400*+ vapor temp / different amounts loaded

[Mookie0608]

Exactly. I have been using purple urkle and I love it so far. I hate to compare it to a pill but after the high passes the very familiar effect comes. Similar to how dilauted made me feel. Unless that’s the sedation, and if that buzzing or what ever in your head and eyes is the sedation then I’m going to assume it’s not strong enough to make me sleep. I yawn a lot and feel relaxed and all that but I have a very high tolerance with pills that even help you sleep. Maybe it is the sedating part of indicas kicking in but it’s not strong enough to knock me out. I don’t know what the medication is that puts you to sleep for surgeries, but i can put up a fight against that. I can fight off the sleep without trying eventually it gets me but if the feeeling that comes to my eyes and mind when the high passes is sedation then it’s not strong enough to force me to sleep. I’m so used to feeling tired that’s how I go about my normal every day life unless it’s to strong I can’t fight it.

As far as sativas is the same exact way, but it’s worse then indicas. I get too high after awhile will vape or smoke all day on the hour and if I wind up over doing it I’m so screwed up in the head and dealing with the pain. So during the day time It’s barely a 1-1 but I it’s still an indica cbd shark shock it’s not going to make you want to sleep or maybe it will for you but it’s more of a body effect and is decent for the day. Most of the sativas seem like there job is to get you high, and I hate to say it especially with an actual drug but if all you cared about was being high heroin makes more sense and is cheaper. Not saying it’s a good idea or to go do it. Non of the sativas even hybrids I have tried to far give me pain relief there all effects in the head. I tried a decent amount of indica strains and so far out of purple urkel, cbd shark shock, and taffie it’s not fair to compare. Purple urkle can be felt in ever part of the body and I find I even hurt myself if I try to do something such as playing on my phone or video games my hands feel so heavy and feels like they say to me put the damn phone or controller down my wrists hurt like hell incense I just lay down it feels so much better I’m not sure if that is couch lock and if it is then it’s exaggerated. When I first started with medical marijuana they told me couch lock was basically paralyzing you can try all you want but you will not be able to move. I can move fine I just feel like I get tired faster and eventually start feeling struggling kind of pain.

 

[invertedisdead]

Couch lock is a feeling I would associate with strong edibles.

 

[Mookie0608]

Gotcha I don’t know what it actually is that is more so in my wrists after vaping on purple that makes my wrists hurt more the longer I hold my phone then when I set it down it my wrists are fine

 

[invertedisdead]

I'm not sure, but I got tennis elbow once from using a phone where it hurt to hold it at all.

 

[Mookie0608]

Yeah it’s weird. Every night it’s usually about an hour -1:30 after vaping it kicks in even get it in my neck a little. The perfect example would be when your in a pool how heavy your body can get. Except it’s just in my neck and wrists

 

[Alexis]

Gotcha I don’t know what it actually is that is more so in my wrists after vaping on purple that makes my wrists hurt more the longer I hold my phone then when I set it down it my wrists are fine

I would put it down to how the specific strain affects your nervous system. I kniw the type of symptoms you describe as I have similar problems with indicas in general. Its lie a muscular tightening, stiffening.
My nervous system is fucked up proper from long term Lyme Disease. I have had years of infection with neurological viruses called "Coxsackie".

48 different strains are known to man and they affect different areas/aspects of health. Only 2 seem to commonly infect the human poppulation- the Coxsackie A1 and B4 viruses, which are incredibly prevalent. If you dont have one of these viruse lingerning in you causing havoc via the Central Nervous system, then I can guarantee that you know a load of people who do and don't even know they have such a virus lingering in theIr CNS, exacerbating symptoms and conditions and in cases directly causing them.

The Coxsackie B4 virus specifically affects the muscles and limbs, casuing weakness, tension, pain and symptoms of paralysis. This action occurs via the nervous system. I can usually tell when I have this virus as these stiff body symptoms are very pronounced initially.

So cannabis has some negative affects on my own nervous system. The musucular relaxation, or rather limpness and lack of energy/strenght is massively enhanced in my case. I have severe chronic fatigue and weed exacerbates it but especially indica.

Generally with cannabis use and especially edibles, there is a heavy and debikitating affe t on my entire muscular system, all due to my nervous system being in such a mess.

No exact poing to round off here. Just pointing out the important tole the CNS plays in these varying reactions to different strains.

 

[Mookie0608]

That’s very interesting because the last strain I tried pineapple shock made me twitch uncontrollably. Even the purple does occasionally but not near the extend of the other one. Actually both of them are almost as good as viagra or cialis but not nearly as long lasting.

 

[arthritisbites]

Gotcha I don’t know what it actually is that is more so in my wrists after vaping on purple that makes my wrists hurt more the longer I hold my phone then when I set it down it my wrists are fine

Ready for a theory? Usually when you’re doing something your body doesn’t like, there are the normal feelings of discomfort that increase in severity until you stop whatever it is that’s causing the pain. BUT you are ingesting a pain reliever, so those initial feelings of discomfort are masked until they become severe enough (or the medication wears off enough) for you to notice.

I kniw the type of symptoms you describe as I have similar problems with indicas in general. Its lie a muscular tightening, stiffening.

It’s not just you and @Mookie0608. I have similar problems if I get over-medicated. I know now how to judge my levels better, but especially when I first started, I misjudged a few times and took too much - I got an excruciatingly painful pins and needles feeling over my entire body, then I started going into muscle spasms. Pretty bad. So I use a digital scale now and am very careful not to over do it.

 

[looney2nz]

Ready for a theory? Usually when you’re doing something your body doesn’t like, there are the normal feelings of discomfort that increase in severity until you stop whatever it is that’s causing the pain. BUT you are ingesting a pain reliever, so those initial feelings of discomfort are masked until they become severe enough (or the medication wears off enough) for you to notice.



It’s not just you and @Mookie0608. I have similar problems if I get over-medicated. I know now how to judge my levels better, but especially when I first started, I misjudged a few times and took too much - I got an excruciatingly painful pins and needles feeling over my entire body, then I started going into muscle spasms. Pretty bad. So I use a digital scale now and am very careful not to over do it.

ok, I see you playing with various strains, but no mention of highCBD strains?

I bet some Cannatonic or Pennywise might help. Significantly more entourage effects there.

 

[arthritisbites]

ok, I see you playing with various strains, but no mention of highCBD strains?

I bet some Cannatonic or Pennywise might help. Significantly more entourage effects there.

Good eye, yes there was no mention of high CBD strains for a very good reason-I have not used them yet. Mostly because I need extremely potent medication for the pain control right now (I replaced 60mg of Percocet a day with pot). I literally have not had a single Percocet since I started using marijuana last fall.

But the high CBD strains tend to have less THC in them (at least the ones available to me) and therefore give me less pain control. And so I have to use more of it and so it ends up being too pricey for me and also I am quite literally vaping all day, back to back sessions, in order to get the pain relief I require.

Now, all that having been said, I am open to trying them, I’ve been wondering if I could mix a high CBD strain with one of my more potent strains so I still get the pain relief I need... but again, it just starts getting kind of pricey. I’m not sure there’s an elegant solution.

 

[Mookie0608]

I now hate cbd strains. Except harlequin out of what I tried. That’s me personally but I find that if I strictly used cbd it will be very easy to go through a pound in a month. I got an ounce of acdc it didn’t even last a week. Some of them just make the pain seem worse then it really is, but I even had some thc strains where to much of it made pain seem worse as well. I’m trying to find some afghani but we are so far behind times all the dispensaries have a very limited supply with state laws and have to grow strains higher in thca because the maximum thc content is 10%. If we don’t get it soon and northern lights I may try to find a reputable street dealer. I really wanna try Afghani and northern. Even purple arrow. I’m not sure if it’s coincidental but it seems like weed with purple in it and a lot of it works the best so far if what I’m trying sane with blues.

 

[invertedisdead]

Have you tried a tincture? I've been researching them a lot lately and thinking of trying one. Many patients note stronger and longer lasting pain relief with tinctures instead of, or in addition to vaping. Also, since it can be applied sublingual, or swallowed, you can switch between delta-9-THC and 11-hydroxy-THC.

 

[arthritisbites]

Have you tried a tincture? I've been researching them a lot lately and thinking of trying one. Many patients note stronger and longer lasting pain relief with tinctures instead of, or in addition to vaping. Also, since it can be applied sublingual, or swallowed, you can switch between delta-9-THC and 11-hydroxy-THC.

Can you please explain what the difference is between the THC things you said? I’m open to trying tinctures, but I’ve tried sublingual and edibles in the past and they just didn’t touch the pain. I had a 30 mg cookie from the dispensary and it kind of felt like I had half a glass of wine with dinner. It was ridiculous. And so expensive! I could’ve gotten an eighth of an ounce for the same money and at least had a day’s worth of pain relief!

 

[invertedisdead]

Can you please explain what the difference is between the THC things you said? I’m open to trying tinctures, but I’ve tried sublingual and edibles in the past and they just didn’t touch the pain. I had a 30 mg cookie from the dispensary and it kind of felt like I had half a glass of wine with dinner. It was ridiculous. And so expensive! I could’ve gotten an eighth of an ounce for the same money and at least had a day’s worth of pain relief!

Delta 9 THC is the same THC you get when vaporizing, and delta 11 THC is the metabolite Delta 9 is converted to when processed by the liver in an edible.

I don't think I've ever had an edible dose that small, I'm not sure if I would feel that either. You should try at least 100mg. Edibles are generally pretty expensive from dispensaries. Most serious patients resort to making them themselves for that reason.

 

[Mookie0608]

Never tried them either. My biggest problem or jump I have to get over is high thc. I just can’t get it out of my head worrying about 24% thc being a hell of a lot different and stronger then 13. Down south where my condo is the good stuff is all over 20% except blue dream sitting at 10.23%. As far as the indica side it’s all 22-28%, and going from 13.96 to that is just I guess making me over cautious. I’m more comfortable with thc now then I was a month ago, but still taken that big leap is kind of becoming a challenge to try. Back home in jerzey though there are no strains that are even over 1%thc maybe one or 2 if any. It’s all thca even though after it burns/heats up I think it converts to thc so I really don’t understand the law, and why the maximum limit in thc content is 10% yet that have 28% thca, that turns into thc to my understanding.

I think a lot of my bad experiences may have been contributed though to medication or maybe it was a combination of things and being new to it. I just recently went off my medication for blood clots. Was worried it was weed killing me at first so that’s good. I hate how some drugs well most make you so damn sick with all their side effects yet take something like weed has non as far as it making your heart fail etc if you know what I’m trying to say. 1 medication may treat say in defeat Jon but can do damage to your kidney so they put you on something that will screw up something else.

A week off the elequis now and the chest pain is just about gone and I’m no longer getting so dizzy anymore, and I been wondering if that medication was just adding fuel to the fire with being high and it was really that pill making me feel so bad getting high.

 

[looney2nz]

I now hate cbd strains. Except harlequin out of what I tried. That’s me personally but I find that if I strictly used cbd it will be very easy to go through a pound in a month. I got an ounce of acdc it didn’t even last a week. Some of them just make the pain seem worse then it really is, but I even had some thc strains where to much of it made pain seem worse as well. I’m trying to find some afghani but we are so far behind times all the dispensaries have a very limited supply with state laws and have to grow strains higher in thca because the maximum thc content is 10%. If we don’t get it soon and northern lights I may try to find a reputable street dealer. I really wanna try Afghani and northern. Even purple arrow. I’m not sure if it’s coincidental but it seems like weed with purple in it and a lot of it works the best so far if what I’m trying sane with blues.

@arthritisbites, you too

my experience in recent years is primarily with whole plant extracts that maintain ALL the compounds
(room temp process).
I've made these with AC/DC, Cannatonic, Pennywise. The entourage effect is amazing.
THC, THCa, THCv, CBD, CBDa, CBC, CBG and naturally present terpenes.

CBD helps me with the following: Cancer, 8 jacked up discs in my back, and truly unpleasant side effects from chemo that appear to be permanent It helps with pain and spasticity (muscle tension and spasm).

That said, the ratio of CBD:THC in my examples are about 20:1 for AC/DC (almost no THC), 4:1 for Cannatonic, and 1:1 for Pennywise. Cannatonic is a good choice in general for me, but in the peak of treating the last run with the Cancer I was using the Pennywise. A full mix of cannabinoids is WAY more useful than isolated concentrates or synthetic terpenes.

@Mookie0608 I hope it was the other drug!

I also favored Purple's, although I don't think I've read a satisfactory explanation of why they seem to work better for chronic pain/disabled folk.

To put some context on this, I think you said you tried a 30mg edible? I just ate a 300mg edible.
Depending on the quality of the edible (and the source material), 200-300mg is a normal range of dosing for me (just short of 6', 275lbs... up 65 since all this fun started).
Again, that said... ALWAYS err on the side of caution with edibles, eat some, wait 2 hours, if necessary, eat some more, but pay attention to when you've eaten the last dose. Don't dive into the deep end first, but it sounds like you need to get out of the small pool. Just go slow in reasonable sized chunks. You'll find the right zone, you'll know it pretty quickly too.

 

[Mookie0608]

I never done edibles. Also did not want to sound like by building a tolerance fast as possible to be the “cool guy” or waist money. Just to get my tolerance high enough that I can vape or smoke every 2-3 hours as needed, and even though it’s better I would prefer to wait until I get a much higher tolerance before jumping into an edible that could be the longest 8 hours of my life. As far as the purple go it was purple Urkle that is loaded with purples, and my blueberry kush has a nice amount of blue in it. I think it was the B.B. kush I could be wrong.

Yeah I’m hoping the pain and breathing issues were from the other drug as well, and I’m almost positive it was. Since I stopped taken it each day got a little better. My doctor got all pissed off at me for getting onto the program.

Just while I’m thinking about it I even have issues with my heart, and indigestion. I have been able to stop relying on nexium more so with the one strain pineapple shock. Got severe indigestion one night vaped it within 15 minutes the indegestion was gone. I have never had such fast relief usually when it’s bad it’s a long night. As far as my heartbeat goes I have an issue where it beats to fast, and ya always been an issue. It may not sound right but weed does make my heart beat fast, but after the high fades away it slows down. My heart rate went from about 140/90 down to about 105-110/70-80 not Sure if it’s from the weed or not but it does calm me down and help me relax a lot more. The smallest things don’t work me up when I’m “medicated”.

There have been cbd strains that help, but not the way others do. On average they have only reduced my pain 1-2 levels. Harlequin is about 4.

You could feed me 10 mg of dilauted and I will function easily. I guess how they have the term functioning alcoholic, I can function on heavy pain meds. I’m hoping I can reach that point with weed in a way that I’m getting the benefits, but I’m not intoxicated if that makes sense.

Actually another thing with my stomach issues is I eat very little meals. After I medicate I get hungry at some point, and I can eat foods that I usually can’t eat so I’m eating better too.

 

[looney2nz]

@Mookie0608, sorry for any confusion, I was trying to answer both your questions and @arthritisbites.
He was the one who ate a 30mg cookie.
Part of me envies your ability to use opiates (they only work on me via IV and I HATE needles),
the folks at the ER the last 2 times had the hardest time wrapping their heads around that.
So far cannabis has been about the only thing to make a dent in this.

 

[arthritisbites]

To put some context on this, I think you said you tried a 30mg edible? I just ate a 300mg edible.

Ok, yes, that does put some context on it, thank you. Everyone scared me to death with all the stories of how edibles could mess you up, so I was scared of overdoing it.

You mentioned a room temperature process to get out all the good chemicals. Do you do that process yourself? If so, what is involved?

 

[Mookie0608]

I hate needles to. I had so many surgeries and can’t tell you how long it takes to get an Iv in me. Taken 45 minutes is not rare there’s been occasions where I got poked so many times they gave up and gave me a gas mask then out the iv in after sleeping but I hate the cathaters a lot more. Sorry about the misunderstanding as well.

 

[looney2nz]

Ok, yes, that does put some context on it, thank you. Everyone scared me to death with all the stories of how edibles could mess you up, so I was scared of overdoing it.

You mentioned a room temperature process to get out all the good chemicals. Do you do that process yourself? If so, what is involved?

Mind you, I'm not saying to dive into the deep end, just to get in a little deeper. Again, go slow.

I wish I could share that process, but it's still being refined and commercial possibilities evaluated.

Rosin products probably come closest. Other processes can maintain many of the compounds if they tune their systems better, and I've noted some folks 'fingerprinting' their flower for terpenes and recreating what was lost in their system by adding back in real cannabis terpenes to compensate.

Ethanol extraction systems that pull a vacuum should be able to lower the boiling point to keep more compounds intact.

Most of what this has is for the medical crowd, recreational users would have little interest in it.

 

[arthritisbites]

I wish I could share that process, but it's still being refined and commercial possibilities evaluated.

Well now, you’re just a big old tease, aren’t you! Shame on you getting my hopes up! Well, I’ll be your first customer, you let me know when.

In terms of edibles, I think I’m going to stop paying attention to the numbers and just focus on what you said, how they make me feel. Frankly, I don’t really have another choice as I’m going to have to start making the edibles myself. I have the ABV, I was just hesitant to jump into that process because of the smell factor. I try to keep the house smelling as little like pot as possible. But I think I’m going to invest in the magic butter machine so I can do it in the backyard and not stink up the house.

Because there’s no way to determine how many milligrams are in an oil or tincture you make it home from ABV, right?

 

[looney2nz]

Well now, you’re just a big old tease, aren’t you! Shame on you getting my hopes up! Well, I’ll be your first customer, you let me know when.

In terms of edibles, I think I’m going to stop paying attention to the numbers and just focus on what you said, how they make me feel. Frankly, I don’t really have another choice as I’m going to have to start making the edibles myself. I have the ABV, I was just hesitant to jump into that process because of the smell factor. I try to keep the house smelling as little like pot as possible. But I think I’m going to invest in the magic butter machine so I can do it in the backyard and not stink up the house.

Because there’s no way to determine how many milligrams are in an oil or tincture you make it home from ABV, right?

Honestly not trying to be a tease, just wanted you to know that these processes exist.
I intend, if things go badly enough health-wise, to put what I have worked on into the public domain... in the interim, I have been encouraged by some folks to see if I can productize this, which would work out nicely, since medical bills have wiped out my retirement. I've already seen one european machine that does part of the process, using similar technology (haven't priced there's, was going to have one built to my specs as a test-bed). We'll see if folks appear with some of the other tech I've been working with. Until then, I creep along in between being flattened by health.

DO pay attention the numbers on the edibles, and notice your response to different kinds of edibles... some people are seemingly immune, mostly 'cause they don't have enough stuff in their digestion for the oils.
I give digestive enzymes to folks. Anyway, you'll find edibles from various sources are different in bioavailability, so note those numbers from edible to edible.

not from ABV

You'll probably gain a feel for what is leftover from your vape after a few batches and try and gauge it from there, if you're really adventurous, you can always send one of the edibles to a lab, just be forewarned that the full array of tests is pricey. the simplified tests, I can't remember how much I paid for the last one, it's been awhile ($200?). I also don't know what the Prop64 changes represent for the labs, I know I heard some labs aren't taking samples from regular Joe's (kind of hard to believe, unless they had a deal with the folks that tested dirty).

I honestly don't know how much is left in your ABV, my Herbalaire milks my buds pretty thoroughly, BUT it's possible you could try and extract the ABV into ethanol and use a machine like 'the Source' to make concentrate to cook with? I've been collecting all the concentrate reclaim from my palm vapes with organic q-tips, and then tossing them into a bag for reprocessing later on down the line (someday!) and I'll see what kind of concentrate THAT can make, 'cause the last article I read on concentrate reclaim showed QUITE a bit of goodies leftover (albeit funkified, but reprocessed, it might make a nice batch of brownies!).

Starting with the known lab #'s of the flower, with a calibrated scale, you can weigh that flower (after pulverizing it in a food processor <more surface area>), before decarboxylation; and predicated on if you're making an edible oil for cooking, or concentrate for cooking, or even tinctures, calculate the % of THC, CBD, etc. with the weight and that should largely be the amount extracted through whichever process... THAT way, you have an idea on dosing. Same thing if you START with kief, various forms of concentrates.

 

[arthritisbites]

Honestly not trying to be a tease, just wanted you to know that these processes exist.
I intend, if things go badly enough health-wise, to put what I have worked on into the public domain... in the interim, I have been encouraged by some folks to see if I can productize this, which would work out nicely, since medical bills have wiped out my retirement. I've already seen one european machine that does part of the process, using similar technology (haven't priced there's, was going to have one built to my specs as a test-bed). We'll see if folks appear with some of the other tech I've been working with. Until then, I creep along in between being flattened by health.

DO pay attention the numbers on the edibles, and notice your response to different kinds of edibles... some people are seemingly immune, mostly 'cause they don't have enough stuff in their digestion for the oils.
I give digestive enzymes to folks. Anyway, you'll find edibles from various sources are different in bioavailability, so note those numbers from edible to edible.

not from ABV

You'll probably gain a feel for what is leftover from your vape after a few batches and try and gauge it from there, if you're really adventurous, you can always send one of the edibles to a lab, just be forewarned that the full array of tests is pricey. the simplified tests, I can't remember how much I paid for the last one, it's been awhile ($200?). I also don't know what the Prop64 changes represent for the labs, I know I heard some labs aren't taking samples from regular Joe's (kind of hard to believe, unless they had a deal with the folks that tested dirty).

I honestly don't know how much is left in your ABV, my Herbalaire milks my buds pretty thoroughly, BUT it's possible you could try and extract the ABV into ethanol and use a machine like 'the Source' to make concentrate to cook with? I've been collecting all the concentrate reclaim from my palm vapes with organic q-tips, and then tossing them into a bag for reprocessing later on down the line (someday!) and I'll see what kind of concentrate THAT can make, 'cause the last article I read on concentrate reclaim showed QUITE a bit of goodies leftover (albeit funkified, but reprocessed, it might make a nice batch of brownies!).

Starting with the known lab #'s of the flower, with a calibrated scale, you can weigh that flower (after pulverizing it in a food processor <more surface area>), before decarboxylation; and predicated on if you're making an edible oil for cooking, or concentrate for cooking, or even tinctures, calculate the % of THC, CBD, etc. with the weight and that should largely be the amount extracted through whichever process... THAT way, you have an idea on dosing. Same thing if you START with kief, various forms of concentrates.

I can’t thank you enough for taking the time to explain all this to me, please know that it is truly appreciated. I’ll just keep passing off my ABV to my sister and her broke friends to enjoy then! They only need a little bit to get them happy as clams, so at least it’s not going to waste!