Crackdown on Legalized Marijuana

Tranquility

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It is also incumbent on the person to uphold the law to properly understand the various hierarchy of such laws at all levels to include state laws for commerce wholly within the state.

The commerce clause has been stretched out beyond any sort of recognition by a Federal government intent on homogenizing our country.

Further, its incumbent upon politicians at ALL levels of government to recognize that the ONLY power they have it conveyed to them by their constituents and they all have a responsibility to understand the will of the people as expressed through direct and representative democratic actions and not try to put people in jail because the wheels of goverment turn more slowly (or not at all) than the evolving will of the electorate. .Sor

The fact that a majority of the people in this country support legalization, and a vast majority support the Federal government staying out of state level MJ laws, must be recognized and honored, IMO.
I disagree. The only polls that matter are elections. The elections for federal representatives have passed laws to make the situation as it is today. Until they change things, it is the responsibility for the executive to reflect the will of the people as told him by the elected representatives in the Constitutional way. That that way is slower than the whims of the people is not a bug.

Otherwise, we should 86 the assholes which is looking like a very real possibility for some of these jerk offs.
Absolutely on the same page.

By the by, the leftist Democrats seem to be strongly in favor of individual rights....until its an issue for which they want to tell you what to do...for your own good.
I don't think either party can claim to be liberal any longer. (At least in the classical sense.) It also seems true to me that in the U.S., the further left you go, the less liberal you are.
 
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nickdanger

Collector of Functional Art
What concerns me the most regarding this directive is Sessions' recent stance on reaffirming the asset forfeiture practices that have been in force by LE community. This potentially puts assets of the cannabis industry (millions of $$) in jeopardy of confiscation. High value = rich target.
 

His_Highness

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
Sessions is about to cause more trouble for the republicans than he knows AND some of it will land on Trump AND when someone causes Trump to feel political pain their days are numbered.
- The majority of voters (regardless of party) want legalization. There's no gerrymandering that can help him here. You can't go against the majority in politics and survive for long.
- The tax revenue side of legalization and the new tax laws are going to make every tax dollar count since there will be way less of them to go around.

I have friends and family that work in education and government funded social programs. I have reminded them that they are going to experience big budget cuts that affect the Non-rich once the tax revenue drops "bigly" in the future. Tax dollars from legalization are going to be way more important once the nation starts to see the deficit effect.
 

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
I really don’t think Sessions will be able to end legal cannabis that easily. We also have a lot of Social Services in our state paid for from cannabis taxes. The feds want to cut medical insurance for the poor. A portion of the cannabis tax dollars goes for that in WA state. WTF? Those in office wants to do away with our states improving the lives of its citizens. Cannabis is a great solution. I would much rather have taxed cannabis vs higher gas or property tax. We voted for legal in 9 states so far.

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Tranquility

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Senators from both parties have told the administration the cannabis enforcement mentioned in the letter is unacceptable and they will slow down the approval of Trump's nominees unless it is rescinded. That lead to a tweet:

"We've reached the point at which senators are threatening to understaff the executive if the executive doesn't decline to enforce the laws over which senators have control. "

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For a good summary of the meaning of the letter, see the PopeHat blawg article from a sympathetic and knowledgeable attorney.

https://www.popehat.com/2018/01/04/...eral-sessions-threatened-action-on-marijuana/
 
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Baron23

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That lead to a tweet:

"We've reached the point at which senators are threatening to understaff the executive if the executive doesn't decline to enforce the laws over which senators have control. "

Tweet from whom?
 
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florduh

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I'm not a political/partisan person.

That having been said, both Parties are NOT equally bad.

The Democratic Party Platform in 2016 called for a pathway to legalization.

The Republican Party gave us Jeff Sessions.
 

Tranquility

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I'm not a political/partisan person.

That having been said, both Parties are NOT equally bad.

The Democratic Party Platform in 2016 called for a pathway to legalization.

The Republican Party gave us Jeff Sessions.
Party platforms are pretty much irrelevant feel-goods to particular portions of their colloquium.

The Republican Party did not give us Jeff Sessions, Trump did.

For those who want depth on the marijuana/federalism issue, see (This is a scholarly report from a law professor.):
https://scholarlycommons.law.case.e...-i&httpsredir=1&article=1039&context=caselrev

Although written back in 2015, the parties' positions were described (in part [odd numbers are to footnotes and citations in the report]):

Questions about the proper balance between the federal and state government have endured since the nation’s founding. Marijuana policy is just the latest battleground in this longstanding conflict. It is also an issue that could cut across traditional right–left political lines.

Drug policy reform is often seen as a “liberal” issue. Conservatives are expected to be “tough on crime, and voters who support marijuana legalization are more likely to support Democratic political candidates. Yet many Democrats continue to oppose changes to marijuana laws,21 and it is those on the political right who are more likely to call for allowing states to deviate from one-size-fits-all federal policies and serve as “laboratories of democracy.”22 On everything from environmental regulation to education policy, Republican officeholders argue that individual states should be able to adopt their own policy priorities, free from federal interference.

Does conservative support for a greater policy decentralization mean conservatives may support state marijuana policy initiatives? Perhaps. Republican support for legislation that would give states greater leeway to pursue their own marijuana policies appears to be growing, even if most of the support for such measures (and legalization generally) comes from the Democratic side of the aisle. In May 2014, the House of Representatives passed a measure barring the Department of Justice or Drug Enforcement Administration from spending federal monies on efforts to prevent states from implementing state laws that allow for medical marijuana.23 The measure was sponsored by Representative Dana Rohrbacher, (R-CA) and supported by another forty-eight Republicans. The prior time such a measure had been proposed, not even thirty House Republicans would support it. 21.

As Republicans gear up for the 2016 presidential election, several potential candidates have voiced support for state prerogative. Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) and former Texas Governor Rick Perry— two prominent conservatives—have both stated that states should be able to set their own marijuana policies even though each has also said that he personally opposes legalization.24 Speaking of the Colorado ballot initiative to the Conservative Political Action Conference in 2015, Senator Cruz explained, “If the citizens of Colorado decide they want to go down that road, that’s their prerogative. I personally don’t agree with it, but that’s their right.”25

Other prominent Republicans, such as former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, have also expressed a willingness to consider letting each state go its own way, particularly so long as activities in one state are not allowed to have significant effects upon its neighbors.26 While running for Vice President in 2012, Representative Paul Ryan (RWis.) also expressed support for letting states decide whether to legalize medical marijuana—at least temporarily. He told a Colorado television station that he believed Washington should “let the states decide what they want to do with these things.”27 Within days, however, the campaign claimed that Ryan supported Mitt Romney’s position and opposed any legalization of marijuana.28

The Romney campaign’s hostility to any discussion of marijuana policy reform is understandable given the longstanding conservative hostility to drug policy reform.29 In some cases, conservative commentators have suggested that state-level reform efforts could be challenged on federalism grounds.30 If nothing else, federalism limits on state power may complicate state regulatory efforts.31
 
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florduh

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Party platforms are pretty much irrelevant feel-goods to particular portions of their colloquium.

I don't think I agree with that in this case. If the Democratic Candidate most voters chose was President, I wouldn't need to worry about the legal Cannabis Industry being completely destroyed right now.

The Republican Party did not give us Jeff Sessions, Trump did.

I sort of agree that Trump isn't a real Republican. But Republican politicians largely support him. However, Jeff Sessions IS a real Republican. Any way you slice this, our current predicament was created by the Republican Party.

Look, I don't think either political party is great. But I'm, done with this false equivalency nonsense.

If legal Cannabis is important to you, it's pretty clear what Party you should be voting for in the near future...

Though if I was in Colorado, I'd consider voting for Gardner. He basically told Jeff to go fuck himself.
 

Tranquility

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I don't think I agree with that in this case. If the Democratic Candidate most voters chose was President, I wouldn't need to worry about the legal Cannabis Industry being completely destroyed right now.
If you compare the person validly elected by Constitutional rules' position with the one who brags being the biggest loser should mean something's positions taken during the campaign, you will find one far more favorable towards medical marijuana than the other. So, when you say "legal Cannabis Industry", you are referring to those dealing with the recreational side.

I sort of agree that Trump isn't a real Republican. But Republican politicians largely support him. However, Jeff Sessions IS a real Republican. Any way you slice this, our current predicament was created by the Republican Party.
By "real" Republican, many use the pejorative GOPe or Establishment Republican. Tarnishing the entire party when I quoted a referenced source describing the split within the party can be sliced many ways. Many of them put the "predicament" on the part of the Will of the People; both Democrat and Republican.

Look, I don't think either political party is great. But I'm, done with this false equivalency nonsense.
Both parties are evil and wrong in my opinion. But, the hypocrisy on marijuana is evident from both. I think the greater in this instance are those who are more against it but are willing to experiment to see if it works out. The lesser in this instance are those who are more for it, but have done nothing but lip service to further the goal.

If legal Cannabis is important to you, it's pretty clear what Party you should be voting for in the near future...
I disagree. Not only do we need to distinguish between medical and recreational, but also we need to think about what we want as an end game. I want to win. I don't want to not lose. We are at the beginning of a potential change that could be called revolutionary. A revolution with important members from both sides of the aisle leading the charge. Vote for who you want for the reasons you want. It's just that the question is harder than many here let on and it is not easy to see the best people to lead us down the proper path. At least to me.

Though if I was in Colorado, I'd consider voting for Gardner. He basically told Jeff to go fuck himself.
When the feds demand each state have reasonable access to abortion or to Christian cake makers for same-sex weddings, if some senator tells the feds to pound sand, I'm sure your support will be appreciated.
 

florduh

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@OldNewbie The most charitable thing I can say about the Trump Admin is that hopefully the actions of our terrible Attorney General will force Congress to enact the will of the people into law.

I have heard Trump voters tell me all about how Pro-Weed Trump is. He did make some pleasant noises about Medical Marijuana during the campaign. But you can't take this guy at his word. He has no actual principles, and likely doesn't even remember what he said.

It was very clear before the election that Trump's short list for AG were Sessions, Giuliani, and Christie. All rabid prohibitionists. Casting a vote for Trump in the belief that anything good would happen to the Cannabis Industry... was in my opinion, foolish.

At the end of the day, if Clinton was President, we would not be in this predicament. At the very least, the Cole Memo would be left intact.

All of the most vocal prohibitionist politicians have a (R) after their name.

People then look at Dems who are largely milquetoast on legalization and say "oh look, both Parties are equally bad." That is a false equivalency.
 

macbill

Oh No! Mr macbill!!
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If wishes were horses then beggars would ride.

The biggest thing at stake here, as far as all the legal states are concerned, is losing enormous revenue streams. States that have tasted the sweet taxes generated from cannabis are hooked. They are going to fight this tooth and nail: they don't want to lose that money stream, coupled with the savings states have in not arresting, prosecuting, and jailing folks who just want an illegal smile.

The desire for change will eventually put like-minded politicians in office. It's inevitable, just not predictable.
 

MinnBobber

Well-Known Member
If legal Cannabis is important to you, it's pretty clear what Party you should be voting for in the near future...
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that's for sure and it's the NOT the Republican Party OR the Democratic Party.
Did other states have the Legal Marijuana Now Party on their ballots??

We had that as an option for those that felt legal cannabis is really really really important to them on so many fronts. Life and death and prison and freedom and basic human rights to obtain medicine of our informed choice.
 

florduh

Well-Known Member
that's for sure and it's the NOT the Republican Party OR the Democratic Party.
Did other states have the Legal Marijuana Now Party on their ballots??

Respectfully, I could not disagree with you more. I admire your idealism. But the "Legal Marijuana Party" isn't going to win. A Republican or Democrat is going to win.

You've seen what the Republican Party gives you: Jeff Sessions and the possible destruction of the Cannabis Industry. Personally I'd vote for the imperfect, but far preferable, Democrat.
 

MinnBobber

Well-Known Member
Respectfully, I could not disagree with you more. I admire your idealism. But the "Legal Marijuana Party" isn't going to win. A Republican or Democrat is going to win.

You've seen what the Republican Party gives you: Jeff Sessions and the possible destruction of the Cannabis Industry. Personally I'd vote for the imperfect, but far preferable, Democrat.
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Well, that depends if you found either Hillary or Trump even remotely trustworthy, and I did not.

My vote was just to send a message, that I felt needed sending: cannabis legalization is really important for so many reasons and the two main candidates are unacceptable/ both parties need to do better.
 

psychonaut

Company Rep
Company Rep
I see that EPA chief Pruitt is eyeing AG job. Probably worse than Sessions IMO.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/05/scott-pruitt-us-attorney-general-position-326373

I am glad to see my republican senator speak up for our legal cannabis and the federal prosecutor that represents Colorado said they wouldn't change their position on enforcing federal law over legal cannabis within the state. While not everyone in Colorado is happy with legal cannabis, the state of Colorado has our back. I think this is going to be quite a funny experiment that will only backfire.
 

florduh

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Well, that depends if you found either Hillary or Trump even remotely trustworthy, and I did not.

My vote was just to send a message, that I felt needed sending: cannabis legalization is really important for so many reasons and the two main candidates are unacceptable/ both parties need to do better.


I think Hillary is dishonest. But not even close to as dishonest as Trump. And if she was President, we wouldn't have the Attorney General telling US Attorneys to go after marijuana businesses.

I wasn't a huge fan of her. But it's pretty clear who was better for Cannabis users.
 
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Timothy Egan JAN. 5, 2018
We know Attorney General Jeff Sessions is a small, backward-looking man with even smaller, more backward-looking ideas, but what was the thinking behind his new federal crackdown on legal marijuana? Punish the blue states? Create cannabis chaos in the large swath of the American West and the other states where voters have said they want the police to spend their time on real crime?

Or is it just another betrayal of the fools who voted for a man aptly described from inside the White House in Michael Wolff’s new book, as “less a person than a collection of terrible traits”? For one way to really tick off Trump’s base is to start arresting them...

And here’s where it gets particularly crazy. Big Pharma, the one drug dealer the Justice Department should be throwing all its resources at, has been trying to limit marijuana legalization efforts. It doesn’t want the competition from a natural palliative that is infinitely safer than the drugs sold from your neighborhood CVS, or alcohol for that matter. Among the efforts: Insys Therapeutics, a company whose former executives have been charged with conspiracy to bribe doctors to prescribe more of their product, gave $500,000 in 2016 to defeat Arizona pot legalization.
 
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