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Tranquility

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Sorry if I offended. @OldNewbie if I didn’t follow the fuide lines. The mod can delete if folks object. I have watched Fox News there is a lot of misinformation.
I agree. Fox News is a silly network that speaks to what a certain percentage of the population wants to hear. It is full of information that has been well-run through the sausage-making machine.

I don't think the post is off-topic and should be reported, it's just that we all can find examples of bias in the news media and turn this thread into a political debate by proxy.
 

Newcastle

Stoned!
@OldNewbie I wish I could figure out who FOX is speaking to. I am a Conservative ? Hate to say Republican because both parties are lost but I digress. I watch all the channels but FOX isnt bashing Trump 93% of the time like the others. I just dont know who FOX supports any more. They have never been PRO Trump. They are easier on him than others but they dont like him. It seemed that after Jep! lost out they had no one to fall back on. If your not watching any of these so called news channels and not filtering the B.S. than you are sheep. Its a strange political and media time we are in.....just my :2c:
 

Helios

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There are a dozen forms of fake news used by the Corporate Presstitutes.
all these provide a false/skewed picture of reality.
-leaving out vital information
-Shutting down the truth after publishing it—includes failing to follow up and investigate a story more deeply.
-Not connecting dots between important pieces of data.
-Direct lying about matters of fact.
- Limited Hangout. An admission of a mistake or a crime, only partially revealing the truth, by doing this small reveal, they bury a much bigger revelation, the masses will be satisfied, go on with their lives and the story will never be covered again
-Censoring the truth and calling it fake news
-using biased so called experts to provide slanted or false facts
-repeating the false story multiple times creating a chamber or echo effect, where multiple syndicates will bounce the false story amongst themselves.
-utilizing a potpourri of effects, for example. the Reputation of said news outlet, voice quality of the anchor, acting skills, practiced mechanical language, carefully placed studio lighting, electronic transmissions.. so on and so forth.
-if one lie doesn't fly or "sell", tell a much larger lie.
-accusing their opponents of committing crimes they themselves are in fact committing.(as these so called authorities of information belch out loud at independent media outlets about spreading fake news)
-Claiming a reasonable and true consensus exists, when it doesn’t, when there are many important skeptics or nonconformists, who are shut out from offering their analysis.
its no real surprise that three letter spooky syndicates work hand in hand with head editors/publishers of Major mass media outlets to push agendas, dividing hearts and minds. think operation Mockingbird post WW simply went away? :tinfoil:
https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-cia-and-the-media-50-facts-the-world-needs-to-know/5471956
 
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Helios

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Down the rabbit hole...

one really cannot touch the term "fake News" without going down that proverbial dark viper infested tunnel
perhaps GR is Fake news, Are FOX, Disney,Time warner NEWS corp, SONY, VIACOM any more credible?, anything seriously taken by the CMMM (corporate major mass media) outlets that dominate how we consume media/information should be taken with a grain of skeptical salt, the big 6 linked below,
https://www.morriscreative.com/6-corporations-control-90-of-the-media-in-america/
true honest investigative journalism within these corporate News entities died a long time ago.
the term "conspiracy theorist" was invented by those multi-letter alphabet soup agencies In Order To Prevent Disbelief of Official Government Stories, is being tossed around in abundance lately, It is ironic that the American left and some right are a major enforcer of the CIA’s strategy to shut up skeptics by branding them conspiracy theorists.
in a sense today the internet is the new Gutenberg press.
 
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Tranquility

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one really cannot touch the term "fake News" without going down that proverbial dark viper infested tunnel
perhaps GR is Fake news, Are FOX, Disney,Time warner NEWS corp, SONY, VIACOM any more credible?, anything seriously taken by the CMMM (corporate major mass media) outlets that dominate how we consume media/information should be taken with a grain of skeptical salt, the big 6 linked below,
https://www.morriscreative.com/6-corporations-control-90-of-the-media-in-america/
true honest investigative journalism within these corporate News entities died a long time ago.
the term "conspiracy theorist" was invented by those multi-letter alphabet soup agencies In Order To Prevent Disbelief of Official Government Stories, is being tossed around in abundance lately, It is ironic that the American left and some right are a major enforcer of the CIA’s strategy to shut up skeptics by branding them conspiracy theorists.
in a sense today the internet is the new Guttenberg press.
I agree the difference between fake news and biased news is a difficult one. I'm not sure there can be any fair set of rules to distinguish them.

My wife is completely into conspiracies. When the DC council-member made some comment in regards to the Rothschilds controlling the weather in DC, she was certain to tell me of it with a "see, it's not just me".

Me? I'm a cynic and don't believe what anyone says.
 

Tranquility

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If you can't trust the Pope, who can you trust?

https://wtop.com/national/2018/03/vatican-media-chief-resigns-over-doctored-letter-scandal/

VATICAN CITY (AP) — The head of the Vatican’s communications department resigned Wednesday after he mischaracterized a private letter from retired Pope Benedict XVI, then had a photo of it digitally manipulated and sent out to the media.

A week after The Associated Press exposed the doctored photo, Pope Francis accepted the resignation of Monsignor Dario Vigano and named his deputy to run the Secretariat for Communications for now. But Francis kept Vigano on in the department in a lesser capacity, indicating that he doesn’t believe the problem was all that grave...​
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...The scandal embarrassed the Vatican and led to accusations that the pope’s own communications office was spreading “fake news,” just weeks after Francis dedicated his annual media message to denouncing “fake news” and the intentional distortion of information. Francis has frequently chided journalists for only giving half of the story.
 

Tranquility

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https://www.technologyreview.com/s/...rsonalized-optimized-and-even-harder-to-stop/

Wait until the corporations find out you can use the same tools to sell soap that you can use to elect politicians.

Fake news may have already influenced politics in the US, but it’s going to get a lot worse, warns an AI consultant to the CIA.

Sean Gourley, founder and CEO of Primer, a company that uses software to mine data sources and automatically generate reports for the CIA and other clients, told a conference in San Francisco that the next generation of fake news would be far more sophisticated thanks to AI.

“The automation of the generation of fake news is going to make it very effective,” Gourley told the audience at EmTech Digital, organized by MIT Technology Review.

The warning should cause concern at Facebook. The social network has been embroiled in a scandal after failing to prevent fake news, some of it created by Russian operatives, from reaching millions of people in the months before the 2016 presidential election. More recently the company been hit by the revelation that it let Cambridge Analytica, a company tied to the Trump presidential campaign, mine users’ personal data.

In recent interviews, Facebook’s CEO, Mark Zuckerberg, suggested that the company would use AI to spot fake news. According to Gourley, AI could be used in the service of the opposite goal as well.

Gourley noted that the fake news seen to date has been relatively simple, consisting of crude, hand-crafted stories posted to social media at regular intervals. Technology such as Primer’s could easily be used to generate convincing fake stories automatically, he said, and that could mean fake reports tailored to an individual’s interests and sympathies and carefully tested before being released, to maximize their impact. “I can generate a million stories, see which ones get the most traction, double down on those,” Gourley said.

Gourley added that fake news has so far been fed into social-media platforms like Facebook essentially at random. A more sophisticated understanding of network dynamics, as well as the mechanisms used to judge the popularity of content, could amplify a post’s effect.

“Where you inject information is going to have a massive impact on how it spreads and diffuses,” Gourley said. He went on to suggest that a platform like Facebook may be inherently flawed for sharing news. “All we’ve seen at the moment is primitive, and it’s had a profound impact, and more is coming,” he said.

Gourley did, however, agree that AI would be at least part of the solution. “If machines are going to produce it on one side,” he said, “then you’d better have machines helping you sift through it on the other.”​
 

Tranquility

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-russian-bots-laura-ingraham-20180402-story.html

Embattled Fox News host Laura Ingraham has found some unlikely allies: Russian bots.

Russian-linked Twitter accounts have rallied around the conservative talk-show host, who has come under fire for attacking the young survivors of the Parkland school shooting. According to the website Hamilton 68, which tracks the spread of Russian propaganda on Twitter, the hashtag #IstandwithLaura jumped 2,800 percent in 48 hours this weekend. On Saturday night, it was the top trending hashtag among Russian campaigners.

The website botcheck.me, which tracks 1,500 "political propaganda bots," found that @ingrahamangle, @davidhogg111 and @foxnews were among the top six Twitter handles tweeted by Russia-linked accounts this weekend. "David Hogg" and "Laura Ingraham" were the top two-word phrases being shared.

Wading into controversy is a key strategy for Russian propaganda bots, which seize on divisive issues online to sow discord in the United States. Since the Feb. 14 Parkland shooting, which claimed 17 lives, Russian bots have flooded Twitter with false information about the massacre.


Researchers who follow the issue found that in the days after the shooting, #Parkland, #guncontrolnow, #Florida and #guncontrol were among the top hashtags used by Russia-linked accounts. (Previously, those accounts had been focused on special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.)

"This is pretty typical for them, to hop on breaking news like this," Jonathon Morgan, chief executive of New Knowledge, a company that tracks online disinformation campaigns, told the New York Times. "The bots focus on anything that is divisive for Americans. Almost systematically."...​
 

grampa_herb

Epstein didn't kill himself
Fake but fun!

Friday, 16 March 2018
British police find Putin's passport at scene of Salisbury poison attack



Salisbury (dpo) - Last doubts over Russia's guilt in poisoning former spy Sergei Skripal have been eliminated. As the British government announced today, the passport of Russian president Vladimir Putin was found at the scene in Salisbury.
According to Prime Minister Theresa May, the passport was only now found in another search of the scene, as it had been hidden under a fallen leaf.
“Russia has 24 hours to extradite Vladimir Putin for questioning in London”, according to a statement issued by the British government. “Refusal will be taken as admission of guilt.”
 

Tranquility

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https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/05/realitys-end/556877/

(I)n a dank corner of the internet, it is possible to find actresses from Game of Thrones or Harry Potter engaged in all manner of sex acts. Or at least to the world the carnal figures look like those actresses, and the faces in the videos are indeed their own. Everything south of the neck, however, belongs to different women. An artificial intelligence has almost seamlessly stitched the familiar visages into pornographic scenes, one face swapped for another. The genre is one of the cruelest, most invasive forms of identity theft invented in the internet era. At the core of the cruelty is the acuity of the technology: A casual observer can’t easily detect the hoax.

This development, which has been the subject of much hand-wringing in the tech press, is the work of a programmer who goes by the nom de hack “deepfakes.” And it is merely a beta version of a much more ambitious project. One of deepfakes’s compatriots told Vice’s Motherboard site in January that he intends to democratize this work. He wants to refine the process, further automating it, which would allow anyone to transpose the disembodied head of a crush or an ex or a co-worker into an extant pornographic clip with just a few simple steps. No technical knowledge would be required. And because academic and commercial labs are developing even more-sophisticated tools for non-pornographic purposes—algorithms that map facial expressions and mimic voices with precision—the sordid fakes will soon acquire even greater verisimilitude....​
 

grampa_herb

Epstein didn't kill himself
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/05/realitys-end/556877/

(I)n a dank corner of the internet, it is possible to find actresses from Game of Thrones or Harry Potter engaged in all manner of sex acts. Or at least to the world the carnal figures look like those actresses, and the faces in the videos are indeed their own. Everything south of the neck, however, belongs to different women. An artificial intelligence has almost seamlessly stitched the familiar visages into pornographic scenes, one face swapped for another. The genre is one of the cruelest, most invasive forms of identity theft invented in the internet era. At the core of the cruelty is the acuity of the technology: A casual observer can’t easily detect the hoax.

This development, which has been the subject of much hand-wringing in the tech press, is the work of a programmer who goes by the nom de hack “deepfakes.” And it is merely a beta version of a much more ambitious project. One of deepfakes’s compatriots told Vice’s Motherboard site in January that he intends to democratize this work. He wants to refine the process, further automating it, which would allow anyone to transpose the disembodied head of a crush or an ex or a co-worker into an extant pornographic clip with just a few simple steps. No technical knowledge would be required. And because academic and commercial labs are developing even more-sophisticated tools for non-pornographic purposes—algorithms that map facial expressions and mimic voices with precision—the sordid fakes will soon acquire even greater verisimilitude....​
We've come a long way since
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florduh

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The only fake news there is politifacts position. That the prior administration did not enforce the law does not make it the administration that does enforce the law wrong. Read the tweet, Trump is talking about the law while politifact is talking about administration policy.

IF the administration, prior/now/later/any, enforces the immigration law as written, THEN families will get split up. IF the administration uses a series of policies developed over time by Republican and Democrat administration's executive orders, known as catch and release, THEN families will not get split up.

Trump was literally correct in his tweet. The implications one believes he wanted the readers of the tweet to think MAY be false--depending on how you look at things.

The factchecking of news organizations and places like politifact are as much a part of the problem as anything else.

Where is the law that demands children are separated from their parents at the border? Trump said there is a "Democrat Law" that demands this. What law? What Democrat sponsored it?
 

Tranquility

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Where is the law that demands children are separated from their parents at the border? Trump said there is a "Democrat Law" that demands this. What law? What Democrat sponsored it?
I'm trying to keep this thread focused on fake news not political debate. If you want to start an immigration debate, please start an appropriate thread. (Although it will probably get shut down quickly.)
 
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RUDE BOY

Space is the Place
I'm trying to keep this thread focused on fake news not political debate. If you want to start an immigration debate, please start an appropriate thread
If you are being honest about this statement...

Why foster political discussion by posting the following...

IF the administration, prior/now/later/any, enforces the immigration law as written, THEN families will get split up. IF the administration uses a series of policies developed over time by Republican and Democrat administration's executive orders, known as catch and release, THEN families will not get split up.

Trump was literally correct in his tweet. The implications one believes he wanted the readers of the tweet to think MAY be false--depending on how you look at things.

Seems you wanna express your political views so why can't everyone else?
 

florduh

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I'm trying to keep this thread focused on fake news not political debate. If you want to start an immigration debate, please start an appropriate thread. (Although it will probably get shut down quickly.)

I don't want to start a debate on immigration or politics. I'm saying your charge that Politifact's analysis of Trump's Tweet is "Fake News", is wrong. Trump's Tweet was not literally correct, and there's no way to claim it is without twisting yourself into a pretzel. At best there was a "hint" of truth in it. That's not the same as being literally true.

I'll split the difference and say Politifact should have rated Trump's claim as "Mostly False" instead of "False". But I can't say they were the ones gaslighting and spreading Fake News here.
 

Tranquility

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If you are being honest about this statement...

Why foster political discussion by posting the following...



Seems you wanna express your political views so why can't everyone else?
In my mind, I thought it different. I still do. If you reply to this after some thought telling me it was to foster political discussion, I will edit it down and say nothing more than the prior post is not an example of fake news as being discussed in the thread.
 
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howie105

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There is a difference between fake news and manipulative presentations. On many hot button issues both sides often spin the presentation to support to their positions.
 

RUDE BOY

Space is the Place
Ok. I'll concede that I don't truly know if you're interested in discussion or if you believe somehow you're capable of making political statements without anyone feeling the need to respond to you.

If you can't see how and why someone may be moved to discuss your conclusions I don't have much else to say here.

Was that your purpose behind this thread?
 

florduh

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There is a difference between fake news and manipulative presentations. On many hot button issues both sides often spin the presentation to support to their positions.

The term "Fake News" has lost its original, pre-2016 meaning. And while I agree both sides spin and manipulate facts, I can't say it's equal. What is the Left Wing equivalent to Breitbart? HuffPo? There is no comparison.
 
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