The Nomad From Morwood

Kalessin

Well-Known Member
My Nomad is working great, and I love it. The only issue I’ve had is the too-strong (for me) spring. Occasionally, I’ll get no heat, only to realize it’s because I’ve let up slightly on the button (usually on the 3rd or later draw, for the obvious reason). It’s an easy fix though, and Dan is addressing it.

Aside from the above, this thing is wrecking me. Speaking subjectively, I believe it gets me higher faster than any of my other vapes.

On an objective (?) note, I was hospitalized Friday night by a significant runaway high blood pressure incident, heart attack symptoms and all (fun times). When the paramedics came, and saw my herbs and my Nomad on the coffee table, they gave me the speech about the dangers of demon weed and it’s effect on blood pressure. So, there you have it, MY NOMAD ALMOST KILLED ME! :rofl: This thing, regardless of it’s diminutive size, is a BEAST! :rockon: Be careful, or you too may suffer the woes of the Nomad.

I’ll end by stating my opinion that it’s worth every penny I paid for it. And if it kills me, I’ve asked my wife to be sure to list it in the FC classifieds, so it’ll go to a good home. :wave:
Ha, that's funny, people spouting off random bullshit. I know weed can raise your blood pressure in the short term, but research says that it lowers it in the long term and I'm pretty sure you're a long term user, so...
 
Kalessin,

RelaxedNow

Well-Known Member
Yeah, I’m sure those paramedics are well-read on the subject of the effect of weed on blood pressure...NOT. Yes, they were just spoutin’’ bullshit, and claiming it was science. You can rest assured it wasn’t the weed....it was that BEAST, my NOMAD! BE CAREFUL OUT THERE, FOLKS! :leaf: :lol:
 

Fat Freddy

FUCK CANCER TOO !
Okay people, it has been a while since you lucky first batchers received your Nomads, so how about some feedback on its performance. Vapor production, quality of vapor, battery life, stir or not necessary, which heater you prefer, ease of use, etc. Hearing nothing about the Nomad's performance is kind of odd. They are without a doubt the most beautiful and skillfully crafted vaporizer on the market, in my humble opinion, but bottom line is how it performs compared to other unregulated on-demand convection vaporizers. The Nomad is an expensive vaporizer, probably one of the most expensive portable vaporizers, and its workmanship, attention to details, and quality of materials is at the top of the class, so the price is understandable. Understandable only if the Nomad performs as well as it looks, or at least as well as any others currently available. So please, give those of us patiently waiting for our own to be built and delivered, your honest assessment of how your Nomad is performing.

I can't speak for all the Nomad recipients but I'm waiting to receive Dan's care package before posting my impressions. (see his post above) I wouldn't doubt many others are as well.

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Shit Snacks

Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
Just an FYI, @Dan Morrison is still working on mine and it will be the last to ship from batch 1.

I've told him I'm in no rush and would rather he takes his time and incorporates any amendments identified such as widening the battery compartment and including a heater screen.

I'm currently waiting on a mockup of my custom design but again @Dan Morrison, I'm in no rush.

Yup mine must be going out right before yours (and any other customs waiting) then, also hoping for all those upgrades you mentioned so I don't need to do a thing other than vape :tup:
 

Copacetic

Somewhere North of The Wall
My Nomad is working great, and I love it. The only issue I’ve had is the too-strong (for me) spring. Occasionally, I’ll get no heat, only to realize it’s because I’ve let up slightly on the button (usually on the 3rd or later draw, for the obvious reason). It’s an easy fix though, and Dan is addressing it.

Aside from the above, this thing is wrecking me. Speaking subjectively, I believe it gets me higher faster than any of my other vapes.

On an objective (?) note, I was hospitalized Friday night by a significant runaway high blood pressure incident, heart attack symptoms and all (fun times). When the paramedics came, and saw my herbs and my Nomad on the coffee table, they gave me the speech about the dangers of demon weed and it’s effect on blood pressure. So, there you have it, MY NOMAD ALMOST KILLED ME! :rofl: This thing, regardless of it’s diminutive size, is a BEAST! :rockon: Be careful, or you too may suffer the woes of the Nomad.

I’ll end by stating my opinion that it’s worth every penny I paid for it. And if it kills me, I’ve asked my wife to be sure to list it in the FC classifieds, so it’ll go to a good home. :wave:
LOL! (not laughing at your medical misfortune) dude , that's some endorsement :rofl:.

I wonder if Argo stems are the same size as Nomad (not that I think the glass screen would have great advantages over a conventional one).

Like CL52613 I too pounce on any posts here to see if they are performance reports, so thanks for that Relaxed :tup:

Bronze back plate for me please @Dan Morrison, except in the unlikely event that you determine that it's the wrong material for the job.
Bronze is very cool, and I love the way it patinates.

I imagine that with the care packages etc that you are still to make a start on the 2nd batch.
Did you find more box elder that meets the Nomad needs?

I saw a nice Boxelder burr box on Insta by "from_the_tree":

https://www.instagram.com/p/BjsDx75nn-6/?hl=en&taken-by=from_the_tree

Astonishing wood :drool:
 

little maggie

Well-Known Member
My Nomad is working great, and I love it. The only issue I’ve had is the too-strong (for me) spring. Occasionally, I’ll get no heat, only to realize it’s because I’ve let up slightly on the button (usually on the 3rd or later draw, for the obvious reason). It’s an easy fix though, and Dan is addressing it.

Aside from the above, this thing is wrecking me. Speaking subjectively, I believe it gets me higher faster than any of my other vapes.

On an objective (?) note, I was hospitalized Friday night by a significant runaway high blood pressure incident, heart attack symptoms and all (fun times). When the paramedics came, and saw my herbs and my Nomad on the coffee table, they gave me the speech about the dangers of demon weed and it’s effect on blood pressure. So, there you have it, MY NOMAD ALMOST KILLED ME! :rofl: This thing, regardless of it’s diminutive size, is a BEAST! :rockon: Be careful, or you too may suffer the woes of the Nomad.

I’ll end by stating my opinion that it’s worth every penny I paid for it. And if it kills me, I’ve asked my wife to be sure to list it in the FC classifieds, so it’ll go to a good home. :wave:
Unfortunately there really isn't a lot of research out there yet about the pros and cons of cannabis on blood pressure. There is some but not much. The main thing I've read is the short term effect on blood pressure. I have blood pressure and heart issues as well. I went through a period of checking my bp before, right after, and a couple of hours later. My bp went a little higher right after vaping but was back to normal the next time I checked. And on a purely subjective experience: I take meds for blood pressure. But I've noticed that my bp is actually low (a good low not too low) in the morning before I take my meds.
 

Dan Morrison

Well-Known Member
Manufacturer
@RelaxedNow , oh shit! That's scary! Hope it's a passing anomaly. Your post was an emotional roller-coaster! haha!

About the button. I'll be offering up weaker springs in the near future. With the lubed button and weak spring, it's super easy to press and hold.

@Shit Snacks , Yours is done! Photos shortly.

As for the bronze. I won't be changing, or offering up brass as an option, there are no advantages once the button lube is applied.

I would like to offer sterling silver in the future... but that'll be a costly add-on, and I need to brush up on my silver-smithing before I tackle that. But I think it'd be awesome. Especially with a black/grey patina.

@Copacetic , I've got some insane box elder burl coming in the mail, will post pics when it arrives. I've been waiting on my burl guy to get it in stock... and he delivered big time!

Also, I follow that From_The_Tree guy too, he has a good eye for burl, that's for sure!
 

KeroZen

Chronic vapaholic
KZ's early Nomad pre-review

Speaking of feedback, I've been postponing my review for too long. I started writing it last week but lost it inadvertently due to an unexpected browser restart... I also wanted to have sufficient experience with the product to get a clear picture. At the same time, I feel it's better to let Dan know early on so he can eventually implement changes for next batches if needed.

Apparently it's becoming normal these days to shamelessly tell other people online that you didn't have time to read what they wrote when it's too long (the infamous tl;dr) While I can understand why one could have many valid reasons not to read a lengthy piece, why tell the author? It's insulting, especially when the person put obviously a lot of efforts into producing an elaborate and well-thought post.

As a response, people proactively anticipate this behaviour and include brief and to the point summaries. This is exactly what I'm going to do, because yes, this is going to be a very long post. I just loaded my Nomad to give me motivation, and I encourage you to do the same with your favorite vape of choice (soon a Nomad I hope?) and prepare a good drink for good moisturizing measure. For me it's going to be Cinderella 99 over a cup of Rooibos.

tl;dr
  • The Nomad is overall an awesome portable vaporizer
  • I don't regret my purchase at all
  • There is room for improvement
  • It's not a vape for beginners
  • It can be inconsistent and even a bit finicky at times
  • When it works well it's excellent

Introduction and disclaimer

This is a pre-review only: although I think I get the hang of it, I still reserve my final judgment, as I received it not too long ago and I might still discover new aspects or less obvious details. It has been my only portable vape on a daily basis, immediately coming into my top 5. I still use my Zion plugged in with the power adapter at home, because the longer vapor path allows for even cooler vapor and I don't need to worry about battery charge levels.

I'm also testing in parallel the FlowerMate 5-Nano, as I owe my Smiss contact a review for the free unit I got. You might wonder why I even mention it, as they are complete opposites, but that's precisely what is interesting. Besides they have some similarities: very similar size and form factor, both with a single removable 18650. But one is full convection and a piece of fine craftsmanship sold at a premium price, while the other is full conduction mass manufactured, albeit to very good standards, and aimed at the bottom end of the price segment.

So I will try to do some cross-comparisons when it makes sense. While I got the FM5-Nano for free, I paid the full retail price for my Nomad. I have no vested interest in either companies, just a good relation with Dan and my Smiss contact.

As a disclaimer I need to precise that I use all my vapes exclusively dry, no water tools or filtration ever. My hits seem rather big and cloudy to me, but apparently they are uber small compared to what other members with iron lungs can pull. I don't cash my bowls in 3 hits but rather 30-40 (I don't really count anymore but that's a difference I noticed over the years in the various threads where I participated) So my review must be taken in the light of this information, what works for me might not work for you. But I did test a lot of vapes already, I should be at least able to make meaningful comparisons seen from my very personal point of view!

Finally I need to apologize for not posting more pictures to go along this review. We're having issues with imgur lately. But I posted some already in the previous pages.


High hopes and high expectations

Did I expect more from the Nomad than the Nano? Of course! When you don't pay for something, you subconsciously tend to put less value into it. And on the other hand, I don't think I ever paid so much for a vape until now, the Nomad is not cheap by any mean. So there is that, for sure. But not only.

The Nomad was born and raised FC. It started with just a "mood book", an intention. Re-read the first pages of this very thread and you'll see where we come from. It was just a vision, a concept of some contraption evoking the future as well as a lost and forgotten past at the same time. Call it steam-punk? Maybe, but that would be almost insulting, it's more than that.

We watched it grow and evolve (and I'm glad it departed from the flame-powered initial idea, otherwise I wouldn't be there to report right now) and it was quite a long ride in the end. We've had companies doing their beta-testing openly on our forum several times in the past, but this one was collaboratively conceived and prototyped right under our eyes, and with our direct input and feedback. The same happened with the Zion back then (although surely less openly as the Z-team mostly operated under closed doors) and that's maybe why I'm so fond of it?

I don't think the Nomad would be like it is without us. I'm not trying to diminish Dan's involvement of course, that would be foolish, he did all the hard work. But our community was an integral part of the design process, so this is somehow our vape. We put very high hopes into it, and Dan put the bar pretty high.

So does it live up to our expectations? That's what we are going to see, and I will let you judge. For me it became an instant favorite and ousted the iHeat and Project Pure SF from my daily rotation, so that says a lot already...


Unboxing and package contents

What a contrast between the Nano and Nomad here! The Nano came inside a gorgeous packaging typical of Shenzhen Chinese vapes and reminiscent of Apple designs. Using all kind of modern techniques and tricks: embossed glossy print layers, cutouts and folding flaps, with a substantial multi-lingual color-printed user manual and many accessories etc.

In comparison the Nomad small cardboard parcel felt very spartan and empty! Just the unit bubble-wrapped, a couple of stems with screens pre-inserted, the second heater module, two Allen keys, and a thank-you card... plus a tuft of hair! Hah, sorry, I'll stop now, not the same joke twice okay! :p

I didn't expect mass-production style packaging nor a manual, but here is what I would have liked:
  • more pre-formed screens, those are cheap and Ryan @ RBT used to drop a handful of them in every package. Here we just have two pairs, one for each stem. That's a bit meager. Lose a single one and you'll be sorry.
  • there are no spare o-rings for the stem collar. Again I was used to getting spares when I bought the various "Project" versions from Pipes. These o-rings do tend to shred and rip apart over time, especially with multiple daily stem insertions and removals, so for me they are consumable products and there is not a single spare in the box.
  • instead of two stems of the same length, maybe I would have preferred a standard one and a longer one for variety (more on that later)
  • maybe a small carrying soft pouch, like RBT's pure hemp fiber bag. A dry herb vape in a bag made of the same plant you vaporize is a nice touch. But I understand Dan has premium solutions for the pouch... although surely out of reach for most of us.
I'm not hobbo'ing for accessories here, just sharing ideas for improvements that wouldn't lower Dan's margin by any significant amount.
 
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KeroZen

Chronic vapaholic
First impression, ergonomics and physical aspects

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, that's for sure. But let's be honest: this got to be one of the sexiest and most beautiful vapes on the market today. Some favor function over form, but here we have both. It's both beautiful and functional. It's so remote from the "power tool" look of S&B vapes for instance, and all these plastic devices.

It's also considerably better looking than my other wooden vapes like the Firewood, Zion, Milaana and MistVape Touch. So much more refined and delicate, so much more attention to details... But let's not hang on the visual aspects for too long, as we've been fed with pretty pictures for months already and we all know how good it is.

The fact that you can customize the sleeve and the two wood tones really helps to create a bond with the vape. Maybe it will not please everyone but at least it will please you personally and that's what matters the most I think? The only vape that I remember where we could customize that much was the Ascent (they even had a web page to mockup your designs and you had quite some freedom)

The vape is small. As I said earlier when I posted size comparison pictures, it's not Pax-small but it's a small vape, very compact. Dimensions are very close to the FM5-Nano but it's bigger than the FM5-Mini-Pro. I don't have large hands at all but I can almost fully "palm it".

When in use it looks like if you were drinking from some small flask... or like if you were sucking your thumb like a toddler! It's super stealthy. The stem protrudes very little and I like that. At the same time you end with your nose very close to your hand and the top of the vape, I understand how it might feel a bit uncomfortable for some. This is another reason why a longer glass stem could be a very nice option to have: there is room for extra length without defacing the vape aspect ratio too much and before it starts looking like a walkie talkie with its long antenna (a problem with the Project, Splinter, iHeat and other 510 attachment based vapes, even when using a SBS-design mod box)

The vape without the cell is quite light. But it feels solid. Mine is from dense blackwood so the sensation is surely exacerbated. With the cell and sleeve there's some good weight to it. Feels good and secure in the hand.

From an ergonomics perspective, it's well designed. There are numerous ways to hold it with either hand (I'm left-handed but this is more of a right-handed vape) and you can operate the trigger with your thumb or your index. Many orientations and finger placement combinations work, too many to count in fact. I'm sure you'll find a comfortable way to hold it.

When using the sleeve the vape has a dry and textured feel to it. Being border-line autistic, this is not necessarily a sensation I like. I tend to use it without the sleeve most of the time, in which case it feels super silky smooth. The downsides are that the wood corners are sharper than the sleeve ones, and you can't rest the vape on it's bottom when there is none (the bottom is part of the sleeve) But I don't recommend having these glass stem vapes standing upright anyway, same for Milaana and MVT: it's a disaster waiting to happen, always rest on the side (and in the Nomad case, lichen-button facing up in order to avoid scratching it on hard surfaces)

In comparison the Nano has a wider radius on the rounded corners and feel slightly more comfortable to hold. The Nomad has some radius on the sleeve but not as much. The wood corners are not very sharp either, they are polished and smooth yet you feel them if you hold the vape firmly.


The sleeve

The sleeve is most probably stronger than what you imagined when reading it was made of paper. The process Dan used makes it feel more like wood, say balsa or impregnated thick cardboard. It's probably very durable as advertised.

Unfortunately and it's completely my fault, I chose a very light (white and light grey/blueish) pattern, it's not stain proof. I'm not OCD at all, but since the vape is so beautiful I try to keep it clean as most as possible, so I wash my hands every-time I need to touch the sleeve, and I prohibited all my surroundings from touching it with their dirty-hands (my precious I told ya!)

I don't know how it would clean off, perhaps a barely moist sponge would work. But if you scratch it with your nail it will leave a mark. So be careful during transport also. I put mine in some kind of small sock that I bought a while ago to carry my mp3-player back then (you saw it pictured in my previous teaser post) But it's a bit tight and rubs against the sleeve so I'm concerned it might fade the picture over time... oh well, I'll need to get over it at some point! It's like when you get new shoes, you try to keep them clean until someone steps on your toes or spills some drink on them, and then you stop caring!

It was very hard to remove at first. Especially after a session when the wood is hot. I had a few episodes where I couldn't remove it and had to let the vape cool down. Not optimal when you are in the middle of a session and the battery is too low... or if you want to swap heater modules.

But now it's getting better. I still do prefer using and holding the vape naked without its sleeve. I feel closer to the wood, it's softer, I can feel more directly when and how much it heats up, as you need to watch that parameter when chaining hits. Because yes, you can chain hit it like crazy, it's the beauty of pure convection vapes compared to conduction ones: you don't need to let the heater recover between hits. So by feeling the wood you can judge when it's the right time to wait 30 seconds to let it cool down. You don't want to stress the wood body too much.

That being said it's not feeling overly hot even at the end of a session. Clearly less than the Nano and similar vapes having an aluminium shell acting as a heat sink / spreader. I never ever burned myself by touching any part of the Nomad, even the stem and heater module.

So I put the sleeve on during transport, or for the show when with other people. Otherwise I use it naked. It's easier to swap the cell and adjust the contact bridge tension and wipe it this way. But don't worry, removing and putting back the sleeve to swap the cell is not a chore at all. It's almost as fast as with a mod-box having a magnetic door, and clearly faster than a box having a battery cap you need to screw on (like the eLeaf Pico for instance)


The button

Ah that lichen... it's like a marble. A small world encapsulated in resin. Excellent. Both visually and from a functional point of view. Should fit most finger sizes. Don't know about ladies with long nails though... :p

There's not much travel to it. But yes the spring is quite strong. If you have a condition with your hands it could be problematic maybe. But at the same time it's a perfect safety addition. It should be pretty hard to accidentally depress it during transport (well you should disengage the contact bridge in this case, but if you forgot this is an added safety)

A weaker spring will likely get us reports of charred Nomads like we have in the Milaana and Zion threads. So that's a dual-edged sword.

Since I read Dan's recommendations about arcing and contact resistance, I was always very careful to press the button strongly, hearing a good 'click' every-time. But I had very briefly on one occasion or two the bronze backplate getting warmer nonetheless. Nothing dramatic though.

I disassembled it once already to check, and couldn't detect any deposit or micro-welding trace so I think it's fine. Disassembly was straight-forward. I feared the button would turn in its slot making it hard to align the screw hole perfectly vertical but it went smoothly.

But I do have two remarks to make:
  • The part wiping against the battery terminal will undoubtedly wear over time. And I see a problem here because this part is also the female socket where you enter the Allen key for disassembly. If the metal "smears" and deforms due to the friction, maybe it could prevent the tool insertion at some point, in which case it would be very hard to remove the button again.
  • The button resin surface is susceptible to scratches, if not careful it will probably dull over time and be less transparent, clouding the poor lichen forever...
Finally, I stand by my early suggestion: it would be awesome to have an option to order a button with a chunk of bud inside, with well preserved trichomes and colored pistils, that would be gorgeous. Maybe an idea for after-market suppliers amongst us if Dan is unwilling to for legal reasons? :brow:
 
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KeroZen

Chronic vapaholic
Choice of materials and olfactory perception

While I love the materials Dan chose and I'm entirely confident that they are used well inside their tolerance band, notably in terms of temperature (as said earlier in the thread it's incredible how little heat gets to the heater module intake shield for instance) there are some drawbacks as they are not neutral.

I could have included that part in the "first impression" section but it deserves its dedicated one. First, the wood body has a smell. Here again I'm guilty, having chosen blackwood despite having been warned that it's an oily essence (at first I could literally see some oily film on it, don't know if it was the finish curing or the wood itself though)

The finishing compounds used to protect the wood also have a smell. Overall that smell is not bad but it was quite particular at first. Now I'm used to it. You can detect it inside the sleeve when you remove it and when you shove your nose into the vape body. During use this smell is relatively irrelevant as the air/vapor path is not passing around exposed wood.

That is, unless you draw the stem out telescopic style, but that's something I don't recommend at all. Not only will you have to clean the vape insides (and resin clings to wood badly so I'm not even sure you could remove the smell completely, could be problematic if you travel etc) but also because it will make the vape super inefficient (any extra millimeter of distance between the heater and the bowl that you add will decrease efficiency, probably in a non-linear fashion, so you'll need to get higher in temperature and you'll waste battery life...) Conclusion: always use with the stem fully seated. If you need a longer stem then bug Dan like I'm doing or find some after-market supplier (hint hint!)

Then the bronze appears to have a strong smell as well. I have another hobby involving playing with brass parts so I'm used to it, and it's not very pleasant. Bronze is similar really. I wrote "appear" because in reality these metals don't have any smell. It's the oily compounds we have on our hands that react with the metal and produce the smell. So the more you touch it the smellier it is.

Not really a problem for the bottom part of the vape, although you will end up touching it more than you intend to (especially when using it sleeve-less) But the button back-plate sits right under your nose when you use the vape. So you have this smell source sitting right here and it's precisely where you keep putting your fingers to make the counter-pression to counteract the spring force when holding the vape.

The bronze parts will oxidize very quickly. Mine already changed color, especially on the back-plate and also around the heater module area. It starts golden but will tarnish to a duller brown. That was expected and you can make it shine again with a buffing compound I imagine? Dan shall comment on that maintenance part.

Last but not least, the nichrome in the heater modules definitely has a smell. Very metallic. My girl said it smelled like blood, which is a bit odd because blood has iron where nichrome supposedly has none. I know there are various grades but the base alloy is only nickel+chrome. Dan are you sure that the one you selected has no iron it it?

Anyway, this was for me the big unknown with this vape during its development: would the nichrome smell or not (people in the e-cig world also say it has a distinct smell) Apparently it does, and the hotter the stronger. That being said, it's very hard to detect in the vapor itself. It has a signature of its own but it's not obvious. It is when you put your nose close to the hot heater module though.

This is where I think for instance there is room for improvement. I would like to see stainless steel heater modules, possibly with a silver rod in the middle. That's something I will be working on this summer, but I make no promise. The precision required seems so high and I'm unsure I have all the right tools... anyway if I don't succeed, or in all cases, another idea for after-market parts suppliers (and for Dan of course!)


Safety concerns

Now we arrive at the part where I'm less satisfied. It couldn't be all pink and rosy, nothing is perfect! First, and as reported previously, the battery slot is too small. It's problematic for two reasons: it prevents using a lot of cells. Samsung's are out, apparently Sony's too. Rewraps with thick wraps the same. That's a lot of cells we can't use. Even LG's are sometimes hard to remove and you can feel the vacuum suction it creates when you pull them out.

Some of my Samsung 30Q barely fitted with some force, but twice they got stuck and I had to use pliers to remove them. Never again! Metal pliers near the positive side is begging for trouble!

The second reason it is problematic is for safety. As is, I can't recommend inserting the cell positive inside the vape. It would be really dangerous. If the cell was to vent, the pressure would build up so much that either a) the vape body would explode like a grenade, with shards of wood, glass and metal flying everywhere and possibly in your eyes, b) the cell would be propulsed away at high velocity like a cannon (someone in my surroundings know a guy who had a mechanical mod shoot the cell out this way and it made a hole in his ceiling...)

So whatever gives up first, the body or the contact bridge, would yield in either case a catastrophic result. This is why I would recommend to create a venting slot on the side of the vape body close to the cell top and below the button (a single slot or some holes but they would have to be big enough to not just be there for the show, this is serious business really)

You would then ask, why not use the cell with the positive facing down as recommended by Dan? Because it's also a disaster in the waiting! Remember the Firewood 4 recall? It was for a similar problem: the contact bridge has a tendency to rip through the cell wrap. I even had it once fall between the positive tab and the white insulation rings.

For those not understanding the problem, please have a read at the 18650 battery safety thread, I explained it all with pictures in there. The negative side is a few mils away from the positive tab on the top of these cells, apart from the insulation ring there's not much in between. If the bridge was to make contact it would be an instant short and the cell would go into thermal runaway pretty fast. Plus when it does it's hard to break the short circuit as the metal welds pretty quickly, your best bet is to throw the vape away as fast as possible! (fire in the hole!!!)

A second safety problem with the positive facing down is that the entire circuit is "hot" (ie. the bottom bronze plate, the bridge, the heater, the side channel and button backplate) In general it's bad practice. You want the most of the circuit to be ground, here it has electrical potential. Of course it's less dramatic than with AC circuits but still it's bad practice.

I can foresee for instance a failure mode: if the cell has a damaged wrap under the top on the sides, it could make contact with the bottom bronze plate (via the hole it inserts into, there is exposed metal here) When this happens the switch would be bypassed and the circuit would be closed at all times, engaging the heater. Not as bad as a short but still not something you want to happen, could lead to charring of the wood body etc. This failure mode can not happen with the cell inserted the other way, negative facing out.
 
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KeroZen

Chronic vapaholic
Contact resistance and inconsistencies

I know Dan did his homework, but contact resistance is a complex subject. I invite the curious amongst you to have a look at this book (it's over 1000 pages long but a lot of it is available for free) >> https://books.google.fr/books?id=EkStW7v8VPkC

During my first early sessions I experienced some inconsistencies. Sometimes it was working really good, sometimes it felt anemic and I got blank hot air hits. Since I knew about the button arcing issue, I was very cautious to depress it very hard (click click loud and clear every-time) so when it happened I thought I did it wrong.

It's only later that I caught the problem with the gun still smoking! It was not the button but it was the contact bridge. I had several times the problem really clearly: two hits then the third one it was cold. I checked by pressing the button hard and blowing into the stem with a finger close to the heater holes, and the air was warm but not hot.

I fixed the issue everytime by actively wiping the heater module contact with the bridge, moving it back and forth and tightening it. Something is dicky around that contact point, it's inconsistent. So much that now everytime I start a session, I do the "blow test" to see if it's heating properly. If not, or proactively, I wipe the heater module contact a few times.

It happens often when I swap heater modules. I guess it's inevitable to put your finger on the heater module pin/rod end and it can contaminate it, yielding to increased contact resistance.

The contact bridge itself also oxidizes really fast. Sometimes it was even unbelievable: I didn't change anything, it worked for a few hits then got cold. Wiped it a few times, and good to go. Then cold again later on.... puzzling!

Now that I identified the problem it's okay I guess, but sometimes I don't know if I got a blank hit because the battery is weak of because of the dicky contact.

This is why I would recommend using a silver rod for the heater module pin. As I read recently on Neutrik site (they make excellent connectors, notably for audio etc) silver will tarnish but it doesn't affect its contact resistance, it's only a visual effect (contrary to brass, copper and bronze etc) I also think stainless steel does have an oxide film forming over time, chromium oxide if I'm not mistaken? Gold would be even better but it's pricier. Otherwise we could consider some form of plating maybe?

Meanwhile make sure your bridge is screwed tightly and wipe your contact often. Mechanical force does break the contaminant and oxide films apart.

Sorry guys I have to leave for a few hours, gonna meet a friend to watch West World s2 finale, then I'll get back to the meat of this review: usage and performance, what you are all... eagerly waiting for!
 

Copacetic

Somewhere North of The Wall
Sorry guys I have to leave for a few hours.........

Thats a DICK MOVE KZ, AND YOU KNOW IT!
smh :nope:


BTW, I thought that Dan had already addressed the failure mode you imagine by making the battery hole in the brass plate fractionally bigger than the hole in the wood that it partners, thereby ensuring the battery can't be in contact with the brass plate while inserted.
Or did I imagine that?

Apologies for critiquing your review before you've even finished it, but you LEFT US HANGIN'!
 
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ZC

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I can foresee for instance a failure mode: if the cell has a damaged wrap under the top on the sides, it could make contact with the bottom bronze plate (via the hole it inserts into, there is exposed metal here) When this happens the switch would be bypassed and the circuit would be closed at all times, engaging the heater. Not as bad as a short but still not something you want to happen, could lead to charring of the wood body etc. This failure mode can not happen with the cell inserted the other way, negative facing out.

This has been my biggest concern about the nomad design in general. The battery hole in the bottom plate being the same width as the battery means you can bypass with a bad wrapper, but even with the negative side down you can now have a short where a button press has the current go through the button and then directly back into the battery through the bottom plate.

I know I suggested quite a while ago that the battery hole in the metal plate be bigger than the wood, to create an air-gap to help prevent this from happening, but it looks like that suggestion didn't make it into the first batch.

I know with proper battery care we should never insert a battery with a damage wrapper and inspect before each use, but everyone makes mistakes and especially when high, so I'd rather the vape be designed to accomidate for said mistakes.

Thanks KZ for your detailed and thorough review, eagerly anticipating the rest of it. Also that westworld finale was pretty good, I thought, hope you enjoy it!
 

Dan Morrison

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@KeroZen , Loving the review/feedback so far, thank you for taking the time to write all that out so thoroughly! :)

I have some suggestions to help you with the issues you've listed, more on that later when you're done. I am almost positive that your contact inconsistencies are because of the oxide film on the inside of the bronze button plate, Or the oxide film between the bronze plate and heater module. Which the care package is mean't to resolve. It's an invisible film, which is part of why I missed the issue when I was sending them out.

@ZC, Tough to explain, but.. if the wrapper suffers a rip or tear, the thickness of the wrap around that rip is still enough to keep the exposed bare metal from touching the bronze side walls. It would have to have a very large portion of the bare metal exposed. This is part of the reason for not wanting any 'slop' between the hole and battery... because the battery isn't allowed to become canted in the bore and touch the bronze.

I tapered the bronze hole very slightly so that the opening of the bronze hole is larger.

Granted... the dimensions we're talkin here are like.. a hair width. So... perhaps not enough for full peace of mind.

Based on that, now I know that it would have been better to enlarge the battery hole a bit and oversize the bronze plate in relation to the wood, to just completely resolve the issue. So that's what I am going to do in the future. Ya live ya learn!
 

Bdubbdiblets

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Really love the in depth review and also love how well Dan takes any suggestions. Truly shows how much he cares!!

@Dan Morrison so I'm wondering how much the care package needs etc. have pushed back the 2nd batch?

Truly don't mind as im sure I can speak for others in that i want the best Nomad I can get but just curious?

Thanks for all you do!

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tepictoton

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So what would be 'the least smelly wood' from the options given?

Personally find the burl true eyecandy, but I have no idea about its smell.

Can you please enlighten me

Nice to see first feedback, and how this vape seems to be evolving because of this symbiotic relationship between creator and cliënt.

The venting slots for the battery do sound like they might be necesary?

The reported 'smell' comming from the heater does have me worried a bit. When using e-cigs with nichrome coils I definately had a bit of an 'off' metallic (yes, even bloody some would say) taste. This changed when using stainless steel coils.

Any idea if looking into a stainless steel heater is an option?

Oh, and did I mention I am getting a button soon? Still have a hard time believing it...
 
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RelaxedNow

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So what would be 'the least smelly wood' from the options given?

Personally find the burl true eyecandy, but I have no idea about its smell.

Can you please enlighten me

Nice to see first feedback, and how this vape seems to be evolving because of this symbiotic relationship between creator and cliënt.

The venting slots for the battery do sound like they might be necesary?

The reported 'smell' comming from the heater does have me worried a bit. When using e-cigs with nichrome coils I definately had a bit of an 'off' metallic (yes, even bloody some would say) taste. This changed when using stainless steel coils.

Any idea if looking into a stainless steel heater is an option?

Oh, and did I mention I am getting a button soon? Still have a hard time believing it...

I have the Burl, and don’t notice any odor, even sniffing the wood up-close...we’ll, maybe a slight something, but not anything meaningful. I also don’t detect any odor or taste from the heater when using the Nomad. I can detect a slight odor from the heater if I remove it and hold it near my nose, but that’s kinda a non-issue as far as I’m concerned.

I guess if you’re very sensitive to odors it could be an issue, but I doubt most would notice it (assuming I’m typical :rolleyes:). On the other hand, if Dan can accomplish the same result with stainless, I’m sure it would broaden the appeal.
 

CL52613

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Ken-Zero, whose posts I usually agree with, please forgive my frankness. It is one thing to give your assessment on the performance of the Nomad, but as of yet, it seems there is a more intended purpose for this post, considering its over the top criticism of the Nomad's packaging and lack of stuff included with the vaporizer. Do you own a Mighty, Crafty, Arizer, Pax, MV1, IQ, E-nano? You are paying for the creative design and technical know-how to make those vaporizer function properly, not the supposed freebies and flashly packaging. Please my friend, offer up the negatives if those make a bigger impression on you, but to me your suggestions in regard to packaging and freebies is insulting and condescending. That you want to claim being responsible for the design, since you have followed the thread and made a few posts, is seriously too self-important. Come on, ideas are a dime a dozen, how to turn those ideas into a viable functioning machine is something very much different. Sincere apologies Ken-Zero, but I will wait for other, more succinct performance related assessments. What is the motive behind, this so badly in need of Scottish editing, thesis of yours? Do you hope to become a lauded vaporizer critic, with a following similar to Vape Critic? I only asked for feedback regarding performance not Dan's supposed lack of marketing skills for only sending the vaporizer and accessories as he listed in your ordering email. I now totally understand the extremely passive/aggressive nature of your "hahaha" first post regarding the Nomad's packaging, or in your vaulted opinion lack of packaging. Forgive me Ken-Zero, but this thankfully interrupted post, reeks of self-importance and expertise. Are you not a consumer and purchaser of the Nomad, like the rest of us? Please leave the designing to the designer, and just share your experiences without the hypothesis for how to remedy the problems. I have seen Dan's workmanship, and he has shared the reasons for his design choices, and materials used during manufacturing both here and in private emails. His R&D was hindered only by a single POV; but his responsiveness and excitement in hearing about problems experienced by the various users, has lead to the tweaks that continue to separate the Nomad from the rest of the vaporizer pack. Again, please forgive me if I overstepped my bounds or ruffled any feathers.
 
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KeroZen

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(continued)

Stem system

As illustrated in my previous size comparison post pictures, the stem system falls between the more common 14mm and 18mm standard glassware. The recessed stem also allows for some extra length compared to the stock stems of the competiton, even if not much.

18mm vapes tend to be the most free-flowing. So much that for instance RBT had to build resistance right into the device for the Milaana 2 and Splinter. We've also seen recommendations about putting a piece of rolling paper with fine poked holes on the Zion intake to increase vapor density without putting too much burden on the user.

If the vape doesn't create the resistance itself then you have to regulate the draw speed yourself, and it's apparently not intuitive nor easy at all for some users. We had the same issue with the Ascent back then: to get any meaningful kind of clouds you needed to sip so slowly, there definitely was a technique to acquire. So much that apart from my girl, none of my friends were able to get good hits with my Ascent.

Contrast that with the OG Solo where it was so easy to get good rips but in counter-part people kept complaining about its milkshake-like draw resistance. It's always a matter of balance.

The only way to please every-one would be to have a variable geometry air-intake. This was often proposed but rarely implemented. We will be getting it in the upcoming MistVape Touch 2 though, so have a look at this thread if you are interested.

The air-flow requirements are also much different when hitting the vape dry compared to using it through water. This has to be taken into account.

A downside of 18mm systems is that when the stem is short like in the Milaana, Timber and iHeat, you get a lot of hot air right into your throat and it can feel uncomfortable quite fast. For me, the Milaana stock stem is the bare minimum I can withstand and the iHeat is a tad too short.

While I prefer the flow of 18mm systems, I find 14mm ones to be much more forgiving on the throat given the exact same stem length. My MistVape Touch and Project Pure SF both use the same stem and feel more comfortable. But there are drawbacks too: 14mm systems invite you to micro-dose. I like using between 0.08g and 0.12g per bowl, with 18mm this makes a shallow puck whereas with 14mm this makes a deeper cylinder.

The net effect is that stirring is almost optional with that load size and 18mm, but you need to flip the load at least once with 14mm (you can see a clear color gradient from the bottom of the bowl to the top near the screen, regardless of how even the "heat front" is)

So where do we stand with the Nomad? I would say we get the best of both worlds. It's super free-flowing, surely too much for some users in fact, very easy on the lungs, almost no restriction. Vapor feels cooler than 18mm systems (the extra stem length does play a little here) but at the end of a session when you try to extract at higher temperatures you can still feel some dryness, but it's nowhere like the Milaana or iHeat.

The stem size is geared towards micro-doses but less than a 14mm system. I think if your load is close to 0.12g or more, then you will need to stir once per session. If your load is close to 0.08g or less then you won't have to stir at all.

I would like to see a longer stem offered as an option / accessory. It doesn't look like much but just a couple centimeters of extra length make for a very noticeable difference in cooling, especially with glass stems. In the Zion I only use the longest stem (the uncut glass blank one) which doesn't fit in the storage compartment (that one would the medium stem)

It would make the vape aspect-ratio / proportions a bit less appealing but as I said we got plenty of room before it starts looking out of place like a silly antenna. And again, with the stock stem your face ends up almost touching your hand when you use the vape, it can feel a bit awkward to some users I imagine, so the extra length wouldn't hurt either in that regard.


Screens system

I initially pronounced some reserve about the double-screens system, thinking it would be a chore compared to a single stem screen + fixed heater screen. But now I completely changed my mind. It's better this way!

In the Milaana for instance, it's true that usually nothing falls from your stem at first. But when you stir once mid-session (if you do) then you may have a few specks falling onto the heater screen. These are quite easy to remove by just blowing on it.

Here the heater screen would be way deeper inside the device where it's harder to see. Plus there are the o-rings above so when you put the vape upside down to remove the specks they could cling to the o-rings crevices.

With the double-screen, nothing falls down ever. It's always self-contained. For sure it adds a single extra step when loading and the same when unloading, but come on, we are not that lazy! After a session the screen cools down super fast. I just use my pinky to remove it (it's super close to the edge, you don't need any tool) then I can blow the load out or use anything to stir it out. I never touch the second screen, it always stays inside the stem.

When loading I do the "suck the load from my palm using the stem as a straw" technique, like with my other stem-based vapes. Then I just push the screen in. It compacts the load into a small puck, a technique I've been recommending with nearly all vapes (especially with conduction but surprisingly also with convection ones, as long as it's not too tight it definitely helps to get good vapor density)

I didn't do A/B comparisons with or without the second screen but I'm under the impression it really contributes to get an even roasting and lower the likeliness of getting any hot spots. The screen must spread the heat somehow and contributes a tiny amount of conduction.


Hot spots

Talking about hot spots, it's a question a lot of you have since it's the bane of full convection vapes usually. I agree with @pakalolo when he says that they are mostly a function of temperature and draw speed (plus packing and grind size), if you extract slowly and gently then you can prevent them in most of these on-demand vapes.

That being said I disagree with him when he implies those are the only parameters. The heater geometry clearly has a big impact on the "heat imprint" on the load. We demonstrated that clearly in the Project and BULLI threads, then later on when Dave tweaked the MistVape Touch coil geometry based on this feedback.

We've seen very focused center hot spots when the coil had a central tight winding and could mitigate the issue when gearing towards pancake / stove designs for instance. We've also experienced designs that led to a clear offset crescent pattern on the load etc.

Moreover, the air intake geometry also plays a crucial role here, but its effects are much less intuitive to grasp. Air-flow dynamics and turbulence is such a complex subject, especially when you know that these systems can easily become chaotic.

With the Nomad, I haven't been able to spot any clear bad tendency so far. But I've experienced different patterns as there are many parameters. I've had a few occasions where the load was packed too tightly and it created some minor tunneling (you can see a dash of brown that seems to have sunken between plant bits) I had a few occasions where there was some unevenness that I could clearly attribute to bad grinding (i.e. a large bit of flat leaf material was facing out from the bowl and it shifted the air flow around it leading to some uneven concentration)

But otherwise, when I extract at my usual pace (i.e. dry, many hits, not big rips through water) the extraction is remarkably even. Better than in my Milaana, iHeat and MVT. Comparable to the Project Pure SF (but with 14mm systems the extraction seems to always be more even as the load has a smaller surface area anyways)

When I scorched the load (using the high-power heater with just a single hit) then I could see a pattern: it was a large circle slightly offset from the center. Say 95% of the load was scorched in a perfect filled circle fashion, but this circle was slightly offset and touching the border. The rest was green.

In all cases, I won't lie to you, there is always a very thin layer at the interface with the glass that ends up lighter in color. I think it's inevitable with a round stem system, there will always be more air flow in the center and less close to the walls. But in this case it's very minimal, no worries.
 
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