CCA Liger banger V3.0

[nickmo]

This also piqued my interest, I ended up reading the D-Nail "Stabilized UpTemp Procedure" with no dropping of inserts (http://www.d-nail.com/info/blog/stabilized-uptemp-procedure-writeup-available/), and I attempted something similar with my 16mm Liger w/ SiC insert. It sounds like their controller has an on/off switch for the unit and the heater, mine only has on/off so I had to time the temp change since I couldn't watch with the display on but heater off. I am normally in the 560-600 range when operating normally, they recommended going up to 850 but I used 800.

• Let my controller go up to 800
• Drop the temperature to 400 and time the temperature change
• Bring the temperature back to 800, turn unit off
• Set timer for the time change found above
• When timer goes off turn controller back on and apply dab at 400 while the temp climbs to 800, cap with Storm Cell 3.1

I did enjoy the taste and my last pull was a huge cloud, it still seems too tedious for every dab, even if I now know the time it takes for the temp to change. The SiC heated up rather quickly too, I think I am going to try Quartz again this weekend (not going to be home much though; probably have to re-time the temp change).

 

[Puddy]

ha that was way more work than I tried. I just set the controller to 710 (so heady!) and dropped cold insert in and capped it with the 3.1 storm cell, then look the longest, slowest draw I could.

 

[Danksta]

ha that was way more work than I tried. I just set the controller to 710 (so heady!) and dropped cold insert in and capped it with the 3.1 storm cell, then look the longest, slowest draw I could.

I think we might need to be using higher temps. I'm going to play around with 800-1000 for my tests.

 

[ccchase420]

If it catches on and becomes popular, I can almost guarantee you'll be shooting videos doing it and claiming it's the shit. It's just another step in progression. Try it for yourself instead of waiting and following the flock of sheep that finally catch on. It's just a small addition to an already tedious dab ritual. It really isn't a challenge unless you make it out to be one. Maybe keep butterfingers away?

dudes posted after my post saying it's a pain in the ass they couldn't see themselves doing regularly. are you the owner of some prototype hot swappable liger? doubtful.

Vaping skin fat? Bahahaha. You just keep getting better. Skin fat?

yes, any time i handle the insert with my bare hands there is a grace period before i am able to dab out of it because it burns off a layer of skin fat that smells distinctly of burnt hair. not some shit i'm trying to dab. if your hands are extremely dry and callused like a mechanic or something maybe this isn't a problem but i have clammy geek hands and have to clean my keyboard and mouse every few months. and you're right i just do keep getting better, don't forget to like comment and subscribe!

..dudes linking heat resistant gloves like holy shit we're trying to have a peaceful, simple session with this equipment, not handle radioactive waste. so when your buddy rolls over you're gonna have a pair of heat resistant gloves for him? if it's a girl that is complete game over. "nono put on the gloves it's chill i promise" = "yeah my friends dog is in the hospital i need to be with her g2g"

i'm not arguing the efficacy of the method (beyond the flavor it would make for an amazing meltshot no doubt!). i'm arguing the practicality of it with the current setup in a market where i'm desperately trying to convince people this is a viable solution vs. the simplicity and the portable nature of a torch and banger. i'm sitting right here in front of my liger ready to test this out but i'm weighing the work of putting on gloves and finding new ideal temps vs. just dropping a dab onto the insert as is, q tipping it and continuing on with the days tasks. maybe if i get bored. but i'd so much rather see this reasonably built into liger functionality and not an inconvenient hack.

 

[Puddy]

pfft do you even dab bro?

 

[herbivore21]

lots of discussion on dnail tech going on. i believe that thread is located elsewhere.

Every one of my posts containing references to d-nail hardware has also been relevant to the liger in some way bro. I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who has mentioned d-nail here. I agree it would be better to have a general drop uptemp thread rather than post all such posts here - but by the same token, drop uptemp torching is no less relevant to the liger than all of the posts about 3rd party carb caps in this thread

say what you will, i wouldn't trust (nor want) anyone but myself dumping a hot insert out of the liger in a sesh..

100% this is gospel truth! While I'm enjoying this, ain't no way I'm letting a buddy dump a hot insert out of my nail! I would especially never let someone do this with a liger sapphire insert - so much $$$!

also, you couldn't touch the cool loaded insert with your hands otherwise you're vaping skin fat. so i have to sesh with gloves on? or delicately tweeze the insert into the liger? adding more points to the pain in the ass factor.

I've not had any such issues with flavor myself from hands. You know I'm a flavor snob! I do keep my hands immaculately clean when doing anything to with with medicating though, since I don't wanna contaminate my meds!

yes, any time i handle the insert with my bare hands there is a grace period before i am able to dab out of it because it burns off a layer of skin fat that smells distinctly of burnt hair.

This is true, and I've noticed this too at times.

It has not been an issue I've experienced from handling my sapphire insert doing drop uptemp dabs. However this has happened to me so many times when I've been assembling my liger banger and twisting/tightening things with my hands. One can work up a sweat very easily when tightening the heater retainer (which is a fucking PITA to assemble, I hate how I need tools to assemble my ligers) and there is definitely a bit of time I need to leave my liger after turning it on before I dab on it due to the same skin contact contamination which gives off the smell that Chase described.

 

[zenmasterofzinfandel]

dudes posted after my post saying it's a pain in the ass they couldn't see themselves doing regularly. are you the owner of some prototype hot swappable liger? doubtful.
. and you're right i just do keep getting better, don't forget to like comment and subscribe!

..dudes linking heat resistant gloves like holy shit we're trying to have a peaceful, simple session with this equipment, not handle radioactive waste. so when your buddy rolls over you're gonna have a pair of heat resistant gloves for him? if it's a girl that is complete game over. "nono put on the gloves it's chill i promise" = "yeah my friends dog is in the hospital i need to be with her g2g"
. but i'd so much rather see this reasonably built into liger functionality and not an inconvenient hack.

exactly, agree 100%, there is too much betaware being passed off as usable. GH is betaware, Crafty is betaware...until they change it enough to be a full commercial release <Netscape used to be full on betaware, their 'betaware' was more like 'alpha' <@TFC I know the distinction between the rules and my snarky 'abuse' of the term. Not sure bout the women down there in SD, but in lala land...they'd not get that far...more like "outta-here, l8tr dood"...me thinks those guys are dreaming...having those canna-fantasies like from this dispensary...cause it's Friday and there is ash floating down, cause there is 'fire' lol, for real, in the hills above east SF Valley & it's very hot in here (110ºF+), neckNneck with PS & DeathValley until 3pm when those passed us up, lol>>>

an already tedious dab ritual. It really isn't a challenge unless you make it out to be one. Maybe keep @butterfingers away?

Vaping skin fat? Bahahaha. You just keep getting better. Skin fat? Its clear you've never tried it, you're just nitpicking and playing devils advocate...

Did someone call me ;p, my old canna forum sockpuppet troll handle for hash forums on OG/CW/PG>MPG

Seems a troll has been #pwn'd ...channeling Oprah Chase: u go grrl! thx Chase, roflmao...I really needed that today!

This is butterfingers on drugs, any questions? NB: this French woman is speaking French "Oh Merdé!" ...and then the universal worldwide English "What the Fuck" ....obviously she needs an electronic vape, and y I will not ever use butane for any cannabis or other uses...and then there is all that glass in these 'rigs'...if it is glass, I will break it. The Crafty/Mighty is all plastic/metal, but I hammer the shit out of all electronic devices...few can handle my relentless stresses...I haven't broken the plastic on the Crafty, but the internals can't handle the stresses I put on them :0 No enail could ever satisfy my requirements.
https://clips.twitch.tv/CovertDelightfulFalconHassaanChop

 

[zenmasterofzinfandel]

Every one of my posts containing references to d-nail hardware has also been relevant to the liger in some way bro. I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who has mentioned d-nail here. I agree it would be better to have a general drop uptemp thread rather than post all such posts here - but by the same token, drop uptemp torching is no less relevant to the liger than all of the posts about 3rd party carb caps in this thread

Sorry bro, I agree with Chase's comments, I left FC for a few months, came back trying to catch up, see countless threads where herbivore21 & CarolKing are acting like they are mods, saying they aren't, but keep telling ppl how *they* think a thread should go. In fact with respect to keeping OT, herbivore21 has been posting criticism on this thread, and using d-nail as an example of how Ligier would be better served if they followed d-Nails example...which simply shows bias (though herbivore21 has denied it b4) in favor of that[d-nail] favored producer, even as some on this thread do not agree with those opinions...we are subjected to them anyway< I can point to parts of this thread, and more so other threads that- clearly are not following the rules, but 'appear' to be hypocrisy...not here in this thread of course, not permitted by the rules.

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You know I'm a flavor snob! I do keep my hands immaculately clean when doing anything to with with medicating though, since I don't wanna contaminate my meds!

Meh, I have to wear corrective lenses, can't see w/o,extreme myopia...lifelong need to keep my hands clean...I wear face mask on public transit, nitrile gloves, full coverage shades...humans are exceptionally good at spreading germs et al, coughing, sneezing (since I don't use daily disposable lenses)...flavor snobs don't interest me as I need medicine, not getting high. But as far as being critical in general, doubt there are more than a handful of ppl on this planet that have a more critical palate than mine...I just don't go around telling everyone...those that know, they know how relentlessly critical my palate can be...I'm talking those in professions, that taste things for a living[1 a Pulitzer Prize winning restaurant writer]. Demonstrative hubris on my part...could be, but come to lala land & I can prove it to you or any others of supposedly critical palates. I kin trash talk any famous chef in town, or for that matter, anywhere in the world. Been doing that for decades, challening the experts on what oysters taste how, when, where ...there is this Frenchy guy in town, been telling ppl about Mere de terroir with respect to oysters, famous chefs throw in their opinions on Olympia oysters...they don't know shit...mang, it is so easy for me to tell they are talking the talk, but cant' walk the walk when pushed by me. Best Chocolates in the world come from where? No, not there, not there...tried them all(well dozen's at least)

More important for the Terpy tues & future, I think the removal of the term 'fire' and replacing with ...is something that Chase could use to move forward the state of the times as far a reviewing...which is Chase's thread, not this one. Ah, thanks, just reminded me of some terp talk links I wanted to post in another thread where it is more OT.

 

[invertedisdead]

 

[mrbonsai420]

If it catches on and becomes popular, I can almost guarantee you'll be shooting videos doing it and claiming it's the shit. It's just another step in progression. Try it for yourself instead of waiting and following the flock of sheep that finally catch on. It's just a small addition to an already tedious dab ritual. It really isn't a challenge unless you make it out to be one. Maybe keep butterfingers away?

Vaping skin fat? Bahahaha. You just keep getting better. Skin fat? Maybe there would be a miniscule amount of oil from your fingers to transfer to the outside of the insert. Sure a glove would be great. But certainly not needed. It doesn't effect taste at all. I've touched quartz banger inserts and liger inserts hundreds of times with my fingers. Not ideal sure, but not going to hinder taste. Might just degrade and chas the insert quicker. Also, not really that hard to use a tweezer to drop the insert in. It's like another dab tool on your oil sick pad. Again, just a small addition to a ritual (much like qtipping was).

I think what you're missing are the flavor and effects that come from an Up-Temp Drop Tech dab. Its clear you've never tried it, you're just nitpicking and playing devils advocate...

It does seem a little tedious for every dab but I have been doing this tek every morning, in fact you can find an old post about me putting a dab in the Liger cold and turning the enail on every morning to this day! I don't do it after the enail is hot because of the slight pain in the butt and I take A LOT of dabs. But hell yeah it's tasty! I would use my Sic or Quartz for this tek as sapphire is expensive and fiagile

 

[Danksta]

It does seem a little tedious for every dab but I have been doing this tek every morning, in fact you can find an old post about me putting a dab in the Liger cold and turning the enail on every morning to this day! I don't do it after the enail is hot because of the slight pain in the butt and I take A LOT of dabs. But hell yeah it's tasty! I would use my Sic or Quartz for this tek as sapphire is expensive and fiagile

What temp are you using?

 

[alittledabwilldoya']

What temp are you using?

I've only tried one, but I used the 20mm, using a SiC insert to drop.
800* on the Hex-Nail and hit a +50* glob-mode for 30 seconds.
Was okay, tasted good, two draws; probably not hot enough to begin with.

 

[mrbonsai420]

What temp are you using?

I will crank it to around 750 and keep hitting it from about 450 when it's wispy vapor until the dab is finished, usually around 725 then I dial it back down to my desired temp for dabbing normally. I only do this for my first hit of the sesh. Then just keep it at whatever my normal temp is depending on my insert and product (575-600 with Sapphire, 625-650 for SiC, and 640-670 for quartz)

 

[herbivore21]

I've only tried one, but I used the 20mm, using a SiC insert to drop.
800* on the Hex-Nail and hit a +50* glob-mode for 30 seconds.
Was okay, tasted good, two draws; probably not hot enough to begin with.

Did the same with the liger (30mm) and SiC and frankly, it sucked. The liger inserts are too big and take too long to get to temp and produce any visible vapor. I don't recommend drop uptemp in the ligers.

20mm would be somewhat quicker, but I still doubt that it'd be what I'd consider timely, I'm sure someone will try it eventually!

 

[ensabbahnur]

For some reason the comment about insert size made me think of whoever was asking about telling quartz from sapphire easily. I weighed the 30mm and the sapphire is almost 2x as heavy, 17.6g sapphire vs 9.2g for the quartz, and for completions sake, SIC is 10.7g. The corresponding 20mm insert is roughly 50% for SIC and quartz, I don't have a 20mm sapphire yet but id guess its the same.

Also got a chance to put the tsunami cap through its paces finally. definitely the best cap CCA has.....PERIOD, I'm not saying it beats the Wierdeer Titty/mushroom cap, but its pretty close with a lower draw rate. The mass of the cap and new flat dabber, also their best IMO, is much less then the weight of just the storm cell 3.1 cap alone. The seal on the 30mm is match grade on both of my 30s and all 3 of my 20s....
The machining is much better than any of the other caps I've gotten from them, hurricane, sc 3, sc 3.1 and this.
Possibly my favorite thing however is I looked at the bottom indentation when i first opened it and had my Halo setup at the time, sure enough...fits the dnail Halos like a glove. The placement of the hole is genius also as its blocked by the retaining nut shelf, but the amount of play on the indentation and lack of the V2 caps inner lip allows EXACTLY 100% carb control by sliding it slightly one way or another while you spin.
Im not sure if that was an intentional design inspiration by josh.......but id like to think so as its great.

edit: even though it works really well for the Halos, the dnail V2 is still THE carb cap you want.

 

[Shooby]

I am torn between purchasing a sapphire halo or a Liger and was wondering what the community of FC would recommend for me. I currently use a flat coil on a D-nail slim base with SiC dish and V2 carb cap. I dab at low temps around 500F and I am not about chasing clouds. I am more about health and taste which is why i switch to vaping.

I love the SiC halo set up now but want to improve my vaping experience. And to improve the vaping experience, i can only think of the two ways. Change rigs or change dab surface. I am extremely happy with my Leisure Glass Baby Jesus incycler as this pulls really easy, provides good size bubbles for great taste. So changing the nail to Sapphire halo which is about $300 should improve my taste. But the Liger with SiC and Cap is about $300 too and so many say that this banger increases flavor and taste.

If i go Liger, I would assume i need the Flat coil 3.0 Liger but if the 20mm works better, i can always get a new coil but I am hoping on some suggestion for this.

As for the carb cap, i see a lot of people liking the different CCA caps. What are the differences between them? They really dont state much on the site. I see above that Ensabbahner says he likes the Tsunami cap. Also, should i get the traditional set or master set? anything in master set that is really useful? I typically use quartz or glass dabbers anyway. Or do you recommend another type of cap?

As for inserts, i really dont have a choice as CCA is out of the Quartz. So SiC it is until I can get some one to surprise me for xmas.

Or screw the Liger and get the Sapphire Halo? I know I am also comparing a sapphire insert to a SiC insert which may not be comparable but i do not know.

Sorry for the many questions but ive been on the fence about this purchase for a while and want to make sure i make the best decision knowing all i can. Thanks in Advance!

 

[invertedisdead]

Sapphire halo is on sale for $240 right now

 

[Danksta]

I am torn between purchasing a sapphire halo or a Liger and was wondering what the community of FC would recommend for me. I currently use a flat coil on a D-nail slim base with SiC dish and V2 carb cap. I dab at low temps around 500F and I am not about chasing clouds. I am more about health and taste which is why i switch to vaping.

I love the SiC halo set up now but want to improve my vaping experience. And to improve the vaping experience, i can only think of the two ways. Change rigs or change dab surface. I am extremely happy with my Leisure Glass Baby Jesus incycler as this pulls really easy, provides good size bubbles for great taste. So changing the nail to Sapphire halo which is about $300 should improve my taste. But the Liger with SiC and Cap is about $300 too and so many say that this banger increases flavor and taste.

If i go Liger, I would assume i need the Flat coil 3.0 Liger but if the 20mm works better, i can always get a new coil but I am hoping on some suggestion for this.

As for the carb cap, i see a lot of people liking the different CCA caps. What are the differences between them? They really dont state much on the site. I see above that Ensabbahner says he likes the Tsunami cap. Also, should i get the traditional set or master set? anything in master set that is really useful? I typically use quartz or glass dabbers anyway. Or do you recommend another type of cap?

As for inserts, i really dont have a choice as CCA is out of the Quartz. So SiC it is until I can get some one to surprise me for xmas.

Or screw the Liger and get the Sapphire Halo? I know I am also comparing a sapphire insert to a SiC insert which may not be comparable but i do not know.

Sorry for the many questions but ive been on the fence about this purchase for a while and want to make sure i make the best decision knowing all i can. Thanks in Advance!

I'd personally go for the Liger. It will add variety to your experience without investing in a new rig. Using a banger style enail is a lot of fun. I'm torn which size to recommend as I like both for different reasons. The 20mm is probably the most user friendly and works with the most caps. Not as top heavy on the rig too.

But if you're just trying to improve taste for the least $, go for the Halo sapphire upgrade.

Either way you will be improving your lifestyle.

 

[Marihuana]

It's time...
(this is before an RGB opal coin got fused to the side, mind you)

 

[invertedisdead]

opal luv

 

[Brodak]

I just picked up one. 20mm is your best bet, I didn't get that one though. For some unknown reasoning I convinced myself of buying the 16mm.

What I have learned about heating up the 16mm:

I turn on my set
Crank it to 900
Walk away and do other things
Come back 5/10/15 mins later
Should be nice and warm
Drop it to 640-650 on quartz insert
Wait a min while the temp stabilizes
Drop it on and it tastes right
Now, I do believe you have to know that different textures of concentrates can require different temps.

I'm working on some live sauciness currently.

 

[ensabbahnur]

It's time...
(this is before an RGB opal coin got fused to the side, mind you)

so much want gonna have to hit him up, how much was it if i may ask?

I just picked up one. 20mm is your best bet, I didn't get that one though. For some unknown reasoning I convinced myself of buying the 16mm.

What I have learned about heating up the 16mm:

I turn on my set
Crank it to 900
Walk away and do other things
Come back 5/10/15 mins later
Should be nice and warm
Drop it to 640-650 on quartz insert
Wait a min while the temp stabilizes
Drop it on and it tastes right
Now, I do believe you have to know that different textures of concentrates can require different temps.

I'm working on some live sauciness currently.

Are you doing uptemp drops? if not, then I'm not sure at all why you wouldn't just set your nail to 640, with the dish in it, wait 5 mins, and dab face.

I am torn between purchasing a sapphire halo or a Liger and was wondering what the community of FC would recommend for me. I currently use a flat coil on a D-nail slim base with SiC dish and V2 carb cap. I dab at low temps around 500F and I am not about chasing clouds. I am more about health and taste which is why i switch to vaping.

I love the SiC halo set up now but want to improve my vaping experience. And to improve the vaping experience, i can only think of the two ways. Change rigs or change dab surface. I am extremely happy with my Leisure Glass Baby Jesus incycler as this pulls really easy, provides good size bubbles for great taste. So changing the nail to Sapphire halo which is about $300 should improve my taste. But the Liger with SiC and Cap is about $300 too and so many say that this banger increases flavor and taste.

If i go Liger, I would assume i need the Flat coil 3.0 Liger but if the 20mm works better, i can always get a new coil but I am hoping on some suggestion for this.

As for the carb cap, i see a lot of people liking the different CCA caps. What are the differences between them? They really dont state much on the site. I see above that Ensabbahner says he likes the Tsunami cap. Also, should i get the traditional set or master set? anything in master set that is really useful? I typically use quartz or glass dabbers anyway. Or do you recommend another type of cap?

As for inserts, i really dont have a choice as CCA is out of the Quartz. So SiC it is until I can get some one to surprise me for xmas.

Or screw the Liger and get the Sapphire Halo? I know I am also comparing a sapphire insert to a SiC insert which may not be comparable but i do not know.

Sorry for the many questions but ive been on the fence about this purchase for a while and want to make sure i make the best decision knowing all i can. Thanks in Advance!

The saph Halo is amazing, absolutely does taste better than SIC (not saying 2.4x better though) and right now is a "good" price, but comes with it the fragility, having less options to clean it like never being able to torch it like a sic or even quartz and the fact its a porous sintered sapphire and it literally soaks in certain materials that you have to do a hot coil session to remove.

IMO SIC Liger vs SIC halo the Liger does have better flavors but the Halo just produces so much more volume and consistency. The other elephant in the Ligers room is the caps....the V2 is just better than anything else I've used for either of the Ligers, the Wierdeer and the Tsunami are very good and the Gordo Riptide gives incredibly consistency at the cost of volume.....but the dnail V2 setup just outperforms them all, with the caveat you do not have to preheat the other caps to get them to work the best and the V2 you really do.

Right now, if it was me, having tried all of your options, Id hold off on anything until Obsidian ships and a few people can give some feedback on it but if you had to do something now id still lean towards a Liger setup as you'll get a lot more of a different experience and different side of your materials for your money with a whole new nail form factor and design implementation rather than just a dab surface material change. I can't say the small jump in taste and "purity" from the saph Halo justifies the cost unless you really want the bleeding edge and for the same money you get way more kit from CCA......and then there is "the ceramic designed for vaporization" in the Obsidian, which is still pricey but I'm assuming will still have roughly the same durability and ease of cleaning as SIC and if the claims are believed it may close the volume and consistency gap on the Halos.

 

[Marihuana]

Ran me $200. Should be getting it Friday or Saturday, super stoked.

 

[Brodak]

I did try to set my enail on 640/650 for 5 mins and then dab. Problem I encountered is that there seems to be an initial period where it is taking way longer than 5 mins to get up to temp.

After the first one, I just leave the heat on 640 and it works well the next time I come back for more. It is just that initial warm up that takes a while.

 

[Marihuana]

I'm in love. This thing's function blows 'ol Chad out of the water.