Gear D-nail thread

[Justpassedu]

Is the flowerpot worth it? I was looking at it but when i add it all together, im at like $200.

I would have to buy a 20mm coil as all my coils are flat coils. A mininail 20mm coil is $70 too.

It’s more than worth it , what a sick hard hitting vape. It’s like taking a dab of flower . You can even take both at the same time. I have mine setup with a dnail Sic halo . Taste is incredible to me.

 

[Shooby]

It’s more than worth it , what a sick hard hitting vape. It’s like taking a dab of flower . You can even take both at the same time. I have mine setup with a dnail Sic halo . Taste is incredible to me.

Whoa, what is needed for that set up?

I have the D-Nail sic halo,. What would I need from newvape? Coil cover, coil nut, 18mm male base and....

 

[PoopMachine]

Is the flowerpot worth it? I was looking at it but when i add it all together, im at like $200.

I would have to buy a 20mm coil as all my coils are flat coils. A mininail 20mm coil is $70 too.

Hell to the yea!!

I have the Dnail SIC version, I have the Showerhead which is due to arrive tomorrow and I have a Dnail wraparound solid nail.

The Flowerr Pot is next level shit for vaping flower.

 

[Justpassedu]

Whoa, what is needed for that set up?

I have the D-Nail sic halo,. What would I need from newvape? Coil cover, coil nut, 18mm male base and....

No joke man. You’d need the dnail halo wrap around head , bowl , a stand , coil cover is highly reccomended and that’s it , make sure you got a enail wich I am sure you do and a 20mm coil . This thing will blow you away . It’s my favorite flower vape and for concentrate also now.

 

[alittledabwilldoya']

No joke man. You’d need the dnail halo wrap around head , bowl , a stand , coil cover is highly reccomended and that’s it , make sure you got a enail wich I am sure you do and a 20mm coil . This thing will blow you away . It’s my favorite flower vape and for concentrate also now.

Whoa, like it better than the Liger for concentrates?

 

[Justpassedu]

Whoa, like it better than the Liger for concentrates?

Well I don’t own the liger but I have tried a friends and really liked it. Not enough to really make a good comparison. I’d maybe give the edge to the liger in concentrates only for the fact you got a large 30mm dab surface . I almost grabbed a 30mm setup but really can’t pull the trigger as I been so content with this flowepot. Every other vape I have hasn’t been touched in months. It really amazed with both flower and concentrate use and I love the taste the Sic halo provides at low temps over any Quartz or titanium I have used . Super low maintenance and being able to do both flower and concentrate if I ever really want to get ripped has been great .

 

[Shooby]

No joke man. You’d need the dnail halo wrap around head , bowl , a stand , coil cover is highly reccomended and that’s it , make sure you got a enail wich I am sure you do and a 20mm coil . This thing will blow you away . It’s my favorite flower vape and for concentrate also now.

So if I want to get this Flowerpot up and running, I need to buy from newvape the following:

20mm wrap around D-Nail post
A center post nut to screw the post into.
Coil cover
14/18mm body with handle

And I use my D-Nail sic halo and dnail V2 carb cap.

All tied to an enail controller and a 20mm coil.

Do I need to buy SS screens?

Also, does newvape ever have sales? Like for Xmas or black Friday?

 

[Likes2vape]

So if I want to get this Flowerpot up and running, I need to buy from newvape the following:

20mm wrap around D-Nail post
A center post nut to screw the post into.
Coil cover
14/18mm body with handle

And I use my D-Nail sic halo and dnail V2 carb cap.

All tied to an enail controller and a 20mm coil.

Do I need to buy SS screens?

Also, does newvape ever have sales? Like for Xmas or black Friday?

Yep you got it!! I do recommend the ss screens for sure way way better but yam the brass ones. I believe NewVape does have a discount code for 10% off. Twaxed I think is the code but it is in the thread if that’s not it.

 

[Justpassedu]

So if I want to get this Flowerpot up and running, I need to buy from newvape the following:

20mm wrap around D-Nail post
A center post nut to screw the post into.
Coil cover
14/18mm body with handle

And I use my D-Nail sic halo and dnail V2 carb cap.

All tied to an enail controller and a 20mm coil.

Do I need to buy SS screens?

Also, does newvape ever have sales? Like for Xmas or black Friday?

Try coupon code twaxvapor . You got everything you need listed besides a stand. It comes with brass screens I believe so if you want stainless add those also . Your dnail Carb cap and Sic halo will work perfect . Your gonna love this thing paired with the dnail Sic halo .

* confirmed coupon code will work .

 

[alittledabwilldoya']

Well I don’t own the liger but I have tried a friends and really liked it. Not enough to really make a good comparison. I’d maybe give the edge to the liger in concentrates only for the fact you got a large 30mm dab surface . I almost grabbed a 30mm setup but really can’t pull the trigger as I been so content with this flowepot. Every other vape I have hasn’t been touched in months. It really amazed with both flower and concentrate use and I love the taste the Sic halo provides at low temps over any Quartz or titanium I have used . Super low maintenance and being able to do both flower and concentrate if I ever really want to get ripped has been great .

Oops, I thought you had a Liger.
You already had a D-Nail SiC Halo, prior to the FP?
If so do you notice any difference between driving the Halo with a flat coil vs a 20mm?

Definitely no double deckers on a Halo w/o a FP.

 

[PoopMachine]

Oops, I thought you had a Liger.
You already had a D-Nail SiC Halo, prior to the FP?
If so do you notice any difference between driving the Halo with a flat coil vs a 20mm?

Definitely no double deckers on a Halo w/o a FP.

I had a 20mm Liger and a Halo at the same time. I prefer the Halo with the Newvape base.

 

[Shooby]

Try coupon code twaxvapor . You got everything you need listed besides a stand. It comes with brass screens I believe so if you want stainless add those also . Your dnail Carb cap and Sic halo will work perfect . Your gonna love this thing paired with the dnail Sic halo .

* confirmed coupon code will work .

Thank you! Just ordered the 20mm coil and OMW to newvape to order the flowerpot.

 

[StormyPinkness]

Edit: Sorry, never mind. I was replying from page 17 and just noticed how late to the party I was.

Is the flowerpot worth it? I was looking at it but when i add it all together, im at like $200.

I would have to buy a 20mm coil as all my coils are flat coils. A mininail 20mm coil is $70 too.

It's pretty amazing. Let me get my negative out of the way first.

I had to reshape my 20mm coil, not a big deal but I would of preferred not to. The only real negative with it for me was I could never get double deckers (flower & concentrate) going at a temperature I liked. To get my dish at a temp for concentrates I had to have it too high for flower and the abv always came out much darker than I'd like. I seem to be in the extreme minority though, I've only seen 1 other poster with my issue. He actually ended up using 2 coils at once, 1 flat coil for the concentrate/dish and 1 barrel coild for the flower/body.

Outside of double deckers (for me) it works great for flower and concentrates. It's especially great with flower, 1 or 2 hits will kill a decent sized bowl. Great flavor with huge clouds. Small and easy to clean also. The thread/community/company are all great and active here which is very cool to be a part of. Besides the double decker thing I'm really overwhelmingly positive about the rest of the vape/company.

For just concentrates I still prefer my d-nail slim base. If I had to do it over again I would of waited a month or so for all the new stuff to come out and gotten the showerhead instead for flower. I actually haven't used it since I got my glass symphony.

 

[GreenDragon]

Thank you ladies and gentlemen.

The information and advice on FC is the most useful and accurate of any forum I've found on the net.

Eight years ago I was interested in switching to vapor.
FC's experts led me to the Silver Surfer Vape.
The SSV has been great. Flexible usage, easy maintenance, hard hitting and bullet proof.

Fast forward to today. Concentrates are more prevalent and cheaper than flower in my area (legal state).

After weeks of reading FC's concentrate and enail threads, I purchased the following:
Auber RDK-300 with flat coil
SIC Halo on Dnail slim series base
Dnail gen2 carb cap
TAG 10" bent neck bubbler and 2" dropdown

580 degrees
PSL 1.13
SIC Halo - flat coil - Heater Retainer - heat sink - locking nut - 14M joint

Wow, so nice. Tasty, easy, fast, hard hitting, mild on throat/lungs and easy to maintain.

Thank you all so much for the amazing resource of FC.

 

[psychonaut]

That is a great setup! We seem to have the opposite problem, I can find 30 different strains of flower on any given day but concentrates are like 8-12 maybe. If youre a flavor chaser, try the temps around 525F and use a smaller dab.

 

[shredder]

Thank you ladies and gentlemen.

The information and advice on FC is the most useful and accurate of any forum I've found on the net.

Eight years ago I was interested in switching to vapor.
FC's experts led me to the Silver Surfer Vape.
The SSV has been great. Flexible usage, easy maintenance, hard hitting and bullet proof.

Fast forward to today. Concentrates are more prevalent and cheaper than flower in my area (legal state).

After weeks of reading FC's concentrate and enail threads, I purchased the following:
Auber RDK-300 with flat coil
SIC Halo on Dnail slim series base
Dnail gen2 carb cap
TAG 10" bent neck bubbler and 2" dropdown

580 degrees
PSL 1.13
SIC Halo - flat coil - Heater Retainer - heat sink - locking nut - 14M joint

Wow, so nice. Tasty, easy, fast, hard hitting, mild on throat/lungs and easy to maintain.

Thank you all so much for the amazing resource of FC.

You've done well Pilgrim!

Both are solid vapes. My dnail sic halo is my current fave. And my ssv is an old favorite. I bought mine for $12 at a rumage sale and had to buy a wand for it.

Since then I've bought 4 more new ssv's as gifts to get others into vaping.

 

[GreenDragon]

That is a great setup! We seem to have the opposite problem, I can find 30 different strains of flower on any given day but concentrates are like 8-12 maybe. If youre a flavor chaser, try the temps around 525F and use a smaller dab.

At 560F now. Yummy.
Will continue experimenting. Too faded... must proceed... mmm... uhhh... zzzzzzzzz.

You've done well Pilgrim!

Both are solid vapes. My dnail sic halo is my current fave. And my ssv is an old favorite. I bought mine for $12 at a rumage sale and had to buy a wand for it.

Since then I've bought 4 more new ssv's as gifts to get others into vaping.

I love that movie!
$12 - Wow.

 

[SamuraiSam]

So then what are your thoughts on the mass of the V2 cap setup and that when you add the mass of the intended cap, the nail drops to the point you're effecting you vapor negatively? It seems Dnail is agreeing with me that heated mass makes for, if not "better" vaporization, easier, more stable, more consistent draws. Again, I'm not saying the Halo needs the retainer on the coil, because they already use the massive cap.....if the cap was not intended to be a heated mass to help keep the heat stable, they would have made it with less metal....there is no other reason to make the cap with that much solid mass....none. I may not have the science on lock to a point i can get my point across but money is money and business is business and dnail is too smart to be that dumb.

I don't feel this is a matter of style or opinions, I'm pretty sure this is basic thermodynamics. since all I'm arguing is the mass of the Liger is anything but a failure of engineering as its the exact same principal as a cistern, a capacitor, a network buffer, etc etc, its not storing a temperature, its storing a volume of heat. I may not know how to correctly explain my thought but if adding an intermediate material alter the temperature in a negative way, i doubt they would have made clad pans and cooking surfaces as the high end solution. You say dabs are not like cooking but i challenge you to watch people working with sugars and caramels and tell me that isn't 99.9999999999999999999% exactly like the crap we go through working with and dabbing waxes and oils. Ive filled the buckets of both ligers to the brim, and caused quite a mess.....no delayed temp drop on the coil...whatsoever. If I'm following your thought correctly, and i may not be, you say the SIC should somehow suck the heat from the ti and will cool it down in some appreciable level, and that somehow makes the coil fire up after the fact to heat the ti, but that just is not what happens, i can record the Hex nails temp charts to prove it.


TLDR version

Both dnail and CCA know wtf they are doing, its the exact same song just done to different beats.

Apologies for the delayed reply, I have been massively busy and missed the notification.

My thoughts on the mass of the V2 carb cap from D-nail (and necessity to pre-heat it when dabbing at low temperatures to prevent it sucking heat out of the *particularly SiC* halo [it does not exhibit nearly the degree of heat sucking-ness when used with either quartz or sapphire Halo's] - SiC's amazing thermal conductivity meets it downfall here) is that the mass of that cap is an engineering oversight, and I wish daily for a borosilicate glass or quartz carb cap that would not be so subject to heat transfer from the SiC dish. I think D-nail just machined the cap to fit a variety of size of nails and its size is what it needs to be to meet the edge of the Halo and provide a great seal, without doing much to mitigate the heat transfer from the SiC dish. I should add, I've tried a friends D-nail 2.0, and it seems to experience a pretty similar drop upon capping with as my Auber PID box. Maybe not quite so bad but still significant.

When I use a glass dish to carb my Halo, I don't experience nearly the temperature drop upon capping.

I understand your belief (and agree with it) that Liger's design to use a large mass of a Ti heatsink is a valid way to stabilize heat. I do think you have failed to understand my point that while a heat sink is a great way to stabilize heat between a surface that you want heated to a precise temperature, and a small heater, it is the exact OPPOSITE thing you want to put between a surface you want heated to a precise temperature, and the temperature-measuring device that you are using to measure the temperature of that surface. Putting a heat sink subject to a temperature drop across its mass does no favors for the accuracy of the thermocouple attempting to measure the temperature of that heated surface. My point in describing what I consider more proper engineering of the D-nail halo is to explain that D-nail has placed the thermocouple, whose job it is to measure the temperature of the dabbing surface, in DIRECT contact with the piece that is that dabbing surface.. When the dabbing surface's material is made of a material which transfers heat fantastically, it is very easy for the thermocouple to send an accurate temperature to the PID controller, which can then regulate the power sent to the heater, which also happens to be in very close contact with the dabbing surface; there is a narrower margin of error in that closed loop system. You say it is like 'riding lightning' in my opinion it's simply exhibiting more change because it is more quickly registering the drop in temperature of a very conductive material (SiC, and to a slightly lesser extent Sapphire) compared to the Liger which can't measure those small changes (nor respond to them)

When you have a heater wrapped around a titanium heat sink and its job is to heat that heat sink, the thermocouple of the heating coil is only in contact with that heat sink, and its ability to measure temperature is dependent on the thermal transfer characteristics of the heat sink material. The fact is that titanium has an ability to transfer heat that is orders of magnitude worse than Silicon Carbide, so putting a silicon carbide dish inside of the titanium does NO favors for increasing accuracy of temperature measurement. I have used heaters run off PID controllers for a variety of tasks and can say unequivocally that getting proper temperature measurement of the 'control surface' is of paramount importance to narrowing the oscillation of surface temperatures. Putting heat sinks between your instrumentation and control surface just does not make sense to me.

If you want to make some useful charts with your Hex nail, you will have to keep in mind the difference between temperature your thermocouple measures, and temperature at the control surface. As I have done my best to explain, the temperature your Hex nail is reporting is based on the thermocouple embedded in the coil, which is "behind" the actual temperature of the insert inside your Liger. To gather useful data to validate or disprove your theory will require some basic datalogging capability with an independent K type thermocouple placed on the control surface so you can plot the ΔT between the coil's thermocouple (and what the Hex nail sees) compared to the control surface (the top of your insert where you apply your dab) over the course of a dab. Figure out how to do THAT while capping the Liger, and you're 90% of the way to solving the entire problem I've been discussing.

FWIW, it's a step similar to guys building rosin presses with E nail coils, very quickly realizing the thermocouples used in the coils weren't coming close to providing accuracy when it comes to temperature at the control surface, and changing designs so that separate heaters and temperature sensors could be used- temperature sensors embedded in the 'control surface' to accurately measure its temperature.

You are most welcome to your own opinion, but that's mine! I do apologize for the edits again, as I misspelled a ton of words, and probably didn't catch them all. I'll surely appreciate reading your response, but I'm out of time for any more myself with work and life these days. Happy dabbing on both your setups; I sure hope I have the chance to try a newer-generation, larger diameter Liger and re-asses my thoughts on the continually newest-revisions CCA always seems to be putting out. Happy dabbin'!

 

[Baron23]

Putting a heat sink subject to a temperature drop across its mass does no favors for the accuracy of the thermocouple attempting to measure the temperature of that heated surface.

Under any and all circumstances, the only thing a coil TC will tell you is the coil temp.

While a larger Ti heat sink will take more time to stabilize and stabilize the insert dab surface to boot, the only way to get a dab surface reading is with an external K-Type thermometer.

While one can use a K-type thermo to determine delta temps between TC and dab surface, and use that as a rough offset if your controller supports that, to me its really just a matter of finding the displayed temp on your controller that yeilds the desire result on the dab surface.

By the by, when I pre-heat my D-nail cap on the SiC Halo, I only get about a 10 degree drop before it begins to recover. Once I see the temps starting back up, I'll go for a dab.

Cheers

 

[ensabbahnur]

........to me its really just a matter of finding the displayed temp on your controller that yeilds the desire result on the dab surface.

Literally the distillation of what I've been trying to say the whole time. Stability of temp will trump whatever temp you THINK you're running at it.....because ULTIMATELY it doesn't matter after you factor coil life and tc accuracy variables, coil pressure on the nail body, room temp AND airflow....

but anyways...back to d-nail centric convo


this is a pretty cool use of a Peltier device

http://www.d-nail.com/polar-shift

 

[mixchu69]

D-nail 30% off entire site using "gobble"

 

[nosmoking]

D-nail 30% off entire site using "gobble"

I should have posted this as well. I have been on vacation but that didnt stop me from logging in to purchase a D-nail polar shift box at 30% off.

 

[alittledabwilldoya']

D-nail 30% off entire site using "gobble"

I should have posted this as well. I have been on vacation but that didnt stop me from logging in to purchase a D-nail polar shift box at 30% off.

Thank you gentlemen.
I picked up a polar shift box as well; thought that I had most everything dab related that I needed.
Good to see that's not the case.

 

[detroit_fan]

I jumped on the 30% off and my SIC halo and auber rdk-200 will be here friday. I have an infrared thermometer gun, what temp should I get the SIC dish to for starting out? Thanks guys

 

[Likes2vape]

I jumped on the 30% off and my SIC halo and auber rdk-200 will be here friday. I have an infrared thermometer gun, what temp should I try to get the SIC dish to? Thanks guys

The ir gun will be of no real use. If you want to know dish temp you will need a thermocouple device to get accurate reading. I suggest setting your controller to 650 and go up or down from there depending on your preference.