, or at minimum....much larger mass with added height...that would help to get better retention.

I wonder if the tolerances of size on the quartz heaters is much much tighter than on the glass ones?

Anyone get more than 1 quartz heater and find them being different size in length?

Both of my quartz heaters are 48mm tall.

 

[Alexis]

As I mentioned, I have no experience with quartz and not sure what the quartz bangers are like compared to glass bangers? Are both used in dabbing rigs? Is the quartz normally thicker if so?


I would think if the quartz on the elev8r was thicker, or at minimum....much larger mass with added height...that would help to get better retention.

I wonder if the tolerances of size on the quartz heaters is much much tighter than on the glass ones?

Anyone get more than 1 quartz heater and find them being different size in length?

Both of my quartz heaters are 48mm tall.

Well we know 7th Floor had some initial challenges working with the quartz and I expect the current shape and design was kind of forced upon them to make it work at the time.

So I wonder how easy it would be for them to implement changes in future which would bring about the kind of functional improvement we are talking about.
I ISO'd my Q heater today. I went back to the glass last night and unquestionably the flavour is so much more noticeable and truly representative of the herb that goes in this is quality I find to be missing so far with the quartz heater.

 

[alex91]

Just to be sure, with the Big Buddy you guys talked about a 45 seconds heat up time (first time). Is it 45s with the gas at max or medium? I will test it tonight or tomorrow and will let you know how it went .

Also, not sure this applies in our case, but it could help to explain the differences you are dealing with.

Also, there are some boro vs quartz discussions in here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/VapeXhale/comments/7k3v8v/quartz_vs_boro_not_sure_i_believe_the_hype/

 

[Alexis]

Just to be sure, with the Big Buddy you guys talked about a 45 seconds heat up time (first time). Is it 45s with the gas at max or medium? I will test it tonight or tomorrow and will let you know how it went .

Gas always at the very lowest flame. That is all you need and is actually optimum. My Big Shot flame is a bit bigger on lowest and I got better, tastier and more consistent hits with the Big Buddy but I exchanged it for the Bigshot because I have hand/wrist issues with repetitive strain injury, and the big buddy was a problem for me needing 2 hands and a lot of thumb force to ignite.

The Bigshot is much easier to ignite, but much heavier and more awkard as well and IMO the Big Buddy pairs better with the Elev8r. Lucky I use my coil primarily now.

Regarding heating times- depending on your exact technique (i.e. flame distance fir one) 45 seconds may be too long. I would try 35-40 seconds first and adjust from there. It really is quite easy to overheat and exhaust and brown the load quickly without getting as much effect from it you want to avoid this. Similarly unrewarding weak hits from under torching can also drain the load bit by bit in an unsatisfying manner.

So it is about finding that balance between I'm sure you will do just fine and you will love this vape, hope so anyway. Thanks for all your positive contributions here I look forward to hearing about it later.

 

[Diggy Smalls]

Good advice there from @Alexis
I don't ever have to heat for 45 seconds, and I put my torch on medium. The high flame will heat it up even quicker, but that doesn't make it better. I go about 30 seconds on medium flame all up on the heater. I only have experience with the glass heater, but the quartz should heat up and cool down a little quicker.

To the people asking about the thickness of quartz in regards to bangers, the thicker bottomed quartz bangers will hold heat a little longer because it's thicker, but they also take longer to heat up.

 

[Alexis]

but the quartz should hear up and cool down a little quicker

Yep this would actually seem to be the matter of fact for quartz as the science above courtesy of @alex91 displays.

So what a clever and educated community of vaporists we must be to have shared this collective illusion not backed up at all by science or history- that quartz will hold heat for LONGER!!

Honestly I feel like we are combined like an Autobot to make one giant dummy!
I wonder were @7thFloorVapes aware of this reduced heat retention of quartz? Or did you guys get caught up ih the merry-go-round as well, just blindly accepting the idea that the opposite would hold true? Maybe you never gave it any real thought, and were motivated mainly from a durability point of view?

No need to answer that. I just find it a little funny how we all lived under this illusion without actually checking the facts. Not directing these apparent (insults) at anybody more than myself. Myself excluded, I thought we were cleverer than that right?

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[Danksta]

I too am disappointed that folks aren’t finding improved heat retention with their new quartz heaters. That was definitely something we were clamoring for.

Besides durability that was what I wanted. No point in buying the new heaters from the sounds of it.

Bummer.

 

[just_the_flu]

I just find it a little funny how we all lived under this illusion without actually checking the facts.

 

[Diggy Smalls]

Lol you're cracking me up. I am interested in the increased durability, and I was pretty sure from my experience that it heats up quick, but I never take more than one pull from my quartz bucket, so I was pretty clueless about it's heat retention, but I know a lot of people were looking forward to it. I always reheat after each pull on the Elev8r too, so it's not likely to be a bad thing for me.
Group think? I don't know. I am ready persuaded lol I like the thought of us being dumb witted robots that form together and go on autopilot