Divine Tribe atty's

[OF]

Here's the original TC40W, Pico and Mini side by each.....time to dig out the camera and take another family snapshot (maybe Pico, Nano and Aster):

Regards to all.

OF

OK friends and neighbors, time to start the New Year out with something nice and simple......

That's the familiar Pico on the left, then the smaller Nano (internal 1100mAh battery) and the Aster on the right. All share the same basic software (although Nano uses four buttons like the TC40W), the same TCR numbers 'cross over' just fine.

It's hard to really appreciate how much smaller Nano is than Pico without holding them both. It's smaller in every dimension, enough so that it sits in a shirt pocket on it's side with the V2.5 on top. IMO well worth considering.

Best wishes for a happy and prosperous New Year for us all.

OF

 

[WKONE]

Y'all got any of them.... leak-proof bottom cups yet?

 

[invertedisdead]

Any thoughts on Evic Basic vs Vtwo Mini? The compact size of the Basic looks great, but with Vtwo I could run a 3000 mah battery for twice the capacity, right?

 

[Haywood]

I have both (the Basic and the original Mini), and you've hit the nail on the head. The Basic is much smaller, but it has a smaller internal non-replaceable battery. The Mini is larger, but takes 18650 batteries. Both have the same (upgradeable) firmware. Both are well built and work well, including superior TC.

Buy both.

 

[invertedisdead]

Thank you! I just may end up with both! Curious which one you reach for most often? I'm leaning towards Evic Basic to start the show cause the form factor looks so sweet, but not sure what to expect regarding battery life; never used a mod before. 1500 mah seems like pretty nice capacity though, compared to say the smallest W9 v4 @ only 900 mah.

 

[PoopMachine]

So what values are people using on the Joytech boxes with the V3 large donurs? Want to see how close my settings are.

 

[Haywood]

I use the Mini at home and the Basic when not. Mostly.

 

[PPN]

The V3 is a very nice device, it taste better than most with great clouds. Still using it on my original settings and donut (I don't dab a lot although... ), TCR 245 and 390°F is the sweet spot for the bigger, smoothier and tastier clouds all together!

 

[invertedisdead]

Thanks all, Evic Basic and DT-V3 on the way. Found the Evic for $29 on myfreedomsmokes and a 15% off new customer discount code online.

 

[arrr]

Had an amazing snowboarding trip on Christmas and the dt v3 made it all that much better. I was able to load and use it anywhere and everywhere basically (not indoors cmon), even on the lift. Pre rolling loads always help. Use gloves to roll em if u need to but for out and about loading, I think it's a must. I usually pick up stable shatter so this isn't a hard/messy task. The shatter in the picture was a bit degraded to a sugary shatter but was still very easy to manage. One of the tips of my tools broke off so now I just stick it in the shatter container to use. This setup paired with gravity makes loading ridiculously easy.

Any advise how you roll them into balls like that? Do you freeze it then try to roll them up?

 

[Steven]

Any advise how you roll them into balls like that? Do you freeze it then try to roll them up?

The best thing to have to make these shatter balls is good stable shatter. Once you got that it's pretty easy. My wax I get always comes flattened in wax paper.

First I warm up the shatter in between my hands a bit while in the wax paper. Second I use the wax paper to fold the flattened wax in half, then in half again, making the flat shatter now into a snake/log of some sort. I then roll the shatter log in the wax paper as if rolling a joint to make it a perfect round log to my desired thickness. Once in perfect log form I use my tools to just break off a bb size piece and roll it with my hands. Some people frown upon touching wax. I can care less. Sometimes I keep it in log form and break off as I go.

 

[Steven]

Any advise how you roll them into balls like that? Do you freeze it then try to roll them up?

I prep all my shatter to this point at the minimum. If I'm diligent I make pre rolled balls from here. Also, you can get to this point without ever touching the wax. This is a half gram.

 

[arrr]

Thanks @Steven I am going to start doing this. I am enjoying the dtv3 but I feel I am going thru much more material than with other carts. I tend to load more than 1 session but the 2nd session never works out and I need to load more. I am going to try to take apart the dtv3 tonight to see if I have leaking below the cup. This methof will help with smaller loads.

Does anyone think if we used a thin ceramic sheet (made out of the stuff w9 uses for their wicks) it would allow us to load more, reduce leaking, and reduce splatter?

 

[Steven]

@arrr glad to help. I strictly layg in the v3 with those bb sized loads in the other picture. One ball, one hit and the donut is dry at the end of my hit. I haven't really tried to load more so i can't chime in there. I like the fresh terpenes of every fresh hit. If your wax isn't stable enough to roll balls, you can always just get it to that snake form and coil it into a silicon container so breaking off loads will be easier

 

[invertedisdead]

Darth Vader showed up... wanted to post this comparison with an ego battery for those that don't have one of these yet, blown away at how small it really is. Battery is heavier than I expected, but feels solid.

Still trying to figure out this TCR stuff, let me know if something looks way off.
I'm at
TCR 300 M3
420F degrees
15.5 watts
Coil = .58 ohms

Not getting much yet, should I increase wattage?

 

[fernand]

In comments following another report in Medscape that bemoans the use of e-cigarettes, there were some interesting concepts.

First of all, the Experts -- who have been morbidly contemplating their own decline in status and earnings in connection with the ever more severe drop in smoking in the US -- have switched to exposing e-cigarettes as "gateways". To what? Ah, well, to smoking. But the further decrease in smoking, and even a recent trend away from e-cigs among youngsters, is squeezing their position. So the comments show the way to go. Where there's a will, there's a way.

Since it's a long-known fact that marijuana is a gateway, our inquisitors are exposing the use of e-cigs to consume marijuana. This, of course, is devastating our precious children who, as you know, are lured by candy-flavored liquids, and become slaves to drugs, alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, rap, metal, and everything that's evil in between. At which point they cease to be our precious children and become vermin to hunt down. QED.

 

[looney2nz]

Darth Vader showed up... wanted to post this comparison with an ego battery for those that don't have one of these yet, blown away at how small it really is. Battery is heavier than I expected, but feels solid.

Still trying to figure out this TCR stuff, let me know if something looks way off.
I'm at
TCR 300 M3
420F degrees
15.5 watts
Coil = .58 ohms

Not getting much yet, should I increase wattage?

I've run both the large (13mm) donut and the medium (10mm) @280 TCR and 23W with zero problems.

 

[invertedisdead]

I've run both the large (13mm) donut and the medium (10mm) @280 TCR and 23W with zero problems.

Thanks! Im using the 13mm right now, I bumped it up to 20W a bit ago and getting nice results. Also loaded another glob - I think I needed to top it up HA! I think I was feeling a little gun shy with the power control. Gonna go through this thread again and do some studying.

 

[Haywood]

The thing to remember about wattage versus temp settings: The wattage is how fast and how much you heat the coil. The temp settings are to protect you from over heating (burning) your oil or coil.

So if you're not getting a good hit, you have to check if your mod is going into temp protect or not. If it's not, then it's a pretty sure guess that your wattage is too low. If it is quickliy going into temp protection, and the oil is barely melting, and barely turning to vapor, then the temp protection is probably set too low.

When I get a new atty (be it one of the donut based ones we're talking about here or something else), I generally try to figure out what wattage is best first, without turning temp protect mode on. Personally, I seem to recall ~ 12.5 watts for the 2.5/2.7 DT attys and closer to 20 watts for the new 3.0 ones worked for me. (I have not been using the different size donuts, so I'm mostly clueless about that part). Once I figure out what wattage I like for a given atty, I turn on temp protection and set it to start protecting after a few seconds of applied power without taking a hit or blowing on the coil/donut. If it's a coil, I wait a few seconds after it starts glowing and set the temp protection to kick in, with the donut I make sure that it never glows visibly red no matter how long I fire it. Once you start actually using the atty, you'll be drawing off heat by drawing air across the atty, and it won't go into temp protection nearly that quickly.

Once you have temp protection set, you can fool a little with the wattage, turning it up slightly if you want the atty to heat up faster, and turning it down slightly if you want it to heat up more slowly.

YMMV

 

[fernand]

Hi, Haywood! Great explanation! Happy new year!

 

[invertedisdead]

The thing to remember about wattage versus temp settings: The wattage is how fast and how much you heat the coil. The temp settings are to protect you from over heating (burning) your oil or coil.

So if you're not getting a good hit, you have to check if your mod is going into temp protect or not. If it's not, then it's a pretty sure guess that your wattage is too low. If it is quickliy going into temp protection, and the oil is barely melting, and barely turning to vapor, then the temp protection is probably set too low.

When I get a new atty (be it one of the donut based ones we're talking about here or something else), I generally try to figure out what wattage is best first, without turning temp protect mode on. Personally, I seem to recall ~ 12.5 watts for the 2.5/2.7 DT attys and closer to 20 watts for the new 3.0 ones worked for me. (I have not been using the different size donuts, so I'm mostly clueless about that part). Once I figure out what wattage I like for a given atty, I turn on temp protection and set it to start protecting after a few seconds of applied power without taking a hit or blowing on the coil/donut. If it's a coil, I wait a few seconds after it starts glowing and set the temp protection to kick in, with the donut I make sure that it never glows visibly red no matter how long I fire it. Once you start actually using the atty, you'll be drawing off heat by drawing air across the atty, and it won't go into temp protection nearly that quickly.

Once you have temp protection set, you can fool a little with the wattage, turning it up slightly if you want the atty to heat up faster, and turning it down slightly if you want it to heat up more slowly.

YMMV

Excellent thank you! Question - Are your settings high enough that it sort of "cleans" itself after each draw, or is it normal for the donut to turn brown after a few loads?

 

[Haywood]

No, when I want to clean the donut I switch my mod to power mode (turn off temp mode), turn the power up from 12.5 watts to 15 watts, and pulse it trying to keep the donut just barely glowing. That usually does the trick.

 

[OF]

The thing to remember about wattage versus temp settings: The wattage is how fast and how much you heat the coil. The temp settings are to protect you from over heating (burning) your oil or coil.

So if you're not getting a good hit, you have to check if your mod is going into temp protect or not. If it's not, then it's a pretty sure guess that your wattage is too low. If it is quickliy going into temp protection, and the oil is barely melting, and barely turning to vapor, then the temp protection is probably set too low.

YMMV

Awesome summary. More solid, useful wisdom for all from a guy who understands and wants to share......is this a great Forum or what? Just like driving your car. You want enough power to reach speed in a reasonable time, but when you do you want speed developed to control things (temperature in the vape being analogous to speed in the car). Burning rubber and crawling off the line so slow the old drivers honk at you being areas to avoid when driving?

I like to watch (count) the number of 'cycles' (steps) in displayed temperature. I know, roughly, what to expect. When it 'gets there faster' it's because the load is very small. It varies some, of course, but typically I'm 'looking for' six or so steps from cold as a guideline.

Use enough power to reach temperature/make vapor in a few seconds and no more.

And remember, TCR number (m value) and target temperature work with each other. Increasing one is the same as decreasing the other. The results are the same that is. It's easier to change the temperature setting 'on the fly' to find the sweet spot, once found tweak the TCR number so the requested temperature 'makes sense' (that is you get vapor at about 500F/190C?

No, when I want to clean the donut I switch my mod to power mode (turn off temp mode), turn the power up from 12.5 watts to 15 watts, and pulse it trying to keep the donut just barely glowing. That usually does the trick.

More great advice! Those numbers are very close to what I use. The note here says "12.5 Watts, m=245, to use 17W to clean" (with care, you can kill them this way.......PM me if you need special instructions wrecking doughnuts....).

For the big V3s I have "18W, m=170" for vapor, 24W to clean.

Good to have you around, Brother Haywood, as usual you bring experience based wisdom and sound advice. And deliver it well. A solid resource for all of us.

Thank you for that. Any more like you at home?

OF

 

[OF]

I prep all my shatter to this point at the minimum. If I'm diligent I make pre rolled balls from here. Also, you can get to this point without ever touching the wax. This is a half gram.

Interesting technique, thanks for the information. How many balls will that half gram make on average?

TIA for that 'scale' information. I'm guessing about 20?

Any other useful techniques you care to pass on?

OF

 

[Steven]

@OF. You are correct, a half gram will get somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 balls. I can't really think of any other tips I use. I feel I have some to offer but can't realize it in my head. I didn't realize to share the rolling shatter into a log until specifically asked because it's just a normal thing to do for me (I assume others do the same) so didn't see a point in sharing. I can't really think of anything else I do but will share if anything comes to mind. I load my v3 a bit differently but I already shared that technique many times on here and everyone seems to be fine with the painting technique so no need to bother I suppose.