Discontinued Lil' Bud by Vapwood

Bravesst

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It's a good time to talk mouthpieces. I don't make mouthpieces, I have to source them from various possible places. Wood stems are easy, @Alan will make whatever you can basically dream of, in many different wood options. You can go directly to him, or order with your Lil' Bud.

What comes with the unit is a long glass stem. I am not a glass cutter, and this is basically what I've found so far. It's quite functional, will get the job done really well, and comes with the bare bones unit. I like amber, but that seems to be the hardest to find. I can find blue cobalt, and lake green, once I can get amber, I'll stock up. I may look into getting the tubes cut, the supplier won't do it, but maybe locally.

Glass can be weird, see that amber short stem in the middle unit, bottom pic? It's the only stem that doesn't fit these 3 units. Not sure why, but it's probably just a drop large. When I drill the holes out, I test with a couple of different stems before I'm satisfied. Things like this always shock me. Notice Alan's stems sitting perfectly in their counterpart female joint.

By the way, these are my 3 stooges who are going to get used like crazy all weekend. I wish I had some amateur vapists coming over to trash the shit out of them and see how they hold up. That will happen soon enough, just maybe not tomorrow. I'll do my best.

I gotta mention, the grain on that walnut unit is sick (lower pic, left unit), can't see it so much from the front. I'm going to be on the look out for swirly grain patterns, and then couple with some really dark walnut. I'm glad I went with the low profile switch, it takes up lots of room inside the unit, but not as stealth on the outside.

Let the testing begin!

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P.A.M.

Vapo Rising
Wow wow wow , talk about fucking combustion in style ! That first unit on the Left is just marvellous!!! I'm going to have to search the couch for a few dollars bills y'all and go all wood! ... the work of two master builders in one unit !

Thank you for the pics, Mike, today is good day indeed seeing those !! Props to @Alan as well for his part in the lil'bud!
 

Bravesst

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Alan and I mention this all the time. It's the coil that is sheer genius. Everything else is a support structure housing the coil, enabling it to do its thing. I have developed the skill, under his tutelage, to build coils myself, adapting it to the Lil' Bud design. However, having his expertise to fall back on has been invaluable. He is always willing to help or share his extensive knowledge on this, or many other topics to advance this project. I am deeply appreciative of all his help.
 

Bravesst

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I've purchased lots of switches until I settled upon the current model. I found it on ebay, long shipping wait, then finally it was on amazon, and like 3x the price. Unfortunately, I only grabbed 10 on amazon because I have a boat load on that slow boat from China, but so far no switches have arrived. Went back to amazon and the price doubled in 2 weeks. Not sure if I should wait to see if it drops, or it will go up more. I got a small order, and hopefully my ebay orders arrive soon. What I'm afraid of really is that availability might disappear, so I might be forced to stock up.
 

ZC

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You aren't using the same switch that Alan is using for the iHeat base? It looks extremely similar in pictures.

Sorry if I missed this, but does the Lil'Bud have a "guitar pic" equivalent safety to prevent unwanted button presses while the battery is installed?

I'm loving the two-toned look.
 

P.A.M.

Vapo Rising
I've purchased lots of switches until I settled upon the current model. I found it on ebay, long shipping wait, then finally it was on amazon, and like 3x the price. Unfortunately, I only grabbed 10 on amazon because I have a boat load on that slow boat from China, but so far no switches have arrived. Went back to amazon and the price doubled in 2 weeks. Not sure if I should wait to see if it drops, or it will go up more. I got a small order, and hopefully my ebay orders arrive soon. What I'm afraid of really is that availability might disappear, so I might be forced to stock up.
I really dig the low profile of the new switch. Are they made of same material ?

Either way , it doesn't change things much and I won't mind having the "other" switch if it helps you utilize that said lot and save one of the newer switch for another unit. I could always find myself a switch later on and "switch the switch" .

Up to you if prefer waiting and having all lil'buds identical 'switch wise' . It surely is worth the wait. Or if you revert to using the first switch again, I won't mind the second one , haha.

I wonder if your switches are on the same boat as my batteries are. :rofl:

You aren't using the same switch that Alan is using for the iHeat base? It looks extremely similar in pictures.

Sorry if I missed this, but does the Lil'Bud have a "guitar pic" equivalent safety to prevent unwanted button presses while the battery is installed?

I'm loving the two-toned look.

If you look on page 7 , There is a photo of 4 lil'bud laying down on their sides. You might be able to see the differences between the two switches talked about. (They do look very similar from face view) One sticks out quite abit , the other as a lower profile and seems flatter.
 

Bravesst

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Could very well be Alan's switch, as he recommended it to me. As far as safety, there will be an on board battery block, a small tab that will fit in between contact and battery. It will be stored in the battery compartment when not in use. I'll have pics of it soon. But the best bet, in my opinion, is to pop the battery out, and store safely in an 18650 case. The battery pops in and out very easily, so this is almost as easy as shimming the contact. Either way, play it safe and don't just leave battery connected in the device.

I've explored shut off switches, most are so tiny, even though rated at 2 amps, I just don't see the ones I've tried so far as not reducing conductivity, making the battery work harder, creating more risk. I have a larger, rocker style switch that would necessitate the unit growing a good half inch. Maybe Timber will get that.

Remove battery or use safety tab. I'll probably include a couple with each unit.

@ZC
The biggest difference between the two switches is the low profile switch sits mostly in the unit, not on the outside, makes it more of a challenge to wire the switch box, but well worth the extra work. I can go through a list of positive choices I made designing / building / tweaking Lil' Bud. While there is nothing better than finding a better, faster, more efficient way to complete a job, it can be never at the expense of quality.

These were some of the choices I made when building Lil' Bud

Utilize an all wood body. I had to learn how to create a tapered female 19/22 joint.

Stay away from all adhesives, and thanks to the development of switch box configuration, it acts as a cap, hiding all wiring, without having to resort to a glued or screwed cap.

Coil heater just cranks, a true powerhouse, but still saving battery life, keeping things as cool as possible. Mounting it to a wooden disk, and installing at final assembly, determines the quality of the vape more than anything else.

Side load battery necessitates a mortise to be cut with perfect specifications. My woodworking skills / tools paid off here. Finished off with a beautiful wood lid, another opportunity for contrast.

The invention of the switch box, a true engineering accomplishment.

The battery contact configuration and wiring are simple, efficient, with not much to go wrong. It's all about conductivity.

The unit can be taken apart and put back together because you never know what might happen.

In the end, finished with love with pure, hot beeswax after many, many, rounds of planing and sanding.

The devil is in the details.
 
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Bravesst

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So sorry for not posting coil porn...Coils aren't big on photo ops, unlike wood, who just loves the spotlight. I promise that the next marathon coil session, I take a pic or two. The good news is, coils are finding homes.

With each day I spend in the shop, doing what I love, I realize that this is only the beginning. What I'm observing is certain things that used to be quite difficult, are getting ---- dare I say it---- ROUTINE. It's only a matter of time before this becomes one ironed out process.

With that thought in my mind, I don't mind spending more time on things at this point, if that's what it takes to put out a quality product.

Full Steam Ahead!
 
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Bravesst

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Thanks so much. I've been giving lots of attention to *Vape Safety*, and have added a safety section to the user guide. Before units ship, this will be finalized. I know most of it is very basic stuff for you guys, but it's nice to be reminded sometimes. What's nice is GoDaddy. I can spend five minutes on something that would have taken hours when I used to manually write the code. Now I can devote just about all my time to building versus editing.

https://vapwood.com/user-guide

UPDATE ON TODAY'S MARATHON SESSION

Today was a little of everything. Retrofitted some new switch boxes, developed a much better way to match switch box to unit, thought of a way to make entire unit out of the same piece of wood with only a little extra work (special orders), built some coils, got frustrated, but some more coils, added the third vent hole (going to have to add it to units already built because it makes a improves everything), cleaned up my assembly / electric shop.

I've got ten units to test, tonight. Just to see the overall effect, before I get into serious testing of each unit, I'm taking a few hits, off same stem, switching it from one unit to the next, seeing how far I can take it.
 
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Bravesst

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Hello Boys and Girls,

Took a break from assembly and coil making. I picked up some more cherry, and got started on another pretty large batch of 12 cherry units with walnut or cherry switchboxes. I love being out in the wood shop. I cut 12 mortises for the battery housing, using a hand held router. Next 2 steps happen on the router table, cutting out for the lid and rounding edges. Then each unit gets cut to length, and the first hole is drilled. At this point I cut out for the switch box, using a *sled* on the table saw. Before going any further, I pair the unit to a switch box, cutting everything to length at once. Lastly, 3 more holes are drilled into main body, while the switch box needs two. Next it's on to assembly, and things slow down a bit.

UPDATE ON TEN WORKING UNITS
Doesn't seem to be much difference unit to unit, and that's a good thing. I'm noticing the tight battery compartment in a few units that were finished. This won't be an issue on future units. Now it's just a matter of opening up a bit (time). I experimented with vent holes and 3 seams ideal, even though performance is really good with 2. I like an open draw sweeping in from all sides under the coil.

Unlike the iHeat in a Witcher box (coil but regulated), you can benefit from feathering the trigger. To self regulate, there is a bit of a balance that must happen between draw speed and button depression. The instant heat (coil) makes it simple to read what's happening right away and adjust. I

I haven't built lids for all the working units. I will start building lids so we can decide on contrast or same wood. Part of me thinks same might be nicer here. I probably won't get any long shop time until Thursday, but then things should start happening.
 
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Bravesst

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Testing units is real work, no joke. I was using post it notes, but am moving to a journal as well. I realize I have to spend a week or so and get really serious about this. Working with the first ten, comparing, challenging them to extremes, combusting on purpose, passing a single stem from unit to unit, taking a stem from beginning to end, microdose, feathering, weak battery, full battery, life of battery, is quite time consuming and can't be done while I'm building. I need this information for the next build. This is kind of like breeding, passing along the traits you want to continue, maybe adapting to new circumstances.

Interesting side to vape building.
 

sickmanfraud

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Testing units is real work, no joke. I was using post it notes, but am moving to a journal as well. I realize I have to spend a week or so and get really serious about this. Working with the first ten, comparing, challenging them to extremes, combusting on purpose, passing a single stem from unit to unit, taking a stem from beginning to end, microdose, feathering, weak battery, full battery, life of battery, is quite time consuming and can't be done while I'm building. I need this information for the next build. This is kind of like breeding, passing along the traits you want to continue, maybe adapting to new circumstances.

Interesting side to vape building.

@Bravesst If you need help with all of the testing just ask. I will happily sit at your shop testing out lots and lots and lots of Lil bud's to make sure the quality is where you want it.

BTW, If I am interested in a unit from one piece of wood (walnut or cherry) where and when can I get added to a waitlist??
 

Bravesst

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@sickmanfraud
Thanks for your offer my friend. I can help you out making the entire unit out of a single piece. When I build Lil' Buds, I generally work cut all the dimensions to size except length. First I cut out for the battery and lid, route the edges, then cut to length.

Next, to get the same wood look, I can leave extra stock for the switch box stock at one end, cut to length and save the cut off (which will be the switch box). I can then make a cutout for the switch box on the main body, and build the switch box from what I've set aside, cutting it to length, pairing it with the cutout on the main body. A bit more involved than just cutting a string of switch boxes, but do-able. Let me build one, see how long it takes, and I'll let you know the extra cost.

If you can go on the website to get on the wait list that would help me out record keeping wise. It's a simple 3 line form.

Click the link below to take you right there. Just add a note about the same wood unit.
Thanks!

https://vapwood.com/waiting-list-1
 
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sickmanfraud

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@sickmanfraud
Thanks for your offer my friend. I can help you out making the entire unit out of a single piece. When I build Lil' Buds, I generally work cut all the dimensions to size except length. First I cut out for the battery and lid, route the edges, then cut to length.

Next, to get the same wood look, I can leave extra stock for the switch box stock at one end, cut to length and save the cut off (which will be the switch box). I can then make a cutout for the switch box on the main body, and build the switch box from what I've set aside, cutting it to length, pairing it with the cutout on the main body. A bit more involved than just cutting a string of switch boxes, but do-able. Let me build one, see how long it takes, and I'll let you know the extra cost.

If you can go on the website to get on the wait list that would help me out record keeping wise. It's a simple 3 line form.

Click the link below to take you right there. Just add a note about the same wood unit.
Thanks!

https://vapwood.com/waiting-list-1

Thank you, Added to wait lists
 

SloJimFizz

Unknown Member
It is awesome watching the development of this vape happen. Looking forward to it.
Lol at your self beta testing woes. It's a dirty job, but someone's gotta do it. I'd be there with my own supply given the chance.
When my name comes up, I'll happily pay the extra fee you decide on for the same piece of wood look. Not a must, but having that upgrade option would be awesome.
 

namasteIII

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Testing units is real work, no joke. I was using post it notes, but am moving to a journal as well. I realize I have to spend a week or so and get really serious about this. Working with the first ten, comparing, challenging them to extremes, combusting on purpose, passing a single stem from unit to unit, taking a stem from beginning to end, microdose, feathering, weak battery, full battery, life of battery, is quite time consuming and can't be done while I'm building. I need this information for the next build. This is kind of like breeding, passing along the traits you want to continue, maybe adapting to new circumstances.

Interesting side to vape building.

Consider picking some trusty members for a beta testing team? could go a long way to making your end product of great quality. Something to think about IMO.
 

P.A.M.

Vapo Rising
I think it's more a question of wanting to achieve uniformity and consistency. Having 5+ beta team wouldn't necessarily answer those questions. We all have different draw speed, techniques , etc.

I personally don't doubt the vape works and that @Bravesst knows what's good and what isn't .

The people who pre-ordered or the "first batch" will in a sense be the "beta" folks. Bravesst will/would be able to tweak from there, if seeing many feel the same way on a certain aspect.

I never heard the term "beta" so much in my life prior to joining FC a year and half ago. :lol:
 

Bravesst

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@PAM
Right now it's all about consistency. I expect valuable feedback from the first few batches, but I want no surprises. Testing these units is me trying to find any surprises.

So not much shop time today. Cut 12 mortises yesterday, and didn't square them up by hand. I managed to square up all twelve today, by far the most consistent batch, and least amount of finish chisel work (just means router work was better). No matter how perfect, there still needs to be squaring of the ends.

Just like in any woodworking project, the sequencing of tasks is critical to consistency, accuracy, and speed. This last batch I worked with two, 48 inch boards, cutting them to width (60mm) and thickness (28mm). On one 28mm side of each board, I mark out 6 bodies, battery cavities. That leaves plenty of room between units, as well as nice long ends. These two board get clamped into my router jig that is all set up to cut the 75mm mortise without too much fuss. 12 mortises from beginning to end, about 3 hours.

Housing the battery in a mortise was critical to the design of Lil' Bud instead of drilling a 3/4 inch hole and just dumping the battery in. When I first started building Lil' Bud prototypes, this design feature was quite time consuming, and I worried how I'd keep pricing fair. Now I am happy to report, it's a manageable task. I suspect that every process will come around to this situation. The electrical stuff might take a bit longer, but it's already happening. Alan swears, he'll make an electrician out of me yet. I don't doubt it.

Another reason I went back into the wood shop is a slight delay in all the parts I need. I don't think it will interfere with shipping dates, as there is plenty of *other* work to do while I get everything I need. No worries, just minor issues that I'm sure all manufactures have.

Believe me, for many reasons, I literally can't wait to ship the first batch. I know some of you guys feel the same way. Sales and waiting list sign ups continue to trickle in, after many sales / sign ups initially. I hate sounding like an advertisement. I hated that when I owned my gym and just wanted to train people. But I do have a vape to sell, and sharing information, not hype, is the way to create loyal, happy customers.
 

Bravesst

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So, continuing from my last post, when I marketed my last business, I learned a bit about advertising and writing copy. From what I was able to gather, people buy with their emotions. Until you invoke and emotional response. And the best way to do that is to list your product's / service's RESULTS vs FEATURES.

For example Lil' Bud comes with the following features that translate into the listed results...

Hand crafted / RESULT: looks awesome, works well
Portable / RESULT: stealth, easy to stow, store)
On demand / RESULT: rapid, ready whenever you are
Unregulated / RESULT: you're in total control, simple to use, nothing to break
All wood / RESULT: looks awesome, pristine, adhesive free air path, no glass to break
Convection / RESULT: sweet, potent vapor
Coil Mesh Heater / RESULT: fast, efficient, dependable

Not too hypey, just the facts mam (obscure Dragnet reference).
 
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