jfrsn
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Wacky tobacky? I just got mine and really love it.
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Cannabis Hardware (formerly NewVape) FlowerPot Twax Vaporizer
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Wacky tobacky? I just got mine and really love it.
Vaporware
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I see what you mean, but uncapped at higher temps, if the whole screen isn’t covered it seems hotter and sometimes uncomfortable to me, so my assumption was that the air temp was still higher...so many variables though!
I don’t think @Stu or anyone else compared the actual air temp capped and uncapped, did they?
It’d be interesting to know if it really is as hot or if the effect is more from lower pressure causing lower temp vaporization. That’s what I thought the main difference was.
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He loved it for the “wacky” stuff, but now he’s trying actual tobacco.
We must have different circles of friends. I've never seen tobacco+weed bonghits in California.
I did run some temp tests with the FP capped/uncapped. IMO it's the pressure drop caused by the carb cap that allows vaporization to occur at lower temps. Just like water boils at a lower temp in the mountains due to the decreased pressure at altitude. So I disagree that the cap increases the temperature, but rather the lower pressure allows the oils to boil off at a lower temperature compared to a capless hit at the same PID setting. I actually found the cap to decrease the temperature (or slow the rate of temp increase) when it is placed on the bowl.
It's visible in this graph:
So that's my theory anyway. I'm not married to it, but it makes the most sense to me after measuring the bowl temps.
This is a popular thought in the concentrate community.
I do believe the reduction in air does reduce the pressure, but I'm not quite convinced it's to the point that a vacuum effect sufficient of reducing vaporization temp is occurring. (on any meaningful scale)
If you really wanted to pull a vacuum, you wouldn't want a hole in the vacuum line.
With concentrates, the hole functions to push oil around and utilize the surface area by reducing pooling.
HengefulOne
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Flowerpot Showerhead glass bowl from Ehle
Good news, looks like Steven is getting his production together on the glass bowls.
Good news, looks like Steven is getting his production together on the glass bowls.
SunnyHours
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Guess who just pulled the trigger on a new Flowerpot Bundle?!
The big news though is that NV have the Bundles back in stock, which means I had to pull the trigger!
Can't wait to receive it and have it in my hands to see the build quality and most importantly, try it out!!!
The big news though is that NV have the Bundles back in stock, which means I had to pull the trigger!
Can't wait to receive it and have it in my hands to see the build quality and most importantly, try it out!!!
Likes2vape
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SunnyHours
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Hey Guys!
Since I'm waiting for my Flowerpot to ship, I was wondering what the difference between the Panhead and Showerhead male bowls?
And what's the better carb cap for someone getting both the Showerhead and Wrap Around? The LolliCap Carb Cap or the ShowerCap Carb Cap?
Thanks!
P.S: Also if any Canadians are here, how long did it take to get here and were you hit by customs/taxes?
Since I'm waiting for my Flowerpot to ship, I was wondering what the difference between the Panhead and Showerhead male bowls?
And what's the better carb cap for someone getting both the Showerhead and Wrap Around? The LolliCap Carb Cap or the ShowerCap Carb Cap?
Thanks!
P.S: Also if any Canadians are here, how long did it take to get here and were you hit by customs/taxes?
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Vaporware
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ShovelHead and PanHead bowl differences are primarily looks. One has a little more mass, but unless you’re keeping the head on for a long time it probably won’t make much difference.
The Titanium ShowerCap is the one to use on both ShowerHeads and Wrap-Arounds now.
Also, congrats and welcome to the club!
SunnyHours
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I'm moving to a new apartment with Flatmates and it's never been an issue before, even though some of the places I've stayed at weren't 420 Friendly, but they were all temporary places so I didn't really care...I did use mostly wax though, so that might of helped?
Anyways, I'll get to the actual question...is the Flowerpot a smelly vaporizer, flower-wise??
P.S: @VaporWare Thanks
I told myself the quicker I Purchased one, the faster I could get "Return on Investment" in the form of saving money by reducing the quantity of Concentrates and Flowers, but mostly Concentrates for me since they're the my main reason it ends up costing me so much.
If I only use Flowers I won't even go through an Oz per month...If you add in Concentrates, I could probably easily go through an Oz per month I think hehe
Hopefully doing low temp Dabs and Twax Hits or just a nice dense vapor Hit of some nice AAAA Flowers will probably do the trick with the Flowerpot from all the video's I've seen so far...and it'll probably save me a bunch of money on Concentrates
Never even had an E-Nail so this is a BIG Upgrade for me
Anyways, I'll get to the actual question...is the Flowerpot a smelly vaporizer, flower-wise??
P.S: @VaporWare Thanks
I told myself the quicker I Purchased one, the faster I could get "Return on Investment" in the form of saving money by reducing the quantity of Concentrates and Flowers, but mostly Concentrates for me since they're the my main reason it ends up costing me so much.
If I only use Flowers I won't even go through an Oz per month...If you add in Concentrates, I could probably easily go through an Oz per month I think hehe
Hopefully doing low temp Dabs and Twax Hits or just a nice dense vapor Hit of some nice AAAA Flowers will probably do the trick with the Flowerpot from all the video's I've seen so far...and it'll probably save me a bunch of money on Concentrates
Never even had an E-Nail so this is a BIG Upgrade for me
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kilo
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I recently posted this review on another site:
A few lifetimes ago when I only used a Pax2 I discovered the aftermarket products offered at New Vape. Nicely made items, good customer service — I bought a few pieces to upgrade my Pax and to use it with glass.
While I'm pretty happy with my portables — primarily the Lotus and the Hopper — I knew a stationary unit would be more effective. Most of them, while well-rated, just didn't look that appealing to me. But I started hearing about the New Vape Flower Pot and the more I looked into it the more intrigued I became.
Cut to the chase: the unit arrived a few days ago and...well...it absolutely met all my high expectations. The thing is incredibly powerful. A lot of people say that vaping is more efficient than smoking, that you use less. I never found that to be true until I used the Flower Pot. Five good large rips on a pinch and the residue is a uniform dark brown. And did I say it really gets you stoned?
Being familiar with the video, I was able to assemble the unit with no difficulty. But I ran into some trouble when I plugged it in. Power was intermittent; I could twist the cord and it would flash on; I'd put it down, it would go off. I thought it must be the receptacle on the control box but just to be safe I located another power cord with a similar female end and, sure enough, that was the problem, a bad cord. (I called New Vape and they immediately offered to replace it.) Once I got that straightened out I loaded a bowl and watched the controller quickly reach the right temperature. I put the showerhead on the bowl and filled my 18mm sidecar with clouds of vapor. Inhalation was smooth and delicious.
I knew I wanted to get my technique down, though, and I tried it on a couple of my other water pieces. It definitely worked better on the ones with the larger chambers, unlike my GH and Lotus that seem to work best in smaller bongs. The other thing that requires a bit of time is just getting familiar with the process itself, how to lay out the accessories on your desk so you can reach them all easily and not get cords and accessories tangled up. The one thing that can't be emphasized enough is how hot these components get and how high you get — a potentially dangerous combination. So I recommend you spend a bit of time just going through the motions and really figuring out the flow of the process. Safe and smooth. Today I'm headed out to buy the parts needed to make a timer, as explained on the New Vape site. Just another layer of caution.
Okay, I can't really compare this thing to any of my portables. It's a different order of being. The power is unlimited: no worrying about battery life, torch performance, butane supply, bowl size. Just vape away. With a big enough bud supply you could power a whole party with this thing. I think it would be very effective in a session, but you'd really want to emphasize the danger of the hot surfaces and stay aware of what's going on. Once people understand the technique it will be fine.
There's no arguing; it's pricey. I could have bought eight VapCaps for the price I paid but I am really satisfied with this vaporizer. It's what I always dreamed that vaping could be in terms of vapor quality and efficiency. I'd like to say that I'm now totally cured of VAS — but when the legal market opens in my state I'll probably order wax and oil heads from New Vape.
A few lifetimes ago when I only used a Pax2 I discovered the aftermarket products offered at New Vape. Nicely made items, good customer service — I bought a few pieces to upgrade my Pax and to use it with glass.
While I'm pretty happy with my portables — primarily the Lotus and the Hopper — I knew a stationary unit would be more effective. Most of them, while well-rated, just didn't look that appealing to me. But I started hearing about the New Vape Flower Pot and the more I looked into it the more intrigued I became.
Cut to the chase: the unit arrived a few days ago and...well...it absolutely met all my high expectations. The thing is incredibly powerful. A lot of people say that vaping is more efficient than smoking, that you use less. I never found that to be true until I used the Flower Pot. Five good large rips on a pinch and the residue is a uniform dark brown. And did I say it really gets you stoned?
Being familiar with the video, I was able to assemble the unit with no difficulty. But I ran into some trouble when I plugged it in. Power was intermittent; I could twist the cord and it would flash on; I'd put it down, it would go off. I thought it must be the receptacle on the control box but just to be safe I located another power cord with a similar female end and, sure enough, that was the problem, a bad cord. (I called New Vape and they immediately offered to replace it.) Once I got that straightened out I loaded a bowl and watched the controller quickly reach the right temperature. I put the showerhead on the bowl and filled my 18mm sidecar with clouds of vapor. Inhalation was smooth and delicious.
I knew I wanted to get my technique down, though, and I tried it on a couple of my other water pieces. It definitely worked better on the ones with the larger chambers, unlike my GH and Lotus that seem to work best in smaller bongs. The other thing that requires a bit of time is just getting familiar with the process itself, how to lay out the accessories on your desk so you can reach them all easily and not get cords and accessories tangled up. The one thing that can't be emphasized enough is how hot these components get and how high you get — a potentially dangerous combination. So I recommend you spend a bit of time just going through the motions and really figuring out the flow of the process. Safe and smooth. Today I'm headed out to buy the parts needed to make a timer, as explained on the New Vape site. Just another layer of caution.
Okay, I can't really compare this thing to any of my portables. It's a different order of being. The power is unlimited: no worrying about battery life, torch performance, butane supply, bowl size. Just vape away. With a big enough bud supply you could power a whole party with this thing. I think it would be very effective in a session, but you'd really want to emphasize the danger of the hot surfaces and stay aware of what's going on. Once people understand the technique it will be fine.
There's no arguing; it's pricey. I could have bought eight VapCaps for the price I paid but I am really satisfied with this vaporizer. It's what I always dreamed that vaping could be in terms of vapor quality and efficiency. I'd like to say that I'm now totally cured of VAS — but when the legal market opens in my state I'll probably order wax and oil heads from New Vape.
gunmetalshark
Glass Addict
This needs further investigation, i stacked all catchers i got and look where it took me,
i was instant high af and not able to find the post anymore..and why tf do i wait to exhale before i hit the spot loool
i was instant high af and not able to find the post anymore..and why tf do i wait to exhale before i hit the spot loool
This needs further investigation, i stacked all catchers i got and look where it took me,
i was instant high af and not able to find the post anymore..and why tf do i wait to exhale before i hit the spot loool
Wow! I'm still working out how to milk a bong with this thing but I get pretty trashed and my hits don't have even close to that much vapor! I bet that was quite the ride
SunnyHours
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@kilo glad you are cured of VAS Hehe
I still need to acquire a VapCap (if only I could try one...whether the M or a Omni/Omni XL...hit me up if in Montreal)
And a strong and high class Portable vape...I'd say the S&B Mighty but the lack of user replaceable battery is bugging me a bit.
Maybe I'll just get some new PVHES stems for my OG Solo. (They really do make ALL the difference...I try to be as cheap as possible and even then I'd rather pay over 3x the price of a normal Stem)
You know, until there's a portable that does both Flowers AND Concentrates with efficiency and also capable of big hits...think of a Mighty with User Replaceable Batteries that also does Concentrates as well as it does Flowers...that's what I'm looking for Hehe
I still need to acquire a VapCap (if only I could try one...whether the M or a Omni/Omni XL...hit me up if in Montreal)
And a strong and high class Portable vape...I'd say the S&B Mighty but the lack of user replaceable battery is bugging me a bit.
Maybe I'll just get some new PVHES stems for my OG Solo. (They really do make ALL the difference...I try to be as cheap as possible and even then I'd rather pay over 3x the price of a normal Stem)
You know, until there's a portable that does both Flowers AND Concentrates with efficiency and also capable of big hits...think of a Mighty with User Replaceable Batteries that also does Concentrates as well as it does Flowers...that's what I'm looking for Hehe
For the price of an M you cant really go wrong, I wouldn't say I use mine all the time but I don't regret picking one up
btka
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We must have different circles of friends. I've never seen tobacco+weed bonghits in California.
I did run some temp tests with the FP capped/uncapped. IMO it's the pressure drop caused by the carb cap that allows vaporization to occur at lower temps. Just like water boils at a lower temp in the mountains due to the decreased pressure at altitude. So I disagree that the cap increases the temperature, but rather the lower pressure allows the oils to boil off at a lower temperature compared to a capless hit at the same PID setting. I actually found the cap to decrease the temperature (or slow the rate of temp increase) when it is placed on the bowl.
It's visible in this graph:
So that's my theory anyway. I'm not married to it, but it makes the most sense to me after measuring the bowl temps.
in my opinion the carb cap slows down the airflow trough the showerhead that is why the temp rises when you put the cap on (air passes slower trough the thermal mass of sh and will therefore get hotter)... if you draw faster the air does not heat up as much... you can achieve in my opinion the same results with same temp without cab cap you only have to slow down your draw... it is like you put a piece of metall formexample in boiling water when you only put it for one second in the water it will not get as hot as if you would let it sit for one minute (in this example the boilin water is the showerhead and the metall is the air which heats up) but that is only guessing...
SunnyHours
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@exony @Stu Yeah Cannabis and Tobacco together in a bong is really weird (and gross from my experience, a dare at 15yo lol).
Back in the days when I first started snoking once a week on the weekends, probably around 14-15yo, we would put a little bit of tobacco in our joints. But nowadays, I find it disgusting to mix tobacco with Cannabis, even in a joint or blunt...
When my friends and I became more and more health conscious, we slowly stopped smoking cigarettes or switched to vaping Nicotine...
Then I started getting into Cannabis Vaping...showed all my friends, they appreciate it but don't want to make the investment.
If one of my friends has a pipe (that's Not the shitty metal pipes) it's a miracle! If they have a bong, chances are it's because I gave it to them or lent it to them...
Typing this makes me think I have my SYN Tall Showerhead Bong and my Black 3.5" Space Case to get back from a friend...
Back in the days when I first started snoking once a week on the weekends, probably around 14-15yo, we would put a little bit of tobacco in our joints. But nowadays, I find it disgusting to mix tobacco with Cannabis, even in a joint or blunt...
When my friends and I became more and more health conscious, we slowly stopped smoking cigarettes or switched to vaping Nicotine...
Then I started getting into Cannabis Vaping...showed all my friends, they appreciate it but don't want to make the investment.
If one of my friends has a pipe (that's Not the shitty metal pipes) it's a miracle! If they have a bong, chances are it's because I gave it to them or lent it to them...
Typing this makes me think I have my SYN Tall Showerhead Bong and my Black 3.5" Space Case to get back from a friend...
Just wait until your bong smoking friends get to try out your FP. They will be converts 
Your story sounds like mine except I found vaping cannabis back in the 90's and didnt get on the ecig vapor train until 2009. Either way vapor rocks and the FP will deliver satisfaction even to smokers 
Your story sounds like mine except I found vaping cannabis back in the 90's and didnt get on the ecig vapor train until 2009. Either way vapor rocks and the FP will deliver satisfaction even to smokers 
Justpassedu
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Herb vapes were not designed for tobacco use. Do a little search and you will find that most that have tried tobacco with the vapes around the forum have not yielded great results or taste. Now if you are looking for something for tobacco use I believe there are a few companies making them specifically for use such as one in Europe called the Iqos : http://vaperanks.com/phillip-morris-launches-new-type-of-smokeless-cigarette/ , and whoever told you vaping tobacco or mixing it with flower is popular on the east and west coast must be originally from a European country bc it is not . I been living and traveling in the U.S. all my life born and raised.
@wall you should be almost milking all glass instantly with the Fp. What are your temps ? are you carb capping ? Is your flower any good and somewhat dry ?
Maybe I am, I'm not doing it in a mirror or anything but I'll have to, pretty decent stuff and I'm trying out around 550. For the record it's not like I'm not getting completely high off my ass (low tolerance) the FP for me is more like hey I'm here to party kind of situation opposed to I'm just going to get a buzz
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So you got it, nice. In just a few sessions I have fine-tuned it to my liking how's it going so far?
Unfortunately people in canada do em, they are called poppers, totally gross.We must have different circles of friends. I've never seen tobacco+weed bonghits in California.
I did run some temp tests with the FP capped/uncapped. IMO it's the pressure drop caused by the carb cap that allows vaporization to occur at lower temps. Just like water boils at a lower temp in the mountains due to the decreased pressure at altitude. So I disagree that the cap increases the temperature, but rather the lower pressure allows the oils to boil off at a lower temperature compared to a capless hit at the same PID setting. I actually found the cap to decrease the temperature (or slow the rate of temp increase) when it is placed on the bowl.
It's visible in this graph:
So that's my theory anyway. I'm not married to it, but it makes the most sense to me after measuring the bowl temps.
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Maybe I am, I'm not doing it in a mirror or anything but I'll have to, pretty decent stuff and I'm trying out around 550. For the record it's not like I'm not getting completely high off my ass (low tolerance) the FP for me is more like hey I'm here to party kind of situation opposed to I'm just going to get a buzz
That's like bare minimum temp for the FP IME. You can easily go 100-200 degrees higher if you wanted bigger rips.
Justpassedu
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Got ya , well enjoy either way. 550F is pretty low which explains a bit why they not be so milky.Maybe I am, I'm not doing it in a mirror or anything but I'll have to, pretty decent stuff and I'm trying out around 550. For the record it's not like I'm not getting completely high off my ass (low tolerance) the FP for me is more like hey I'm here to party kind of situation opposed to I'm just going to get a buzz
I once theorized the same: slower airflow = hotter temps because faster airflow overwhelms the heater. However after measuring temps at various air flow rates, I've found that the point at which the FP heater gets "overwhelmed" and can't keep up the temp is much higher than I can recreate with my own lungs. I believe my own typical draw is ~5 liters/minute whereas the pump I ran my tests with was over double that. So in this instance, the slower airflow rate in the FP with the carb cap applied actually causes a drop in temperate at the load.
