Arizer Solo II

biohacker

Well-Known Member
@bloomin don't feel guilty, and definitely don't go back to lurking...it's info like that which you provided is actually quite valuable IMO.

I'm actually a little surprised that this thread isn't hopping a little more.. IMO Arizer best release this soon before we lose interest. I have a feel that is already starting to happen.

My money is ready to go!
 

bloomin

Well-Known Member
Thanks. Guilt all gone ( up in a vapor cloud! ) :rofl:I'll still lurk, but will try to be more sociable occasionally ! I too thought there would be more anticipation here, maybe the changes in the solo II aren't enough for some? It's got my interest anyway!
 

Sh4dy15

Active Member
Thanks. Guilt all gone ( up in a vapor cloud! ) :rofl:I'll still lurk, but will try to be more sociable occasionally ! I too thought there would be more anticipation here, maybe the changes in the solo II aren't enough for some? It's got my interest anyway!

Been lurking on this thread for a bit too, mostly looking for some information. I think you hit the nail on the head with this comment though. The Solo is honestly one of, if not THE, best vapes I have ever used. However, I have one already and it still works fine. Looking at these images the changes seem minimal, so what is going to make me buy another one? It doesn't seem any more portable, still seems like more of an at home vape (as the Solo I is) so I personally do not know if its worth getting another one.

Obviously people will disagree and will buy it. I am sure its phenomenal but I cant justify it because of how similar it is.

Even in terms of efficiency, I think the Solo might be one of the most efficient vapes ever so I don't see how it will surpass it there either. Kind of tough spot for Arizer.

What I am REALLY hoping for is that a company like Arizer starts to develop a vape similar to the Grasshopper. It would be amazing to have a trustworthy and long standing company like Arizer work on a vape with that level of portability. I am not sure if that will ever happen but I am hoping it will one day.
 

sixtysix

Well-Known Member
The Solo is honestly one of, if not THE, best vapes I have ever used.

Even in terms of efficiency, I think the Solo might be one of the most efficient vapes ever so I don't see how it will surpass it there either. Kind of tough spot for Arizer.

This all day. When I bought my IQ I gave my beat up solo to a friend. I find myself missing the reliability and efficiency every time I use the IQ. The only thing I don't miss is the restricted air flow, but hopefully it's better on this one. Looking forward to hearing more about this.
 

Smokey McVape

Well-Known Member
I spoke to the main guy at Vapefiend UK yesterday and he has been testing the Solo 2 for a week or so. He said that all the improvements have been made to the unit but NOT to air flow. Heat up time is increased, the digital display works as it should and he said the unit feels considerably smaller in the hand. However he said that the draw resistance is identical to the old Solo. I asked how the draw resistance compared to the Arizer Air and he said that the Air had slightly less resistance. Uk release will be week 3-4 in May.
 

biohacker

Well-Known Member
Thanks Smokey, appreciate the feedback you received from vapefiend! This doesn't surprise me, as has already been stated by others here. My experience has been that the Air does have slightly better airflow (and wispier vapour output) than the Solo.

I really dislike the Solo's airflow...I was hoping that the dimples in the oven would really help more, but it sounds just like being able to tilt/sock a stem.

I'm starting to lose my excitement about this one now...I thought that the changes were enough to justify picking one up, and I still might but now i'm in no rush because I know for me in order to enjoy it, it will require a PVHES gong. And then i'm not so sure i'm going to appreciate its diluted vapour.

I feel that Arizer would have been smarter to add improvements to airflow. However, it's been said that the airflow has been getting worse over the years with the precision cut holes in the stems now vs glass blown, for reasons of battery longevity. Bigger holes will increase airflow, but cause a greater power draw stressing the battery.

I really want a GOOD portable vape that replaces the Grasshopper (flakey piece of shit) and there is nothing out there!
 

Smokey McVape

Well-Known Member
I'm starting to lose my excitement about this one now...I thought that the changes were enough to justify picking one up, and I still might but now i'm in no rush because I know for me in order to enjoy it, it will require a PVHES gong. And then i'm not so sure i'm going to appreciate its diluted vapour.

I feel that Arizer would have been smarter to add improvements to airflow. However, it's been said that the airflow has been getting worse over the years with the precision cut holes in the stems now vs glass blown, for reasons of battery longevity. Bigger holes will increase airflow, but cause a greater power draw stressing the battery.

I really want a GOOD portable vape that replaces the Grasshopper (flakey piece of shit) and there is nothing out there!
I agee with you Biohacker. I have decided not to purchase this unit now. Vapefiend stated tha the Da Vinci IQ is a much better unit but I think it is too fiddly for a portable.[/QUOTE]
 

SiDankies

Well-Known Member
Thanks Smokey, appreciate the feedback you received from vapefiend! This doesn't surprise me, as has already been stated by others here. My experience has been that the Air does have slightly better airflow (and wispier vapour output) than the Solo.

I really dislike the Solo's airflow...I was hoping that the dimples in the oven would really help more, but it sounds just like being able to tilt/sock a stem.

I'm starting to lose my excitement about this one now...I thought that the changes were enough to justify picking one up, and I still might but now i'm in no rush because I know for me in order to enjoy it, it will require a PVHES gong. And then i'm not so sure i'm going to appreciate its diluted vapour.

I feel that Arizer would have been smarter to add improvements to airflow. However, it's been said that the airflow has been getting worse over the years with the precision cut holes in the stems now vs glass blown, for reasons of battery longevity. Bigger holes will increase airflow, but cause a greater power draw stressing the battery.

I really want a GOOD portable vape that replaces the Grasshopper (flakey piece of shit) and there is nothing out there!

Huge arizer fan here and I actually have to agree. They messed up on two things here. 1 was not improving the air flow and 2 was going backwards and not having a removable battery. For now I wait for the haze square in hopes it fulfills my needs.

I highly recommend the vapcap. I have had months with mine now and seem to have liked it more and more as time has gone on. I actually pick it up over my air a lot. Its quick and extremely portable.
 

Jimmer144

Sargeant REG
I can say i am glad i didn't wait for this release, i already own and Air and while i do like it a great deal the airflow was always a problem, and in fact my 2014 Solo has much better airflow, maybe i was lucky and got a looser fitting stock stem. I am happy tho i splurged and got the Mighty, which quite frankly has a very strong vape signature, may become my exclusive night time vaporizer. However, I do think the Arizer solo 2 looks to be pretty cool, but i must agree their was not enough improvement, when u got other companies coming out with on demand drawing and replaceable batts.
 

whatitdew

Vapes R Great
I'm so over the replaceable battery. All that swapping is a pain. One big battery pack with a quick recharge (similar to the mighty) is what I want. A swappable larger battery pack would be cool but the single 18650 I'm so over. I'm ok with paying for battery replacements every 18 months or so.
 

Shit Snacks

Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
Isn't the Firewood 4 both on demand and replaceable 18650s?

Milaana, MistVape Touch, Tubo Evic, there are others in various stages as well.

Ofcourse they are not the same class as Solo2, being one-man handcrafts on demand pure convection, but they have kept me more satisfied than the Air and Solo1 (my second vape after Thermovape T1) had left me...

For some reason I am still slightly drawn in here though, for nostalgia? Group use? I'm not even really sure honestly, but don't say VAS :p
 

vapen00b

Many vapes & accessories. Always happy to help
Milaana, MistVape Touch, Tubo Evic, there are others in various stages as well.

Ofcourse they are not the same class as Solo2, being one-man handcrafts on demand pure convection, but they have kept me more satisfied than the Air and Solo1 (my second vape after Thermovape T1) had left me...

For some reason I am still slightly drawn in here though, for nostalgia? Group use? I'm not even really sure honestly, but don't say VAS :p

100% agree mate. There's several great ones out there.
Though I like reading the "news", this one is not for me.
 

biohacker

Well-Known Member
Man if this thread was posted on FC a few years back it would be bustling! Different times indeed, same with the Solo 1 thread. Guess it's just the evolution of vapes and the industry moves so fast with so many new competitors.

I thought it would be released by now! So I guess 4/20 release now makes the most sense? If they miss 4/20, they lost me. Hate hype, and actually surprised that Arizer took this approach this time, compared to the Air release.
 

Fat Freddy

FUCK CANCER TOO !
My guess is that part of the "delay" are internal Arizer disagreements regarding marketing/pricing strategies.

Some are likely arguing to trade on the goodwill value of the Arizer name in terms of introductory pricing (above $200) and others are arguing that Arizer has fallen behind the market curve with the Solo II in terms of vaporizer features and should therefore price the unit accordingly (sub $200).

I would guess the Arizer is financially healthy enough to withstand an extended period of slow sales with this unit until they find the optimal price point. I'd imagine they will introduce a price point above $200 and then offer a substantial 4/20 discount. After that, perhaps they will attempt to leverage the "pure vapor path" of the Arizer II against the lower priced Chinese manufactured models that are currently under scrutiny by consumers regarding the composition and safety of their plastics?

The next 6 months will be an interesting marketing study, I should think!


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Quetzalcoatl

DEADY GUERRERO/DIRT COBAIN/GEORGE KUSH
Thanks. Guilt all gone ( up in a vapor cloud! ) :rofl:I'll still lurk, but will try to be more sociable occasionally ! I too thought there would be more anticipation here, maybe the changes in the solo II aren't enough for some? It's got my interest anyway!
The thing I liked the least about the Solo was the draw. I got used to it, but it's definitely a 180 from other vaporizers I have (LSV is super wide open airflow). That being said I think everyone should have a Solo, even just as a backup backup vaporizer, I love mine that much. The extra battery life is great, actually getting to select temperature is great, faster heatup time is great... but they apparently haven't improved our biggest gripe... Using the PVHES stems kinda thins out the vapor, even at the highest temperature, which is something I don't really like. One thing to keep in mind too though is that at some point a few years ago Arizer changed how they make their glass stems and as a result the business end of the stems became a lot flatter. So much so that some of my stems I have to really tilt to open up the airflow because they'll otherwise sit flat and almost completely cut off the airflow. Some of the older stems I had were much more uneven on the bottom and had a more acceptable airflow through them. Since I already have a Solo and it's the old one that has "actual" power adapter capability, the Solo 2 isn't very appealing to me. Mine's been relegated to "leisure portable vaporizer at home that I sometimes take to a friend's house or lend somebody" duty. Anybody looking to get a Solo would probably do better getting the Solo 2 what with all the updates to it. I don't think a lot of us older heads are going to be springing for it over a different vaporizer.


Huge arizer fan here and I actually have to agree. They messed up on two things here. 1 was not improving the air flow and 2 was going backwards and not having a removable battery. For now I wait for the haze square in hopes it fulfills my needs.

I highly recommend the vapcap. I have had months with mine now and seem to have liked it more and more as time has gone on. I actually pick it up over my air a lot. Its quick and extremely portable.
The connectors for battery packs and replaceable batteries are different and may have required a different kind of circuit board, possibly changing the size of the vaporizer. You're also going to have to deal with people using the wrong batteries and any possible physical damage that can come from that (and possible early mechanical failures because of it), and any possibility of people using knockoff batteries that are severely underrated for the application. It's pretty unlikely to happen but I bet knockoffs have a higher catastrophic failure rate than properly vetted cells that aren't thirds or fourths. Nowadays even the knockoffs aren't too bad for the small amount of amps and watts these devices draw but you won't catch me surprised if people get unlucky with shady batteries.

+1 on the VapCap, that's another vaporizer I think everybody needs to have one of in their arsenal. The reason my Solo is "leisure at home portable" is because of my VapCap. Just so much smaller and stealthier and quicker to heat up. The load is half of the Solo's but I get it much quicker and in less draws... peak plasma levels is what we're after ;)
 

snamuh

ghost
So... With all this talk about draw resistance...
Do you think the solo/air would be better if the stem had a carb? Then the user could decide on the draw resistance and manually produce the vapor they want.
 

Sh4dy15

Active Member
+1 on the VapCap, that's another vaporizer I think everybody needs to have one of in their arsenal. The reason my Solo is "leisure at home portable" is because of my VapCap. Just so much smaller and stealthier and quicker to heat up. The load is half of the Solo's but I get it much quicker and in less draws... peak plasma levels is what we're after ;)

Just picked up that new "M" VapCap. Excited to try it out.

Thinking about picking up one of their dugout cases too.
 

bloomin

Well-Known Member
The thing I liked the least about the Solo was the draw. I got used to it, but it's definitely a 180 from other vaporizers I have (LSV is super wide open airflow). That being said I think everyone should have a Solo, even just as a backup backup vaporizer, I love mine that much. The extra battery life is great, actually getting to select temperature is great, faster heatup time is great... but they apparently haven't improved our biggest gripe... Using the PVHES stems kinda thins out the vapor, even at the highest temperature, which is something I don't really like. One thing to keep in mind too though is that at some point a few years ago Arizer changed how they make their glass stems and as a result the business end of the stems became a lot flatter. So much so that some of my stems I have to really tilt to open up the airflow because they'll otherwise sit flat and almost completely cut off the airflow. Some of the older stems I had were much more uneven on the bottom and had a more acceptable airflow through them. Since I already have a Solo and it's the old one that has "actual" power adapter capability, the Solo 2 isn't very appealing to me. Mine's been relegated to "leisure portable vaporizer at home that I sometimes take to a friend's house or lend somebody" duty. Anybody looking to get a Solo would probably do better getting the Solo 2 what with all the updates to it. I don't think a lot of us older heads are going to be springing for it over a different vaporizer.



The connectors for battery packs and replaceable batteries are different and may have required a different kind of circuit board, possibly changing the size of the vaporizer. You're also going to have to deal with people using the wrong batteries and any possible physical damage that can come from that (and possible early mechanical failures because of it), and any possibility of people using knockoff batteries that are severely underrated for the application. It's pretty unlikely to happen but I bet knockoffs have a higher catastrophic failure rate than properly vetted cells that aren't thirds or fourths. Nowadays even the knockoffs aren't too bad for the small amount of amps and watts these devices draw but you won't catch me surprised if people get unlucky with shady batteries.

+1 on the VapCap, that's another vaporizer I think everybody needs to have one of in their arsenal. The reason my Solo is "leisure at home portable" is because of my VapCap. Just so much smaller and stealthier and quicker to heat up. The load is half of the Solo's but I get it much quicker and in less draws... peak plasma levels is what we're after ;)

I agree. Already the happy owner of 2 'old ones', they may have my interest, but I don't think they'll be getting my pennies !!
 

FabulatorPoeta

Where has the time gone?
+1 on the VapCap, that's another vaporizer I think everybody needs to have one of in their arsenal. The reason my Solo is "leisure at home portable" is because of my VapCap. Just so much smaller and stealthier and quicker to heat up. The load is half of the Solo's but I get it much quicker and in less draws... peak plasma levels is what we're after ;)

Same for me. Since I have a VapCap I am much less inclined to use the Solo.:cry: So I don't think I will go for the 2. From what I have gathered, the 'major' change is quick heating and temperature selection. The overall experience remains identical. The unit that I have is still quite efficient therefore.
 
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kellya86

Herb gardener...
Same for me. Since I have a VapCap I am much less inclined to use the Solo.:cry: So I don't think I will go for the 2. From what I have gathered, the 'major' change is quick heating and temperature selection. The overall experience remains identical. The unit that I have is still quite efficient therefore.

I was like this for a good few months after I got a vapcap, but iv been coming back to the solo more and more lately, for these reasons.....

Just tastes so much better for a start....

I prefer glass, to wood on my lips, @ataxian knows....

I hate cleaning the vapcap, it needs cleaning often, and builds up reclaim very fast...

I'm getting thoroughly pissed off with cheap butane torches, they are not reliable outside in windy, cold Britain...
Nothing worse than wanting to vape, and not being able to heat your load effectively...
It's a waste.....

Even indoors I'm enjoying the relaxing 20 mins sessions, with no lighting inbetween draws...

The other thing is my personal concerns that the vapcap may not be too healthy....
The charring that is all to easy to achieve????
The amount of reclaim produced????
Makes me sceptical.... half smoke????
I know I run it way too close to the edge sometimes....


If there is one thing the solo does, it's stands the test of time.....
The length of the solo thread is testament to that...
 
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