Cheebsy
Microbe minion
This is my recollection too. I haven't heard of a failure since the glass heads. There has been 3 released zirconia product lines iirc (z8, zx, ZXL) since then so plenty of time to find out.
Phase3 Vaporizers
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MennilTossFlykune
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These points are *exactly* why I went with the ZX, too. Reading the thread here to get more info on it since it was so scarce at the time, and then seeing Ryan here discussing, taking input, talking about his vast study of materials and heating processes, the quality of the product all really sold me.
EasyVape
Active Member
Has anyone examined the ZX heater with a USB microscope after a few months of use. I kinda feel like any potential damage/cracks would be hidden behind the heater coil wraps or inside the heater. Like a black hole, all the secrets are hidden in its own shadow.
coolbreeze
Well-Known Member
This should probably all be removed as against the rules but fwiw, the Zirconia was chosen as a material as pure as glass and (almost) as tough as steel. If you have a crown or implant , you've probably been grinding away on zirconia surfaces, abrading, applying force from various directions, etc. Its properties are well-known and medically safe, partly because of the overall durability.
madhockeydad
Art is beauty
Let’s be clear that no material used for vaping has been inspected and formally tested for anything yet we all use them. I have a Z8, ZX, and ZXL. Z8 and ZX used EXCLUSIVELY since their release. Not one issue. Dropped them on a soapstone counter. Banged them on the ceramic cup I use for a heat sink. All good, Now I don’t go throwing it across the room and I do try and pay attention when I put in the cup but I don’t handle it like something fragile.
Since I’ve owned these Zirc vapes I‘ve broken numerous quartz bangers, at least one or two glass pieces, and I can’t even count how many glass bowls and adapters. Zirc has been fine. All my other gear gets broken. Use it hard plus I have neurological conditions - both carpal tunnel and compressed spine in my neck. I may not be the hardest user but I’m in the top 50% and still no signs of a crack.
I agree with a post earlier where a lot of misinformation is used in various ways to influence people’s buying decisions. The vape community is full of pseudo-science and mis-science information. Just read any discussion about heat transfer and if you’ve studied physics you’ll know that none of it is correct (or very little). That’s the issue - there aren’t that many people that understand material science, heat transfer, and fluid flow. Ryan is one that knows a lot about these scientifically not just guessing.
I know enough to be dangerous and to know to form my own opinions and not simply trust Reddit or any of the other forms. Plenty of other companies are releasing products that are simply trial and error - big vape companies and it’s the consumer that is doing their R&D. Not Phase 3. Hope you jump on the wagon.
Z-Tribe Love Maddy
Since I’ve owned these Zirc vapes I‘ve broken numerous quartz bangers, at least one or two glass pieces, and I can’t even count how many glass bowls and adapters. Zirc has been fine. All my other gear gets broken. Use it hard plus I have neurological conditions - both carpal tunnel and compressed spine in my neck. I may not be the hardest user but I’m in the top 50% and still no signs of a crack.
I agree with a post earlier where a lot of misinformation is used in various ways to influence people’s buying decisions. The vape community is full of pseudo-science and mis-science information. Just read any discussion about heat transfer and if you’ve studied physics you’ll know that none of it is correct (or very little). That’s the issue - there aren’t that many people that understand material science, heat transfer, and fluid flow. Ryan is one that knows a lot about these scientifically not just guessing.
I know enough to be dangerous and to know to form my own opinions and not simply trust Reddit or any of the other forms. Plenty of other companies are releasing products that are simply trial and error - big vape companies and it’s the consumer that is doing their R&D. Not Phase 3. Hope you jump on the wagon.
Z-Tribe Love Maddy
pxl_jockey
Just a dude
Proud owner of a Z8, Ryan’s first iteration in ZC so its design is a bit different and it’s older than the ZX. I’ve taken the heater off its coil and had a look inside with a magnifying glass and a jewellers loupe. This was after a year of hardcore using it exclusively, about six months ago. There was some grey marks on the outside from the coil (the Z8 is white) and Barkeeper’s Friend made quick work of those but otherwise it was as pristine as it arrived. Using the loupe, there wasn’t a scratch, hairline crack or micro fissure anywhere on the outside. Using a high-intensity magnifying lamp, I looked inside and saw nothing but smooth white surface. Not surprised at that honestly, since any heat-related damage would begin on the outside where the coil is. Didn’t think about using my USB microscope at the time but honestly don’t think it would have revealed anything more.
So that’s all I can tell you from a factual standpoint about the materials that Phase3 uses. I can’t speak to any other seller’s products or where they sourced their materials and chose the shop that tooled their products. There was one manufacturer who rushed out a ZC device to capitalise on the initial enthusiasm for the Z8, however they did not have Ryan’s R&D knowledge or relationship with a reputable overseas manufacturer. The result was a janky, ugly looking facsimile of the Phase3 product imo and I’m not surprised if there‘s been quality issues with some owners simply because it was such a rushed, reactionary product with very little thought and effort put into it.
I think a lot of concern comes from a misconception some people have about the word “ceramic”, this material has properties unlike any traditional ceramic material one might be familiar with. Some people base their decision making on some vague assumption, like “I dunno dude, I just feel like…” but with no actual evidence or reasoning, and then that same person will do absolutely zero research. Even though they’re holding a supercomputer with easy access to the sum of mankind’s knowledge. But they will put their ignorance out there as fact or even worthy of discussion, all day and night. The internet was meant to make humanity more intelligent through the easy dissemination of information and scientific knowledge but obviously that’s not been the case; as a species, we’re still as apt to be as fucking dumb as we’ve ever been.
EasyVape
Active Member
Thanks for checking. My comment was based on Ryan’s post about the cooling rates of the coil potentially clamping down on the ZX body due to the use of dissimilar materials. The coil/ZX body appears to be the most vulnerable point for potential failure. Additionally, not all dentists use zirconia; while it has the strength of titanium, it lacks the toughness.
LordOfTheVapes
Well-Known Member
Regarding combating disinformation, I think a site update could help too. I feel like the section about zro2 should be front and center along with some video flexing the durability of P3 products 
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madhockeydad
Art is beauty
EXACTLY!! There are none. That’s what some of us have been saying. Zero issues with Phase 3 products. These are not fragile nor have there been defects. Enjoy.
Z-Tribe Maddy
madhockeydad
Art is beauty
I use very small rigs that I also use for dabbing. Buying a cooling j-hook to try as well. On the other hand I’ve seen bigger bubblers used as well.
I’d try the orb. I have a friend that uses a small globe/orb with the ZX. He loves the setup.
hotmeals
Serial vapist
You don't need anything big in my opinion. Small is probably even preferred to preserve flavor. Very small orb sounds good. I've been using mine with basic undimpled j-hooks mostly.
coolbreeze
Well-Known Member
Your orb should be fine. Consider upgrading just for the variety--a wee dab rig will work, recyclers are fantastic with it, and it'll drive big bongs or rigs easily too.
jbm
Well-Known Member
This works very well too, The pass-through is necessary, the joint is too deeply recessed to hold the Z bowl by itself.
pxl_jockey
Just a dude
No problem my man, the task had been done but you made me realise that I didn’t say anything here at the time since my findings were so unremarkable. But if that helps ease someone’s mind about long term durability of their Phase3 products or helps push a potential customer to click on a preorder button, then it’s got some value.
I can believe the coil might tighten on the heater over time, through many cycles of heating and cooling daily. That was something I remember thinking when disassembling it, “Seems a lot tighter than when I put it on“ but it also may be due to stretching the coil out after I fit the heater to the coil. I didn’t say anything about dental uses because I didn’t even know dentists were using ZC, just stating my opinion (based on experience) is that it’s definitely more than tough enough for our purposes.
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Greetings friends,
A bunch of new PHASE3 designs are on order and coming in for evaluation and testing within a week or two -
MAKO2 Advanced 8MM cooling system: for Dyna/Anvil/TA/Tempest/Etc.
20MM Next Gen Hybrid Desktop: conduction heavy but also featuring a massive new high surface area convection heater as well [no beads]
Two new concentrate devices
And a 8MM conduction and hybrid (two designs up for comparison) which is my attempt at creating a new optimized one hitter experience. It borrows on a lot of the ideas behind the Element concept, but has been modified to provide more advanced thermal performance. There's 4+ years worth of ideas wrapped up into this one. Seemingly refined, but definitely some of my most advanced work to date, the idea is to create a truly thermodynamically optimized vaporizer. Faster, denser, more potent, more effective extractions. A vaporizer designed from the ground up to (try to) get you higher by minimizing losses and preserving more of the stony high temp compounds and an ultra fast extraction. Definitely excited to test out all of these new designs and see how they work in practice versus in theory.
ZX/ZXL Shipping Update: I'm back in California but my postal box is closed for today. It looks like the screens were sent to my old address but they should be here within the next few days. Still planning on orders going out this week so far.
ZXXL Update: I believe we are 19 units sold. Could go any way at this point, thanks for everyone who has supported the project!
Cheers all,
Ryan
A bunch of new PHASE3 designs are on order and coming in for evaluation and testing within a week or two -
MAKO2 Advanced 8MM cooling system: for Dyna/Anvil/TA/Tempest/Etc.
20MM Next Gen Hybrid Desktop: conduction heavy but also featuring a massive new high surface area convection heater as well [no beads]
Two new concentrate devices
And a 8MM conduction and hybrid (two designs up for comparison) which is my attempt at creating a new optimized one hitter experience. It borrows on a lot of the ideas behind the Element concept, but has been modified to provide more advanced thermal performance. There's 4+ years worth of ideas wrapped up into this one. Seemingly refined, but definitely some of my most advanced work to date, the idea is to create a truly thermodynamically optimized vaporizer. Faster, denser, more potent, more effective extractions. A vaporizer designed from the ground up to (try to) get you higher by minimizing losses and preserving more of the stony high temp compounds and an ultra fast extraction. Definitely excited to test out all of these new designs and see how they work in practice versus in theory.
ZX/ZXL Shipping Update: I'm back in California but my postal box is closed for today. It looks like the screens were sent to my old address but they should be here within the next few days. Still planning on orders going out this week so far.
ZXXL Update: I believe we are 19 units sold. Could go any way at this point, thanks for everyone who has supported the project!
Cheers all,
Ryan
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This is the most hype post I've ever seen. I'm interested in all 3 of those designs, and my ZX is shipping soon! Unreal. For me the cooling stem is an insta buy. I'm going to pair it with the Tempest. The full conduction one hitter sounds amazing also. I'm beyond intrigued. Can't wait to see them.
jbm
Well-Known Member
I'm interested in the MAKO2 and the concentrate devices. The ZX continues to work really well for me, I'm really not interested in a different size or wireless. I feel bad for @invertedisdead business-wise, but I really am a satisfied customer.
hotmeals
Serial vapist
I can feel it!
letter never sent
reckoner
Very interested in the 8mm cooling stem as well as the 8mm vape idea!
add1noob
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