Crackdown on Legalized Marijuana

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16 people indicted in massive home-grown marijuana operation across Denver area

CENTENNIAL — Sixteen people have been indicted on charges they ran a massive home-grown marijuana operation across the Denver metro area that produced hundreds of pounds of pot each month for distribution across the country.

Authorities say over about three years, the ring used houses and properties in places like Colorado Springs, Castle Rock, Elbert County and Denver, to cultivate the cannabis and then make high-dollar deals to sell it in Illinois, Arkansas, Minnesota and Missouri.

An investigation into the ring launched in August, the indictment shows, after investigators searched an Elizabeth property owned by 53-year-old Michael Stonehouse. There they found more than 2,500 pounds of marijuana, which officials estimate was worth about $5 million.

“In a nutshell, this was about home-grown, local folks growing and exporting marijuana (for sale) out of the state of Colorado,” 18th Judicial District Attorney George Brauchler said at a news conference Friday afternoon. “This operation that was shut down effectively by the indictments and warrants that were issued was generating about 300-plus pounds of finished marijuana each month. These packages that they put together were tracked here, there and everywhere.”

Brauchler said it is the largest such case he has ever seen.

Local law enforcement — from Colorado Springs to Denver — worked with the Drug Enforcement Administration and federal prosecutors on the case, in which investigators used wire taps, video surveillance, gps trackers and search warrants on more than 20 accounts at more than seven banks.

Authorities over the past year, led by the DEA, have made it a priority to crack down on marijuana being illegally grown in homes for out-of-state sale. Barbra Roach, chief of the DEA’s Denver division, said her office is working on several similar cases that are pending indictments, and the agency has completed numerous illegal marijuana raids across the Front Range and the state’s southeast corner.

“Yes, residents of Colorado, and people that I’ll call ‘transplants to Colorado,’ are moving here (and) becoming involved in the marijuana industry with the expressed purpose of hiding their illicit proceeds and their illicit activities in plain sight under some of the laws that we have,” Roach said. “… We’re seeing ourselves as a larger source of supply than we ever were before.”

Brauchler, whose office is prosecuting the case, said the investigation into the ring reached a head on Thursday when search warrants were served across 19 Front Range locations by more than 200 law enforcement officers. Fifteen of the sixteen people indicted have been taken into custody. (cont)

This kind of stuff doesn't help our cause, IMO.


Of course, the real reason for all this "terrible, horrendous crime" is because marijuana is federally illegal. If it was legal, then all you have is a bunch of people growing plants.

And there would be no need to move from one state to another, and there would be no need for the violence that Sessions' harps on, and there would be no need for the black market, and there would be no need to put all those people (law enforcement and citizens) in harm's way, and so on ....

Because busting people for growing plants is so much more important than ever fighting the opioids that the pharmaceutical companies produce. You know, the stuff that actually kills people.
 

Vapor_Eyes

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Because busting people for growing plants is so much more important than ever fighting the opioids that the pharmaceutical companies produce. You know, the stuff that actually kills people.
While I couldn't agree more with the overall sentiment, let us not forget that opium comes from a plant, as well as cocaine and many different poisons.

Cannabis should be legal because it is harmless when used responsibly. The fact that it is a plant is besides the point and using it as the basis for an argument could be counter-productive.
 

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Baron23

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Here's the Scoop on a Recently Introduced Marijuana Bill That Would Protect States' Rights

The marijuana industry has been practically unstoppable for the better part of four years.

Since 2012, eight states (along with Washington, D.C.) have legalized recreational, adult-use pot, including residents in four states who voted in favor of doing so in the November 2016 election. In fact, if not for Arizona, which had its adult-use proposition fail in the November elections, marijuana would have had a clean sweep.

Just as impressive, since 1996 -- which is when California became the first state to legalize medical cannabis for compassionate use in select ailments -- 28 states have legalized medical marijuana. Two states (Ohio and Pennsylvania) did so in 2016 entirely through the legislative process.

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Marijuana's momentum can partially be traced to the rapidly changing perception of the drug. A recently conducted survey from the independent Quinnipiac University found that 59% of respondents would like to see pot legalized nationally compared to just 36% of respondents who oppose such legalization. A more robust 93% favored the legalization of medical cannabis compared to just 6% who opposed it.

The other half of the formula is the money behind the marijuana industry. Cannabis research firm ArcView Market Research recently reported that North American legal pot sales totaled $6.9 billion in 2016, up 34% from the previous year. Yet, $46.4 billion in sales last year still came from the black market, implying that the industry has plenty of work -- and opportunity -- ahead.

Capitol Hill is a major impediment
Despite what may have seemed like a near-perfect 2016, the marijuana industry was dealt a blow in August when the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) chose to deny two petitions to reschedule (or de-schedule) cannabis from its current status as Schedule 1. The DEA justified its decision by claiming that there wasn't enough clinical and safety evidence to support a scheduling change, and there wasn't adequate oversight for what's deemed to be a highly addictive and illegal substance with no medical benefits. It'll probably be many years before the DEA considers rescheduling cannabis again.

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A more recent cause for concern came directly from White House press secretary Sean Spicer. Spicer commented last month that the Trump administration wouldn't be as lax on marijuana enforcement as the Obama administration, which had a hands-off approach to pot regulation. Though Trump has strongly supported medical cannabis in the past, and will likely allow states to continue setting their own medical marijuana laws, it's becoming more likely that the federal government could crack down on recreational marijuana at the state level.

This clearly has the industry worried.

This new pot bill would protect states' rights
But a recently introduced bill in Congress could help protect existing consumers and businesses in states that have passed marijuana initiatives or amendments.

On Feb. 7, 2017, Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (D-Ca.) introduced House Bill 975 (link opens PDF), which is more affably known as the "Respect State Marijuana Laws Act of 2017." The bill, which has bipartisan support from seven Democrats and seven Republicans, would seek to protect the rights of states that have chosen to legalize medical and/or recreational pot.

Officially, as written in H.R. 975:

Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the provisions of this subchapter related to marihuana shall not apply to any person acting in compliance with State laws relating to the production, possession, distribution, dispensation, administration, or delivery of marihuana.

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In other words, if H.R. 975 were to pass, the federal government couldn't enforce federal law on consumers and businesses that are operating within their legal rights in medical and recreational marijuana states.

Additionally, H.R. 975 would provide significant clarity when it comes to providing basic banking services to the cannabis industry. Somewhere around half of all pot businesses aren't even receiving banking services, meaning many are forced to deal entirely in cash, which is a major security concern. Because marijuana is illegal, and most banks are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, offering banking services to the marijuana industry could be construed as money laundering.

The timing of this bill is also intriguing given that Rohrabacher and three of his colleagues -- Rep. Don Young (R-Ak.), Rep. Earl Blumenauer (D-Or.), and Rep. Jared Polis (D-Co.) -- formed the Congressional Cannabis Caucus to attempt to facilitate change in Washington that would bridge the currently wide gap between federal law and state laws on marijuana.


Will it work?
The formation of a Cannabis Caucus is a bold move on Capitol Hill that signals just how far the public opinion of marijuana has come in a relatively short period of time. Realistically, though, Rohrabacher's bill is probably dead in the water.

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The legislative branch of the U.S. government is entirely Republican-leaning for the time being, and the polling has demonstrated that just two groups are opposed to cannabis' expansion: seniors and Republicans. Though Gallup's polling has shown that both groups have significantly softened their views toward marijuana over the past decade, it's still unlikely that the current Congress is going to be open to the idea of decriminalizing or rescheduling the drug.

So, what does that mean for marijuana stocks and pot businesses as a whole? Likely more of the same.

If Rohrabacher's bill fails to gain momentum, it'll mean that most marijuana companies will be forced to continue dealing in cash. It also means that pot businesses will be unable to get around U.S. tax code 280E, which disallows businesses that are selling an illegal substance from taking normal tax deductions.

In short, the deck will remain stacked against marijuana stocks and the industry in general. Investors would be wise to keep their dollars safely on the sidelines.
 

CarolKing

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@Baron23 thanks for sharing the above article. It looks like the legal cannabis Bill is a day too late and a dollar short in this political climate.

IMO I think, if anything the (Feds)they will be cracking down on the highways and interstate transportation of cannabis. If there is a major problem and if the states arent doing their job to police the industry I see Sessions closing it down. Thank goodness medical cannabis can't be screwed with. I hope.

Our state depends on the sale of cannabis to help balance our states budget. Trump is talking about taking money away from the states. If he takes our cannabis tax away too that leaves states in a vulnerable position.
 
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Baron23

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@Baron23 thanks for sharing the above article. It looks like the legal cannabis Bill is a day too late and a dollar short in this political climate.

IMO I think, if anything the (Feds)they will be cracking down on the highways and interstate transportation of cannabis. If there is a major problem and if the states arent doing their job to police the industry I like see the Sessions it down. Thank goodness medical cannabis can't be screwed with. I hope.

Our state depends on the sale of cannabis to help balance our states budget. Trump is talking about taking money away from the states. If he takes our cannabis tax away too that leaves states in a vulnerable position.
HI Carol - I think the way to look at this bill is that it was never really thought to pass in this congress. But the fact that there is a Cannabis Caucus in Congress if very heartening. That this caucus is bipartisan, and that they introduced a bill as shot across the bow to the prohibitionists and to establish their agenda, is very positive news.

This, to me, represents an advance of the MJ agenda within our Federal government.

No, this bill is not passing....but when else in the recent history or our country would such a bill even find a sponsor?
 

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Big news day, easy to miss General Buzzkill's at it again:

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Sessions to Toughen Rules on Prosecuting Drug Crimes
By REBECCA R. RUIZ MAY 9, 2017

The policy under consideration would return the department to the era of George W. Bush. In 2003, Attorney General John Ashcroft ordered the nation’s prosecutors to bring the most serious charges possible in the vast majority of cases, with limited exceptions...
 

howie105

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Sessions built his career and presentation on looking like a crime fighter and then he rode into office on the on the tail of a conservative candidate so as AG going down the anti MJ road is almost inevitable. However, the odds of Sessions and the DEA coming through my door are very very slim, so my big concerns remain local policy and policing and that really hasn't changed for a long time. Its not the monsters you can name that will gut you but the minions that come in the night.
 

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To follow up:

Attorney General Orders Tougher Sentences, Rolling Back Obama Policy

By REBECCA R. RUIZMAY 12, 2017

In an eight-paragraph memo to the nation’s prosecutors, Mr. Sessions returned to the guidance of President George W. Bush’s administration by calling for more uniform punishments — including mandatory minimum sentences — and directing prosecutors to pursue the strictest possible charges. Mr. Sessions’s policy, however, is broader than that of the Bush administration, and will be more reliant on the judgments of United States attorneys and assistant attorneys general.
 

seaofgreens

My Mind Is Free
I think the Drug Czar has 0 enforcement or policy making capabilities? So... shutting them down does nothing as far as I know, aside from perhaps a few less anti-drug commercials being put out.

Don't worry, Trump will never intentionally do anything positive for the mj movement.
 

howie105

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So Trump is planning on cutting back on drug enforcement. I wonder how this will impact marijuana prosecution.

It depends on what part of the enforcement field the fed wants to cover and fund. If they want to pump money into other countries friendly military they call the international war on drugs. If they want to throw money at their own military they to do things like high seas surveillance and interdiction. If a decision is to go national they pump it into boarder protection. There is also domestic funding at the local level, where most folks like us get busted. There are billions that go to local law enforcement for equipment, training and even pay. The above are just some of the most obvious programs but all the players use the numbers metric (tons of drugs interdicted and/or offenders processed) to prove success and continues funding. So where and what form of suppression will the current administration fund, I suspect all the above. Will the funding be effective, hasn't worked yet. Will it continue to mess up peoples lives, you bet.
 

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Don't worry, Trump will never intentionally do anything positive for the mj movement.

Don't say never. We just need a Big Marijuana company with deep pockets to buy some real estate. Or his name. :brow:

Analysis on the above:

Unity Was Emerging on Sentencing. Then Came Jeff Sessions.
On Washington

By CARL HULSE MAY 14, 2017

Backers of the sentencing overhaul say that Mr. Sessions, who as a senator from Alabama supported legislation that would have made a second marijuana trafficking conviction a capital crime, is living in the past and is badly misguided.
 
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vaporist4LIFE

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It depends on what part of the enforcement field the fed wants to cover and fund. If they want to pump money into other countries friendly military they call the international war on drugs. If they want to throw money at their own military they to do things like high seas surveillance and interdiction. If a decision is to go national they pump it into boarder protection. There is also domestic funding at the local level, where most folks like us get busted. There are billions that go to local law enforcement for equipment, training and even pay. The above are just some of the most obvious programs but all the players use the numbers metric (tons of drugs interdicted and/or offenders processed) to prove success and continues funding. So where and what form of suppression will the current administration fund, I suspect all the above. Will the funding be effective, hasn't worked yet. Will it continue to mess up peoples lives, you bet.
Something to add to I found very interesting and disturbing ....there are laws out there that give money to law enforcement when they make a cannabis related arrest :o
I love this country but sometimes you have to say WTF
 

Baron23

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Something to add to I found very interesting and disturbing ....there are laws out there that give money to law enforcement when they make a cannabis related arrest :o
I love this country but sometimes you have to say WTF
Its not just cannabis related....asset seizure with the money going to the law enforcement agency is just fucking extortion and theft. The cops in these cases would make the mob ashamed. If you have the money to fight them, you can get your assets back as in many cases the seizure was unfounded and illegal. But if you don't have the dough (especially considering they just took your money), then you are screwed.

Hard to believe these Gestapo tactics are in use in the USA.

Cheers
 

vaporist4LIFE

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When ASSHOLES vote for an orange orangutan it is not surprising at all. Seriously who the fuck would vote for what we ended up with? I love my country, but Americans are some of the most stupid people on Earth.
As always history tells ALOT, we got on that track long ago unfortunately :(
Now I understand why you strap that gas mask on right after waking up ;) :D
 

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When ASSHOLES vote for an orange orangutan it is not surprising at all. Seriously who the fuck would vote for what we ended up with? I love my country, but Americans are some of the most stupid people on Earth.

Please be careful - this thread has already received one moderator warning. We want Trump supporters who happen to be vapists to continue to participate without name-calling.

Jeff Sessions would have locked up a hemp farmer named George Washington.

Candlelight vigils seem more appropriate than fireworks. As @vaporist4LIFE observes, the American ideal we mourn probably died long ago.
 

Baron23

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When ASSHOLES vote for an orange orangutan it is not surprising at all. Seriously who the fuck would vote for what we ended up with? I love my country, but Americans are some of the most stupid people on Earth.

Asset seizure was alive and well...and experienced a bit of a growth surge....throughout the Obama administration. In addition, HIS Justice Dept created or continued rules allowing seized assets to be kept by the seizing law enforcement agency thus creating the worst conflict of interest I'm aware of in our judicial system.

Changes to remove some of the incentive from the cops for taking your assets was begun under Holder a couple of years ago or so but really it was in response to a multi-part, front page, investigative report in The WoPo that really chewed them all a new a-hole.

There was absolutely no need for you to inject your personal political views here.
 
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Adobewan

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Not to continue the derailing, but the people are only as informed as the "news" they watch/hear. News organizations and misinformation lead otherwise smart people and non-assholes to misinformed conclusions.
There was much blame on the Dem side to drive voters across the aisle as well, even here on our beloved FC.

Regarding the crackdown, I hope the fact that states are reaping huge profits, and negative side effects are negligible, that Sessions will not be able to roll back liberties without an enormous push back.
During the last 166 days, 22 hours, and 50 minutes there have been times I've felt that everything has flipped over, like we're trapped in the "the upside down".
 

TastyClouds

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Really sad to see ignorance and likely greed impeding the progress of Cannabis legalization and wasting tax payer dollars in the process. For one asshole to try to over rule the democratically voted will of the people of various states is nothing short of tyrannical. Funny how these people are supposed to be "conservatives" but push for more government intrusion of our lives over a fucking plant.
 

howie105

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Being a politico agnostic I really see the problem with national MJ legalization (many other things too) reaching across party lines. Its going to take leadership willing to step up and fight the fight and neither major party seems willing to take on the task.
 
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