Ghost MV-1 Speculation and Shipping Thread

[KeroZen]

There is no device that let's me vape flower efficiently enough that 2-3 draws in 1-2 minutes in 15 second intervals is enough.

Again a bold claim, this thread if full of them. May I ask you if you really tested *all* devices on the market before coming to that conclusion?

I get that on-demand convection might still be something new for many of our members, but please stop telling that the Ghost is the first to do X or Y when we keep showing you that there is a lot of prior art for all the bullet points on its feature list.

 

[DopeyJ]

Again a bold claim, this thread if full of them. May I ask you if you really tested *all* devices on the market before coming to that conclusion?

I get that on-demand convection might still be something new for many of our members, but please stop telling that the Ghost is the first to do X or Y when we keep showing you that there is a lot of prior art for all the bullet points on its feature list.

Can I ask what you would recommend for my situation then? A device that is on demand, pure or near-pure convection, medical quality in build and features, can handle herb and concentrates, is portable, has removable battery, and is more efficient than the Arizer Air, because that's been my daily driver since release, and the Solo before that.

For me, it's about maximum extraction, flavor (flavor = terpenes, and terpenes are key for the medical benefits), and speed to achieve symptom relief.

I'd like to be able to vape 0.075-0.1g of flower, then immediately after, have the ability to vape 0.025-0.05g of concentrate, if needed, both from the same device and in such a way I can dose in as few draws as possible. I can't be taking 20 minutes to dose multiple times a day, and edibles have proven 100% ineffective at doses in the hundreds of milligrams (Crohn's disease, absorption issues).

Who would do that without being 100% confident in the product they're touting?......Perhaps someone with a big financial stake in all this. Why WOULD Bud offer to do that??? Maybe Ghost is financing the buyback? Don't really know but I know I wouldn't unless I had the opportunity to gain doing it. Thats just me though. Im a suspicious MFer


Dang Jay87 you beat me to the punch!!!!!!

He stated the company is in no way involved with his guarantee. He is offering to buy back any Ghost with his own money from anyone who purchases it through his link (where you also get a free (first 1k) quick charger, or half off (2nd 1k)) and is dissatisfied for *any* reason whatsoever.

He is so confident in this product that he is putting his own cash and reputation on the line for its release. If this product fails, his reputation is ruined and his review business is over.

As a self-employed individual, I'll tell you there is no way in hell I'm putting my industry reputation on the line if I wasn't 100% confident in the outcome.

 

[bryancross]

I'm with DopeyJ, the features are honestly just what I need personally. Sure, i'll wait a bit to see what people say at first. I don't have tons of cash, I will likely only have one vape.

I'm cautiously very optimistic, I realize it may not work at all like it's advertised. But it has my full attention at least until proven otherwise.

 

[SpudBob]

He stated the company is in no way involved with his guarantee. He is offering to buy back any Ghost with his own money from anyone who purchases it through his link (where you also get a free (first 1k) quick charger, or half off (2nd 1k)) and is dissatisfied for *any* reason whatsoever.

He is so confident in this product that he is putting his own cash and reputation on the line for its release. If this product fails, his reputation is ruined and his review business is over.

As a self-employed individual, I'll tell you there is no way in hell I'm putting my industry reputation on the line if I wasn't 100% confident in the outcome.

He also stated, just a few months back, that the Mighty, DaVinci IQ and Pax3 were all rated at 95/100 top tier. Now he rates the Pax at 84 and the DaVinci at 86, but leaves the Mighty at 94. Maybe he has an arraignment with S&B! WTF???

 

[DopeyJ]

He also stated, just a few months back, that the Mighty, DaVinci IQ and Pax3 were all rated at 95/100 top tier. Now he rates the Pax at 84 and the DaVinci at 86, but leaves the Mighty at 94. Maybe he has an arraignment with S&B! WTF???

S&B make good products. I'm still using a Volcano Digit from its release.

The functionality of a vaporizer can degrade or show flaws not immediately apparent over time. I've experienced this with the iolite, ascent, mflb, numerous other devices and attachments, even the volcano has its drawbacks that weren't obvious right away. Is it possible that the units he reviewed began showing their flaws some time after his initial reviews?

This is a risk with the Ghost as well, but since he's been working with the company, and is experienced with over 200 devices, I'm fairly sure he'd be on the lookout for that sort of stuff.

I think all this negativity is because of how many products that have been released that people got burned on, combined with the fact Bud is really talking a storm about this thing.

Nobody wants to get burned on another new device promising the world. But hey, a device that promises the world and actually delivers will eventually drop. What if this is it?

 

[SpudBob]

S&B make good products. I'm still using a Volcano Digit from its release.

The functionality of a vaporizer can degrade or show flaws not immediately apparent over time. I've experienced this with the iolite, ascent, mflb, numerous other devices and attachments, even the volcano has its drawbacks that weren't obvious right away. Is it possible that the units he reviewed began showing their flaws some time after his initial reviews?

This is a risk with the Ghost as well, but since he's been working with the company, and is experienced with over 200 devices, I'm fairly sure he'd be on the lookout for that sort of stuff.

I think all this negativity is because of how many products that have been released that people got burned on, combined with the fact Bud is really talking a storm about this thing.

Nobody wants to get burned on another new device promising the world. But hey, a device that promises the world and actually delivers will eventually drop. What if this is it?

Like I stated before, if this vape is the ONE i will interested in it but not till it has a proven track record.

 

[DopeyJ]

Like I stated before, if this vape is the ONE i will interested in it but not till it has a proven track record.

=P understood. And I'll be giving my review here once I get my unit.

With Bud's guarantee, at worst, my 3 bills will be held in limbo for a bit if the device is shit and I'll stick with the Air for now. If not, I'll be a happy camper.

 

[SpudBob]

I hope the Ghost turns out to be all that Bud thinks it is. We'll have to wait till someone, other than a stockholder, puts it through its paces. Thats all I'm saying. Bud has a vested interest in the device. He has not hidden this fact. The more they sell the more he makes. Simple. Get some units out to less connected sources, which they should have already done, and let the vapes fall where they may! Thats all I'm sayin!

 

[DopeyJ]

I hope the Ghost turns out to be all that Bud thinks it is. We'll have to wait till someone, other than a stockholder, puts it through its paces. Thats all I'm saying. Bud has a vested interest in the device. He has not hidden this fact. The more they sell the more he makes. Simple. Get some units out to less connected sources, which they should have already done, and let the vapes fall where they may! Thats all I'm sayin!

For sure, and your logic is reasonable. I'm developing a YouTube channel aimed primarily for Illinois medical card holders. I'm going to be reviewing various products from our different cultivators as I can afford, get some information out there for the people new to our world, and I'd like for everything to be ready to go to premier with a Ghost review, but we'll see if I can make that happen.

Doctor is tapering me off many years of xanax use for anxiety with panic now that I've got my card, and these withdrawals are making just life very difficult, much less working on all the assets lol.

But yeah, I'll be going over the device with a fine toothed comb. Been vaping since the early days of lighters and light bulbs =P I haven't been able to afford anything big since the Air launched besides an electric oil rig, so I don't have much experience with the 2017 generation of units, but I know what to look out for. I'd pop it open to inspect the board, but I think I'm going to keep my warranty intact with this one. =P

 

[bryancross]

Doctor is tapering me off many years of xanax use for anxiety with panic now that I've got my card, and these withdrawals are making just life very difficult, much less working on all the assets lol.

Try CBD, doing the same with valium right now.

 

[DopeyJ]

Yeah, only helps so much, though. I've been taking xanax 2-4mg a day for years, it's gonna be a rough ride. Doctor cut me by 50% right away. The safe plan for long-term use is 10% a month. Heavy indicas seem to help the most, but with benzo withdrawal, there's nothing to do but endure it while monitoring vitals. With Valium, I know it has a long half life. Are you at risk of seizures? According to my doctor, I'm at growing risk until symptoms peak, probably another week or so. Then it's just seeing how long that plateau lasts before reducing again and doing it over...

='(

That's one reason I have such high hopes for the Ghost. If it delivers on its promise, it may help where my other devices fail. On the go, the Air doesn't cut it, and at home, the Volcano isn't efficient enough for solo use (I've always felt it more a group device, unless you have the reduction chamber, which I don't =P) And I can't exactly carry my e-rig with me haha!

I really hope the Ghost will perform to qualify as a true, medical grade vapor delivery device.

Been waiting too long for a major jump. I mean, the Solo II is top tier, right? But if you have an Air or Solo, is it really all that much better? And the Solo has been around for how long?

Shit, I mean I dropped my Air in the tub one day. Quickly removed the battery and disassembled the whole unit. Washed every square inch with iso, dried, put it back together, and works just as good as the day I bought it. That's craftsmanship.

 

[lwien]

This device has the potential to be a godsend. And if it's not, Bud is offering a 3 day, personal, buyback guarantee. Meaning, if unsatisfied for ANY reason, he will personally buy it back, with his OWN money, and with no help or connection to the company.

Who would do that without being 100% confident in the product they're touting?

POTV has a 14 day guarantee that states the exact same thing but they do it for EVERY vape that they sell. It's all about the risk/reward ratio. Does Bud and POTV along with their manufacturers have to be 100% confident in the products that they sell to make that viable? Not at all, but the confidence has to be high enough to tip the scales into the reward column.

As far as Bud goes, I've always had a problem with ANY reviewer who accepts monies from the manufactures of the products that they are reviewing. It's kinda like the fox guarding the henhouse. In this instance particularly, Bud should be thought of, not as a reviewer but rather as a salesman pitching their product.

 

[SpudBob]

Its called a conflict of interest! Thats the position Bud may have put himself in

 

[DopeyJ]

You guys might be right. I agree, some conflict of interest exists. But there's another side to the coin here.

Think about if you were in his position, and had the experience with the over 200 devices he owns, and you're given the opportunity to work with a company and their engineers to produce a design and product that solves or improves many of the issues other units have, wouldn't you take it?

I would! I'd be like "hell yes, pay me to help you develop a product. Let's get a vaporizer worthy of being an evolution"

I'm not saying the Ghost is an evolution over current *technology*, but it certainly makes some interesting design choices, and knowing what I know as a maker with experience in this area myself, the right design *with the proper tolerances* can achieve what's being claimed.

Looking at the airflow schematic, cold air enters the vape and passes, in order: the heat sink, the crucible, and the winding tunnel heated by proximity to the coil. At each of these spots, the cold air picks up some of the heat in each element. So 3 pre-heat stages prior to actually reaching the heating coil.

The schematic also shows the air entering the heater chamber at an angle to the center, being drawn up by the holes in the center of the SS mesh above the heater. I'm guessing the larger "holes" we see in the video surrounding that mesh actually have some glass covering so that airflow is drawn into the coil, and it appears like it may increase air pressure in the chamber since it seems there's a greater volume of space for the air to flow through prior to that mesh. This may be how they're able to super quickly heat the air with an exposed coil (at least it looks exposed to me, I couldn't see any ceramic, but I'll look again)

Skepticism is good, but you've got an engineer here that's going to buy it the minute it's available and provide a detailed report for the community here. Give it a chance before dismissing the device.

 

[SpudBob]

Im not blaming Bud,at all, for doing what he's doing. I would probably too. I just hope his enthusiasm, which he has had in the past for other vapes that are now considered a lot less desirable, isn't clouded by the fact that he stands to profit from it. Thats all! I hope its all he is saying it is.

 

[YungLeaner]

You guys might be right. I agree, some conflict of interest exists. But there's another side to the coin here.

Think about if you were in his position, and had the experience with the over 200 devices he owns, and you're given the opportunity to work with a company and their engineers to produce a design and product that solves or improves many of the issues other units have, wouldn't you take it?

I would! I'd be like "hell yes, pay me to help you develop a product. Let's get a vaporizer worthy of being an evolution"

I'm not saying the Ghost is an evolution over current *technology*, but it certainly makes some interesting design choices, and knowing what I know as a maker with experience in this area myself, the right design *with the proper tolerances* can achieve what's being claimed.

Looking at the airflow schematic, cold air enters the vape and passes, in order: the heat sink, the crucible, and the winding tunnel heated by proximity to the coil. At each of these spots, the cold air picks up some of the heat in each element. So 3 pre-heat stages prior to actually reaching the heating coil.

The schematic also shows the air entering the heater chamber at an angle to the center, being drawn up by the holes in the center of the SS mesh above the heater. I'm guessing the larger "holes" we see in the video surrounding that mesh actually have some glass covering so that airflow is drawn into the coil, and it appears like it may increase air pressure in the chamber since it seems there's a greater volume of space for the air to flow through prior to that mesh. This may be how they're able to super quickly heat the air with an exposed coil (at least it looks exposed to me, I couldn't see any ceramic, but I'll look again)

Skepticism is good, but you've got an engineer here that's going to buy it the minute it's available and provide a detailed report for the community here. Give it a chance before dismissing the device.

I think it's awesome that he's making money from this company and helping with R&D. I'd leap at he opportunity as would most here.
However it's absurd to say that it doesn't present a conflict of interest and cloud the objectivity of his reviews for people interested in buying the vape.

 

[DopeyJ]

I think it's awesome that he's making money from this company and helping with R&D. I'd leap at he opportunity as would most here.
However it's absurd to say that it doesn't present a conflict of interest and cloud the objectivity of his reviews for people interested in buying the vape.

True, I'd be biased about any product I made (and I am, haha!). I'll give you that one.

But he does show the device in operation in his videos, and it does seem to perform as promised by appearances.

I'd be more worried about the factory putting these together taking short cuts. This has happened with a bunch of vapes. I went through 3 Ascents before getting a working model at launch. Unfortunately, it still underperformed, but factory dishonesty happens.

I hope it doesn't, because with how negative everyone feels about its potential, if there's ANY problem, even if it's the fault of a dishonest factory owner and the device would have otherwise performed as expected, it's going to destroy VC and the manufacturer. And that wouldn't be fair when, for Bud at least, he has a lot at stake.

Consider if the device is a failure, and all 2000 of his referrals sell back their units. That's going to cost him $600,000 of his own money, no help from the manufacturer.

If he resells those "used" at a discount, say $250, and sells each one, he's STILL out $100,000.

He is not a millionaire. And he can't run from 2,000 people throwing lawsuits at him (would probably be class action or something, but still)

 

[HD Springer]

It's hard to be believable when your playing both sides of the fence. Your either a reviewer with consumers at interest or your a company man trying to get the public to try your product. It's almost impossible to go back to being on the consumers side once you've crossed that fence so to speak. At least in the publics eyes.

The Ghost almost has to be a homerun in order for it not to feel like a let down of some sort. If you look at all the different vaporizers on the market now and say that this one will be the very best at flower and concentrates then it has huge shoes to fill(maybe not in the concentrate category). Because there are some damn good vaporizers out now. Hopefully it will be better then everything out now.

I for one will not buy anymore electric vaporizers that don't have user replaceable standard sized batteries. The Ghost fails in this department from the get go. Just ask ff how hard it is to design a battery that can compete with a 18650 battery. It's damn near impossible. IMO.

 

[DopeyJ]

There is a special chip for power regulation inside those packs that optimizes their output. A single charge can achieve over one hundred 15 second draws at all temps.

I'm guessing the chip was placed in the battery packs and not the device itself because it is likely fine tuned to the specific properties of the 18650's married in the pack.

For someone that carries 8x 18650 batteries around with him out of necessity (yes, I vape a LOT through my Air) only needing two is much preferred. And yeah, I'm definitely buying a second battery. I'm all about redundancy when it comes to my ability to medicate.

 

[invertedisdead]

Think about if you were in his position, and had the experience with the over 200 devices he owns, and you're given the opportunity to work with a company and their engineers to produce a design and product that solves or improves many of the issues other units have, wouldn't you take it?

I don't get the impression Bud was allowed to really contribute to the design of this vape. It looks like he was approached by Ghost to be used as a marketing aid, as someone who already has built rapport with the vaporizer community. The reason I say this is, I feel like Bud has too much vaporizer experience to let some of the more obvious flaws of this unit sneak by. I can't really picture him approving the clunky 5 piece mouthpiece design, or swappable crucible with no locking lid, or the weird LED button system after using all of these other devices.

I mean, a swappable crucible with no locking lid is about as big as an oversight as it gets. It doesn't even make sense. No competent designer in their right mind would have made this design decision. Do you realize how many custom parts had to be designed just to accommodate the swappable crucible that doesn't even function in a practical manner? Why swap the bowl at all when you could just take the stainless lid off? This is going to be glaringly apparent to the Vape Critic, with all his experience with S&B dosing capsules, Arizer stems, Haze herb cans, etc. And look at how a modern vaporizer displays information - the iQ, the Mighty, the Solo 2. We're going into 2018 and this vape still uses flashing lights to show your battery level. My $25 e-cigarette mod has real time voltage controlled battery level feedback.

 

[SpudBob]

This is the first time, that we know Of and thats very important, that Bud has divulged his relationship with a company being financial. That is except for the return he may or may not get from linking customers and distributors together. Im pretty sure ,IMO ,that he gets kickback from VaporNation and any other companies he provides links from his website and he has made reference to this before so this next step should be NO surprise. He has a sellable attribute! People, including myself, have trusted his judgement enough to shell out thousands to get what we thought was the Shiz. Turns out, sometimes anyway, his opinion changes. I made reference in an earlier post about his rating system. Yes I know he has changed his system, but that still doesn't explain the changes in Pax3 and DaVinci IQ ratings. He rated, in my recollection ,Mighty/Crafty; Pax3 and DaVinci IQ all top tier 95/100 rating. Now Mighty/Crafty are 94/93 respectively and Pax/DaVinci 84/86 respectively. IMO if he's going to down grade the later two he should also to the former two. He needs to be consistent and in this regard I believe he has not. I said before, maybe, he has a relationship with Storz and Bickel. Anyway....

 

[lwien]

Im pretty sure ,IMO ,that he gets kickback from VaporNation and any other companies he provides links from his website and he has made reference to this before so this next step should be NO surprise.

maybe, he has a relationship with Storz and Bickel. Anyway....

Vapornation may pay him more to give a more positive review to those products that are more profitable for Vaporization to sell.

I don't know if this is a fact with Bud but I do know that it is a common practice and is the primary reason why I take his reviews with a very large grain of salt.

 

[bryancross]

With Valium, I know it has a long half life. Are you at risk of seizures?

I've been on / off it (for the most part on) since I was 18, i'm 37 now. I moved and I lost my Dr. and in the waiting process to find another one, i'm kinda just tappering off. I don't have anyone monitoring me, quite honestly i've been on it for so long I can feel when my body is under stress because i've been away from it. Before I had quit taking it daily I had a blood test that showed a big decrease in white blood cells, probably because of it.

In a quest to get totally healthy, I want to stop smoking herb and move to vaping entirely. I don't smoke a lot at once, or else it can sometimes mean the difference between feeling really good and kinda bad. I was gonna invest in the FF2, it seemed to be what I wanted but we all know how that fell short of peoples expectations. Then I was gonna get a solo 2, even though a session vape wasn't really what I wanted. Now the ghost mv1 is coming out and i'll at least wait to see if it performs even close to as advertised. If it does i'll snatch it up...

 

[DopeyJ]

I've been on / off it (for the most part on) since I was 18, i'm 37 now. I moved and I lost my Dr. and in the waiting process to find another one, i'm kinda just tappering off. I don't have anyone monitoring me, quite honestly i've been on it for so long I can feel when my body is under stress because i've been away from it. Before I had quit taking it daily I had a blood test that showed a big decrease in white blood cells, probably because of it.

In a quest to get totally healthy, I want to stop smoking herb and move to vaping entirely. I don't smoke a lot at once, or else it can sometimes mean the difference between feeling really good and kinda bad. I was gonna invest in the FF2, it seemed to be what I wanted but we all know how that fell short of peoples expectations. Then I was gonna get a solo 2, even though a session vape wasn't really what I wanted. Now the ghost mv1 is coming out and i'll at least wait to see if it performs even close to as advertised. If it does i'll snatch it up...

If you can go pure vapor, you'll never regret it. I did 9 years ago, and my lungs have been all the better since. I even hate the "smoke high" now so much, I'll pass on it whenever offered. Vapor is just much cleaner, lasts longer, it's wonderful.

 

[skyvaper]

Personally my experience with using the liquid pad or a screen has made the whole locking lid feature not matter to me at all. I dont care to carry a bunch of crucibles either just a container with back up is fine.