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Discontinued The Grasshopper

kbrown5523

Hopping in Washington
Hey party people

My hopper is probably 5 months old and is used regularly. Less so recently. worked great last night but went to use it this afternoon and she wasnt operating. I click the top and the lights blink red very quickly then the light turns blue and stays blue, but does not seem to really heat at all and does not produce a hit. Vape is still clicking throughout all this.

I reckon it will have to be sent in, but I thought maybe you fine people have encountered this and its something I can tinker with or order a part.


Thanks in advance homies

:rockon:
For me, twisting the temp from one to five to one a whole bunch of times can often get it working again. I've also had luck with the iso soak up to the lights, but I sure was nervous before I did that one the first time. I've had it bring back a dead hopper though. I've also cleaned the threads on the back end and had that help. As well as using a really lightly soaked iso swab inside where the battery touches inside the unit to get that connection clean.

Both my hoppers are in for service so I feel your pain of not having a working Hopper.
 

MoltenTiger

Well-Known Member
Hey party people

My hopper is probably 5 months old and is used regularly. Less so recently. worked great last night but went to use it this afternoon and she wasnt operating. I click the top and the lights blink red very quickly then the light turns blue and stays blue, but does not seem to really heat at all and does not produce a hit. Vape is still clicking throughout all this.

I reckon it will have to be sent in, but I thought maybe you fine people have encountered this and its something I can tinker with or order a part.


Thanks in advance homies

:rockon:
That error indicates the sensor is gunked up, and it should be able to be fixed by the user.

Try removing the screen from the herb chamber.
It's easy to remove and replace, you'll want a metal pick of some kind to do it - just pry it up and pull it out. It just squashes back into place, friction fit so no tabs or anything to worry about.

Then use a q-tip/pipe cleaner and 90+% isopropyl to clean the surface below the screen.
Allow 24 hours to dry and see if it's working.

If it's not yet working, you could try using a can of compressed air to blow any residue out of the heater or soaking the device in alcohol.
If all else fails, then send it in for warranty.
 

MoltenTiger

Well-Known Member
@MoltenTiger does the DIY screen replacing in the chamber void warranty? I know it sounds easy to do, but in reality won't be for many people, myself included. Maybe HL should include that metal pick for BOTH the chamber screen AND the mouthpiece front end screen to eliminate some RMA's!
nah there's no way they could know.

It literally just sits in there, there are some small tabs, but they are not needed to be in any specific position (other than facing down).
The material is sturdy and durable.

I used a medical pick, but you could probably use a thin paperclip, a sewing needle, fine tweezers, perhaps even a simple toothpick. Anything that fits into the holes bored in the screen, just pry it out.

I was surprised how easy it was to do, it sounds daunting but it's easier than taking off and replacing the back end.
It's actually the best quality screen I've ever seen, it's nice to have a proper look at it. On par with DynaVaps perhaps, but beyond anything else.
I wish EQ baskets were made similar, it would save them needing to be replaced.

edit: was also going to say: still haven't used the ordinary front end after getting the PFE. It makes it easy to adapt to glass for cool drags (dry or bubbler) with a pristine vapour path, and as the screen in it is also just friction fit, it's super easy to clean and can be used for a decent while without cleaning.
The default mouthpiece feels better on the lips, but it's a pain to clean and the vapour is too hot in that short a pathway.
 
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biohacker

Well-Known Member
Thanks man! So those little tabs don't bend/break off that screen then? I was just thinking if you did mangle it up or muck something that they would potentially give a hard time about the warranty. However HL has been changing their rules, now also selling individual back ends ($70?) or at least I read about it, as well as shipping out parts before defective parts land in homebase. This are very positive changes IMO, and mitigate customer stress. For these reasons i'll be joining you again very soon, just need to find a trade or waiting for their next sale. Goal is 2 SS, 1 PFE, several batts, and trying to find a better solution than their silicone piece, because it being out of stock is pretty bad since i've heard the PFE gets too hot for dry use?
 

MoltenTiger

Well-Known Member
PFE gets too hot for dry use?
My opinion is that it does, but that it doesn't do it so fast as to always be a problem.
For eg. On a bushwalk, I can whip it out and take a big toke and it's a nice experience with the PFE alone.

However, in a session or similar, (especially the SS front end as it takes much longer to cool than Ti [still cools down quite quickly] but) they get hot.
Not enough to burn, but enough to sting fingers well beyond normal comfort levels.
Sneaky pete gives good advice, says to blow through the PFE after every chamber.

Generally I'd have to wait for the PFE to cool down to do that (and I do that nearly always as it is good advice) and occasionally I've tried and felt like an idiot because it fucking hurts putting hot metal on your lips!!
It's nearly impossible to heat it up like that when it's in your mouth, but frog in hot water....
It's far from ideal but it works, as it's most micro option I like that it is a thing.
With the GH the surface heat is not really dangerous more than it is a nuisance I guess, but it's only a concern if you're using the device in a particular way.

My biggest concern is the fact that the air and vapour coming out of the GH is hot and harsh.
Like it basically burns my airways with the size hits I take. I don't really use the GH direct ever unless I'm bushwalking, and then the outside air is usually cold and the device is from a cold start. That makes enough of a difference for maybe a few hits.

Right now I'm at my desk with this Infront of me, and it is amazingly smooth and potent.

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14f-14f glass with a 14m-10m adapter.

My hopper isn't performing as good as I've had hoppers perform, but it is still doing a better job than my VapCap, which is a fine vape!

The GH set up right is where it's at though, for sure. It's just dead simple, amazingly tasty and quite potent with even ABV and no stirring. The big downside beyond heat is still that it occasionally needs servicing.

It's gotten much better, recent posts shows the older blue heater bit with older circle style sensor. The new one really looks quality by comparison, and so far they seem to be doing as good as ever.

I would say that much is the same as ever though!

With the screen, it's pretty tough. Don't drop it and step on it (but it'd honestly probably survive that. Don't hit with a hammer). You know, be reasonably careful and nothing could really go wrong. It should survive all the necessary forces easily and then some, but it obviously has limits.

I'd expect it wouldn't be a problem getting once replaced anyway.

There was a decent deal for a SS GH on classifieds, I'll check it.

I'd recommend a PFE to adapter situation. I have used/demoed a 14mm glass dome which two people have opted for after trying. It's not perfect but a step closer.
I think a 14mm downstem with single bore perc would be awesome
 

Hjalmark

Oldest boy alive
That's it, I was planning on the glass herbalizer balloon attachment thingy. @JCat have you enjoyed using yours that you picked up from PV?
This one you're talking about?
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Always on the look out for a mouthpiece on the PFE

Anyone have the firewood4 and tried out the cooling unit from the on the hopper?

I know I seen photos but how effective is it?

Might splurge on that because I anyway want the F4 and least it's a start
 

MoltenTiger

Well-Known Member
Opinion wished for. Two grasshoppers. Newer one works well. Older one works but struggles to get even close to as hot as the newer one. It works at 5 pretty good. Should I return it cause it might be working within spec. I would like it too work as well as the newer one.
I'm basically in the same boat. My one working unit is unable to get high temp ABV (which is probably 'normal' but I've had hoppers get sublimated level ABV and that's the most ideal for me.)

I'm tempted to send it back, but I probably won't and will just send my other one back, and specify that I want it tuned to high temps.
I'll let you know what they say.

They've said before they have the scope to offer custom temps with their set up.
I hope they can get there.

As it is, or hopefully was - the service department is flat out and quite a few duds have leaked through. They've tightened operations apparently and have been basically pretty quiet lately on all their social media.
I guess working on new accessories, which is a shameless cash grab.

They ought to come up with a vapour heat sink and oils front end as an actual enticement for new buyers.

on that note @biohacker I reckon the herbalizer bag adapter would work fairly well, similar to a glass dome but with a nicer 'mouthpiece'.
However, because it's just a straight and wide path and relatively short, I think you'll find it will not cool it down to the most ideal level.
I've used a 14f drop down, similar to my above set up, and it functions really well as a heat sink.
That above set up works really well, but it still gets a bit warm.
A length of silicone tubing with a 14f adapter would be pretty awesome, like a portable hookah, for the most ideally smooth dry hits.

I plugged mine into the Sublimator tower, and that works pretty awesomely to get big smooth clouds dry. Even smoother than normal in that the GH forms more of a haze, as opposed to the rolling plumes from the sub.
 

MonkeyTime

Well-Known Member
Sooo, here we go again. My new SS which I have loved, is acting up. I'm finally over my T-break/getting ready for a new job, and I finally can get back on my horse.

I come home, fire up the GH and enjoy. Go the the kitchen to make a soda and come back to find the GH on? Huh? Ok, turn it off, and it turns right back on. It acted up for about a minute while I played with it until I pulled the battery.

They don't describe this one on their website faq's, but I remember reading about something similar with another member. Unfortunately I can't remember how they described it for a good search and generic words like "on" or "staying on" come up with nothing close for search results.

Is that person still around? Just wondering what ever happened after that?

Thanks all, until then, I have a new TuboX to play with!

Soooo, a little update on this saga.

My Ti hasn't been heating very well, usable, but only with certain batteries and only if I'm in a patient mood. The SS that I was talking about above sat for a few days, got a basic cleaning and has worked since, but again, inconsistently.

Tonight I decided to pull the screen, was pretty easy. Problem is, I didn't take out my contacts until after I had pulled it, and I'm not sure which direction the screen goes back in :rofl: Damn these old eyes, but I'm so near sighted I can't function without glasses or contacts, with them I can't see near.

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I'm pretty sure it's feet down, opposite of how it's pictured above, but I figured I'd check in before I cause myself extra work. Really did come out easy, just fished around blindly by feel with a dental pick and it pulled up after a try or two.


Hey bio, I've tried something very similar to those balloon tips, and they help, but not as much as I'd like. I've still been using my 14mm female DDave cooler. I'm not wild about carrying glass, but it fits in my @Ratchett leather sleeve pretty nicely, so not terrible. I'm also trying out a 3D printed water piece, but it's for the OG tip and I'm not digging the draw restriction back. I do love that loader also 3D printed, works great.

**Edit - @biohacker , I have used a 90 degree balloon -14mm female joint, basically what you show but a little longer, slimmer nozzle, it worked much better, but I wasn't wild about the 90 fitting, preferred the inline. Anything with much at all to break up the airflow will probably be enough.
 

MoltenTiger

Well-Known Member
Soooo, a little update on this saga.

My Ti hasn't been heating very well, usable, but only with certain batteries and only if I'm in a patient mood. The SS that I was talking about above sat for a few days, got a basic cleaning and has worked since, but again, inconsistently.

Tonight I decided to pull the screen, was pretty easy. Problem is, I didn't take out my contacts until after I had pulled it, and I'm not sure which direction the screen goes back in :rofl: Damn these old eyes, but I'm so near sighted I can't function without glasses or contacts, with them I can't see near.

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I'm pretty sure it's feet down, opposite of how it's pictured above, but I figured I'd check in before I cause myself extra work. Really did come out easy, just fished around blindly by feel with a dental pick and it pulled up after a try or two.



Hey bio, I've tried something very similar to those balloon tips, and they help, but not as much as I'd like. I've still been using my 14mm female DDave cooler. I'm not wild about carrying glass, but it fits in my @Ratchett leather sleeve pretty nicely, so not terrible. I'm also trying out a 3D printed water piece, but it's for the OG tip and I'm not digging the draw restriction back. I do love that loader also 3D printed, works great.

**Edit - @biohacker , I have used a 90 degree balloon -14mm female joint, basically what you show but a little longer, slimmer nozzle, it worked much better, but I wasn't wild about the 90 fitting, preferred the inline. Anything with much at all to break up the airflow will probably be enough.
Great pics,
funnily enough I mentioned this before.
hidden amongst the spiels
there are some small tabs, but they are not needed to be in any specific position (other than facing down).
So now there's some illustration, I can explain that those little tabs stop the screen from making contact with the heater shield.
Normally the tabs sit directly on top of the white (previously blue) heater shield.
The separation prevents some conduction, it's actually possible to have the screen positioned halfway in the chamber for smaller bowls


..
also, I agree with your sentiments re: glass coolage
Having the vapour path twist and deflect off surfaces is ideal for cooling the vapour down to the level of 'cool'.
I think a 14mm J-Hook could be the ultimate option...
 

MonkeyTime

Well-Known Member
Great pics,
funnily enough I mentioned this before.
hidden amongst the spiels

So now there's some illustration, I can explain that those little tabs stop the screen from making contact with the heater shield.
Normally the tabs sit directly on top of the white (previously blue) heater shield.
The separation prevents some conduction, it's actually possible to have the screen positioned halfway in the chamber for smaller bowls

Thank you kind sir, twice. Now that you pointed it out, I see you did answer my question before asked. I'm going to blame a new found love for my HBMaxx dry for this if you don't mind.
 

JCat

Well-Known Member
Accessory Maker
That's it, I was planning on the glass herbalizer balloon attachment thingy. @JCat have you enjoyed using yours that you picked up from PV?
When out and about, and can't use water, it's what I use. I have the leather case from @Ratchett, and this piece fits in the doob tube storage pocket. It works great really for monster hits! Can finish a full chamber in 2 hits with it!

Edit: I don't find the GH vapour to be too hot though ... I just find the mouthpiece to get way too hot so this solves that problem.
 
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MoltenTiger

Well-Known Member
Thank you kind sir, twice. Now that you pointed it out, I see you did answer my question before asked. I'm going to blame a new found love for my HBMaxx dry for this if you don't mind.
to be quite honest, if I could have been bothered with the walk to the pantry to get the medical pick I have in mind to most easily remove my screen, I would have provided the pics myself before, making the answer to your query actually find-able.
So it was greatly convenient to see the images arrive after my lazy self and the forums editing time-out decided it too late to provide.

Your pics also show some of the under the hood differences from the older model shown on the last page by @Hoey420
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These older blue heater shields, with a different (though similar) sensor.

The newer ones, as in the pics in the post above have a ceramic white heater shield and much neater soldered joins. The sensor is a blue colour on the newer units.

This really is kind of meaningless, beyond indicating changes and seemingly overall genuine improvement.

The brand new unit my friend got recently has been performing well, he says it heats up in "like 3 seconds" that it's "sensational :luv:" and "much more convenient than the EQ". He's finally quit combustion and it's really cool enlightening him on the ways to do so without missing out at all.

Portable bong hits are a nicety that should be available without concern, and now that is a reality.

I feel the hopper is a perfect unit that offers this and more, despite it's shortfalls it's quite versatile.
The 'new unit' stories are from a brand new unit, and so the tune will change.

I lent him my dead one whilst he was waiting for the 3 weeks from purchase to get it in Aus.

That one was taking seriously a minute to turn blue, and it was a real piece of shit to get quality ABV out of. It took some technique (slow even tokes) and some time and effort.
He still enjoyed that one, but is blown away with the proper thing, and at least has some experience for when things go to shit. And a back up vape, which I don't think will ever not be needed.

But the quality has gotten better and when they're working nothing else is needed to be at a proper level.
People so often complain that vapes don't get them high but the GH rips people to shreds and their eyes don't lie.
I still think this is on another level compared to what's on the portable vaporizer market. It's the only product that's wholly designed, and it's pretty fucking impressive.

The heater doesn't heat beyond the set temp.
It's made using state of the art fabrication allowing previously unobtainable geometries generating 36mm of heating pathways into 4mm of space with it’s spiral shell design.
The energy is efficiently contained, and although it gets uncomfortably hot it conceals insane heat density and won't burn you.
It attaches to glassware directly.
It's so small.
The hits are huge.
It's extremely stealthy and can be used in public, smell and conditions permitting.
It's relatively one of the healthiest, safest vaporizers.
It has a modest price.

The only downside is that when it's not working perfectly, it's really disappointing.
When it's not working at all, it's generally infuriating.

But, because it's so small it's cheap to post, and services are free.
Going from a vape that takes a minute to heat up, to the 3 second serviced version is surreal every time.
This vape has a dreamy feature set, something that was assumed impossible.
Now it's realised with some stumbles and shortfalls, I really think it's an insanely great product that is more worthy of market share.

I feel like the new vape offerings beyond RBT and small business are lacking much needed innovation, and deserve to be overlooked or criticised (properly) and scrupulously in the name of improving off-gas selection, a la vaporisation.

But really, I know I'll be happy to continue using my hoppers for the years to come before there's anything that properly even competes with what they offer.

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/the-grasshopper.18482/page-239#post-913377
That post signifies their proper capability, I am glad not to be missing out on it.
Although I am missing out on getting ABV that dark from the hopper currently :doh:
It's a bit superficial, as I'm still getting even ABV and great results.
Just more hits per chamber, less chambers per battery, and dark tan colour. Dark brown ABV I prefer, and know I'll eventually be getting it with a hopper (my one that is dead now, not sure exactly it's still AWOL, was performing best and when I got it after its last service, I'll be using it over the one I have now..)

It's not needed to have two, and now the RRP is so high, it's not worth it.
But it's a good time. It's for sure worth it to get at least 1 though.
If you enjoy cannabis, it's hard not to enjoy a hopper.
 

snaffle

Well-Known Member
Goal is 2 SS, 1 PFE, several batts, and trying to find a better solution than their silicone piece, because it being out of stock is pretty bad since i've heard the PFE gets too hot for dry use?

It depends on what you sort of dry use you want. I use it dry, and it's fine, but you can't do back-to-back hits, you need to wait maybe 30 seconds for it to cool properly (this is with Ti, too, so SS probably would be longer). To be honest I never really minded the draw restriction of the original mouthpiece, so if I wanted to use it dry a lot I'd probably just stick to that. But if you want freer flowing vapor, and to hit and hit and hit until done, then yes, you'll need some cooler.
 

biohacker

Well-Known Member
That post signifies their proper capability, I am glad not to be missing out on it.

That final ABV looked way too dark for my liking, and certainly at a top temperature of 210c looks hotter IMO. I long for the days of my OG GH's, that worked like a dream until they didn't. What I actually liked was the slight restriction from too much resin build up! lol It actually was like an airflow "regulator" like my sv3... you can't get around it, but instead join it and don't try to over power it. ABV was always an awesome medium brown, but never that overly dark which makes the vapour taste bad. Once RMA's were completed, they must have cleaned out the resin because you may remember I was raving about the open airflow. However, because of this I really had to focus on slowing my draw, and it would create that ultra dark brown gross tasting ABV on temp 5.

I'm really getting confused with what HL has been offering regarding custom temp profiles (hot hoppers cooler running hoppers), algorythms changing....top temps changing slightly... they've been quiet now for a while.... with the exception of advertising.

It depends on what you sort of dry use you want. I use it dry, and it's fine, but you can't do back-to-back hits, you need to wait maybe 30 seconds for it to cool properly (this is with Ti, too, so SS probably would be longer). To be honest I never really minded the draw restriction of the original mouthpiece, so if I wanted to use it dry a lot I'd probably just stick to that. But if you want freer flowing vapor, and to hit and hit and hit until done, then yes, you'll need some cooler.

That was my issue in the past....I have huge lungs and take massive back to back hits, and have burned my lips bad twice. For out and about dry, yes I NEED that PFE because stock FE is way too restrictive for my tastes, and feels like it's too damn hard to get a proper massive hit. Thanks for your feedback man!
 

sk8man121

Frozen_Vaporent
Alright guys. Can we talk about off-flavors here seriously for a minute?

TL;DR, I've essentially gone through 10 RMAs that have resulted in at least 4-5 different SS hoppers coming through my hands. The one I currently have rolling seems to be operating properly, which is a miracle in itself.

That said, every one of them has been characterized by a taste I can only describe as astringent, bitter and metallic—something that none of my other (pretty big collection of) vapes has ever produced. I've tried soaking the mouthpieces in alcohol, soaking up to the holes, switching to the PFE, experimenting with different temps etc., and there is just seemingly no way to get this top-note of poison out of my hits.

Does the TI model not have this taste? Have people been able to mitigate it in SS hoppers? At base value, it ruins the experience (the herb I get is of utmost quality and terpiness), but taking things further, it heightens my anxiety about potential health risks that might be associated with whatever is causing this taste to occur.

Anyway, I feel like this has been pushed under the rug a bit. My Vapcaps (fully metal) taste like the nectar of the gods in comparison, and quite frankly, that's fucked up.
 

Mr. Me2

Well-Known Member
Alright guys. Can we talk about off-flavors here seriously for a minute?

TL;DR, I've essentially gone through 10 RMAs that have resulted in at least 4-5 different SS hoppers coming through my hands. The one I currently have rolling seems to be operating properly, which is a miracle in itself.

That said, every one of them has been characterized by a taste I can only describe as astringent, bitter and metallic—something that none of my other (pretty big collection of) vapes has ever produced. I've tried soaking the mouthpieces in alcohol, soaking up to the holes, switching to the PFE, experimenting with different temps etc., and there is just seemingly no way to get this top-note of poison out of my hits.

Does the TI model not have this taste? Have people been able to mitigate it in SS hoppers? At base value, it ruins the experience (the herb I get is of utmost quality and terpiness), but taking things further, it heightens my anxiety about potential health risks that might be associated with whatever is causing this taste to occur.

Anyway, I feel like this has been pushed under the rug a bit. My Vapcaps (fully metal) taste like the nectar of the gods in comparison, and quite frankly, that's fucked up.
Thanks for sharing your experience(s) with us, @sk8man121 !

With so many RMAs, you are a unique source for this type of info.

I admit that I have a poor sense of smell which also affects my taste sensitivity. Having said that, I don't share your experience with the ss. I've tried a ti and another ss and don't recall that either.

I'm curious to read others opinions to see how things stack up.

You may want to start a separate thread in Ask FC to expand on this and for a vape comparison. I'd love to hear about your other vapes experience, but this thread just isn't the place...

And btw, I'm sorry your gh's have treated you so poorly!
 

snaffle

Well-Known Member
I'm really getting confused with what HL has been offering regarding custom temp profiles (hot hoppers cooler running hoppers), algorythms changing....top temps changing slightly... they've been quiet now for a while.... with the exception of advertising.

AFAIK they have never offered custom temperature tuning, just mentioned it in a reddit AMA as something they could do, in the future, maybe. They have tuned their temperatures to be more consistent and hard-hitting, apparently, which I suspect is one of the reasons more RMAs seem to be coming back good. But I don't think they officially offer a "we'll tune this however you like" service, and given that it sounds like the oven is quite complex to drive I don't expect they'd ever offer much beyond "this will take you to the brink of combustion" or "this will max out somewhat before that".

That was my issue in the past....I have huge lungs and take massive back to back hits, and have burned my lips bad twice. For out and about dry, yes I NEED that PFE because stock FE is way too restrictive for my tastes, and feels like it's too damn hard to get a proper massive hit. Thanks for your feedback man!

Ah, OK, yeah, definitely go for extra cooling then. I just watched your recently posted GH milk video from the milk thread, and yes, no doubt you have plenty of lung capacity to burn your lips off with the PFE in no time if you put your mind to it ;)

@sk8man121 the Grasshopper was my first decent vape, so I didn't realize until I got an Omnivap, but I agree the flavor could be better. I have a Ti hopper. I'm not sure the flavor I get off it tastes metallic, more that I don't get as much taste compared to the Omnivap. I'm not really sure why that is, maybe it's because of the hotter vapor making it harder for me to taste? Have you tried comparing the taste with and without the silicone mouthpiece? I wonder whether the metallic taste you're getting is more caused by your lips tasting the metal, rather than some metal fumes somehow getting into the vapor path. Because that doesn't sound likely to me. My guess is that it's the temperature of the vapor that causes this effect. I'm interested to hear others' opinions.
 
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biohacker

Well-Known Member
Anyway, I feel like this has been pushed under the rug a bit. My Vapcaps (fully metal) taste like the nectar of the gods in comparison, and quite frankly, that's fucked up.

You're not the first person to bring up the "metallic taste" and if anyone is sensitive it's me. Yet, for some weird reason I have never tasted it myself in my experiences with hoppers in the double digits. Wonder if it's a QC thing?

AFAIK they have never offered custom temperature tuning, just mentioned it in a reddit AMA as something they could do, in the future, maybe. They have tuned their temperatures to be more consistent and hard-hitting, apparently, which I suspect is one of the reasons more RMAs seem to be coming back good. But I don't think they officially offer a "we'll tune this however you like" service, and given that it sounds like the oven is quite complex to drive I don't expect they'd ever offer much beyond "this will take you to the brink of combustion" or "this will max out somewhat before that".

They did say they changed things and the temps did not align with what they were advertising, and that the temps were all "slightly higher" or something. I was dead sure that they would dial it in to your preferences, but who knows it sounded like they were just struggling to get air at the time, and now their presence vanished from that other place. Must be busy where it counts! Horror stories have quelled significantly from what I have seen.

Ah, OK, yeah, definitely go for extra cooling then. I just watched your recently posted GH milk video from the milk thread, and yes, no doubt you have plenty of lung capacity to burn your lips off with the PFE in no time if you put your mind to it ;)

Thanks man, appreciate you being able to connect the dots and not just cry you're doing it wrong it's fine you can't burn your lips like so many others!

I now have the claisen(s) but not the 4 hoppers needed! :rofl:
 
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